NVIDIA Big Format Gaming Displays - BFGD

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There have been a very large subset of [H]'ers that have been moving down this road for literally years now every since 4K televisions showed up. Gaming on those is not always perfect though and require some tweaking. While I am not sure 65 inches is going to be good for most people's desktops, I guess it will be good for some with G-Sync and Shield built in.

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Step up to big-screen PC gaming with the ultimate tear-free, stutter-free, 4K HDR 65-inch display. Powered by NVIDIA G-SYNC™, it’s a whole new way for enthusiast gamers to take on today’s top titles. The BFGD even includes NVIDIA® SHIELD™ built-in—the most advanced streamer on the planet. Get the smoothest 4K HDR video and the ultimate 4K HDR PC gaming experience, all on the big screen.

I have been gaming for years now on a 48" Samsung JS9000 display and it has been a great experience. I held onto my 3-display Eyefinity/Surround for 6 years waiting for the right time to make the jump...back in 2015.
 
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Lol Kyle, your post totally sounds like it's written with a hipster bent to it.

"I did it before it was cool man" :)

Kinda cool to see Gsync in a display larger than 34". I really want a 65" 1440p. but that's never gonna happen. After gaming on 4k and gaming on 1440p, I just like the way triple A games play on 1440p for some reason.
 

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So we've got:
UHD 120Hz G-sync HDR... but only 27" (and hit by panel delays)
32" UHD G-sync... but no HDR and only up to 60Hz
35" 240 Hz Ultrawide G-sync HDR... but delayed yet again due to lack of panels (and no UHD)
UHD 120Hz G-Sync HDR ... but 65"! (and probably costing both arms and legs)

32", panel manufacturers! FALD, UHD or above, 120Hz, but please just make the damn things in a reasonable middle-ground of size!
 

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Lol Kyle, your post totally sounds like it's written with a hipster bent to it.

"I did it before it was cool man" :)

Kinda cool to see Gsync in a display larger than 34". I really want a 65" 1440p. but that's never gonna happen. After gaming on 4k and gaming on 1440p, I just like the way triple A games play on 1440p for some reason.
3000 posts in that thread. Think there are a few more leading the pack here besides me. But read into it anything you want. I think I led the charge on multi display setups, even before they're were hipsters. Lol!
 

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I have 1 50" Philips 4K as my main, a Sony XBR-40z on the right of that, an Asus VE278 27" on the left of the Phillips (set to 2560x1440), and a Samsung SyncMaster P2450 to the left of the Asus.... I've been doing multi monitor since 1990.. never gonna quit
 

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I and many others made the Large Display jump here on HardOCP many years ago with the Westy V1 and V3. Incredible experience and worth every penny and then some. Prior to date I've owned a few Sony 21" monitors, a Gateway 21", a few Nokia 21" Monitors and even still have a mint condition 24" Sony CRT double boxed and sealed in heavy construction plastic in the garage.

For the last 1.5 years I've been enjoying my 49" Samsung KS8000 display. Absolutely beautiful and the performance and PQ is breath taking.
 

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65" seems too large unless it's curved. In my experience going beyond ~50" starts to get uncomfortable because of uniformity issues towards the edges of the screen when sitting close and the need to either crane your neck or sit further back.

I'm using a 49" LG 49UJ6200 myself. It's the best TV/monitor I've ever owned and I paid something like $320 at Walmart... it seems like they've got the input lag way down on these newer TVs.
 

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I tried a 37” 16x9 HDTV and thought it was too big, and went back to a 32”. I don’t know how you guys are using those gigantic displays at your desk! And I have a big, deep desk! I’m currently using a 34” ultra wide, and it could stand to be a 38” —— but I don’t need or want anything bigger. It becomes hard to see the corner UIs without physically turning your head while gaming at some point.
 
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I find myself turning my head a bit more than I would like to when gaming on my 27", I cant even imagine how bad it would be sitting 2' away from a 65" screen
 

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I find myself turning my head a bit more than I would like to when gaming on my 27", I cant even imagine how bad it would be sitting 2' away from a 65" screen
You wouldn't. I sit about 3 feet away from a curved 49". I would probably sit about 5 feet from a flat 65".
 
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60" 1080P.... and I still have to tweak things sometimes in the UI to read things easily from ~7ft away. I can't imagine 4k. Things look good enough as is, especially with a 1080 driving it with all the eye candy maxed.
 

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Well, my display budget is pretty much spent for the year after getting our projector but something like this might be on the horizon for us next year. G-Sync would pretty much take off that little bit of overhead to help a 1080ti be more of a true 4k/60hz card at ultra for most games.

