Mass Effect 3 SPOILERS THREAD

If you don't console him through several stages over the death of his former lover, he dies in the crash in London.

If you help him cope with it (doesn't need to be a romance), then he lives through the crash.

Talk to him after every mission, help him place a memorial at the spot on the Citadel, etc etc.

You don't need to talk to him every mission. Just everytime he changes location in the cargo bay. In fact Samantha Traynor will really tell you when you need to talk to him. And besides that, there is a time where you see him watching his dead husbands good bye communication over and over again. It's so damned annoying because it won't stop until you talk to him.

buting weapon upgrades, using the store, modding weapons or even selecting armor mods / colors etc. has you down in the shuttle bay a lot. So you really can't ignore him too much.

Finally sat through the Indoctrination Theory video in its entirety...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck

And the biggest thing that stood out to me - over everything else - are the trees/bushes from his dreams when Shep is walking towards the beam. They weren't there before he got knocked out. It's just too fine of a detail, too exact, too intentional to be anything else. The other things - oily shadows mentioned by the Rachnii Queen. The obviously renegade final option between shown as a paragon option. Anderson beating Shep to the console even though they both had to have been on the same path - in fact, judging by the radio conversation, when Anderson sees the door, I was in a spot *TO SEE* where Anderson would have first seen the door from. But he wasn't there.

When I first played through it, I just thought... WOW, there are SO MANY DAMN HOLES IN THIS. I was annoyed throughout the whole ending - because I noticed these problems, and since Shep didn't see these blatant problems, I assumed they were plot holes. Any person thinking even somewhat rationally would notice them. But not somebody who's indoctrinated - like Shep. I really wonder if Bioware isn't just trolling us now.

And maybe the reason they're not denying it (until the extended DLC comes out) is because they want everybody to finish it first. They want as many people to have been indoctrinated as possible. This is a hell of a way to make a buzz - TONS of negative attention, followed by a 'HOLY CRAP THAT WAS AWESOME' ending.

Time to put on my tinfoil hat.......................

BioWare has a huge potential cash cow on their hands. There are Mass Effect Paragon and Renegade cuff links. EA won't let BioWare kill off the franchise as they've done. Even if BioWare attempted to sneak one past them with the current ending, EA will overrule them and force change on them. If there is one thing EA knows how to do it's make money and there is a shit ton more cash to be made here.

Personally I think the ending was left the way it is to generate controversy on purpose, but it's so vague and so full of plot holes. I think that imagery in the ending, and the dream sequences in the game are actually designed to allow BioWare to pull the "it was all a dream card" and then do Mass Effect 4 however they like. Not necessarily with Shepard, but in general. Prequels suck. We've analyzed this possibility to death. Nothing good can come of it on any regular basis. The only way through is foward. I think this was done because the original story arc didn't allow for forward continuation and the game as a whole wasn't designed for it. So this, combined with the looming deadline forced BioWare's hand to do things the way they did.

They had to buy time to figure out how to milk this franchise further. That's all this probably is. I'll be shocked if that's not how this plays out in the long run. We'll see. It may have to wait until Mass Effect 4 launches before we truly know how this all ends up working. Even the "Extended Cut" DLC may not provide real answers. BioWare released the Arrival to bridge the gap between Mass Effect 2 and 3. I'm not sure they knew how to transition between the two the way they did ME2, and decided this was how they were going to do it. It was also a back door plot setup for indoctrination and dream sequences. I'm not saying indoctrination theory is right entirely, I think half the connections people see aren't valid, but some of them are too hard to ignore.

But mostly, I just don't think EA will let it end this way no matter what. It's a huge waste of a money making opportunity. Mass Effect's controversy in the long run has done nothing but help it overall. I think this stunt is just that, and the pay off for EA and BioWare is around the corner. Somewhere. We just don't have all the right context yet.

I thought for a long time that something was going on at the ending that isn't necessarily obvious. BioWare made me doubt this. I tried to hold out hope, yet BioWare kept making statements that made me doubt.

I'm starting to get back to the point where I think something else is going on. I really hope it's the indoctrination theory. We are getting free DLC after all.

The first time I saw the initial dream sequence I thought to myself; "Jesus Christ I hope they don't do some is it real or all a dream bullshit at the end." There is something that doesn't fit about the dream sequences and the ending once you go into the conduit beam. The dream sequences are also just guilt. The only people who speak in them are those who have died along your journey and Harbinger. Also the description of these dreams match the Rachni Queens description of "oily shadows" all too well.

