New Samsung 4k for everyone.

Discussion in 'Displays' started by seanclayton, Mar 1, 2015.

  1. seanclayton

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    http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/all-products

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    Only PC mode with UHD color-enabled gives you uncompressed 4:4:4.


    JU6500
    REVIEW
    FLAT. Edge-lit.
    Input lag:
    26.5ms (GAMEMODE)
    48ms (PC MODE)

    JU6700
    REVIEW
    CURVE. Edge-lit.
    Input lag:
    27.8ms (GAMEMODE)
    44.2ms (PC MODE)

    JU7100
    REVIEW
    FLAT. Direct-lit.
    Input lag:
    26.1ms (GAMEMODE)
    44.3ms (PC MODE)

    JU7500
    REVIEW #1 Review #2
    CURVE. Direct-lit.
    Input lag:
    21.0ms (GAMEMODE)
    36ms (PC MODE)

    JS7000
    REVIEW
    FLAT. Direct-lit. Quantum dots and wider color gamut.
    Input lag:
    27.4ms (GAMEMODE)
    ??? (PC MODE)

    JS8500
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    FLAT. Edge-lit. Quantum dots and wider color gamut. HDR.
    Input lag:
    36.9ms (GAMEMODE)
    37.7ms (PC MODE)

    JS9000
    REVIEW
    CURVE. Edge-lit. Quantum dots and wider color gamut. HDR.
    Input lag:
    23.6ms (GAMEMODE)
    55.8ms (PC MODE)
     
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  2. Iserlohn

    Iserlohn n00bie

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    Your link shows them, but can't find any announcements. Quiet release... Nothing on European availability or 60Hz 4:4:4 either.

    So not yet sure if these can replace the Philips BDM4065UC
     
  3. x3sphere

    x3sphere 2[H]4U

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    Well the 21ms input lag figure has only been confirmed for the top JS9500 model, which is $6500. I would hope the lag improvements trickle down to the entry models, but not a sure thing yet, unless you've seen reviews for these?
     
  4. NCX

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    Samsung also likes to use low frequency PWM which renders 4K pointless since it destroy motion clarity, and the motion compensation features are disabled when using the gaming friendly modes. The Philips BDM4065UC also uses PWM if not set to an eye scorching 100% brightness, and stretches images too.
     
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  5. VanDiesil

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    I could just see me with 3 x 55" monitors on my desk.......
     
  6. munkle

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    If that 40" does 60hz 4:4:4, I'll be hitting that up for my next computer monitor.
     
  7. petzz

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    Do they have direct LED or edge LED ?
     
  8. elvn

    elvn 2[H]4U

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    Samsung is supposed to make a 34" 21:9 144hz curved g-sync monitor but it probably won't be out until 2016. They recently released a 34" 60hz 3440x1440 non g-sync one that is VA type panel (Samsung S34E790C) and it pretty pricey at ~ $1300. I'm wondering if they will make their 34" 21:9 144hz g-sync gaming one VA rather than the ips that the Acer Predator XR341CK 34" 144Hz Curved Gaming Screen with G-sync will likely be. If samsung releases such a high rez 3440x1440 21:9 gaming panel that is VA like the eizo fg2421 (but with better panels + QC) and fast enough I will be all over it.

    So one way or another I'll likely be on 21:9 gaming monitor in 2016. 4k would be nice for desktop/app real-estate and as an additional monitor would be nice just for those tasks. Otherwise not for gaming for me until they are running off of dp 1.3 - 1.4a input at 120hz with g-sync. Preferably 144hz but I think dp 1.3 only mentioned being capable of 4k at 120hz (if someone makes one, and off of displayport 1.3 gpus as well). So that is quite a ways off for me considering release time of such a monitor and me being on dp 1.3 - 1.4a gpus in sli.
    4k will be over-demanding on gpu for high frame rates even after all of those other considerations. You could probably run 1080p gaming pixel doubled cleanly since it divides 3840x2160 evenly however. You could prob alternately run 21:9 mode with bars on a 4k for much wider aspect ratio game viewport and less pixels to render by gpu. GPU power will increase over the next year though as well, and there will be some directx12 improvements supposedly. By the time I move from a 21:9 3440x1440 gaming panel it will probably be to a VR setup and then a high hz with screen blanking 4k gaming desktop oled. Oled for living room also in the long run but hopefully 21:9 there too.
     
  9. x3sphere

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    All are edge aside from the flagship JS9500 unfortunately, which is also only available in 65" and above size.

