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Love your socket 754?

I want dual core socket 754s! The reason I have been upset with AMD lately is this policy of coming up with a new socket every year... socket 754, 939, 940, AMD2, and now they are coming out with a new socket for their quad core setup. To many sockets to follow and at the blink of an eye your socket is a dead end solution for upgrading. AMD should follow Intels lead with keeping the same socket for a few years. The problem with AMD is they design the chipsets for the current demand instead of focusing on features to make it futreproof... The difference can be seen with AMD's competitor Intels and their early use of SATA on the chipsets and PCI express.
 
new to the club. cool thread.

i have a sempron 3000+ (palermo, 1.8ghz) lying around and am considering building a modest gaming rig around it. it's L2 cache is only 128k, so i figure i've got to OC it as much as possible (if it's gonna keep up with a 7900gs). i've got good cooling options and a decent psu...just want to know if the chip will cut it before i spring for another 754 board.

based on the tons of experience in this thread, what can i expect to get out of that little chip? something between 2.2ghz and 2.4ghz?

thanks in advance.
 
With the right board you could hit 2.6-2.8GHz, it's common with the 90nm Palermo cores. You're right, to make up for that cache I'd definitely overclock quite a bit. The 256Kb L2 cache semprons perform amazingly close to what 512Kb Athlon 64's do, but the 128Kb semprons really do suffer.
 
I am getting a Tuning Tower HSF and poping the IHS of my newcastle and maybe I can push it even more past 2.9ghz ;) :eek: :cool:
 
ep1taph said:
With the right board you could hit 2.6-2.8GHz, it's common with the 90nm Palermo cores. You're right, to make up for that cache I'd definitely overclock quite a bit. The 256Kb L2 cache semprons perform amazingly close to what 512Kb Athlon 64's do, but the 128Kb semprons really do suffer.
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thanks. 2.6ghz would be great. any recommendation on what the right board is? someone recommended the epox sli board to me...any problems there?

the ram i've got for that rig is an old stick of corsair value-select pc3200. i know that xms is the good stuff, will that value memory hold me back in this case?
 
cukes38 said:
thanks. 2.6ghz would be great. any recommendation on what the right board is? someone recommended the epox sli board to me...any problems there?

the ram i've got for that rig is an old stick of corsair value-select pc3200. i know that xms is the good stuff, will that value memory hold me back in this case?
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That's what memory dividers are for :D 2x512MB cas2.5 value RAM here myself.
 
cukes38 said:
thanks. 2.6ghz would be great. any recommendation on what the right board is? someone recommended the epox sli board to me...any problems there?
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The EPoX 8NPA-SLI boards are pretty nice, I hit 2.7GHz on mine after replacing the Northbridge cooler with something beefier.

cukes38 said:
the ram i've got for that rig is an old stick of corsair value-select pc3200. i know that xms is the good stuff, will that value memory hold me back in this case?
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I have one 1GB stick of this Crucial Value RAM. Just because its value RAM doesn't mean it won't overclock well. My stick does 250MHz (DDR500) at 2.9v, and my brothers’ stick (same model) will do 250MHz (DDR500) at 3.0v. And like GreenMonkey said, you can throw a divider on it if need be.
 
Unknown-One said:
The EPoX 8NPA-SLI boards are pretty nice, I hit 2.7GHz on mine after replacing the Northbridge cooler with something beefier.

I have one 1GB stick of this Crucial Value RAM. Just because its value RAM doesn't mean it won't overclock well. My stick does 250MHz (DDR500) at 2.9v, and my brothers’ stick (same model) will do 250MHz (DDR500) at 3.0v. And like GreenMonkey said, you can throw a divider on it if need be.
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Another vote for the Epox 8npa SLI :) IMHO, the small price premium is totally worth it since you can get 2 cheap video cards in sli for some good performace.
I'm also trying the northbridge cooler change and I will let anyone here know of my own results (I'm awaiting the delivery of the new HR-05 from Jab-Tech).
 
Well guys, 2.72 GHz didn't last all night in Prime95, nor did 2.71 GHz.