God, I wish Karpyshyn had stayed on as a writer. This ending would have been epic. Not a "happily ever after", but a "and once the conflict ended, the real work began". Instead, we got some space magic BS. Oh, what could have been :(.

I do too, but as I said before the original story arc left no potential to continue past a third game. I think EA stepped in, saw the gold mine that this franchise could become and decided to maximize the game's potential for commercial success. (That last part sound familiar? It was taken from EA/BioWare's statement about the game's initial delay.)

The trees are there before though, while running to the beam.

There are no shrubberies in the middle of the street when you are running to the beam. There are plants and trees all over London, but not in the same places they are after your hit. The shrubberies are the same ones found in the dream sequences. And again, none of these shrubs are in the path that everyone is moving down before the beam hits. Why would they be there after?

I hate to ask this but which direction do you go in to destroy the reapers? I finished the game but picked the wrong direction I wanted to destroy the reapers. I went to the middle. Do you take the right or left to destroy the reapers?:confused:

Right. Always bet on red.

So I was thinking about ways the game could have ended that would have been awesome. I'm conflicted on whether or not a sad "Shepard saves the day but dies at the end" would work. Obviously, he'd have to die in a way that doesn't involve space magic beams. Shepard himself isn't really a tragic figure though, so I'm not sure it'd be setup to work or not. While thinking about that though, I stumbled upon a picture (not sure what fan made it, I'd love to give credit where due though) in one of their forum threads. It isn't perfect, there's some oddities in it, but it's well done.

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My "canon" LI was Liara, so that probably added to it, but this picture floored me. I stared at it for a couple minutes. This fan made picture, with no explanation, no back story, no nothing...made me feel more emotion than the entire actual ending.

There's just so many ways the ending could have been better.

Actually, the guy who did that make a video of it. Fully rendered and everything. I only saw the FemShep version though. I'm not sure how he did it as the models look almost like they were pulled from the game. I also noticed that many people who post videos and pictures like this one, opt to use that outfit for Liara as well. I always put her in that one too. I don't really care for her default outfit.
 
Dan_D said:
Personally I think the ending was left the way it is to generate controversy on purpose

On that note, have you seen the supposed new ad EA is emailing people?

http://i.imgur.com/Ikg4Q.jpg

I have a hard time believing it's real. The quote is real for sure, but I really hope the image isn't. Some people have said they've gotten an email from EA containing that picture, but I haven't heard it from anybody I trust. I'm incredibly curious if anybody around here got it.
 
You wouldn't purposely generate controversy unless you had something else planned.

Unless you're just a troll, I guess.
 
You wouldn't purposely generate controversy unless you had something else planned.

Unless you're just a troll, I guess.

Capcom did it and admitted to it when they had Ninja Theory change Dante's hair colour in the new Devil May Cry game.
 
You wouldn't purposely generate controversy unless you had something else planned.

Unless you're just a troll, I guess.

I dunno, I have a hard time believing this is some elaborate ploy, especially given the wording of the EC FAQs. It doesn't leave much open. I guess I have to believe it if I want to keep any hope alive for a decent conclusion. I don't follow their angle though if that's the case.
 
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On that note, have you seen the supposed new ad EA is emailing people?

http://i.imgur.com/Ikg4Q.jpg

I have a hard time believing it's real. The quote is real for sure, but I really hope the image isn't. Some people have said they've gotten an email from EA containing that picture, but I haven't heard it from anybody I trust. I'm incredibly curious if anybody around here got it.

It's real, I got that in my inbox earlier. Of course it's actually true to a large degree. It's just that the response wasn't overwhelmingly positive. Quite the opposite. And if you read the actual Entertainment Weekly article, it does paint a positive picture and essentially acuses anyone who doesn't like the ending of having poor taste when it comes to things like art and entertainment. I quote:

"But accusing BioWare of letting you down — you personally, you the most important person in the universe — is ridiculous. Mass Effect was their story. This is how they chose to end it. Saying that you were let down is justified. Arguing that you deserve more is just entitlement. If you made it to the end of Mass Effect 3, then BioWare supplied you with over a hundred hours of videogame amusement, and you experienced a franchise which — in small ways and large — pushed the whole notion of videogame storytelling forward. If you feel like all that time spent with the game was wasted because you didn’t like the last few minutes… Well, no offense, but your perspective on art and the human experience kind of stinks."


