NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Nerfs Not Only Ethereum Hash Rate But Also Other Coin Algorithms

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I saw this story get picked up by all the tech blogs, but from what I've seen this isn't true and a bunch of sites posted it without fact checking as usual. The video below shows Raven at 43 and Ergo at 220 which means they aren't limited.


My card arrives today so I guess I'll find out myself what the truth is.
Thank you for posting, I hadn't seen this yet.
 

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Not quite, NVidia and AMD already segment their cards based on FP64 performance, they both artificially gimp their consumer cards on this while leaving it open for their work station cards. Product segmentation already exists across their stacks to artificially limit a whole crapload of metrics to separate their professional and consumer products. This is not even a remotely new approach
Crypto mining is huge business, NVidia is just defining a new product stack, without that segmentation neither AMD nor NVidia would be able to justify the existence of 90% of their workstation/server/datacenter product stacks.

it sucks for people who mine from home, but this was an inevitability.
The difference is in the past the gaming cards do less than the work station cards so they cost less. These LHR cards do less but do NOT cost less.
 

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it sucks for people who mine from home, but this was an inevitability.

Its only an invevitability if the market bears it. The FP64 thing is somewhat grandfathered in and there isn't much either new technology that requires it or does it make it impossible to do consumer-level tasks without it (ie you can still render etc.. without it and there's only a small group of professional tasks where double precision FP64 matters) , so its sort of off the radar of non-professionals. However, if there were lots of technologies or implementations that needed it and/or it used to be un-gimped and then was added, Ithink people would be just as frustrated. That's one key difference here.

Regardless, we should not put up with increasing fragementation or it will only get worse. Its not acceptable to just say "Oh well, I guess its profitable now. May as well wait for our corporate overlords to put the screws to the people to control, manipulate, or make it even more profitable for them at the cost of everyone else!"
 

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Its only an invevitability if the market bears it. The FP64 thing is somewhat grandfathered in and there isn't much either new technology that requires it or does it make it impossible to do consumer-level tasks without it (ie you can still render etc.. without it and there's only a small group of professional tasks where double precision FP64 matters) , so its sort of off the radar of non-professionals. However, if there were lots of technologies or implementations that needed it and/or it used to be un-gimped and then was added, Ithink people would be just as frustrated. That's one key difference here.

Regardless, we should not put up with increasing fragementation or it will only get worse. Its not acceptable to just say "Oh well, I guess its profitable now. May as well wait for someone to put the screws to the people to control, manipulate, or make it even more profitable for them at the cost of everyone else!"

And getting back to your subscription comment earlier. It isn't as far fetched as people want to believe. Look at what Intel did with VROC.
 

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Its only an invevitability if the market bears it. The FP64 thing is somewhat grandfathered in and there isn't much either new technology that requires it or does it make it impossible to do consumer-level tasks without it (ie you can still render etc.. without it and there's only a small group of professional tasks where double precision FP64 matters) , so its sort of off the radar of non-professionals. However, if there were lots of technologies or implementations that needed it and/or it used to be un-gimped and then was added, Ithink people would be just as frustrated. That's one key difference here.

Regardless, we should not put up with increasing fragementation or it will only get worse. Its not acceptable to just say "Oh well, I guess its profitable now. May as well wait for our corporate overlords to put the screws to the people to control, manipulate, or make it even more profitable for them at the cost of everyone else!"
I don't like it but I am certainly not going to fault NVidia for trying to get their cut of the Crypto market, really once ETH drops for proof of stake this problem mostly goes away and suddenly we are going to see a market flooded with cheap-ish cards. So this is a temporary thing that NVidia is capitalizing on in the meantime, the only way it will stay is if the miners actually do buy the CMP cards. So the ball is 100% in their court, it's up to them to call out NVidia and to vote with their wallets, not the gamers because technically NVidia is giving us exactly what we asked for.
 
