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New Samsung 4k for everyone.
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Resolution is one part of the puzzle. There's colors, contrast, etc. I will guarantee you that at 25ft, a 1080P OLED vs a 4KV VA, same size, same source, the OLED will look better in a double blind test.
But why are we arguing about this? If anyone wants to buy 4K monitors/TV's for viewing at 25ft, more power to them. Perception is reality. If they believe it's better, who's to argue that the person is wrong?
If this is meant to be serious please submit your eyes to science or better yet the vatican because they break the laws of physics.
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Here's another test for the 65UEJS9500 (not yet on digitalversus)
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/tv-televiseur/samsung-ue65js9500-p25479/test.html
not much new; similar contrast, color and input lag measurements we have already seen. only 150 local dimming zones is weak for a TV with such an astronomic price.
nice subpixels photo that shows it got exactly the same matrix as their smaller curved monitors
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/tv-televiseur/samsung-ue65js9500-p25479/test.html
not much new; similar contrast, color and input lag measurements we have already seen. only 150 local dimming zones is weak for a TV with such an astronomic price.
nice subpixels photo that shows it got exactly the same matrix as their smaller curved monitors
I made my decision whether to keep it or not....
Pictures is not great qality, taken with a iPad camera,
I can feel the PWM like I did with the Philips
Bummer. How how does PWM make you feel? Fatigue or headaches?
Have you tried any games on it? How's the motion on it?
Ok, I looked at that test more carefully and it warrants a more detailed reply.
Most importantly it's not a resolution test per se, but an on/off test. Use the aliased setting and notice the line "sparkles". This is a byproduct of the aliasing but you're not really "reading" the line (discerning res) but pixels blipping on and off quickly.
To "pass" such a test you need to be far enough away that you can't see lines of pixels turning on and off.
I feel that my eyes is getting more tired then when I was using my BL3201PT. Wih the Philips I used to get headche, but haven't got it yet with the Sammy.
Have no game installed now, but will try tomorrow, need to sleep soon.
I will try to remove the stand and have the display on the desk directly, because right now I can't push the display all the way back so it's a bit too close, if I remove the stand I should be able to push it + 16 cm back.
How's your blacklight? Hopefully it's not at 20! Try lowering it to 10 to see if it's PWM, or if it's because it's too bright. Also, since you have the BL3201, can you do a quick comparison on the clarity, blacks, color, etc. between the two? Thanks!
It's was at 12 and I lowered it to 10, haven't messed with the other settings yet.
BL3201 had a bit better colors, and the blacks on it was pretty good even thought there was some AHVA glow, because the Benq had higher PPI and was more sharp I will have to spend some more time with this Sammy before I get used to the new PPI
The TV wouldn't connect to WiFi after 2 tries, supposedly because wrong password, but on the third try it worked.
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I'm glad you see the effect that I'm taking about.
Yes, but it's not a res test, and it's quite artificial.
Ironically I pulled a similar "trick" on someone when the tables were turned in this argument (I was claiming super high res does give a benefit on the desktop) some years back.
The reason why it's not a res test is that usually those test to a typical MTF (a certain contrast between points or whatever), whereas this this works down to almost no contrast (while the lines are full contrast).
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Hey, question.
I have a vast collection of MKV's ripped from my Bluray collection.
In Windows, obviously, you don't get the upconvert to 4k from 1080p. What method are some of you guys using to get the upconvert?
I have a vast collection of MKV's ripped from my Bluray collection.
In Windows, obviously, you don't get the upconvert to 4k from 1080p. What method are some of you guys using to get the upconvert?
Install Plex server. Download the Plex app for Tizen (Not sure if it's out yet, it's available on the non-Tizen Samsung), switch input to one that's not on PC mode (turn on all interpolation). Stream from there. Videos should look amazing.
All computer players do scaling and the "upconvert" is built into the scaling alg. Standard bicubic looks pretty decent, and it's not easy to do that much better.
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When my backlight was above 10, I can feel the fatigue after a few hours.
Lowering the backlight to 5 eliminated the fatigue. YMMV.
Higher res will reduce the effect.
Interesting. That supposedly goes against the logic that is PWM. More PWM = less backlight, vice versa.
