NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Nerfs Not Only Ethereum Hash Rate But Also Other Coin Algorithms

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That means these cards are much more likely to be gotten by gamers. No, it won't be a drop in the bucket of the ocean of demand, but it still means these cards are much more apt to end up in gamers' systems than a mining farm. I call that a win, even if it means I still probably won't be able to snag one myself.
 
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Start mining the coins that are limited. If Nvidia is targeting them, good chance they feel like those are the next big ones.

I don't mine and never care about mining. I use my card mostly for ML work and light gaming, but worry this will set bad precedence as we use gaming cards instead of the Titan or Quadro to save cost.
 
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Sure, but many foolish gamers are cheering it on. That's what I am addressing.
Why is it foolish? A Volkswagen Beetle and a Formula F1 racing car are both technically cars, but they serve two completely different purposes and completely different users. The same can be said of many other products well outside GPUs. Hell, even within the PC market other computer components are segmented between enterprise and home user markets. There is no reason GPUs should uniquely remain one-size-fits-all. And it's not like they have really, when you look at products like the Quadro.

Crypto is supposed to be this big paradigm shift. If it is, it's necessarily going to result in knock-on shifts. Right now, some people are wanting to have their cake and eat it too.
 

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Yep, and no mining on the side to recoup some of it. Be a good boy and buy the near warrantyless mining cards with no display output or resale value.

I'd welcome cheap used mining GPUs on the market. If you're willing to deal with a few headaches, like using hacked drivers, you can pass through a mining GPU to a CPU's IGP outputs.


Laptops have been using passthrough video for well over a decade now on models with two or more GPUs in them. The IGP will be used in power saving mode, and the discrete GPU(s) will be used in performance mode. Early attempts by manufacturers to make this setup work involved physically switching the display output with a 3rd party chip, but eventually IGPs started supporting passthrough video, which makes this possible.
 

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Where do you even buy these mining only GPUs? I never seen them on sell anywhere.
 

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Yep, and no mining on the side to recoup some of it. Be a good boy and buy the near warrantyless mining cards with no display output or resale value.
Yeah, I gotta admit, I don't get this. Why wouldn't you just keep the mining card? Miners keep telling me mining doesn't hurt them, so just keep using it on the next coin or whatever.
 
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Yeah, I gotta admit, I don't get this. Why wouldn't you just keep the mining card? Miners keep telling me mining doesn't hurt them, so just keep using it on the next coin or whatever.
Everyone is just trying to feel their way through this craziness right now. Anyone saying they know how all this is going to shake out is talking out of their ass, from [H] posters up to Nvidia's Jensen. The pool is a toxic mix of crypto true believers, folks just trying to make a quick buck (or avoid losing their shirt on previous crypto investments), and people simply not wanting to buy a GPU with potentially shitty resale value.

It's a fucking mess. It's why I bought an Oculus Quest 2. I can have new and novel gaming experiences without raging over not being able to acquire nearly year-old GPU tech.
 

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Yeah, I gotta admit, I don't get this. Why wouldn't you just keep the mining card? Miners keep telling me mining doesn't hurt them, so just keep using it on the next coin or whatever.

That is so you buy it from them. Any constant load on any card is bad over time, and cards do eventually wear out like an old set of tires. I used to OC the heck out of my 7950, kept the fans running 100% to keep it cool. I also kept the computer on 24/7...that took its toll on the card, the fans died and card started overheating. I had to lower the card to stock and put some fans blowing on it to keep it cool. Not all miners treat their cards so hard, but some do and thats why they switch them out.
 

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That is so you buy it from them. Any constant load on any card is bad over time, and cards do eventually wear out like an old set of tires. I used to OC the heck out of my 7950, kept the fans running 100% to keep it cool. I also kept the computer on 24/7...that took its toll on the card, the fans died and card started overheating. I had to lower the card to stock and put some fans blowing on it to keep it cool. Not all miners treat their cards so hard, but some do and thats why they switch them out.
Im gonna need a little more data then you having a fan failure to prove that mining has any negative affect on cards. Mining is nothing like overclocking.
 
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The number of cards sold to miners is not set by how many gimped cards Nvidia designs.
Would or would not a miner be less likely to buy a card that is gimped at mining? Or are they going to buy it just for shits 'n' giggles?

One card not bought by a miner is a card that will be bought by a gamer.
 

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One card not bought by a miner is a card that will be bought by a gamer.

That assumes that mining and non-mining cards are made, for lack of a better term, organically. That they go on the market, and they are sold to their consumers.

Nvidia, and Nvidia's partners, don't make cards to see what sells. They take orders, and fill them.

Gamers looking to buy one card aren't even a concern for them. If a mining consortium requests 100,000 mining cards that use a specific die, that concern will get all the attention it needs.