Very cool idea though. Generally speaking, I've heard you want at least 55-60 inches for 4k. I've got a menagerie of 'em.
55" LG(non HDR-I think it was a 2014 model)-capable of 4096x2160/60/RGB full 8bit or various combinations to get 10bit/12bit
55" HiSense HDR(2016 model-current firmware updates limit to 3840x2160/60/full 8 bit w/ HDR(working for PC games and 4k player).
31.5" LG 10 Bit Monitor(non-HDR-2014 model)-4096x2160/60 true RGB 10bit. Despite its size this display shows the best colors(99.5% Adobe) and black levels. Picture is super crisp as well. Really my go-to display if I want to see something the best it can be. Other than the known 'popping' effect of these models it really is an amazing display.
Optoma UHD60 4k/HDR projector on ~200" wall(2016 model). According to the manual it can do 4096x2160/60 4:4:4 10bit HDR but I've yet to achieve it w/ my PC. Pretty sure it has to with my reciever. I've got to re-route my cable to run it directly into the projector and do some more testing. Definitely going to push HDMI 2.0 to its limit if it can.

Sure there's a correlation between size and resolution but honestly the quality of the panel makes a huge difference as well. These BFGD could be really cool but the panel quality will be a big factor in its performance.
 
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Well, my display budget is pretty much spent for the year after getting our projector but something like this might be on the horizon for us next year. G-Sync would pretty much take off that little bit of overhead to help a 1080ti be more of a true 4k/60hz card at ultra for most games.

Very cool idea though. Generally speaking, I've heard you want at least 55-60 inches for 4k. I've got a menagerie of 'em.
55" LG(non HDR-I think it was a 2014 model)-capable of 4096x2160/60/RGB full 8bit or various combinations to get 10bit/12bit
55" HiSense HDR(2016 model-current firmware updates limit to 3840x2160/60/full 8 bit w/ HDR(working for PC games and 4k player).
31.5" LG 10 Bit Monitor(non-HDR-2014 model)-4096x2160/60 true RGB 10bit. Despite its size this display shows the best colors(99.5% Adobe) and black levels. Picture is super crisp as well. Really my go-to display if I want to see something the best it can be. Other than the known 'popping' effect of these models it really is an amazing display.
Optoma UHD60 4k/HDR projector on ~200" wall(2016 model). According to the manual it can do 4096x2160/60 4:4:4 10bit HDR but I've yet to achieve it w/ my PC. Pretty sure it has to with my reciever. I've got to re-route my cable to run it directly into the projector and do some more testing. Definitely going to push HDMI 2.0 to its limit if it can.

Sure there's a correlation between size and resolution but honestly the quality of the panel makes a huge difference as well. These BFGD could be really cool but the panel quality will be a big factor in its performance.
40" 4k has a ppi similar to a 27" 1440p monitor. Believe me, sitting 3ft away from one in your face fills most of your field of view. You could go bigger with a curve but now your are just filling more of your peripheral vision. It makes games with ui elements in the corners annoying to play.
 
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I've been hoping for PC gaming televisions for years. I love the idea, although with HDMI 2.1 I don't know if gsync will even matter for long.
Either way, color me interested. A 70-75" model would be ideal. Hell, while we're at it...how about building in an AV amplifier so we can do surround (without another device), too?
 
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I'm sitting here typing on a 40inch Samsung 4k . I think it's perfect for my desk and sitting 3 feet from it. With a 65 I would need to mount it on the wall and sit my desk a good 2 extra feet from it for it to work. Hell I might even take a 32inch with all the best spec's and move it closer. But 40inch I think is perfect for 4k.
 
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I've been using a 37" display since Westinghouse debuted that "around 1K" 1080p monitor back in 2005 or 2006, now its a 40" 4K display.

And I would absolutely, positively not go any bigger on a desktop.

Eyestrain is a big problem, not because of the size of native 4K text, but because of the amount of light that your 40" flashlight (which it basically is) throws out. Turn down the backlight and brightness so you don't get eyestrain and suddenly you're looking at a dull image......I had to put mine on an arm mount that meant I could position the 40" set past the back edge of my desk, further away from me....so you're sort of defeating the purpose of even having a giant panel at that point.

SOme guy on YouTube whom I never watch has like 3 55" in some kind of really awful looking triple-monitor setup and I laughed because it sits so high up on his desk and the monitors are so shallowly raked that there'sn o way that can be enjoyable *or* immersive (barnacles? barnacules?)
Dunno, we like what we like but as someone who's used large format for awhile now, I can say 40" is max, not because of pixel count but because of the amount of light these things hit you in the face with....and turning it all down changes the punch impact of the screens so, you know, your mileage may vary.

Nice thing about 4K is you can, however, sit right on top of the things nad never see pixels.
 
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I always thought Eyefinity/surround would be short lived. For me it was just a stop gap until bigger displays and higher resolutions came out. Today I have a 50" 4K HDR TV for gaming and I would consider going ultrawide before going multi monitor.
 