I dropped it 10 MHz more and ran Prime95 again. 9 hours prime stable (it didn't crash, I closed it) at exactly 2.7GHz

27ghzfv2.png


Now I just need to figure out a way to get my RAM closer to 250MHz...maybe if I drop the CPU multi and up the FSB some more...

Edit: Whoops, my HT Link is over 800MHz! :eek: I'll drop the HT multi and retest 2.72GHz...
 
Unknown-One said:
Well guys, 2.72 GHz didn't last all night in Prime95, nor did 2.71 GHz.

I dropped it 10 MHz more and ran Prime95 again. 9 hours prime stable (it didn't crash, I closed it) at exactly 2.7GHz

27ghzfv2.png


Now I just need to figure out a way to get my RAM closer to 250MHz...maybe if I drop the CPU multi and up the FSB some more...

Edit: Whoops, my HT Link is over 800MHz! :eek: I'll drop the HT multi and retest 2.72GHz...
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You sure you gave more juice since i see 1.4v ??
 
Unknown-One said:
CPUz isn't reading the voltages from this motherboard correctly, I have it on 1.6v
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Allright, I saw it's a new version and I thought it is displaying the voltage correctly... Mine doesn't display correctly as well. Only Everest displayed the closest voltage.
 
Unknown-One said:
The EPoX 8NPA-SLI boards are pretty nice, I hit 2.7GHz on mine after replacing the Northbridge cooler with something beefier.

I have one 1GB stick of this Crucial Value RAM. Just because its value RAM doesn't mean it won't overclock well. My stick does 250MHz (DDR500) at 2.9v, and my brothers’ stick (same model) will do 250MHz (DDR500) at 3.0v. And like GreenMonkey said, you can throw a divider on it if need be.
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I really need to overclock the RAM a little bit. Best I got out of mine on stock voltage was 215 IIRC. If I could stop playing Civ4 maybe I could get it done. I could use some extra oomph, Civ4 is sure killer on the CPU.

Not a lot of time these days to mess with it. Baby has been grumpy since she's growing teeth, new 720p projector to install in the living room, Nintendo Wii here at the end of the week, camping out for a PS3 for profit on Thursday night, etc.
 
Well guys, 2.7GHz is the max this chip is going to do at 1.6v...not that I'm complaining :D

An easy 100MHz for $5, you can't beat that!
 
Someone tell me how to OC my 3000+ venice. :-D

I can get it to like 2.3ghz but I don't know what I'm doing really, lol.

My stock temp is 34C, but I can get it lower. I don't care to right now since I'm not OC'ing it and it's at stock.
 
Smashed Ixnay said:
Someone tell me how to OC my 3000+ venice. :-D
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10x CPU Multi
1.6v vCore (to start with)
3.0v vMem
333MHz RAM divider
2x HT-Link Multi

Now crank the FSB up and start stability testing :D

Just remember that FSB x 10 = final CPU clock. At stock this gives you 200MHz x 10 = 2000MHz (or 2.0GHz)
 
Unknown-One said:
10x CPU Multi
1.6v vCore (to start with)
3.0v vMem
333MHz RAM divider
2x HT-Link Multi

Now crank the FSB up and start stability testing :D

Just remember that FSB x 10 = final CPU clock. At stock this gives you 200MHz x 10 = 2000MHz (or 2.0GHz)
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Gonan test it out. That's the kind of help I wanted, lol. Thanks
 
Hmm...maybe I should have told him about the BIOS reset jumper before he started overclocking, he never posted back. XD
 
I'm building a PC for a friend, who's mostly gonna use it for office work. So I was thinking about grabbing a cheap s754 mobo and a Sempy 3000+, OC it a little(2.2 ~ 2.4 sounds good, and seems possible even with stock heatsink), and activate cool'n'quiet.

My concern is the mobo; which one should I choose from these two:

http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=952&l1=3&l2=14&l3=245
http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/products/products_overview.php?gpid=128&grp=8

asus: nVidia nForce 410 + GeForce 6100, SATA II support
sapphire: ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 ATI RS482 + SB400, x300 GPU, no SATA II support

I don't know much about neither sapphire mobos nor mobos with Ati chipsets, but I really like the way this one looks :), and I might just give it a chance. On the other hand my own asus nf3 mobo is serving me very well, my only problem with it is that I'm vCore limited at 1.45V.
 
