SV = spectraview, comes with a calibrator and spectraview software.I found the NEC LCD2490WUXi for sale at a store that delivers to California and I can pick it up myself.
But, they have two variants: LCD2490WUXIBKSV ($1,224) and LCD2490WUXI-BK ($1,089). Does anyone know if there's a difference between these other than the price? The fact that the more expensive one has only 1 unit in stock suggests it's somewhat odd. Perhaps the hooded version?
Thanks Interesting. I am tempted to subscribe just to read the whole article.I'll try to post a tiny quote...
The reviewer says about calibrated 2490WUXi: "Wow, that looks like a print".
Regarding color space for pros. The article features a part of an interview with Karl Lang. I am paraphrasing the reported conclusion: until the whole industry (hardware and software) adopts 10-bit presentation, a pro should use an sRGB display as a primary and a wide gamut display as a secondary. In case of a single screen it's highly recommended that it is sRGB.
The article is dated May, 2008.
(Contains also a receipt on how to calibrate the 2690WUXi for optimal results).Rodney's report on Lang's seminar at PPE (originally posted on LL):
"It was a great session! I learned a lot. Hopefully Karl will release the results of this on his site in about a month or so. The three NECs (2490, 2690 and LED) get spectacular reviews from Karl. If you need an sRGB display, the 2490 got very high quality results from the testing Karl did with very expensive spectroradiometer, something like 9000 patch samples and custom software of his design. The wider gamut display I have (2690) would do better with a colorimeter that has filters mated to the unit. It was off about 500K which is still pretty darn good. The LED was top of the heap (and it IS mated with a special filter set in an EyeOne for it's chromaticity). But you have to be using the SpectraView II software to drive the units (at a cost of a few hundred bucks with the puck, a no brainier). I really love the 2690 since its a one button affair once I setup my calibration target values. For those who like super color geek features and lots of buttons, extra costs and complexity, this isn't for you (there's that other product ). If you want a system that works wonderfully and easily and produces some stellar results, backed up by a guy who builds color reference systems, this is bomb.
Karl explained his testing procedures and showed all the plots which were extremely interesting and easy to digest. He said these newer displays finally bring us closer to what we had with the best of the reference CRT displays of the past. A great session."
In North America there is no difference between the SV and non SV monitors. They are absolutely identical. The only difference is the SV version is bundled with the SV software and colorimeter.Hmm, I've been reading the recent 2690 thread and had a question - is there any conclusive reason (beyond the bundled calibrator) to buy the SpectraView version over the "plain" version in North America? Ie. is there any difference in warranty or panel quality?
Thanks for your replay first of all.This is a huge disappointment the monitor is actuallyI have no experience with refurbished either, but I would look at the unit closely.
After "repacking", was it still in silver plastic bag?
The unit must look clean, accurate, cables "factory" folded and unused.
SV kit? The CD must look unopened, no fingerprints.
The first SV calibration will tell you the number of hours on this unit (unless the "meter" is "reburbished" too - joke, don't get crazy).
Then you check it with power on.
Smooth backlight, no dead pixels, colors look normal, no blur on text, the unit follows commands from OSD.
Perform testing calibration. See if it works. If everything is OK - no problem...
YES, I have tested my monitor in a different house (a friend of mine), with different hardware (different computer), and waves were still visible. Tested with DVI-D input.
In my friend's house, only DVI, but in my house with D-Sub too.
I have tested the issue even with different cables, and the problem persists.
My test results:
20WGX2 with DVI cable (my computer) -> No waves
20WGX2 with VGA cable (my computer) -> No waves
2490WUXi with DVI cable (my computer) -> Waves
2490WUXi with DVI cable (my friend's computer) -> Waves
2490WUXi with D-Sub cable (my computer) -> Waves, but they are a bit more subtle
I appreciate your interest on my problem, but it seems my problem has no solution And I don't want to start a fight against NEC (I have made many calls to the service center and I'm so tired). According to the service center, the monitor was already "repaired" at the service center (french technicians adjusted some settings on the service menu)... Judge yourself.
FWIW, I got mine from CDW, and I did it solely because of their well respected return policy. Spending $1000+ on a monitor, I wanted to have no hassles if I had to return it. I had bought a Planar PX2611W prior and, as it happened, that unit had multiple issues. The return experience was absolutely painless and I replaced the Planar with the LCD2490WUXi and I was lucky enough to get a perfect example without any issues (no pixel, backlight or any other cosmetic issues that would ruin the LCD experience). If it hadn't been perfect, I would have returned it and I know CDW would have made the return experience excellent again...I recommend them and the 2490WUXi highly!avatar[djedi];1034350347 said:So is there anywhere in the US that I can buy the NEC 2490WUXi from that has a good return policy/dead pixel policy? I don't mind paying a few more dollars for a no dead pixel policy.(I'm in atlanta, ga if it matters at all).