Hash-rate-limited cards are marketing, to keep people who Nvidia doesn't want to sell cards to happy.
 
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That assumes that mining and non-mining cards are made, for lack of a better term, organically. That they go on the market, and they are sold to their consumers.

Nvidia, and Nvidia's partners, don't make cards to see what sells. They take orders, and fill them.

Gamers looking to buy one card aren't even a concern for them. If a mining consortium requests 100,000 mining cards that use a specific die, that concern will get all the attention it needs.

Hash-rate-limited cards are marketing, to keep people who Nvidia doesn't want to sell cards to happy.
I don't at all agree with your second paragraph. Nvidia aren't just mindlessly filling orders. You better believe they have some very smart people there who are planning for the longer term. They've seen where short-term thinking landed Intel.

Crypto might be here to stay, but mining on home rigs almost certainly isn't. With these LHR cards, Nvidia is both maintaining the goodwill of gamers in the present, while also positioning themselves for crypto's future.
 

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Crypto might be here to stay, but mining on home rigs almost certainly isn't ... Nvidia is both maintaining the goodwill of gamers in the present, while also positioning themselves for crypto's future.

I'm afraid this is entirely backward. Crypto mining is a boom-or-bust cycle, while mining at home will remain eternal.

No, Nvidia isn't mindlessly filling orders; they're selling cards directly to miners however their customers want their cards configured. They're only putting hash-rate-limited cards out with parts left over from their mining orders, so that they can tell Nvidia fans that they're selling "gaming" cards. That's not what these are. They're leftovers made on spare parts, marketed as "goodwill," from a company that couldn't care less.

"Goodwill" is just marketing fodder, in the form of LHR cards. They shure as shugar aren't selling miners mining-specific cards; they want to be able to resell their hardware after their investment's paid off.

FWIW, the mining-only cards are also marketing. That's all that this is.
 

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GPU mining needs to die , the damage is too great for the gaming industry.
i just hope i can finally get a new pc already when stocks becomes available and sold at MSRP, maybe next year...
 
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I don't at all agree with your second paragraph. Nvidia aren't just mindlessly filling orders. You better believe they have some very smart people there who are planning for the longer term. They've seen where short-term thinking landed Intel.

Crypto might be here to stay, but mining on home rigs almost certainly isn't. With these LHR cards, Nvidia is both maintaining the goodwill of gamers in the present, while also positioning themselves for crypto's future.
Do you know why there are so few 3080's out now? The same 102 dies that go to 3090, 3080Ti and 3080 now go to mining cards that no gamer can use to game on. Is that helping gamers? Sure, miners can buy the miners cards, that will not help the gamers get more cards since the same GPU is used on one sku. Those mining cards have no video outputs, GPU made for graphics not being used ever for graphics, yeah that is really helping gamers.

The LHR cards have zero bearing on trying to help gamers, it helps Nvidia not have a glut of used gaming capable cards hit the street driving down the cost so that gamers have viable great options to buy cheap gaming cards and driving down the cost of new cards. That won't happen now, gamers are now happy? Not only that, why is the card cost so high as it it? I would think Nvidia would reduce the card price which has limitations imposed, is that helping the gamer too? I would say not. Now that miners are out of the picture, they are not, dealing with the 3080 Ti -> they will be plentiful and at MSRP right?
 
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I'm afraid this is entirely backward. Crypto mining is a boom-or-bust cycle, while mining at home will remain eternal.

No, Nvidia isn't mindlessly filling orders; they're selling cards directly to miners however their customers want their cards configured. They're only putting hash-rate-limited cards out with parts left over from their mining orders, so that they can tell Nvidia fans that they're selling "gaming" cards. That's not what these are. They're leftovers made on spare parts, marketed as "goodwill," from a company that couldn't care less.

"Goodwill" is just marketing fodder, in the form of LHR cards. They shure as shugar aren't selling miners mining-specific cards; they want to be able to resell their hardware after their investment's paid off.

FWIW, the mining-only cards are also marketing. That's all that this is.
There is no way mining at home can remain viable, not if crypto is to maintain any kind of value. After all, what supposedly makes crypto a good store of value is their limited amount. And to maintain that limit, they necessarily become more difficult to mine. If crypto remains easy enough to profitably mine for home users without their electric bills soaring through the roof and the local power company coming down on them like the hand of an angry god, then they are worthless in the long term.

Basically, crypto miners are printing their own money right now. It's no different than running $100 bills off an inkjet printer. Such a thing cannot remain viable as a currency.

When you get right down to the base of it, we're talking about the laws of thermodynamics. There is no free lunch when it comes to thermodynamics, just as there is no free lunch when it comes to a thing being a store of value (in both cases, it's all about work done). Cryptocurrency boosters are no different than crackpots peddling perpetual motion machines.