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And getting back to your subscription comment earlier. It isn't as far fetched as people want to believe. Look at what Intel did with VROC.
Or what NVidia has already done for vGPU support for VDI systems, I'm already paying them roughly $50 a year per virtual GPU for my ESXi desktops.
 

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Thank you for posting, I hadn't seen this yet.

I am unsure if I can confirm this, but the pic in that video is of a FE 3080 Ti - which is rumored to NOT be LHR limited. However, the specs in the original post were on a AIB EVGA card which would at least make sense alongside the " FE versions not limited, some/most AIB versions LHR" . Of course this makes things even more frustrating and causes even more desire to scalp FE's because they won't be mining limited etc. There are also rumors that going forward even new versions of the 3090 (unsure if just FE or at least some AIBs) will NOT be LHR limited unlike all of the lower cards which, if accurate, basically sets the new price to get the full use of your GPU to $1500 minimum and more realistic $2000+ ; this may go along with the 3090 being an "Titan, just unnamed" and that's at least some small comfort that you can buy a bloody $1500+ 24GB DDR6X VRAM card and get full use of it, but that also means that Nvidia doesn't think that the 3080 Ti's $1200 minimum is enough to qualify for full access to your GPU unless you can pick up a special FE version.
 

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if the miners actually do buy the CMP cards

I still think these cards are marketed toward gamers. Not in that gamers want them or will buy them, but they will make people think Nvidia cares about gaming.
 

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I don't like it but I am certainly not going to fault NVidia for trying to get their cut of the Crypto market, really once ETH drops for proof of stake this problem mostly goes away and suddenly we are going to see a market flooded with cheap-ish cards. So this is a temporary thing that NVidia is capitalizing on in the meantime, the only way it will stay is if the miners actually do buy the CMP cards. So the ball is 100% in their court, it's up to them to call out NVidia and to vote with their wallets, not the gamers because technically NVidia is giving us exactly what we asked for.

I don't see this as Nvidia getting their cut of the crypto market. They are already getting their cut as they have gone almost a whole year selling everything they can make.

I see CMP cards as Nvidia getting rid of their "almost ok GPUs" marketed to an environment where the GPU doesn't matter as much.

They should give them at a discount to move their dead inventory, but they won't...
 

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I am unsure if I can confirm this, but the pic in that video is of a FE 3080 Ti - which is rumored to NOT be LHR limited. However, the specs in the original post were on a AIB EVGA card which would at least make sense alongside the " FE versions not limited, some/most AIB versions LHR" . Of course this makes things even more frustrating and causes even more desire to scalp FE's because they won't be mining limited etc. There are also rumors that going forward even new versions of the 3090 (unsure if just FE or at least some AIBs) will NOT be LHR limited unlike all of the lower cards which, if accurate, basically sets the new price to get the full use of your GPU to $1500 minimum and more realistic $2000+ ; this may go along with the 3090 being an "Titan, just unnamed" and that's at least some small comfort that you can buy a bloody $1500+ 24GB DDR6X VRAM card and get full use of it, but that also means that Nvidia doesn't think that the 3080 Ti's $1200 minimum is enough to qualify for full access to your GPU unless you can pick up a special FE version.

Supposedly EVERY 3080Ti is LHR according to Nvidia. 3090 or bust for non-LHR coming soon.
 

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I don't like it but I am certainly not going to fault NVidia for trying to get their cut of the Crypto market, really once ETH drops for proof of stake this problem mostly goes away and suddenly we are going to see a market flooded with cheap-ish cards. So this is a temporary thing that NVidia is capitalizing on in the meantime, the only way it will stay is if the miners actually do buy the CMP cards. So the ball is 100% in their court, it's up to them to call out NVidia and to vote with their wallets, not the gamers because technically NVidia is giving us exactly what we asked for.