I'm primarily interested in great color reproduction and games. 2 frames input lag is certainly good enough for me. Any better recomendations? The NEC 2490WUXi seems like best of breed (and the only con is the hefty price tag).
Yes, I have the monitor now connected via a DVI-D cable to the DVI-D input, and waves are visible too... My case is like an episode from the X-Files series I can't believe I'm the only one on this forum suffering this issue! And it's a shame, because other than that issue, the monitor is perfect (but it's "imperfect" for this issue, obviously). I will have to live with it. If you require more information, please let me know... ThanksSurly73 said:I've asked a couple of times if you used the DVI-D ONLY (Not the DVI-I) input as part of this test. This would be absolutely necessary to ensure that somehow you aren't using analog signaling carried on the DVI-I. (unless of course your DVI cable is DVI-D only).
Hmm,Anyone? i bet i can get my blacks better not that is bad but still i can notice the low contrast
the lagom test detect 261 (i'm not a photographer neither i print often) for now so i need
the best settings for movies,games,surfing etc for now.Maximum (blacks,contrast)
Would love hear some suggestions or a short guide
Thanks! dude ill try that should i change the black level also?The question is what did you do? It is hard to get that low without trying very hard. Did you set a target brightness of something low like 80 cd/m2 ??
My contrast is consistently ~700 before calibration and just a little less after:
Find the factory reset and do that. Make sure you don't have "low brightness mode" on.
Turn off colorcomp.
If you have a Older SV software like I do, I find it better because instead of a target brightness you can choose manual mode and turn down brightness to a minimum. This enables maximum contrast.
Have a look at the discussion with Surly who was having similar issues:
Black level is correct at default (don't remember the value). If you make it lower you don't make black blacker, you just add more black crush.Thanks! dude ill try that should i change the black level also?
Pretty much all monitors do this. First of all you would have to have a video card that will produce 24fps output, a software player that will output 24fps, and a monitor that accepted 24Hz input, and the monitor would have to convert it to even multiple of 24fps. Name one monitor that does this that isn't a TV?I read in the prad review that this monitor converts 24p to 60hz, causing 24p movies to have motion judder... anyone can second this? is there a solution to fix this?
Yes its possible there is no reason to worrie.Hi,
Is hardware calibration still possible with the European NEC MultiSync 2490WUXi2?
(Supposing I manage to get the NEC SpectraView II software.)
In that case, is the X-Rite i1 Display 2 colorimeter compatible?
Apart from the higher contrast ratio (1000:1 vs 800:1), is there any significant difference between the 2490WUXi and the 2490WUXi2 ?
Many thanks for your help.
No way to fix it. You will have to live with the judder (!= the effect of the low temporal resolution of the source material). But there are very few computer displays that can display refreshrates != 60Hz correctly. The 2490 is no LCD-TV alternative (and doesn't want to be that). Ironically the cheap Acer B223W (TN-Panel) was (to name one example) quite flexible in this relation.I read in the prad review that this monitor converts 24p to 60hz, causing 24p movies to have motion judder... anyone can second this? is there a solution to fix this?
In addition (because I can't think of a 480p signal with a DAR and SAR of 3:2) : The 2490 assumes always square pixels per default so you have to use the custom settings for scaling also with 480p (4:3 DAR, 3:2 SAR) signals and of course the already mentioned 480p (16:9 DAR, 3:2 SAR) signals. Which is absolute trouble-free.If it's the 3:2 ratio 480p it will do it properly in aspect mode. If it's the 16:9 mode, you have to set it as a custom scaling in the monitor's OSD for that specific mode.
If it's the 3:2 ratio 480p it will do it properly in aspect mode. If it's the 16:9 mode, you have to set it as a custom scaling in the monitor's OSD for that specific mode.
According to NEC it should.
I should have been more clear. What Toasty is saying is what I wanted to talking about. I sent back my 2007 unit because of a broken OSD button and received a late 2008 refurb 2490wuxi that still tears at 480P resolution.I found that 480p had tearing on the original 2490. Did they ever fix that?
I would be very interested in such comparison!Have anyone actually received the 2490WUXi2 yet and can do a side by side comparison with the original?