Actually, I think it's the other way around. FFA causes people to play alone.
And there you have it: two differing (and distinctly opposite) opinions. That's pretty much how all the threads have gone on their forums as well.
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Actually, I think it's the other way around. FFA causes people to play alone.
Also why on earth is their FFA loot? FFA loot is an archaic system for a MP game.
I have to admit, in regards to FFA loot vs. Instanced/other. I have spoken to 10-15 guys on my vent, been playing with these guys for years now, and they all agreed that FFA loot is a terrible idea. I am on the fence even with the 'timer' system, as I feel it is just throwing a band-aid on a deep cut. Why not just have instanced loot, epecially if loot is RNG -- why not RNG to everyone.
I guess it makes more sense to me to have it this way for a loot game that in time will be free2play. I can't imagine the rage that will commence when servers,pub games are being botted buy bot looters and players making tank builds where they never die and still all of the loot.
Currently in a closed beta I can see how FFA loot could work, but once it goes F2P, no way.
FFA loot might be the main reason why their are very few players in public games.
FFA loot adds NOTHING to the game
David Brevik creator of Diablo said:it was a very different game than I would have created, the team and personalities, the people, the talent and all the design philosophies of the people that worked on it in Irvine, we called them Blizzard South, those people have their own style and the their own way they like to design. It was very, very different from the Blizzard North
I am sad because people are outraged and, you know, some of the decision they have made are not the decisions I would make and there have been changes in philosophy and that hasn’t gone over very well.
It’s a shame that they had to learn some of these painful lessons.
Just found this GEM in the Diablo 3 thread:
http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/co...vid-brevik-discusses-his-feelings-on-diablo-3
The creator of the Diablo franchise is disappointed in D3 too. LoL.
Here a are a few quotes from the interview:
I tend to agree but that is just our opinions. There are a lot of people who feel exactly opposite. I just don't play with those people.
The final decision is still up in the air. It may come down to the party leader being able to decide if loot is FFA or instanced - and you'll know what type of group it is before you join. What surprises me though is the FFA people don't like that idea either - they think everyone will create instanced groups instead of FFA. Hello? If that happens it means FFA isn't the most popular mode and they can create their own FFA group.
Feel free to join one of the many threads on the PoE forum about it - there are plenty long heated ones to choose from. We don't need to make the next 20 pages of this thread about that one issue since the devs won't be reading this thread.
About yoru comment on d3 being the far and away better game - at this point I've put more hours into PoE and am still having a lot of fun. Diablo has been deleted from my drive and I don't miss it a bit. There are some things about d3 that are better but overall I grew tired of it's MAJOR loot flaws. Even with FFA in PoE I get much more and much better loot than I ever did in D3.
I've had good luck with loot sharing in PoE as I think the community is better. I don't really care about FFA vs. instanced. People are actively trading in PoE at a much higher rate just becuase it doesn't have a passive AH anyway. There is little draw to loot shit and sell it for 30million gold since everything is barter based. More emphasis on looting items that help your character. Rarely there is that loot whore guy that grabs everything, but you just don't group with those guys and their inventory fills up really quick anyway. If you're already playing with friends, who cares?
I had totally forgotten to include the FFA loot into my long list of PoE dislikes.In short, I like the human element involved in a FFA loot system. I prefer that the players dictate how the game plays out rather than having everything segregated and simplified in the name of keeping everything "fair" and free of potential conflict.
I had totally forgotten to include the FFA loot into my long list of PoE dislikes.
I'm guessing that's because you didn't play much if any PoE multiplayer during your three hour tour.
Point is Diablo 3 is boring as fuck.
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Just because I can use a screwdriver to pound a nail into the wall doesn't mean that I am not inclined to ask for a hammer. D3 has created an easy way to see whether an item is an upgrade or not without having to click around, PoE has not. Simple as that.
Apparently I'm not getting the point either. What exactly are you trying to convince us of?You're apparently not getting the point. WTF does it matter if one company calls it a beta and the other releases it and then they BOTH continue to add, update, patch it on a continual basis? When I paid to play PoE I gave it a 45/100. This is not going to improve just because they add "stuff". They've already lost me as a customer.
But back to PoE, they are using the cover of beta to hide behind but at the same time making it accessible by vitually everyone who wants to pay money. I think this may be the part that burns me most. I don't remember ever having to pay for a beta.
FFA loot adds NOTHING to the game.
I can't think of a single valid argument for it. It's the one thing that D3 really got right. It completely eliminates any issues that could arise from people loot whoring which can happen even amongst friends.
Anyway, I think PoE has some cool features, but Diablo 3 is far and away the better game. As much as I like to trash D3, I put hundreds of hours into it. I reinstalled it today and started from scratch. It was fun clearing up through the skeleton king. I find PoE to be really boring. All of the skills I've used are really boring. I've played a couple classes and they all seem the same. They probably would have been better off not doing classes at all and going all in with the gem thing.
You're apparently not getting the point. WTF does it matter if one company calls it a beta and the other releases it and then they BOTH continue to add, update, patch it on a continual basis? When I paid to play PoE I gave it a 45/100. This is not going to improve just because they add "stuff". They've already lost me as a customer. They should've either made it a free open beta, or a closed invite only type beta and do all the usual marketing blah blah blah to receive attention and hype and work for a release date just like most other games do. Note GW2, thats how a game is properly developed. Should Blizz have used their closed beta to properly flush out some discrepencies with D3? Absolutely. Maybe they were too confident they had a finished game on their hands.
But back to PoE, they are using the cover of beta to hide behind but at the same time making it accessible by vitually everyone who wants to pay money. I think this may be the part that burns me most. I don't remember ever having to pay for a beta. TBH I regret my 10 dollars on PoE more than I do about spending $60 on D3. I don't even know why this thread exists tbh. Repost it when PoE gets out of their "beta" if they ever do lol. Mark my words, D3 will be the better game when we look back on its entire lifetime.
Apparently I'm not getting the point either. What exactly are you trying to convince us of?
You didn't have to pay to get in. You could have waited to receive an invite. Whether you think so or not, the game is still in beta.
...Is this guy serious?
Umm, I thought this was a compare and contrast thread.
And yes I did - I've had an account for prob six months and I've yet to get a key (as of last time I actually logged in that is) Are u serious?
It is compare and contrast, but I've never heard of someone trying to compare and contrast by predicting the future success of the games.
Well, that's just bad luck, not everyone gets picked, it happens in almost every beta. Is this your first time playing a "closed" beta? Are you one of those guys who pay hundreds of dollars for a key from eBay?
It doesn't seem so much like attacking people who dislike it, but attacking people spreading misinformation about it.
There is a bit of misinformation, true. I think some of what people are having issue with is that to really enjoy PoE for what it is, you do have to do some research into how things work. A lot of people want to be able to just pick it up and go. With this, it's best to read the new users FAQ as well as the dev FAQ before you start. Maybe the vendor recipe list as well. A little foreknowledge helps a ton in figuring out the ins and outs. Basically it is just tailored more for the hardcore element. Not everyone is going to like that.
Oh D3 is adding 100 levels in a Paragon system. Guess the first "expansion" comes early.
http://kotaku.com/5936247/diablo-iii-adds-100-levels-in-new-paragon-system