They can, have, and will "get their cut" of the crypto market by selling every single Ampere chip they make unencumbered, be it for full time mining, part time mining/gaming, or full time gaming use (who may decide to/learn about/mine one day). Nvidia is not crying "woe is me, however will I profit" when they're selling every card - this is purely a power and control play, the kind they've been falling over themselves to do at every turn since the days of PhysX, GameWorks, GSync, The Way its Meant To Be Played, and every other attempt for proprietary lockdown that harms the users . Do you think that after ETH goes PoS (whenever that happens) Nvidia will magically flip a switch and send new drivers saying "Congrats! Mine all you want now! You don't need to buy our special, brand new, gimped mining only product line to go with your hobbled gaming only graphics card anymore! Enjoy!" ? I 'd consider that very unlikely without massive market pressure - instead it will become the new normal, just like FP64 and Quadro. Also, even if ETH goes PoS which they've been delaying for a long time (and now you have a whole bunch of miners and scalpers who have a vested interest where they can vote with their ETH to delay the switch ) there will still be other crypto out there NV can point to and say "Nope, see we still need to segment this product line".

Given the extended prospects for the shortage I don't think we're going to see a flood of "cheap cards" even if everyone somehow not only stopped mining Eth and a few others, but also stopped mining everything else that can be done on a GPU, neither is very likely to happen. I'm sure the miners will call them out, but they can also either just buy the full powered cards and use their scalping bots to pick up as many as possible, because it makes them big money. So yes, it also depends on gamers to stand up here too and object lest NV gets their way of trying to completely divide and conquer the userbase of 'gamers" vs" miners" - having the two fight each other only results in bigger profits for Nvidia, when we should be unified together saying we won't stand for this garbage. Lets not defend anything Nvidia is doing - they have and will continue to make absolutely insane profits even if every card is completely unlimited, as they have been selling every chip and every card off the damn line - defending their right to demand even more via exploitative methods should never be justified, but its especially offensive with the current state of things.
 

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Supposedly EVERY 3080Ti is LHR according to Nvidia. 3090 or bust for non-LHR coming soon.

Yes every 3080 Ti is LHR. The one in the video is limited on Eth just like the 3060 was. Nvidia made a comment that the other FE cards (3060 ti, 3070 and 3080) wouldn't have LHR as they are limited run but we will have to see if this is true and if they still keep making them.

All 3090s will have full hash rate.
 

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I saw this story get picked up by all the tech blogs, but from what I've seen this isn't true and a bunch of sites posted it without fact checking as usual. The video below shows Raven at 43 and Ergo at 220 which means they aren't limited.


My card arrives today so I guess I'll find out myself what the truth is.
Wow, RVN (Ravencoin destroyer) faster than a 3090 or about. So how many other coins are totally not affected by being a LHR card? Anyways RVN is one of the coins I have some faith in for usability in the future. RVN use to be the top coin to mine for a very long period of time, still up there but not tops.
 

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Yes every 3080 Ti is LHR. The one in the video is limited on Eth just like the 3060 was. Nvidia made a comment that the other FE cards (3060 ti, 3070 and 3080) wouldn't have LHR as they are limited run but we will have to see if this is true and if they still keep making them.

All 3090s will have full hash rate.
But the HX170 outmines the 3090, it's made from the defective A100 dies. But I don't know to price, not sure anybody really does they are one of those if you are asking then its not for you.
 

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What gamers asked for a gimped $1200 card?
It's not gimped for gaming, but yeah it should be sub $1000, but AMD has brought nothing to the table in terms of hardware to counter it so NVidia gets to set yet another flagship price tag until somebody beats it, then they can do what they always do and lower it down to counter. I mean it pisses me off but at $1200 it is already sold out, so they didn't overcharge because if they did there would still be stock left. So I don't blame NVidia for this I blame AMD for overpromising and under delivering and letting NVidia just run hog wild.

It's a sad state when we are praying for Intel to come to our rescue, if they can release a good mid-range part to gut the AMD / Nvidia core where the bulk of the sales are made up then AMD and NVidia will be forced to respond with price reductions. But if Intel launches and maintains the status quo then we are all just as hooped.
 