    For that reason I think the Vizios will be a much better buy for most people, assuming they get 4:4:4 support nailed down in this year's models.
     
  10. MistaSparkul

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    As others have mentioned, the 4:4:4 issue is probably the biggest deal breaker here. Last year none of the Vizio P series and only a small few of Samsung's high end models like the HU8550 had 4:4:4. Let's hope these guys can get it right this time around.
     
  11. MaZa

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    Well Samsung usually always had a 4:4:4 support when you renamed the input as PC so I am hopeful.
     
  12. qkslvr221

    qkslvr221 Limp Gawd

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    Looks like the 40" models are $849 and $949 for the 6500/6700 respectively. I don't see why these wouldn't do 4:4:4 60p unless for some cost-cutting reason they omit HDMI2.0- the manuals mention nothing about displayport.

    EDIT: Just had a little chat with support, cliffs on the 6700 FWIW:

    Might just have to be a guinea pig for this, after DHL decided to smash my Phillips
     
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  14. petzz

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    Any idea when this will be available?
     
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    The 40" curved panel retails for $949.

    I looked at the instruction manual and it's quite poor. It doesn't say if it's HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 or if any of the HDMI ports are HDMI 2.0 at all.

    Edit- I found a French website that gave this info for the flat panel:

    So it should be the same for the curved model. It says 120Hz refresh rate.

    It looks good. If it is a 4:4:4 display, I just might buy the curved panel and use it with my Titans until I upgrade to a card that supports HDMI 2.0.
     
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  16. qkslvr221

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    Read up a bit before you post. :cool:

    Rep says expected ship date is between March 16th-20th for the JU6700, but this is tentative
     
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  17. petzz

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  18. SixFootDuo

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    Chat InformationPlease wait for a Samsung Agent to respond.

    Chat InformationYou are now chatting with 'Michelle'. There will be a brief survey at the end of our chat to share feedback on my performance today.

    Chat InformationYour Issue ID for this chat is LTK1125603293528X

    Michelle: Hi, thanks for reaching out to Samsung pre-sales support. We appreciate your interest in Samsung products. How may I assist you today?

    Visitor: On the Samsung UHD JU6700

    Visitor: does it support 4:4:4 subsampling?

    Visitor: HDMI 2.0 and or have display port?

    Michelle: Hello, could you give me a few minutes while I gather the information for you?

    Visitor: And is this product in stores now?

    Visitor: of course and thank you kindly

    Michelle: They are not yet in stores. This model does have HDMI 2.0 but just a moment as I look into your other questions.

    Visitor: ok thank you

    Michelle: You're very welcome.

    Michelle: I apologize for the delay. Unfortunately, I was not able to verify that the JU6700 has a displayport and supports 4:4:4 Chroma. We have a dedicated team to assist you further. Do you mind holding for a moment while I transfer your chat to a specialist who can further assist you with your questions?

    Visitor: yes

    Visitor: that would be fine

    Visitor: I am ready to make a purchase and these specs are very important to me. Thank you

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    Vain K: Hi, thank you for reaching out to Samsung technical support. Your chat was transferred to me and I will be glad to assist you. Please allow a couple of minutes, while I review the previous chat to assist you better.

    Visitor: Hi, I am ready to make a purchase within the next few days on the UN48JU6700FXZA

    Visitor: I understand it has HDMI 2.0 but doe those ports have 4:4:4 chroma?

    Visitor: aka 4k@60hz

    Vain K: I understand that you want to know if the TV mentioned by you has 4:4:4 chroma. Is that correct?

    Visitor: yes

    Vain K: Thank you for confirming.

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    Visitor: sure

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    Visitor: Its presale now it ships the 9th of this month. USA

    Vain K: Thank you for the information.

    Visitor: I have to step away from my PC but if you could leave me a yes or no answer as to if this set does support 4:4:4 chroma I would be very appreciative

    Vain K: I have checked the information for you

    Vain K: I see that the UN48JU6700FXZA does not support 4:4:4 choma.

    Vain K: The 4:4:4 chroma is supported by only HU model TVs.

    Visitor: ok thank you

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    Samsung SPOT (Smart Personal Online Training) offers real-time Samsung support with a product expert through live video chat. visit us at Samsung SPOT Our hours of operation(currently) are: Monday to Friday / 10am to 7pm EDT.
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  19. Nenu

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    It might be worth asking what HDMI 2.0 brings to these TVs.
    If not 4:4:4, what do they support?
     