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My 50" Samsung Plasma is slowly going out (purple streaks in bright areas) and needs to be replaced this year.

Kids play too many games for an OLED to work out but this looks like it could be a winner.
 

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I always thought Eyefinity/surround would be short lived. For me it was just a stop gap until bigger displays and higher resolutions came out. Today I have a 50" 4K HDR TV for gaming and I would consider going ultrawide before going multi monitor.
I've been running NV Surround since the GTX480 / Bad Company 2 days.

When it works well, it's great but now that I'm running them at 1440P, it's hard to push most games at high fps on 3 screens (even with a 1080Ti)

What I've found is that I'm pretty happy playing a lot of games on 1 screen (Ghost Recon WL, Overwatch, BF1, Titalfall 2, etc), but racing games (Forza Horizon 2, etc) and Guild Wars 2 and a few other games run really well on 3 screens and really benefit from the extra fov.

I was thinking of just going with a 100Hz 34" Ultrawide but stayed with 3 screens more because it helps me with my document intensive job.

I tried 2 screens for a while, but I can't stand it - it's either 1 or 3 and strangely enough, it was work that pushed me to stay with 3...
 

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Bigger just means you have less focus on the screen and you will go blind with your eyes muscle memory.
 

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Sweet! Too bad I just picked up an Asus 34 inch ultrawide 100hz panel.
 

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Nope. It's a javascript:void(0) link.

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Nope. It's a javascript:void(0) link.

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Fixed. Thanks.

Also, you can always find what is posted in the HardOCP Front Page News Forum, in the HardOCP Front Page News.
 

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I think what you were trying to say is " I made multiple displays cool "....I remember thinking to myself "how the hell did he get that to work". Then found out about the AMD Eyefinity later.
Mine is about 8 or 9 feet from the couch and I'd go bigger than 65" if I had to do it over again. Too big is hard to achieve. As long as it doesn't total fill your peripheral vision, I don't think it's big enough from an immersion standpoint. I feel the same way about monitors. I've got a 49" Samsung KS8500 now and I can't imagine gaming on a smaller screen. If all I did was play games I'd be all over a 65" TV for this. Since I use this as a desktop monitor as well, I'll stick with something under 50". I've tried it and felt the extra space was too hard to utilize as I couldn't see text that far away from center. I sit about 3' from my display as it is. Going further back isn't an option with my crappy eyesight.
 

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The KS8000 makes for a fantastic PC monitor IMO. I've been doing the TV as a monitor thing for 12'ish years and it's the gold standard. At least for the money. The process has never been more trouble-free, too.
In terms of size, I have the 70" model. I've steadily gone from 55 to 60 to 65 and now to 70. I think that's probably "big enough" but there's never really a point where a TV can be too big, IMO.
 

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Can't watch the video right now, but if someone comes out with a 42"-44" 4K screen with 120hz and Gsync, just take my money already.
 
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I have 3 monitors right now but having a huge monitor like that within 2 feet, I don't really want to have to move my head to see everything on just one monitor. I have a 27 inch 144Hz, 1440p AOC monitor and 2 Lenovo 24 inch monitors (they were free) both at 1900x1080. Even if you move back whats the point of getting the 65 inch? The relative distance still makes it about the same if you have to sit back 6+ feet to see it all. There is always that sweet spot where its big but not to big.
 

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I have 3 monitors right now but having a huge monitor like that within 2 feet, I don't really want to have to move my head to see everything on just one monitor. I have a 27 inch 144Hz, 1440p AOC monitor and 2 Lenovo 24 inch monitors (they were free) both at 1900x1080. Even if you move back whats the point of getting the 65 inch? The relative distance still makes it about the same if you have to sit back 6+ feet to see it all. There is always that sweet spot where its big but not to big.
I do not have to move my head at 3' away to see all of a 49" Samsung TV being used as a monitor.
 

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I do not have to move my head at 3' away to see all of a 49" Samsung TV being used as a monitor.
Right, but with a 65 inch TV you definitely would have to look around. I don't know what the sweet spot is but 65 inch TV is much further than 3 feet.
 

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With a large 4k display, isn't FOV an issue? I mean, having it fill your peripheral but with a 90deg FOV just makes everything look big. I feel this is an advantage of Eyefinity/Surround where the larger ~141deg FOV actually gives your peripheral vision in games. And boy, do I find it makes a difference in FPS' ... especially when the 2d scope overlay only covers the main monitor in the middle.
 

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My guess is $3800-$4000.
Now, to see how well volta pushes 4K, I still don't think the 1080 volta run 4K past 100fps, but we will see.
Just to be clear, Im basing these speculations on absolutely nothing.
 
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