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It's not gimped for gaming,
True, but this card has less value and less resale value because it has less features but it costs MORE price/performance than the 3080 FE
So I don't blame NVidia for this I blame AMD for overpromising and under delivering and letting NVidia just run hog wild
Well, that is a stretch, it isn't AMD's job to keep Nvidia in check that is the job of consumers and we have failed miserably.
 

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True, but this card has less value and less resale value because it has less features but it costs MORE price/performance than the 3080 FE

Well, that is a stretch, it isn't AMD's job to keep Nvidia in check that is the job of consumers and we have failed miserably.
In a supposedly competitive marketplace, it sort of is the competition's job to keep prices in check otherwise monopolies would be absolutely OK because things would always be priced fairly. But it is NVidia's duty to their shareholders to charge the most they determine the market will bear for a product and all this has gone to show them is that they could be charging 2-3x as much and people will still line up around the block to buy it. It was AMD's job to actually launch a competitive card, and while they did manage to build one in small quantities they have utterly failed at delivering them in any meaningful numbers. So that leaves us in a state where NVidia can basically charge anything they want MSRP because that number only really applies to the bots and people who spend a few days in a line.

And yeah I am probably being a little harsh on AMD, but they have utterly failed to produce anything in their product stack in any meaningful quantity, so for all their bravado, the only thing they have managed to do is increase their own profit margins in this while smiling the whole time coming off as the good guy challengers.

So here the bulk of us sit with money to spend but no products to buy longing for what could be, all while scalpers turn us out for tricks in a dirty Bestbuy parking lot while blaming our current situation on the Miners.


But I may just be bitter because my 2080TI seems to crash any time I even try running something with RTX enabled, pretty sure it's got a defect but I can't even RMA that because they have nothing to actually replace it with.
 

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But I may just be bitter because my 2080TI seems to crash any time I even try running something with RTX enabled, pretty sure it's got a defect but I can't even RMA that because they have nothing to actually replace it with.
Did you check, or just assuming? I'd think they'd offer you a 3070 as a replacement?
 

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Did you check, or just assuming? I'd think they'd offer you a 3070 as a replacement?
Normally they would, but right now if you send cards in for RMA what they do instead is pay you out at MSRP of its modern replacement because they literally have no cards to swap it with.
 

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Yeah, it's rough. I recently had to RMA a Quadro P620 that handles the encoding for our security cameras and that was a GD nightmare, I managed to sweet-talk my Dell rep into having one included in a server build that doesn't at all support that card as an "add-on" just so I could get one to replace it in a timely manner. Which only leads me to my other grumbles with AMD because the lead time on the EPYC system I wanted is way too extreme because they are all back ordered so I am having to go with a dual Xeon system instead which really because of per-core licensing doesn't really change much price wise but it does mean I can't use that server as an emergency backup for my Hyper-V hosts in the event of a catastrophic failure as transitioning between AMD and Intel isn't as easy as point and click, I mean you can do it but it takes some finagling, whereas with the same architecture it is literally a case of copying the VHD to the appropriate directory and clicking start.
 

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In a supposedly competitive marketplace, it sort of is the competition's job to keep prices in check otherwise monopolies would be absolutely OK because things would always be priced fairly. But it is NVidia's duty to their shareholders to charge the most they determine the market will bear for a product and all this has gone to show them is that they could be charging 2-3x as much and people will still line up around the block to buy it. It was AMD's job to actually launch a competitive card, and while they did manage to build one in small quantities they have utterly failed at delivering them in any meaningful numbers. So that leaves us in a state where NVidia can basically charge anything they want MSRP because that number only really applies to the bots and people who spend a few days in a line.

