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Mass Effect 3 Discussion Thread

Only if you make a specific choice during the end mission, otherwise 4k is fine.
 
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For reference, I was able to get the "best" ending without playing a shred of MP, so it's certainly possible to get a high enough EMS without playing MP.
 
Q-BZ said:
How?

It's amazing how many mixed signals I'm seeing on this issue.,
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To be quite honest, I'm not entirely sure. I didn't exactly worry about that, and only noticed that I had a high enough score right before I started the cerberus base mission.

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. :/
 
Elios said:
also some funny things on that list you get MORE assets if you dont save the Council in ME1
also you get more if you killed the Raccin queen in 1
for 2 you get more if you rewrite the geth and if you didnt blow up the collector base

there are some things like this in 3 as well if your more ruthless youll end up with more assets lol
over all you get more if you screw the Krogan if you can keep some one a live
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Well right and wrong in Mass Effect is a matter of perspective. If you play through the games as both a renegade and a paragon, you'll find that some situations are easier one way or the other, and that Shepard's personality is ultimately about the same. The real difference comes down to attitude and methodology.

In some instances, the renegade stuff makes things easier on you and you should probably do that. In other instances you want to do it because it's funny. Other times you'd feel like an absolute shit bag for the decision. That's part of what makes the series great.

Funny thing. In ME2, if you take renegade responses to the two Asari sitting on the couch on the Citadel, you get into a huge argument with them. If Miranda is with you, she jumps in and it turns into a pretty funny shouting match. Ultimately they ened the conversation and you can go back to them and apologize, then either get back into an argument or help them. These particular Asari are snobs and it's pretty damned funny. In ME2 you can kill the guy working on the gunship when you are recruiting Archangel. This drops the gunship down to 50% armor / shields. Well worth taking 5 points to do that on the harder difficulty settings as the gunship can be a chore to deal with. Not impossible, but challenging.

I haven't played around with the renegade / paragon options as much in ME3 as I've only been through this game all the way once. But so far most of the ones I've taken ultimately amount to Shepard's behavior being slightly different. Take it during one of the earlier interrupts and instead of walking away from an asshole, he/she turns back around and verbally lets them have it. Well deserved in the instance but ultimately it's not that big a difference. In some cases it's the difference between Shepard taking the shot and someone else doing it for them.

I will warn you, ultimately some of what Shepard does if you go renegade with the circumstances is pretty hard to watch at times.
 
TheOneKnownAsMe said:
To be quite honest, I'm not entirely sure. I didn't exactly worry about that, and only noticed that I had a high enough score right before I started the cerberus base mission.

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. :/
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I think my numbers are good enough. If not, that's what youtube is for. Here goes nuthin'...
 
I'm surprised how many folks are playing for a particular ending. I've always thought of these games as play them how you want and the results you get should happen organically. At least during the first playthrough.
 
drako said:
I'm surprised how many folks are playing for a particular ending. I've always thought of these games as play them how you want and the results you get should happen organically. At least during the first playthrough.
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That's part of the reason why people are so angry about the ending. There's literally a single "best" ending, which really isn't all that different from the other two. All of the possible endings are so similar that it's not really worth the effort to go through another playthrough just for a different ending due to the similarities between them.
 
http://blog.brentknowles.com/2012/03/11/mass-effect-3-and-day-one-dlc/#disqus_thread
interesting post from the former lead dev of DA:O

I read one recent blog post where the writer basically said "the ending was awesome because it was just like a movie" and I think she was missing the point.

It is a game. Not a movie.

And more specifically, its a role-playing game. The players are *part* of the game. Part of the process of building and experiencing the game, much more so than with most other forms of entertainment.

Entitlement is really a right, for the gamer, because they have participated, actively, in the game itself.

Again, I can't speak to the actual ending myself, because I have not played it but in generally I'd say a Role-Playing Video Game Trilogy Ending should (try to) do the following:

1. Reward the player's choices throughout the series. The big stuff they did should be noted. They should *feel* like they had a unique impact on the world.

2. End on a positive note. This is really important for video games... life in general is full of shitty stuff happening all the time. When I invest a hundred hours into a game I need to walk away feeling like a hero.

When you waste a couple hours of a person's life with an artsy/depressing movie or short story or even a novel, it is more forgivable because the time spent is less. And presumably the consumer knew what they were going into when they started. Certain directors create certain styles of movie. Certain writers write specific types of fiction.