The first one is a 2014 model, the second one should be fine unless you want 48".
I use your settings now and it feels good. It seems like it's better for the eyes.
Interesting.
So is it PWM or are you susceptible to the brightness which is known to cause fatigue? If it's not PWM, well, congrats!
Disagree. There's a reason why Samsung leads consistently in image quality. Their software, coupled with the way they design their panels, were designed to delivers better results than a "generic" bicubic upsampling. If that were the case, the Vizio should look as good as the Samsung, and that clearly is not the case. However, it's pretty easy to test this theory out. Anyone with a Samsung hooked to a PC can test A/B and see the results for yourself.
So is it PWM or are you susceptible to the brightness which is known to cause fatigue? If it's not PWM, well, congrats!
It seems to be PWM
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You can also increase gamma a bit ( 1 / 3 ) to give you a bit more contrast
I use Windows 8.1 and do not see that issue. That's a strange one. I wonder if it's because Windows 7 can't handle 4K resolution?
Sure windows can handle that res, and I did not have such problem on my Benq.
Samsung looks better because it has better colors and other processing. Most video processing is about adjusting those curves, sharpness, noise reduction, etc.
I'm also talking about computer scaling where it's more or less a solved problem. If you believe samsung does something superior, please demonstrate it.
PC Mode, UHD Color?
Do you have a Samsung?
Yes, yes.
This is an interesting effect worth expanding on.
I mentioned earlier different types of tracking in videos, and how motion tracking (that blurbusters crusade on) doesn't apply to most video shots. The same is true for games.
In FPS/TPS games the game camera emulates your field of vision and you mostly look ahead. Compare that to a Pacman type game where the screen is fixed and your eyes follow the pacman--that's where the "multiple image" PWM effect becomes visible.
What's more interesting is that if you consider adding motion blur to CG games to make them look continuous/realistic, the FPS case is relatively simple: blur everything that moves. Ironically displays with some persistence ("blur") do this an a side effect, and in this case a desirable one. Something like Lightboost only makes the game look jerky (like an animated graphic novel) unless FPS is quite high.
However in a pacman game where your eyes (and frame of reference) follow the character around the screen, it's the character which must remain unblurred and everything else which should be.
So maybe all the nerd chasing after blurbuster perfection are just playing pacman or some ufo based derivative?
I've been to stores that sell TVs. What I've noticed is that Vizio or other lesser brands tend to have less aggressive dynamic video processing which don't stretch out the colors/constrast and all that stuff which makes video look "good" (and desktops look hideous).
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Sounds almost like you're describing blur, particularly the second part about the text becoming fuzzy when in motion. Keep in mind the pixel response of these panels, being VA, will probably be a little slower than your IPS BenQ.
What do you mean when you say the window shakes when you drag it around, though? Can you post a close-up vid of you dragging a window around so we can see what you're talking about?
Sounds like you agree that Samsung uses a superior video processor.
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Mine showed up today. Just had enough time to connect it and check for defects. I didn't see anything, but the remote only works to power on/off the set and none of the other keys work. Thankfully a USB keyboard works to drive the set and all the functions are exposed.
Anyone else have a non functional remote?
Anyone else have a non functional remote?
The processor should be off in PC mode anyway, which is rather the point of this thread.
OK, I just tested Youtube on SmartHub vs Youtube on a browser. Night and day difference in color, contrast, judder, etc. Youtube on SmartHub has all options turned on, which means SmartHub itself is its own input setting. Try it out and tell me if you're not impressed (just hit SmartHub regardless if you're on HDMI1 or not).
That means we need to be able to view 4K videos through a non-PC mode HDMI input or hopefully streamed through Plex when it's available. If you've been watching 4K in PC Mode on a browser, you're not doing this TV justice. No wonder it doesn't look as good as my F8500. PC Mode is gimped mode for video.
That means we need to be able to view 4K videos through a non-PC mode HDMI input or hopefully streamed through Plex when it's available. If you've been watching 4K in PC Mode on a browser, you're not doing this TV justice. No wonder it doesn't look as good as my F8500. PC Mode is gimped mode for video.