And yeah I am probably being a little harsh on AMD, but they have utterly failed to produce anything in their product stack in any meaningful quantity, so for all their bravado, the only thing they have managed to do is increase their own profit margins in this while smiling the whole time coming off as the good guy challengers.
It is not the job of one company to keep another company in check. As you said the job of a company is to make as much money as possible. Then if more than one company makes the same product the competition in the marketplace keeps prices in check. As consumers WE decide what the price of a product is acceptable. If no one bought the 3080ti and if sat unsold on shelves the price would go down no matter what AMD did. Supply vs Demand.

I will give the 3080FE as an example. Consumers were not impressed with the price vs performance of the 2000 series and sales were slow. This got us the 3080FE at $699 even though AMD was not competitive at that time.
 

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Creative also did this with the soundblasters at one point.
Either way, It´ll probably get unlocked as did the creative cards.
Well Creative was reliant on Microsoft's DirectSound for hardware acceleration and then suddenly Microsoft removed it in Vista. So instead of working with Microsoft for a solution they instead went onto OpenAL and then charged everyone for Alchemy which allows for their EAX to work again. To this day I don't know why hardware audio acceleration was removed from Windows but I can see why people kept Windows XP for such a long time. Creative didn't remove it but they certainly monetized the fix.
 
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Well Creative was reliant on Microsoft's DirectSound for hardware acceleration and then suddenly Microsoft removed it in Vista. So instead of working with Microsoft for a solution they instead went onto OpenAL and then charged everyone for Alchemy which allows for their EAX to work again. To this day I don't know why hardware audio acceleration was removed from Windows but I can see why people kept Windows XP for such a long time. Creative didn't remove it but they certainly monetized the fix.
The audio hardware acceleration gave direct kernel access to work and was responsible for something like 98% of all the BSOD’s in the beta tests. So they pulled it and a few other kernel level access rights at the last minute, like literally a week prior to launch. Which really screwed over HP print drivers and Creatives audio as they had to redevelop completely for the new API’s instead.
 

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You realize Nvidia just upped the MSRP by $200... $1200 MSRP for a card still slower then a 3090, sometimes slower then a $1000 6900 (which most people still agree is a terrible buy)... and single digits faster then a standard 3080 with a msrp of $700.

What is the difference if you can buy this at retail if your just paying the scalper, or miner inflated price to NV instead. The end result for gamers is exactly the same.

PS... also keep in mind more then one reviewer has determined these are running on the edge of what is possible for this silicon they fail if you try to overclock them even a little.
This is exactly what I have read. BUT today I went to The FPS Review, home to the old reviewers from here, and they have the 3080 Ti FE beating an OVERCLOCKED 3090!

Performance
What really surprised us in testing is not only how close the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE and GeForce RTX 3090 were, we thought as much, but the fact the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE can at times beat the RTX 3090. Now, remember, we were using a GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3090 GAMING OC video card here for comparison. It has a factory overclock and runs faster than a Founders Edition GeForce RTX 3090 would. Yet, in our testing, we still saw the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE either matching and sometimes beating it in performance.

How does it do this? Quite simply it comes down to clock speed. With the core specifications being so close, to the point of almost not even mattering for performance, any advantage in GPU clock speed is going to prevail. The fact is, the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE is boosting higher than even our factory overclocked GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3090 GAMING OC video card. That raw frequency increase is enough to offset the difference since the specifications are so close. This would be even more exaggerated if we had used a Founders Edition GeForce RTX 3090.
 

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Which really screwed over HP print drivers and Creatives audio as they had to redevelop completely for the new API’s instead.

It didn't hurt that the big OEMs basically refused to meet Vista's minimum requirements ... even though Vista was well and truly great as far as Windows versions go, people still hate it.

People hate Vista when other companies broke it, and here we have Nvidia deliberately breaking their own hardware, and people can't wait to buy it.

I hope Nvidia's PR team all gets bonuses, they've earned their keep.
 

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It didn't hurt that the big OEMs basically refused to meet Vista's minimum requirements ... even though Vista was well and truly great as far as Windows versions go, people still hate it.