Seems to me that people fit into one of two camps on the ending. Those who liked it and call it art, and everyone else who says it's total shit. Not everyone is demanding it be changed. Many people just hated the ending and will move on with their lives not thinking too much about it. For the rest of us with multiple playthroughs and tons of hours and emotional investment in the characters, the ending is a huge slap in the face with huge, fat, hairy, unwashed prison yard penis.
 
Seems to me that people fit into one of two camps on the ending. Hipsters who did not understand it and call it art, and everyone else who gets it says it's total shit. Not everyone is demanding it be changed. Many people just hated the ending and will move on with their lives not thinking too much about it. For the rest of us with multiple playthroughs and tons of hours and emotional investment in the characters, the ending is a huge slap in the face with huge, fat, hairy, unwashed prison yard penis.

fixed that for you Dan:rolleyes:
 
It's real, I got that in my inbox earlier. Of course it's actually true to a large degree. It's just that the response wasn't overwhelmingly positive. Quite the opposite. And if you read the actual Entertainment Weekly article, it does paint a positive picture and essentially acuses anyone who doesn't like the ending of having poor taste when it comes to things like art and entertainment. I quote:

Thanks for confirming it. Good lord, this is getting outrageous. Half-truth advertising is nothing new, so I'm not surprised there. However, this spits in the face of their fanbase so much that it might as well have come with a trollface.jpeg attached to it.
 
Thanks for confirming it. Good lord, this is getting outrageous. Half-truth advertising is nothing new, so I'm not surprised there. However, this spits in the face of their fanbase so much that it might as well have come with a trollface.jpeg attached to it.

Yeah, the E-Mail tracks back to EA's marketing department. It's legit. Shit, but legit.

fixed that for you Dan:rolleyes:

Well I've tried to be nice about it, so as not to directly insult anyone. But yeah, for the most part people who liked the ending are into that wannabe intellectual garbage because they think it's deep or thought provoking. I'd wager that 9 times out of 10, any of these douche nozzles you'd talk to haven't a clue what all implications the ending has if you can take it at face value.

I'm sure someone can do better than I can.

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I'm not sure how he did it as the models look almost like they were pulled from the game.

3DStudio, Maya, and all those kind of programs know how to read DirectX mesh formats. They have to, as they are usually what is used to generate them. So you can pull the models, textures, and so on out of the data files and feed them in to your 3D software and then do as you please. Machinima types do it often. A random example that I quite like is the quasi-music video Blind. In this case not only do all the things that don't happen in WoW give it away, but the advanced animation and lighting reveal that a heavy hitting 3D program was behind it, the WoW engine can't handle that kind of thing.

Another case where it was mixed was South Park's WoW episode. Much of the stuff was shot on the test server for BC, just the animators controlling the characters (with the GMs keeping other people out). However the creators wanted more control for some scenes, more expressiveness, better animation, etc, so the models were pulled and it was rendered on South Park's servers for those scenes. They deliberately matched the rendering to the game as much as possible so there wasn't a noticeable transition, just that things that couldn't happen in game happened (like tossing a sword aside).

A talented computer artist with time and tools can use a game's own assets to create their own scenes.
 
I think people like the ending for one of a couple reasons: they like how it makes them feel emotionally and they try not to think about the plot holes, or they like it because they invented their own stories to make sense of it.

Either way, it's definitely not art.
 
Blender can read almost any format of 3D mesh file and its free wouldnt surprise me at all if that is what the guy used

I think people like the ending for one of a couple reasons: they like how it makes them feel emotionally and they try not to think about the plot holes, or they like it because they invented their own stories to make sense of it.

Either way, it's definitely not art.

it stopped being "art" when they tacked on the "BUY OUR DLC" message to the end....
 
Thanks for confirming it. Good lord, this is getting outrageous. Half-truth advertising is nothing new, so I'm not surprised there. However, this spits in the face of their fanbase so much that it might as well have come with a trollface.jpeg attached to it.

If the sales numbers are tanking like some people claim, then EA is using whatever means they can to get more sales out of the title.