And of course it's marketing. Smart marketing. Just because something is marketing doesn't mean it's all bullshit.
 

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Do you know why there are so few 3080's out now? The same 102 dies that go to 3090, 3080Ti and 3080 now go to mining cards that no gamer can use to game on. Is that helping gamers? Sure, miners can buy the miners cards, that will not help the gamers get more cards since the same GPU is used on one sku. Those mining cards have no video outputs, GPU made for graphics not being used ever for graphics, yeah that is really helping gamers.

The LHR cards have zero bearing on trying to help gamers, it helps Nvidia not have a glut of used gaming capable cards hit the street driving down the cost so that gamers have viable great options to buy cheap gaming cards and driving down the cost of new cards. That won't happen now, gamers are now happy? Not only that, why is the card cost so high as it it? I would think Nvidia would reduce the card price which has limitations imposed, is that helping the gamer too? I would say not. Now that miners are out of the picture, they are not, dealing with the 3080 Ti -> they will be plentiful and at MSRP right?

Not really
Mining card prices will rise and with a lower ROI they`ll become less attractive and people will go back to ASICs
They have no added value for gamers here , no real resell value either (miners would prefer a new card with good hash rate )
The old excuse of 'i want to mine while not gaming' will die , Home mining will decline considerably.
And while supply will still be low for gaming GPUs , they would be going to gamers only and so demand will finally begin to catch up with supply.
 

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Not really
Mining card prices will rise and with a lower ROI they`ll become less attractive and people will go back to ASICs
They have no added value for gamers here , no real resell value either (miners would prefer a new card with good hash rate )
The old excuse of 'i want to mine while not gaming' will die , Home mining will decline considerably.
And while supply will still be low for gaming GPUs , they would be going to gamers only and so demand will finally begin to catch up with supply.
ASICs have not disappeared, many coins you cannot mine with ASICs so would have no bearing. Some coins CPUs are the best way to mine and no ASIC could be designed to use the algorithm. Also a lot of miners mine not for ROI but belief in a future value of a Crypto, give support, become a member, join a discord/reddit/some forum etc. Just for fun and so on. In other words many reasons.

The castrated mining ability of the LHR cards have zero bearing on helping the gamer out is all I was saying (my view).

The truth is, mining, involvement of people in Crypto has been exploding overall. The endless streams of new Crypto coins to snag new believers seems to be endless. Good or bad? That has to be decided with time. I would fight to keep hardware you own not be artificially limited in anything. Now we have both, Crypto cards not able to do any gaming, probably ever and gaming cards castrated for mining and maybe more in the future.
 

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Yeah, I gotta admit, I don't get this. Why wouldn't you just keep the mining card? Miners keep telling me mining doesn't hurt them, so just keep using it on the next coin or whatever.
You can only put a set amount of cards in your rig. You want the best mining card you can buy. Why mine with 10 1080 cards when you can replace them with 10 3080 cards?
 

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Would or would not a miner be less likely to buy a card that is gimped at mining? Or are they going to buy it just for shits 'n' giggles?

One card not bought by a miner is a card that will be bought by a gamer scalper.

Fixed that for you. Anyone who thinks that LHR cards are going to magically make cards more available is an idiot. The guy that can make a quick $1k sitting overnight in a parking lot is the reason your cards are expensive.
 
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Where do you even buy these mining only GPUs? I never seen them on sell anywhere.
I found this
https://jcutrer.com/advise/where-to-buy-nvidia-cmp-30hx-40hx-mining-cards
NVIDIA disclosed they have sold around $30 Million worth of these dedicated mining GPUs to OEM manufacturers such as Gigabyte. I will update this post with links to retailers as they become available.
Update: As of April 29, 2021, these CMP mining GPUs are still not available for purchase from any reputable retailers in the United States.


And this
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/cmp/

And this
https://www.techradar.com/news/giga...online-and-appears-to-confirm-our-worst-fears
The new Nvidia mining GPU, the Nvidia CMP 30HX, has shown up online again – this time in Romania – and the pricing confirms that there will likely be little interest among cryptominers for the new card.
This is the same Gigabyte CMP 30HX that we saw online recently, VideoCardz points out, though it's different than the one that was listed at Microcenter - an online retailer in the United Arab Emirates - a few weeks ago before being taken down soon after.
The Gigabyte CMP 30HX was found online by Twitter user @momomo_us, on sale at ITDirect, and is currently listed for 2,975 RON, which comes out to about $720 / £525 / AU$945. With a listed hash rate of just 26 MH/s, this is comparable to that of an RTX 3060 with the hash rate limiter enabled.
What is clear, however, is that unless the price of these Nvidia mining GPUs come down significantly, they are not going to be seen as a viable alternative to traditional graphics cards and are unlikely to help the ongoing RTX card stock issues.