I could be wrong, but is it a good idea to overclock and enable CnQ? I see the benefit of having CnQ on, but I wonder what effect on the overclock and settings that would have, if any.
 
Gibby82 said:
I could be wrong, but is it a good idea to overclock and enable CnQ? I see the benefit of having CnQ on, but I wonder what effect on the overclock and settings that would have, if any.
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Although there are some people that have had success with it, it is almost always a better idea to disable CnQ because it will usually result in instability.
 
Cool 'n Quiet changes voltages on the fly, which is bad for overclocking because CnQ assumes stock speeds and thus uses voltages meant to keep the CPU happy at stock, not overclocked speeds.
 
Bone said:
I'm building a PC for a friend, who's mostly gonna use it for office work. So I was thinking about grabbing a cheap s754 mobo and a Sempy 3000+, OC it a little(2.2 ~ 2.4 sounds good, and seems possible even with stock heatsink), and activate cool'n'quiet.

My concern is the mobo; which one should I choose from these two:

http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=952&l1=3&l2=14&l3=245
http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/products/products_overview.php?gpid=128&grp=8

asus: nVidia nForce 410 + GeForce 6100, SATA II support
sapphire: ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 ATI RS482 + SB400, x300 GPU, no SATA II support

I don't know much about neither sapphire mobos nor mobos with Ati chipsets, but I really like the way this one looks :), and I might just give it a chance. On the other hand my own asus nf3 mobo is serving me very well, my only problem with it is that I'm vCore limited at 1.45V.
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I would reccomend a 256Kb L2 chip. This includes the 2800+ and 3100+ Sempron parts. Both are highly overclockable, and will outperform the 128Kb L2 3000+. That's just me, though.
 
ep1taph said:
I would reccomend a 256Kb L2 chip. This includes the 2800+ and 3100+ Sempron parts. Both are highly overclockable, and will outperform the 128Kb L2 3000+. That's just me, though.
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QFT! The 256kb Semprons perform on par with 512kb Athlons, but the 128kb Semprons take a rather larger performance hit.
 
i too have personally experienced the performance hit associated with the 128kb L2 semprons. my palermo 3000+ tops out at 2.4ghz according to prime95, which is fine; but even at that speed it is noticeably less competent to run a 7900gs than the athlon 64 (512kb) chip i've got at 2.0 in another machine.

question: do those of you who know experience a similar jump in performance on the 754 platform between the 256kb chips and the 512kb chips...or is a 512kb L2 not really much better?
 
cukes38 said:
question: do those of you who know experience a similar jump in performance on the 754 platform between the 256kb chips and the 512kb chips...or is a 512kb L2 not really much better?
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Extra cache is always nice, but you probobly won't notice 256kb vs 512kb.

and yes, I have first hand experiance with both.
 
quadnad said:
Although there are some people that have had success with it, it is almost always a better idea to disable CnQ because it will usually result in instability.
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I'm actually one of those people who had success with it, the result is that my Venice 3000+ is runnig with the CPU fan off while idleing(948MHz@1.125), and I still get 2.37GHz@1.45V when I need it.By the way, I'm using the stock AMD heatsink; idle temps are around 35-40C.
 
ep1taph said:
I would reccomend a 256Kb L2 chip. This includes the 2800+ and 3100+ Sempron parts. Both are highly overclockable, and will outperform the 128Kb L2 3000+. That's just me, though.
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Thanks,I will definitely get one of those.

Any ideas about the mobo with ATI chipset? I've never even seen desktop ATI mobos so far :). I just feel like leaving the well tried path and trying something new..... Any suggestions?
 
Unknown-One said:
Hmm...maybe I should have told him about the BIOS reset jumper before he started overclocking, he never posted back. XD
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lol, luckily I knew about it already. I actually just got around to playing with this cause I been so busy and when I had free time I forgot about it. My apologies.