They've already proven time and time again they'll lie when it suits them, so this move doesn't surprise me one bit.

They're desperate to offset the negative publicity, and a move like this will easily sucker in people who don't research and drink the EA Kool-Aid.
 
Fucking EA. I wouldnt put anything passed them right now. Ive been on vacation all week so I dont know if this has been posted here but have you guys seen this video of EA boss talking about charging BF3 players $1 to reload their guns?

These guys just get more evil by the day it seems. So I wouldnt put it passed them to do something like this just to piss everybody off for the publicity, I dont think they did it on purpose. I think they rushed BioWare for the ending and never thought we'd raise this much hell. We did and now theyre trying to turn it around on us. Theyre the victims here according to them.
 
I'm going to hold out hope that the EC is good. If it's the IT then I'll be very very impressed. If isn't but it still manages to fix the problems in the original ending, then I'll be satisfied. Please just don't let it suck!

In other news, I played around with a Batarian soldier with Kishock harpoon gun. This is a bitch to get the hang of after playing mostly infiltrator/adept, but it's crazy fun. Short to medium range is his game. No Geth. Cerberus is okay. He eats Reaper ass for breakfast.
 
still cant believe Forbes is the only one with the balls to call EA on there bullshit of late
im surprised Hard hasnt had an editorial on it yet
 
still cant believe Forbes is the only one with the balls to call EA on there bullshit of late
im surprised Hard hasnt had an editorial on it yet

I've thought about it, just not sure if Kyle would be interested in it.
 
Please do it im sure Kyle would understand
wouldnt be the first time you guys called the industry on there bullshit
 
I've thought about it, just not sure if Kyle would be interested in it.

He was pretty hard (no pun) on Crytek with Crysis 2. EA is shovelling a lot more bullshit than Crytek did. I bet he'd be up for a seething editorial on EA/BW.
 
I'm all for Kyle tossing the gunpowder keg into EA's penthouse suite & setting it aflame with a kickass editorial.
 
I've thought about it, just not sure if Kyle would be interested in it.

Most of the gaming sites that talk about this whole mess are in EA's pocket somehow, so none of them are telling the whole truth.

Forbes is one of the rare exceptions, but they aren't getting any $$$ from EA for advertising or paid reviews I expect since video games aren't really their thing.

It would be nice to see a site known for it's blunt honesty do even a small writeup that puts the truth out there. I'd love to read about it on a site like this that I know won't pull punches.

He did it for the Phantom console, and I think this deceptive BS that EA is doing would also be worth taking a poke at.
 
I just finished the game. I thought it was fitting, not too sure why so many people here are all up in arms. Anyways, I'll wait for the DLC thats supposed to add to the ending.
 
I just finished the game. I thought it was fitting, not too sure why so many people here are all up in arms. Anyways, I'll wait for the DLC thats supposed to add to the ending.

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Good post. Ofcourse, you could have read any number of posts in the very thread you posted in to see "why so many people here are all up in arms."
 
I just finished the game. I thought it was fitting, not too sure why so many people here are all up in arms. Anyways, I'll wait for the DLC thats supposed to add to the ending.

There is nothing fitting about the final act of the game. None of it even fits the Mass Effect universe much less does it any justice. If I took a giant shit on a paper plate and stuck a Shepard Action figure in it with a little flag that says "We won" and called it an ending I'd be well above the bar set by BioWare on this one.
 
Yes the ending wasn't anywhere near as good as I wanted, but still the experience as a whole was good.

It was a little weird for an ending, I agree.

I still enjoyed the game. People can keep hating though.
 
Yes the ending wasn't anywhere near as good as I wanted, but still the experience as a whole was good.

It was a little weird for an ending, I agree.

I still enjoyed the game. People can keep hating though.

Overall I enjoyed the game but the ending almost ruins the entire series. It certainly kills replay value for ME3 at the very least. All endings are pretty much the same shit sandwich.
 
Overall I enjoyed the game but the ending almost ruins the entire series. It certainly kills replay value for ME3 at the very least. All endings are pretty much the same shit sandwich.

Not for me but I didn't hate the ending as much as others. I liked the ending, I just wanted more information about what happened. I've said before, I loved the scenes of Shepard giving his life in all 3 options with the music and everything and it wrenches my gut everytime I see it. I have NEVER felt a tug at my heart from a video game. Never. That fact alone, that I can become that emotionally invested in a VIDEO GAME for fuck sake, speaks to the greatness of this series. I just wanted more info as what happens after Shep dies.