  20. SixFootDuo

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    Well, apparently all of Samsung's new 2015 Ultra HD 4K sets ... DO NOT support 4:4:4 chroma

    You've been warned.
     
  21. qkslvr221

    qkslvr221 Limp Gawd

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    Not what I was told at all [​IMG]
     
  22. Wag

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    Can you specify what you mean? The Titan cannot support HDMI 2.0 spec properly. At least it cannot do 4:4:4, even with the latest driver.
     
  23. MistaSparkul

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    Heres the problem. Maybe it does support 4:4:4, but does it do so at 3840x2160 AND at 60hz? It could be possible it only supports 4:4:4 at 30hz and 4:2:0 at 60hz just like the majority of Samsung's 2014 UHD TVs. Only the HU8550 and HU9000 supported full 4:4:4 at 60hz UHD.
     
  24. qkslvr221

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    That was in reference to your questions regarding the price and HDMI 2.0 spec, which were already answered earlier in the thread.

    This definitely might be the case. I asked for some kind of technical reference, but they were unwilling to offer anything but a quick-start manual (not helpful at all).

    The 120hz factor is also in question with all the "CRM" interpolation nonsense they put into these, so I'm holding off until we have some kind of engineer response or tech manual.
     
  25. x3sphere

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    Better wait until someone actually tests it. Samsung CS is clueless when it comes to the whole 4:4:4 thing.
     
  26. Wag

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    From the manual it's pretty clear none of these TVs have a DP. I'll let someone else test it first for 4:4:4.

    At least this means we should start seeing more 40" curved displays for ~$800 street price.
     
  27. MistaSparkul

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    I don't get why only Panasonic chooses to implement DP in their TVs. If Samsung or Vizio or Sony or anybody else would do it then we wouldn't be having so much trouble over this 4:4:4 issue. If Panasonic keeps DP in thier 2015 UHD TVs and has more affordable options then looks like that'll be my large 4k screen.
     
  28. seanclayton

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    Heh. The 2015 Panasonic models have abandoned displayport.
     
  29. MistaSparkul

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    Well that's just great:( guess I just gotta wait and see which TV manages to get proper 4:4:4 with the lowest input lag
     
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    Just bought a Vizio P series on Saturday. Could not be happier with it.
     
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    Now the question is how much time Samsung needs to take take such 40" 4K curved LCD panel, connect it to their existing 4K monitor electronics and put into nice encasing with narrow bezel. That would be a Holy Grail monitor, Samsung do you listen? :D
     
  32. Wag

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    I don't care at this point. If it has 4:4:4 support I'm buying the curved 40" one.
     
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    Will these have 1:1 scaling? I read that the phillips and seiki 40" 4k monitors have1:1.018 so the screen is 2% stretched or something
     
  34. Martha Stewart

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    you guys and you're wishful thinking :p


    I would be really surprised if this had 4:4:4 at that price. These are budget 4k TV's and not Samsung's high end line. I hope I am wrong though. I am in day 1 if they do support 4:4:4
     
  35. MistaSparkul

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    The JU7500 series is actually Samsung's high end line (Not including SUHD lineup) and the 40 inch can be had for $1400.
     
  36. SixFootDuo

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    I've used Samsung's chat tech support 3 times now and I keep getting a resounding no, none of these sets other than the very high end support 4:4:4 chroma.

    Not being satisfied, I called up up B&H that's selling the set this coming week and asked them about 4:4:4 chroma on these sets and some guy again told me no, no 4:4:4 chroma other than on their high-end.

    BUT ..... I know all this could actually means nothing as sometimes, things are not what people say.

    I guess we will see but so far, it's not looking good.
     
  37. DarkStar02

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    That is going to be really disappointing if not. :(
     
  38. wirk

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    Does the JU7500 belong to the very high-end line? Very serious question since if it has 4:4:4 and reasonable input lag this is my next 4K monitor.
     
  39. MistaSparkul

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    Well...no the JU7500 is not THE highest tier from Samsung as that would be the SUHD lineup, but it is the top of the line among the "normal" UHD series. But seriously if Samsung only puts 4:4:4 exclusively in the SUHD lineup then screw them I'll be looking to see if Vizio/LG/Panasonic can give me a ~40 inch 4k 4:4:4 for cheap.
     
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    I rather think JU7500 has the 4:4:4 support since if it would not have other sets from the high-end line would not have it too (same electronics). Besides, Samsung has to know that people will be tempted to connect computers to the 40". But overall, with the 40" curved panel available, 40" monitor should be following soon.