And this
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-cmp-crypto-miner-rtx-3060-half-hash/
Nvidia’s newly launched CMP cards, which are designed for cryptocurrency mining, generated more than $155 million in revenue during the company’s fiscal first quarter. Sales of cryptocurrency mining cards are predicted to top $400 million for the current quarter.
 

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So to sum this all up.
Low Hash-rate chips are an infuriating exercise in futility because Nvidia is trying to convince it's gamer segment not to worry about their crypto segment.
But alienating everyone else instead?

I can get behind this all being Marketing BS, I just can't figure out what they intend to do with their messaging.
Other than I guess aiming one buying group at the other...
 

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If Nvidia sold their flawed GPUs at a steep discount for mining purposes, miners might buy them.

Instead Nvidia is selling their flawed GPUs for MORE than the "gaming" GPUs and wondering why nobody takes CMP cards seriously.
 
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That means these cards are much more likely to be gotten by gamers. No, it won't be a drop in the bucket of the ocean of demand, but it still means these cards are much more apt to end up in gamers' systems than a mining farm. I call that a win, even if it means I still probably won't be able to snag one myself.
You realize Nvidia just upped the MSRP by $200... $1200 MSRP for a card still slower then a 3090, sometimes slower then a $1000 6900 (which most people still agree is a terrible buy)... and single digits faster then a standard 3080 with a msrp of $700.

What is the difference if you can buy this at retail if your just paying the scalper, or miner inflated price to NV instead. The end result for gamers is exactly the same.

PS... also keep in mind more then one reviewer has determined these are running on the edge of what is possible for this silicon they fail if you try to overclock them even a little.
 

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Yes, because they have never segmented products in the past.... If it's deemed profitable enough, they will make the appropriate changes. It's kind of expected.


It's not like nvidia is the only one who segments products.

They are the only one I can think of that through software hobbles consumer hardware. Sure perhaps other companies will only allow super stable pro drivers to install on pro hardware. But no one has actually disabled hardware function via software.

Make no mistake that is what Nvidia is doing here... and if they get away with it. Next up will be compute stuff. I don't think Nvidia would be above limiting things like Blender performance on "gaming" cards if they think they can get away with it.
 
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They are the only one I can think of that through software hobbles consumer hardware. Sure perhaps other companies will only allow super stable pro drivers to install on pro hardware. But no one has actually disabled hardware function via software.
Creative also did this with the soundblasters at one point.
Either way, It´ll probably get unlocked as did the creative cards.
 

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What the fuck happened to us wanting this so we could get reasonably priced and available GPU's again? All the comments here are just blasting this as if something doesn't need to be done about the GPU market.
 

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What the fuck happened to us wanting this so we could get reasonably priced and available GPU's again? All the comments here are just blasting this as if something doesn't need to be done about the GPU market.
It sounds logical on its head. Then you see what Nvidia is really doing. Charging a fortune for their washout parts half of which may not even have working video output bits so they are putting them on mining cards they are selling for the the same or MORE then functioning gaming cards. Then as a direct FU to gamers... they release a TI card which is at the outer limits of the silicon meaning overclock them even a little bit and they will fail, and they have the audacity to up the MSRP $200. So you can now buy a TI card for a 60% premium over the non ti that has a 8% performance uplift with no headroom.

I think its become clear to most people that didn't see it out of the gate. This isn't about gamers. This was never about gamers. This was about making more money... this move allows Nvidia to charge miners for their scrap bin parts (non working video output is a common issue with GPUs out of the fab) this allows Nvidia to end the current hot resale market that has been hurting their bottom line for 3 or 4 years now. And to top it off apparently Nvidia also believes this will allow them to make the middle man money themselves... what is the point of mining cards to reduce the push on GPU pricing if Nvidia just jacks MSRP up themselves.
 

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It sounds logical on its head. Then you see what Nvidia is really doing. Charging a fortune for their washout parts half of which may not even have working video output bits so they are putting them on mining cards they are selling for the the same or MORE then functioning gaming cards. Then as a direct FU to gamers... they release a TI card which is at the outer limits of the silicon meaning overclock them even a little bit and they will fail, and they have the audacity to up the MSRP $200. So you can now buy a TI card for a 60% premium over the non ti that has a 8% performance uplift with no headroom.

I think its become clear to most people that didn't see it out of the gate. This isn't about gamers. This was never about gamers. This was about making more money... this move allows Nvidia to charge miners for their scrap bin parts (non working video output is a common issue with GPUs out of the fab) this allows Nvidia to end the current hot resale market that has been hurting their bottom line for 3 or 4 years now. And to top it off apparently Nvidia also believes this will allow them to make the middle man money themselves... what is the point of mining cards to reduce the push on GPU pricing if Nvidia just jacks MSRP up themselves.
And people have bent over and said "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
 
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