People hate Vista when other companies broke it, and here we have Nvidia deliberately breaking their own hardware, and people can't wait to buy it.

I hope Nvidia's PR team all gets bonuses, they've earned their keep.
Yep. It's quite an amazing feat by nvidia's pr.
 
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If I were a betting man, I would say that the governments of certain countries are buying as many of these cards as they possibly can. I won't speculate further than that, but it's impossible for enough average people to suddenly start scalping or mining to make that much of an impact. Most ordinary people outside of this hobby have no concept of such things.
Agreed. While China locks down cypto for their meek masses, do we not believe they are sponsoring and encouraging mining on a massive scale?
 

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Yep. It's quite an amazing feat by nvidia's pr.
I think you give them too much credit. People offsetting the price by mining, FOMO, Epeen, and a lot of people with more dollars than sense contributed a lot to the madness.
 

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In a supposedly competitive marketplace, it sort of is the competition's job to keep prices in check otherwise monopolies would be absolutely OK because things would always be priced fairly. But it is NVidia's duty to their shareholders to charge the most they determine the market will bear for a product and all this has gone to show them is that they could be charging 2-3x as much and people will still line up around the block to buy it. It was AMD's job to actually launch a competitive card, and while they did manage to build one in small quantities they have utterly failed at delivering them in any meaningful numbers. So that leaves us in a state where NVidia can basically charge anything they want MSRP because that number only really applies to the bots and people who spend a few days in a line.

And yeah I am probably being a little harsh on AMD, but they have utterly failed to produce anything in their product stack in any meaningful quantity, so for all their bravado, the only thing they have managed to do is increase their own profit margins in this while smiling the whole time coming off as the good guy challengers.

So here the bulk of us sit with money to spend but no products to buy longing for what could be, all while scalpers turn us out for tricks in a dirty Bestbuy parking lot while blaming our current situation on the Miners.


But I may just be bitter because my 2080TI seems to crash any time I even try running something with RTX enabled, pretty sure it's got a defect but I can't even RMA that because they have nothing to actually replace it with.
NVidia have failed to produce, just as miserably as AMD.

AMD does have to put the same/related silicon, into 3 consoles, too. And they still managed to have the fastest card, as well. Because, they have the best silicon in the biz, right now. Credit to TSMC, as well. Really proven by the fact that AMD have been able to skip a lower range of cpus. Most of their production is good enough to keep foe their mid/high end product. It seems they don't even have a worthy stock of rejects. Otherwise they would surely have spun it into some budget model. It's all golden.
 

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I don't like it but I am certainly not going to fault NVidia for trying to get their cut of the Crypto market, really once ETH drops for proof of stake this problem mostly goes away and suddenly we are going to see a market flooded with cheap-ish cards. So this is a temporary thing that NVidia is capitalizing on in the meantime, the only way it will stay is if the miners actually do buy the CMP cards. So the ball is 100% in their court, it's up to them to call out NVidia and to vote with their wallets, not the gamers because technically NVidia is giving us exactly what we asked for.
It is all Eth at this point and would be fringe otherwise.
This is the swan song of consumer mining GPU's IMO, but I can't blame these modern "gold panner's" for taking the opportunity. This has happened thought history from salt to gems and it is always the slow and no risk crowd that cry's the most!
Wealth and those who strive for it always overpower the want for entertainment for entertainment sake.
 

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NVidia have failed to produce, just as miserably as AMD.

AMD does have to put the same/related silicon, into 3 consoles, too. And they still managed to have the fastest card, as well. Because, they have the best silicon in the biz, right now. Credit to TSMC, as well. Really proven by the fact that AMD have been able to skip a lower range of cpus. Most of their production is good enough to keep foe their mid/high end product. It seems they don't even have a worthy stock of rejects. Otherwise they would surely have spun it into some budget model. It's all golden.
Its not all TMSC. AMD has made a lot of choices both CPU and GPU side to ensure they got good returns at the fab. If RDNA 3 is using the GPU chiplet designs they have been patenting... it could get even better for them GPU side.
 

