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Love your socket 754?

hi,
i am from argentina, i also have a 754, i dont know if i love it but maybe.
first scuse my "english"

may someone help me to find a way to change my timings on the bios?
because it dont let me, i can see them but no make changes
i try also systool, and a64tweaker but my pc boots when i modify cas latency or ras to cas values, the others i can but when i start the computer again the bios automatically set the defaults
im not an advanced user soo i dont know much
maybe if there is a post to read tell me, i dont found nothing

thanks a lot
 
nullzero said:
Hard choice :p... I would love to see some PI scores of the venice OCed to over 2.5ghz so I could get an idea on the performance difference compared to my current CPU.
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Good to see the s754 forum is still alive and well.
Here's a re-post of one of my proudest moments with my Athlon64 3000 Venice core.

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I've been hanging out in the Conroe forums lately but as good as they are, I'm still not convinced that I really need to spend $1000 bucks so I can crank out a million digits of SuperPi twice as fast. Hell, I've rarely used more than 3 or 4 digits of Pi since high school.

For those that have been wondering, my Athlon64 continues to run strong and stable, day in day out at 1.71 to 1.76 volts.

It's still not worth upgrading quite yet. :D
 
kwanzaa: Post some details about your computer so the users here can try and help you get the most out of it.

What motherboard model do you have?
 
ok uncle
here
athlon xp 64 3000+ , 2.00mhz
mother asus k8v-x
2x 512 ddr

in the bios is imposible to change the timings
are the timings very important?
 
kwanzaa said:
in the bios is imposible to change the timings
are the timings very important?
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If you change the Timing Mode from Auto to Manual you should be able to change any of the memory timings.

The new memory timings will be used the next time you boot up.

Memory timings are very important when you are overclocking. Adjusting them will help make your computer more stable.
 
Also be aware that the Asus K8V series has the VIA chipset which is not a very good overclocker at all and if your board is AGP it may not have an AGP lock which will also destabilize and limit your overclocking potential.

PS - good to see you back, unclewebb!
 
unclewebb said:
Good to see the s754 forum is still alive and well.
Here's a re-post of one of my proudest moments with my Athlon64 3000 Venice core.

I've been hanging out in the Conroe forums lately but as good as they are, I'm still not convinced that I really need to spend $1000 bucks so I can crank out a million digits of SuperPi twice as fast. Hell, I've rarely used more than 3 or 4 digits of Pi since high school.

For those that have been wondering, my Athlon64 continues to run strong and stable, day in day out at 1.71 to 1.76 volts.

It's still not worth upgrading quite yet. :D
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:eek: (edited out the pic)
 
BigMacAttack said:
Also be aware that the Asus K8V series has the VIA chipset which is not a very good overclocker at all and if your board is AGP it may not have an AGP lock which will also destabilize and limit your overclocking potential.

PS - good to see you back, unclewebb!
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Hello BigMac. I see you're still hard at it with your s754. :)

I downloaded a manual tonight for the Asus K8V-XE. I think that's what kwanzaa is using. If so then it is more modern than the original Via boards and uses a PCI-E graphics card and supports 300 MB/s SATAII hard drives as well as RAID. It shows that you can adjust the FSB from 200 to 300 MHz and it also looks like you can lock the PCI and the PCI-E bus speeds in the bios. As you know, that was always the problem with previous Via based boards.

A very modern looking board with an external e-SATA connector as well. Via has a lousy overclocking reputation but I've got a feeling this board might be better than the previous versions.
 
thanks for all data

seeing the picture of the bios you post i can tell you i havent those options
my options are

Memclock mode
Memclock to cpu ratio
Bank interleaving
Twr
Ddr clock delay
2t command

thats all i can change

all you said is true, about the via chipset, and how much can destabilize not have a agp lock?
i dont know if is the same but my mother is k8v-x, not k8v-xe, and i dont have pci-e
thanks again
 
unclewebb said:
Hello BigMac. I see you're still hard at it with your s754. :)

I downloaded a manual tonight for the Asus K8V-XE. I think that's what kwanzaa is using. If so then it is more modern than the original Via boards and uses a PCI-E graphics card and supports 300 MB/s SATAII hard drives as well as RAID. It shows that you can adjust the FSB from 200 to 300 MHz and it also looks like you can lock the PCI and the PCI-E bus speeds in the bios. As you know, that was always the problem with previous Via based boards.

A very modern looking board with an external e-SATA connector as well. Via has a lousy overclocking reputation but I've got a feeling this board might be better than the previous versions.
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Yeah - still holding down the fort! :)

Sorry to hear you do not have the XE. It seems the AGP versions were very limited. The best I could do on the cpu frequency was 220 on either of my Clawhammers (3400+, 3700+). It seesm very suprising that you have no cpu frequency (what many call FSB) adjustments. You can't overclock without that adjustment.
 