I don't know much about this, so I could use all the help I can. I'm not good at just reading something and then doing it, so more of a visual learner I guess? Anyways, this is what I've done.

I changed the RAM divider to 166mhz (default was 200), changed NF4 voltage to 1.6 (was 1.5 stock), Memory Voltage to 2.60 (was 2.55 stock), which allowed me to up the FSB to 230. As you can see, my processor is now running 2300mhz. Whether or not it's prime stable, I don't know cause I haven't done a test yet.

Now, there are some stuff that maybe could help you, help me. On boot up, there is a screen that says:

Memory Frequency (I think) 191mhz, TCL 2.5, Trcd:2, Tras: 5, Trp:2, (2 Timing)

When I go into Bios some of the options I see are:

  • HT Frequency: 4x
  • Adjust CPU Ratio: Start up (4x-10x with increments of .5)
  • HT Width: Down 16 Up 16 (few other options like 8 down 8 up, 8 down 16 up? and few more)
  • PCiE Clock: 100mhz (what's this?)
 
  • HT Frequency: 4x
  • Adjust CPU Ratio: Start up (4x-10x with increments of .5)
  • HT Width: Down 16 Up 16 (few other options like 8 down 8 up, 8 down 16 up? and few more)
  • PCiE Clock: 100mhz (what's this?)

1.Set the HT frequency to 3X or even 2X, it doesn't have a negative effect on the performance, and allows you higher OC
2.You can leave the CPU Ratio at 10X, but you have to crank up the vCore voltage a little.~1.5-1.6 is more than safe enough for these chips, so don't worry
3. I don't think you have to mess with the HT Up Down settings, I don't have settings like this on my nf3 mobo
4.Leave the PCiE lock at 100MHz, this way your Video Card won't limit your OC
 
Bone said:
  • HT Frequency: 4x
  • Adjust CPU Ratio: Start up (4x-10x with increments of .5)
  • HT Width: Down 16 Up 16 (few other options like 8 down 8 up, 8 down 16 up? and few more)
  • PCiE Clock: 100mhz (what's this?)

1.Set the HT frequency to 3X or even 2X, it doesn't have a negative effect on the performance, and allows you higher OC
2.You can leave the CPU Ratio at 10X, but you have to crank up the vCore voltage a little.~1.5-1.6 is more than safe enough for these chips, so don't worry
3. I don't think you have to mess with the HT Up Down settings, I don't have settings like this on my nf3 mobo
4.Leave the PCiE lock at 100MHz, this way your Video Card won't limit your OC
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The HT Frequency is set at 4x on default. That wouldn't be a huge boost to set it at 10x?
 
Smashed Ixnay said:
The HT Frequency is set at 4x on default. That wouldn't be a huge boost to set it at 10x?
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There is almost no performance difference running your HT Link higher or lower than spec, although if you run it higher you'll more than likely run into stability problems.
 
I finally received my HR-05 chipset heatsink and as promised, I tried to check if it helped with overclocking... So far, I was able to prime a bit longer than 30 mins at 2.6 GHz but it bombed out still and I know it's a improvement because with the old chipset heatsink, it will bomb within 1-2 mins after starting.

However, i'm not regretting the purchase since it is now prime stable for 24 hours at 2.55 and it's also more quieter. A side effect of slapping a 70 mm fan i took from the original AMD heatsink is that it made the cpu core 3-4 degrees cooler because the fan is blowing upward and thru the CPU heatsink, helping pushing the heat toward the blowhole in my case.
 
25w? Jeez!

Someone with deep pockets grab one of those just to see how you far you can take it.
 
I would love to buy one myself but I am tapped out from the holidays :(, and already have a 3400+ clawhammer mobile. My 3400+ maxs out at 2.5ghz stable, I would love to see where this goes espically since I have seen palermo cores clocking in at 2.8ghz stable... low voltage who knows where this one would clock out at.
 
It looks like the voltage on that chip is 1.2v at stock. Wow - that would probably be a heavy hitting oc'er if our motherboards would support it.
 
Im sure motherboards with regular mobile and sempron support should be able to run these. I would be curious to see if someone gets one.
 
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