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Not always true. Sometimes the cost is so close to just buying a new one. Given that the C4 can be had for around $700 now it may be better to just get that.
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Not always true. Sometimes the cost is so close to just buying a new one. Given that the C4 can be had for around $700 now it may be better to just get that.
Well that really depends how much they ask haha, I was thinking something in the 100-200 range, assuming it's not covered by whatever warranty I had.
I tried their chat but they redirected me to a phone number sooo I'll try another time. Preferably when working from home.
I tried their chat but they redirected me to a phone number sooo I'll try another time. Preferably when working from home.
Logo diming can be hit and miss, and bright white HUDs can still cause significant problems. There's a reason why I run my OLED Brightness at 30 (you adjust faster then you'd think).
Well... they replied: a repair would cost around 1k+, since I'm not under warranty and that's how much they sell those old panels for, apparently. Totally pointless, so a new one it is.
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Lol. Maybe wait and see what the C5 brings? Really hoping LG will finally cave in and put MLA on the C series next year. It's not like it's going to cannibalize the sales of the G series as long as that one remains significantly brighter. The G4 currently has a max peak brightness of 1400 nits so if the G5 bumps that up to say 1600 nits while the C5 gets MLA but only a max of 1200 nits then that would leave room in the market for both options. A 42 inch OLED with 240Hz and MLA capable of 1000+ nits would be the dream display for me atm.
Didn't know the dead pixels were a thing until I stumbled into this thread. I did a check on mine and yeah, got a bunch of dead pixels all over the right side. Kinda hard to tell, and I might have not noticed if it wasnt for the thread. Luckily, I did buy the 5 year warranty from BB so i called geek squad and they will be sending someone in about 2 weeks. They said if they dont fix it they will swap it. Not sure if it means in getting a C4 or if they got some CX saved somewhere for these occasions. Or perhaps I should reschedule until the C5 comes out? Honestly it is only noticeable in white screens so i can easily live with it until then. This is still a fantastic TV/monitor, I would just like maybe something a bit smaller.
MLA and 240 Hz would finally make me upgrade my CX 48". But I might still end up waiting for Black Friday sales because the drops in price are so significant and my CX works fine apart from the dead pixels.
I guess we shouldn't get our hopes up based on this article: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1732525816
The photos of the C5 and G5 OLED TVs from the certification database suggest that the brighter MLA OLED panel (with its different anti-reflection solution) will still be exclusive to G5, although this is not something we can confirm yet.
Interestingly, the LG OLED65G5 has been certified with a refresh rate of 165Hz at 4K resolution, up from 144Hz in 2024 and 120Hz in earlier models.
The photos of the C5 and G5 OLED TVs from the certification database suggest that the brighter MLA OLED panel (with its different anti-reflection solution) will still be exclusive to G5, although this is not something we can confirm yet.
Interestingly, the LG OLED65G5 has been certified with a refresh rate of 165Hz at 4K resolution, up from 144Hz in 2024 and 120Hz in earlier models.
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I think until Samsung makes a 42 inch QD OLED, LG won't bother with MLA on that size. And Samsung seems content to use LG's panels for their 42 inch TVs so I don't see why would even make a 42 inch QD OLED. Guess 42 inch OLED going to be in no mans land forever.
Just advised a friend on a new TV purchase. Favored QD-OLED. WOLED seems like a compromised design at this point in comparison as far as TV goes anyway. Though I guess the G4 still does very well in reviews...
(Still love the CX/C1 for a computer monitor, but that's because of the still great coating/polarizer and OLED Motion Pro.)
(Still love the CX/C1 for a computer monitor, but that's because of the still great coating/polarizer and OLED Motion Pro.)
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That article was regarding the entire C-series range though. So it doesn't look like C5 will be any better than C4.
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Personally, I'd consider getting one of those 45" 5120x2160, 240Hz OLEDs rather than a 42" OLED gaming TV at this point if it came down to those options. That is, if the performance and output on the 45" 21:9 (4k+) ultrawide was similar or better. Sometimes desktop monitor OLEDs have lower output than OLED gaming tvs.
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The screenshot above is from a multi-monitor calculator, showing a (pictured as flat) 45" 21:9 behind a 42" 16:9. In reality, the 45" would be 800R(adius) = 800mm = around 31.5 inch to the center of curvature and so a little shorter in width straight across physically than shown there due to the curve. The 1440 , 800R uw screens are ~ 39" wide, a 42" LG 16:9 is 36.7", so the uw might have an inch peaking out on each end if right up next to each other. With a 45" 5120x2160 at the same distance as the 42" 16:9, you'd lose a little physical height and would gain some PPD. However that's not true to your perspective if you were sitting a different distance from each screen. You'd also gain more desktop/app real-estate width with the addition of +660 pixels in width on each side of a 4k screen space (1320px more across).