On the other hand somebody playing an epic role-playing video-game trilogy is going to *expect* to be the hero and save the universe. That's why they are playing the game. When expectations don't match reality, disappointment is created.

It might be an artistic/creative move to go with a different style of ending but I feel its the wrong choice, especially for a video game *trilogy*. Make your middle game bleak if you want to, but end the series on a high note.
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Dan_D said:
Well right and wrong in Mass Effect is a matter of perspective. If you play through the games as both a renegade and a paragon, you'll find that some situations are easier one way or the other, and that Shepard's personality is ultimately about the same. The real difference comes down to attitude and methodology.

In some instances, the renegade stuff makes things easier on you and you should probably do that. In other instances you want to do it because it's funny. Other times you'd feel like an absolute shit bag for the decision. That's part of what makes the series great.

Funny thing. In ME2, if you take renegade responses to the two Asari sitting on the couch on the Citadel, you get into a huge argument with them. If Miranda is with you, she jumps in and it turns into a pretty funny shouting match. Ultimately they ened the conversation and you can go back to them and apologize, then either get back into an argument or help them. These particular Asari are snobs and it's pretty damned funny. In ME2 you can kill the guy working on the gunship when you are recruiting Archangel. This drops the gunship down to 50% armor / shields. Well worth taking 5 points to do that on the harder difficulty settings as the gunship can be a chore to deal with. Not impossible, but challenging.

I haven't played around with the renegade / paragon options as much in ME3 as I've only been through this game all the way once. But so far most of the ones I've taken ultimately amount to Shepard's behavior being slightly different. Take it during one of the earlier interrupts and instead of walking away from an asshole, he/she turns back around and verbally lets them have it. Well deserved in the instance but ultimately it's not that big a difference. In some cases it's the difference between Shepard taking the shot and someone else doing it for them.

I will warn you, ultimately some of what Shepard does if you go renegade with the circumstances is pretty hard to watch at times.
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wasnt saying you have to play one way or the other but i just thought it interesting that your more rewarded for being ruthless in ME3 were for the most part in 1 and 2 you really wanted to be pure paragon

mind you Bioware did have there own "cannon" in which things are a bit odd... at lest to me like Wrex is dead
 
Jellylesg said:
Doesn't matter. One of the many disappointing revelations the end-game comes with. It's just another "big choice" that actually has zero repurcussions.
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I'm there now. I'm about to make my choice. Dan says bet on red. I'm not sure about that one. That's the renegade choice...

This is a tough one but there's one choice here that definitely "fits" Shepherd the most that I think I'm going to do...

Spoilers:
http://n4g.com/news/956032/mass-effect-3-endings-guide

I'm looking that over. I'm going to get my EMS up to 5000 to be safe. Unfortunately, at the end there's no war room for me to see how many more EMS points I got so a good few rounds in MP ought to put my 4547 over the top I would think.
 
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Q-BZ said:
I'm there now. I'm about to make my choice. Dan says bet on red. I'm not sure about that one. That's the renegade choice...

This is a tough one but there's one choice here that definitely "fits" Shepherd the most that I think I'm going to do...

Spoilers:
http://n4g.com/news/956032/mass-effect-3-endings-guide

I'm looking that over. I'm going to get my EMS up to 5000 to be safe. Unfortunately, at the end there's no war room for me to see how many more EMS points I got so a good few rounds in MP ought to put my 4547 over the top I would think.
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your being fooled
the colors are a red herring pun intended
look at who is represented to each choice
 
i think there is some thing to it that they try to talk you out of the right one
by making sound like the worst one
 
So you have to play Multiplayer to get the best ending? I hope not cause I have virtually zero interest in any MP so I guess Ill be stuck with watching Youtube for the best endings.

2. End on a positive note. This is really important for video games... life in general is full of shitty stuff happening all the time. When I invest a hundred hours into a game I need to walk away feeling like a hero.
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I also very much agree with this. Games are therapeutic to me and Im sure most other gamers. I enjoy playing them because they take me away from bills, 2 crappy jobs and the general drag of everyday life. I want to play them and ENJOY myself. I dont want to play a game and be depressed or feel generally bad. Life is full of shit like that already.
 