Now I'm stuck, 229 X 10 Primed fine, as did 232 x 10. However the system will not post from 233 X 10 on up. I've set the MemClock at 216, 233, and 250 without any change. I upped the memory voltage via the jump to 3.2 roughly (number from BIOS). I've upped CPU voltage to 1.425 and 1.450 and still nothing. I lowered the HT to 3X, nothing. Everything else is locked in and shouldn't be a problem. I'm stumped. I hoping that it just some setting, and not some stupid board malfunction.
 
Try 1.5v on the cpu if you can go on up. 1.6 to 1.65 is no problem for the Venice core cpu's. Mine runs at 1.62 - 1.64 all the time. Unclewebb has his over 1.7 so don't be afraid to give it some juice. These little beasts seem to like a lot of voltage.
 
Gibby82 said:
Now I'm stuck, 229 X 10 Primed fine, as did 232 x 10. However the system will not post from 233 X 10 on up. I've set the MemClock at 216, 233, and 250 without any change. I upped the memory voltage via the jump to 3.2 roughly (number from BIOS). I've upped CPU voltage to 1.425 and 1.450 and still nothing. I lowered the HT to 3X, nothing. Everything else is locked in and shouldn't be a problem. I'm stumped. I hoping that it just some setting, and not some stupid board malfunction.
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You're going to need a lot more voltage than that. I'm running 223x12 @ 1.55v. Some of the guys here are running 1.6v +. No big worries, let it have some volts!
 
Ok, that seemed to work. I set the CPU voltage to 1.5v, left the RAM at the jumpered 3.2/3 and upped it to 234. Booted and is running Prime now. RAM timings are still really tight, 2-2-2-5-1T, and the HTT multi is still at 4x. Running pretty good I'd say.

Thanks for the help guys.
 
The way I tested was to set my cpu freq. up 5 mhz at a time then run Prime 95 for 15 minutes. If it passed then I upped 5 mhz more. Once it failed I would bump the voltage to the next selection up and run Prime 95 again. If it passed I'd add 5 more mhz, if it failed I'd add another bump in voltage. I did it this way until it finally topped out. At that point its a good idea to then run Prime 95 for 24 hrs. If it fails then back off the cpu freq by 3-5 mhz and run it again until it passes - keeping in mind that you'll need to back off the voltages as you go back down. I kept track of every mod I did in a chart so I could see where it passed and failed at what voltage and cpu frequency.
 
234 x 10 is a bust so far. I've tried 1.5 and 1.55 for the CPU, and the RAM at 3.3 and 2.9 (jumper and non-jumper). I'm thinking it's the RAM, so I'm running the built in Memtest (TForce comes with it in BIOS). I have to do other stuff this afternoon, so I'll try again when I get back.
 
Gibby82: What sort of memory divider and memory speed are you running as reported by CPU-z? I found that reducing the CAS latency from 2.0 to 2.5 allowed me to run a lot more memory speed which resulted in better performance overall.
 
kwanzaa: Have you ever tried using the program ClockGen to adjust the speed of your computer?

http://www.cpuid.com/clockgen.php

It says that it supports the Asus K8V.

Without a locked PCI / AGP bus most people are lucky to overclock 10% to 15% on Via based boards before running into problems.
 
dont worry, you help my a lot

when i told you the values i cant modify, i mean about the timings, that was my curiosity
but i have modified the fsb and htt in the bios

clokgen let me change the fsb but as you must know not the timings

thanks
 
Well, my brother finaly caved and bought a BigTyphoon and Zalman northbridge heatsink for his setup, they should arrive some time next week.

He has the same motherboard as I do (EPoX EP-8NPA SLI), and a Sempron 3400+ (Palermo Core, 256KB L2). We've had it up to 2.8GHz on stock cooling... but the chip was running too hot to test for stability at those speeds.

I can't wait to see what some propper cooling will do for him.
 
unclewebb said:
Gibby82: What sort of memory divider and memory speed are you running as reported by CPU-z? I found that reducing the CAS latency from 2.0 to 2.5 allowed me to run a lot more memory speed which resulted in better performance overall.
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Here is what I have.
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Memory speed is at 216 (in BIOS)

My Memtest didn't go so well yesterday, there were many errors when I checked back the first time. I came back later and the screen was just a scrambled mess. I've backed it down to 230 x 10 (which I know is stable) and left it there for now. One thing I did notice (after updating CPU-Z) was the HT Link was quite high. I remember that lowering the multi didn't make any difference however. I'm not quite sure what to do next, still thinking about it.
 