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This is exactly what I have read. BUT today I went to The FPS Review, home to the old reviewers from here, and they have the 3080 Ti FE beating an OVERCLOCKED 3090!

Performance
What really surprised us in testing is not only how close the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE and GeForce RTX 3090 were, we thought as much, but the fact the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE can at times beat the RTX 3090. Now, remember, we were using a GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3090 GAMING OC video card here for comparison. It has a factory overclock and runs faster than a Founders Edition GeForce RTX 3090 would. Yet, in our testing, we still saw the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE either matching and sometimes beating it in performance.

How does it do this? Quite simply it comes down to clock speed. With the core specifications being so close, to the point of almost not even mattering for performance, any advantage in GPU clock speed is going to prevail. The fact is, the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE is boosting higher than even our factory overclocked GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3090 GAMING OC video card. That raw frequency increase is enough to offset the difference since the specifications are so close. This would be even more exaggerated if we had used a Founders Edition GeForce RTX 3090.


Is it just an overclocked 3080 Ti FE that beats it (ie a golden chip) or is it actually beating it on average? I'm holding off on opinions for now. Either way, it's still pretty overpriced compared to the 3080 MSRP in terms of price vs performance which is what most people were annoyed with anyway. Beating or matching a 3090 isn't exactly much of an accomplishment and doesn't prove anything. I guess it doesn't matter because this entire situation is a crapshow.

To me the most messed up and irresponsible part of this is that it's a currency that's basically "printing money" by overusing our power grid (especially by GPUs which iirc are way less efficient than custom solutions being employed by Bitcoin--and Bitcoin is already using more energy than Argentina apparently, for whatever good that is). Personally I still think cryptocurrency is just a load of BS and falls far short of any intended aims that it had originally. Sledgehammer as it may be, I think the easy solution is to just make electricity tiers and scrutinize average electricity usage vs household occupancy. If you want to mine overtax the energy grid and our planet's resources, you should be prepared to pay up for it. This would probably stop a lot of mining and also cause people to look for "greener" coins at best (just an estimate, I don't know how much GPU mining consumes realistically). I know in another community I'm a part of, there's someone who ordered 80 thousand worth of anime figurines and hinted that the secret to all their money making is basically cryptocurrency in some kind of low energy cost and no taxation gray area state. This whole thing's just fishy as hell, IMHO. Just my 2 cents.
 

rinaldo00

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Is it just an overclocked 3080 Ti FE that beats it (ie a golden chip) or is it actually beating it on average? I'm holding off on opinions for now. Either way, it's still pretty overpriced compared to the 3080 MSRP in terms of price vs performance which is what most people were annoyed with anyway. Beating or matching a 3090 isn't exactly much of an accomplishment and doesn't prove anything. I guess it doesn't matter because this entire situation is a crapshow.
They never mention manually overclocking the card, just that it boosts very high while gaming.
You can read the full review here
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2021/0...80-ti-founders-edition-review/#ftoc-heading-1
 

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I figured the 3080TI should be slightly faster without all that extra GDDR6X eating into the TDP.
This.

I'd pay great cash monies for a 3090 Lite - same core but half the VRAM. Or just the ability to software disable the rear G6X chips on a regular 3090.
 
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I figured the 3080TI should be slightly faster without all that extra GDDR6X eating into the TDP.
The power consumption of GDDR is per bit, not per chip. The memory bus on the 3080 Ti is the same width as the 3090, just clocked slightly slower. This means you're only saving about 1.5W compared to a 3090.

3090 = 7.25 pJ/b * 384 bits * 19.5 Gbps = 54,288 mW

3080 Ti = 7.25 pJ/b * 384 bits * 19 Gbps = 52,896 mW
 
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