MacLeod said:
I also very much agree with this. Games are therapeutic to me and Im sure most other gamers. I enjoy playing them because they take me away from bills, 2 crappy jobs and the general drag of everyday life. I want to play them and ENJOY myself. I dont want to play a game and be depressed or feel generally bad. Life is full of shit like that already.
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I agree but I think even more important than that is good stories need to have purpose and meaning to it all even if it doesn't end with "Cinderella lived happily ever after" necessarily.
 
No it doesnt have to be all happy and fuzzy but it still has to be "fulfilling" for lack of a better word. It has to be something that you sit back and go "well that was pretty cool and worth the 30 hours I just put into it" and not sit back and go "what the fuck was that?! Are you kidding me?! Abortions have better endings!"
 
MacLeod said:
No it doesnt have to be all happy and fuzzy but it still has to be "fulfilling" for lack of a better word. It has to be something that you sit back and go "well that was pretty cool and worth the 30 hours I just put into it" and not sit back and go "what the fuck was that?! Are you kidding me?! Abortions have better endings!"
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Agreed but again, it isn't over yet. We still have DLCs forthcoming. The jury is still technically out.
 
Im with you. I just posted in the spoiler thread that Im giving BioWare the benefit of the doubt here. Theyve given me way too many countless hours of gaming nirvana with ME1 and 2 that theyve earned the right to not be crucified at the first sign of a problem.
 
MacLeod said:
Im with you. I just posted in the spoiler thread that Im giving BioWare the benefit of the doubt here. Theyve given me way too many countless hours of gaming nirvana with ME1 and 2 that theyve earned the right to not be crucified at the first sign of a problem.
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Yup. I co-signed that post with you with a little addendum about the obvious day and age we live in of DLCs. Of course they aren't going to wrap it all up nice and neat in the main game. They want people to keep coming back with open wallets for DLCs. ;)

The jury is still techincally out. If Bioware had come out and said: "That's it, folks. We're done with this and no DLCs or anything else is coming out for ME3" then that's completely different.

Hopefully we'll get Overlord and Shadow Broker caliber DLCs, at least, and I suspect we will.
 
Like a moron, I deleted my save games from ME1 and 2 when I reinstalled my OS a few weeks ago so Im having to go back and play thru them to get my Shep back where I had him (but Im banging Liara this time). At first I was a little bummed even tho its fun to play them again, but after all this, Im actually glad. Ive got about another week left in ME2 before being done so hopefully by the time I get to ME3, there will be a lot more info out.
 
i will say it felt like a lot of things were cut
ie dialogs that just kinda of end its umm soo you going to do some thing or just sit here >.> and brood
 
MacLeod said:
Like a moron, I deleted my save games from ME1 and 2 when I reinstalled my OS a few weeks ago so Im having to go back and play thru them to get my Shep back where I had him (but Im banging Liara this time). At first I was a little bummed even tho its fun to play them again, but after all this, Im actually glad. Ive got about another week left in ME2 before being done so hopefully by the time I get to ME3, there will be a lot more info out.
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Save editors are your friends. :)


Otherwise, enjoy the replays. :) I may replay before long myself. Through the trilogy I've been mostly Saint Shephard the male.

On replay, I'm going to be as different as possible. That means it's time to bring out the Queen Bitch of the Galaxy Shepherd. ;)
 
OH not spoiler but when you go to the Asari home world take ether Javic or Garrus LOLZ ensue
 
Q-BZ said:
Save editors are your friends. :)


Otherwise, enjoy the replays. :) I may replay before long myself. Through the trilogy I've been mostly Saint Shephard the male.

On replay, I'm going to be as different as possible. That means it's time to bring out the Queen Bitch of the Galaxy Shepherd. ;)
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I thought about that but then I decided to just do another run thru. There were a couple things I wanted to change anyway in ME1. I wanted to let the Arachni live and I wanted Liara instead of Ashley. Plus its a valuable lesson for me to pay attention and backup my saves next time I upgrade motherboards. :D

My first play thru is always with choices as I would make them. Usually turns out 40% paragon / 60% renegade. My next, "for fun" play thru will be almost 100% renegade! LOL!
 
Elios said:
OH not spoiler but when you go to the Asari home world take ether Javic or Garrus LOLZ ensue
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Yup, I had Garrus.


See those are the kinds of special moments have been throughout this series...attention to detail like that...I have to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt at least until all the DLCs have come and gone and we're left with the full, complete package to really see what ends up being what.
 
Garrus always has good stuff. He's had good lines in all three games.
 
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