I'm not saying its all perfect but its not a deal breaker. I just started my 3rd playthru and still sat there outside the committee hearing room watching that Reaper walk around and soaking in the scene and the atmosphere. This is my all time favorite game. The ending not being up to snuff isn't enough to change that. With a great ending I'd give this game a 98% rating. With the crappy ending I give it a 95% rating.
 
The ending is a bit emotional. I wonder if BIoWare's intent was to just create an emotional end to the story in lieu of a coherent one.

If this were the case you'd think we'd have gotten the option of a happy ending, though. I also suspect there are gaping holes so that we can invent our own stories and role play. Eh, this doesn't do much for replayability. I want to replay it, yet I don't because of the depressing ending. I hope the EC is quality.
 
The ending is a bit emotional. I wonder if BIoWare's intent was to just create an emotional end to the story in lieu of a coherent one.

If this were the case you'd think we'd have gotten the option of a happy ending, though. I also suspect there are gaping holes so that we can invent our own stories and role play. Eh, this doesn't do much for replayability. I want to replay it, yet I don't because of the depressing ending. I hope the EC is quality.

I don't know about a happy endind dude. Watching this character that I've lived thru for a few hundred hours, die right in front of me is definitely moving. Don't think seeing Shepard sitting on a beach with Tali would have the same effect ya know.
 
I don't know about a happy endind dude. Watching this character that I've lived thru for a few hundred hours, die right in front of me is definitely moving. Don't think seeing Shepard sitting on a beach with Tali would have the same effect ya know.

We should have the option of a happy ending. Even if we never get that, by itself that's not a bad thing necessarily but the ending blows as is. We leave the galaxy in a state just as bad if not worse than if we had done nothing at all.

The ending needs more than fucking clarity. The entire final act is sub-par for the series. Don't even get me started on the fucking Starchild.
 
The ending didn't move me in the slightest. Shepard dying to stop the reapers? Potentially awesome. The picture I referenced earlier was a good indication a sacrificial ending could have been emotional. But Shepard dying to dissolve himself into magic space dust that somehow turns everything into half robot? I was in far too much disbelief to even remotely care about Shepard sacrificing himself, since the end result of his sacrifice was absurd.
 
I also suspect there are gaping holes so that we can invent our own stories and role play.

Weird, a lot of my role play revolves around gaping holes as well. Wanna role play together some time bro?
 
Overall I enjoyed the game but the ending almost ruins the entire series. It certainly kills replay value for ME3 at the very least. All endings are pretty much the same shit sandwich.

This I strongly agree. The moment I beat the game I had no desire to replay it :/
 
The ending didn't move me in the slightest. Shepard dying to stop the reapers? Potentially awesome. The picture I referenced earlier was a good indication a sacrificial ending could have been emotional. But Shepard dying to dissolve himself into magic space dust that somehow turns everything into half robot? I was in far too much disbelief to even remotely care about Shepard sacrificing himself, since the end result of his sacrifice was absurd.

Well put sir.

Though I was emotional about the ending. I was pissed off. They gave us this deus ex machina non-sensical garbage ending?
 
I don't know why but I just can't get super pissed off about this ending. I want to be raging and calling for the deaths of BioWare and all that but I just can't. I've got HUNDREDS of hours of pure gaming Nirvana from the Mass Effect games. The crappy ending just isn't enough to make me have a nervous breakdown. Not that I'm knocking you guys that are raising all the hell. Because of you guys we get an extended ending and who knows, maybe even more so rock on but I just can't get there with ya.

Weird, a lot of my role play revolves around gaping holes as well. Wanna role play together some time bro?

WAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :D. Epic!
 
The part where Anderson dies and the music's playing is legit. Shep presumably dies soon after that. Galaxy saved, game over, and job well done. Give us some info on how everything turned out for the squad and the rest of the galaxy. Most people would be golden with the ending.

I just rewatched the ending on youtube for like the 50th time. The starchild bit definitely doesn't belong. Why the anomaly? Transition to another game? This part should have obviously been cut. I hope it's just an illusion or hallucination.

Weird, a lot of my role play revolves around gaping holes as well. Wanna role play together some time bro?

Quality.
 
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