Any recommended CPU fans guys for not too much money? I'm doing a newegg order with the free shipping w/ paypal (wife lost a 120mm CPU fan on her Antec case, gets blue screens of doom with a physical memory dump when it gets too hot - particularly when the furnace comes on and heat comes out of the heater vent near her PC).

Figured I'd toss a CPU fan upgrade in.
 
GreenMonkey said:
Any recommended CPU fans guys for not too much money? I'm doing a newegg order with the free shipping w/ paypal (wife lost a 120mm CPU fan on her Antec case, gets blue screens of doom with a physical memory dump when it gets too hot - particularly when the furnace comes on and heat comes out of the heater vent near her PC).

Figured I'd toss a CPU fan upgrade in.
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If it's still on sale get the Artic Cooling Freezer Pro. It was only $16.99 last week on Newegg. Are you looking for just a fan, or a whole new heatsink and fan? I'd also move that computer.
 
GreenMonkey said:
Any recommended CPU fans guys for not too much money? I'm doing a newegg order with the free shipping w/ paypal (wife lost a 120mm CPU fan on her Antec case, gets blue screens of doom with a physical memory dump when it gets too hot - particularly when the furnace comes on and heat comes out of the heater vent near her PC).

Figured I'd toss a CPU fan upgrade in.
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By "cpu fan" you mean a cpu heatsink, here is one that is pretty good and you can't beat the price.


Edit:Guess I took to long to post...
 
That's exactly the heatsink/fan combo I was considering, glad to see some recommendations for it.

I'll probably grab one of those heater vent redirecter things from Lowe's or something. Now that winter is upon us the computer room is the warmest room in the house - I think because of all the electronics in there - 2 PCs + my massive 24" CRT. I have to keep the door closed and that gets it even warmer - because otherwise our little 11mo old goes running in there and starts playing with the power strips, etc behind/underneath the computer desk.

With the 120mm on the back of her case out, the only fan on the case is the PSU fan. Not good, especially since that 1800+ of hers tends to run awfully hot (~50C).
 
That might be do-able. I got 2.65 out of mine on good air cooling and an nForce4 Abit NV8 mobo. Those DFI's are the best for maximum overclocking though.
 
Yeah I dont think the board or ram is going to hold me back. I got mushkin blackline DDR400 in that rig too :).
 
Go get 'em! I'll be very interested to see how that cpu responds to liquid cooling since I still have 2 of them in my desk drawer. My 3400+ is jamming along nicely so it'll stay in place for now :)
 
GreenMonkey said:
With the 120mm on the back of her case out, the only fan on the case is the PSU fan. Not good, especially since that 1800+ of hers tends to run awfully hot (~50C).
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The computer at school I am on right now has a 2800+ xp, and a 9200. Only (exhuast) fan is a 80mm in a crappy psu. And the school wonders why they have problems, lol.
 
My 3000+ venice should come to my door within an hour or so. Will update the thread when I get it installed and test out the OCing with water.
 
Booted into windows at 3ghz not stable yet going to see if I can tweak the settings to get it stable. Priming at 2.9ghz atm I dont know if I can get 3ghz stable.
 
Yeah these chips that newegg are selling are possibly left over stock at AMD, they most likely decided to down clock all the chips and brand them as 3000+ to sell out the inventory. The 3000+ from newegg has a multiplier of 10, right now im toying around with different combinations to get the highest stable OC with the best Super PI results.
 
1.7volts however my so so PSU is holding it back I think. Im not getting solid power to my components.
 
nullzero said:
Booted into windows at 3ghz not stable yet going to see if I can tweak the settings to get it stable. Priming at 2.9ghz atm I dont know if I can get 3ghz stable.
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My venice can run at 2.9 in windoze for a while, never tried to prime it. As soon as I hit 3.0, it crashes. Hopefully you'll have better luck. :)
 
I need help ,This chip is from March 2004 ,but never installed untill today ,new in box
Was installed in a DFI 250GB UT-NF3.Modded xp-90 ,G.Skill ram.
First boot I went for it ,after going into bios first ,booted right up @ 2814Mhz, HTT=255, HT.04 ,1.6v ,2.9v ddr.So after letting it go for 3 hrs. running OCCT ,all stable.
I decided to change multi ,but no go ,cannot leave 11x under any combo of voltage or
multipler ? tho when in 11x I can go up and down at will ,even had it at 2919Mhz ,but then got out of it to try other settings! So at least it clocks pretty good ,But why can't I chenge the Multiplier..thanx for any help.


Specs are : 3400+ Clawhammer
AMN3400BIX5AR
Version 2.6
Revision SH7-CG
 
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