A 45" 5120x2160 uw when sitting at the center of curvature where all of the pixels are pointed directly at you, ~32 inches away, gets around 78PPD. Sitting at the central viewing angle with a 42" 16:9 OLED would put you at 32" to 39" away from it, getting 64 to 77 PPD. Sitting somewhat closer to a 45" 5120x2160 uw for game immersion would drop down from 78PPD a bit (e.g. 65 PPD at 25 inches away), plus the pixels farther from the center of the screen would then be progressively more and more off-axis from you which could have some downsides in uniformity and exacerbating geometry issues. However, sitting a bit nearer like that would also make the uw screen a little taller to your perspective than it would look sitting farther away. For reference, a 42" 4k oled is just over 21" tall, a 45" 21:9 uw is around 18" tall. You could choose to sit near enough to the uw to make the 4k portion look pretty much the same size to your perspective and viewing angle, or other times, farther away to the center of curvature if you have the space or mounted one decoupled from your desk (which I'd be doing with a 42" or larger 16:9 anyway).
The actual physical specs w/o perspective matching are listed for a 42" LG OLED as 36.7 wide, 21.3 High . . and a 45" 800R 21:9 uw as 39.1" wide, 17.9" High.
This image below shows what distance vs. perspective and PPD matched 4k to 4k would look like between the two screens. (In reality the uw would be in front of the 4k but it makes more sense to compare their dimensions the way it's pictured imo). The 4k portion of the 21:9 seems to resolve to be like a 36" or so 16:9.
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The screenshot above is from a multi-monitor calculator, showing a (pictured as flat) 45" 21:9 behind a 42" 16:9. In reality, the 45" would be 800R(adius) = 800mm = around 31.5 inch to the center of curvature and so a little shorter in width straight across physically than shown there due to the curve. The 1440 , 800R uw screens are ~ 39" wide, a 42" LG 16:9 is 36.7", so the uw might have an inch peaking out on each end if right up next to each other. With a 45" 5120x2160 at the same distance as the 42" 16:9, you'd lose a little physical height and would gain some PPD. However that's not true to your perspective if you were sitting a different distance from each screen. You'd also gain more desktop/app real-estate width with the addition of +660 pixels in width on each side of a 4k screen space (1320px more across).
A 45" 5120x2160 uw when sitting at the center of curvature where all of the pixels are pointed directly at you, ~32 inches away, gets around 78PPD. Sitting at the central viewing angle with a 42" 16:9 OLED would put you at 32" to 39" away from it, getting 64 to 77 PPD. Sitting somewhat closer to a 45" 5120x2160 uw for game immersion would drop down from 78PPD a bit (e.g. 65 PPD at 25 inches away), plus the pixels farther from the center of the screen would then be progressively more and more off-axis from you which could have some downsides in uniformity and exacerbating geometry issues. However, sitting a bit nearer like that would also make the uw screen a little taller to your perspective than it would look sitting farther away. For reference, a 42" 4k oled is just over 21" tall, a 45" 21:9 uw is around 18" tall. You could choose to sit near enough to the uw to make the 4k portion look pretty much the same size to your perspective and viewing angle, or other times, farther away to the center of curvature if you have the space or mounted one decoupled from your desk (which I'd be doing with a 42" or larger 16:9 anyway).
The actual physical specs w/o perspective matching are listed for a 42" LG OLED as 36.7 wide, 21.3 High . . and a 45" 800R 21:9 uw as 39.1" wide, 17.9" High.
This image below shows what distance vs. perspective and PPD matched 4k to 4k would look like between the two screens. (In reality the uw would be in front of the 4k but it makes more sense to compare their dimensions the way it's pictured imo). The 4k portion of the 21:9 seems to resolve to be like a 36" or so 16:9.
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What do you mean by performance and output? If you're referring to HDR then I would expect them to perform about the same if the C5 does not have MLA. From my own testing of the PG32UCDP and LG CX, the Asus is a smidge brighter but it's not something you would really notice unless you compared them side by side. They are practically equal in terms of HDR which is kind of sad when you realize that a 2024 MLA equipped monitor is only matching a 2020 non MLA TV in HDR. Who knows maybe they'll crank up the brightness on the ultrawide but the C5 will also probably receive a brightness bump so in the end I think they will be just about on par. BTW the photo isn't to prove that the PG32UCDP and CX are equal in brightness, more like it's proof I have both and extensively tested them together so I'm not just talking out of my ass but rather from actual user experience on this subject.
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Yes, I meant that from what I've heard, some OLED monitors can have somewhat lower HDR range than some OLED gaming TVs (but maybe they were comparing to samsung QD-OLED gaming tvs, I don't recall). I seem to remember some people who bought some model of OLED monitors complaining about that. What you said doesn't surprise me though either. Will be interesting to find out for sure what the actual numbers are.
It's also been reported that the 45" 4k+ uw is supposedly RGwB instead of RwBG, so should be better for text due to that. Also from it being more like a 36" 4k central portion rather than a 42" 4k screen PPD wise for people using them directly on a desk. Where someone 24" away would have been getting closer to 50 PPD with a 42 inch 4k for example, someone viewing the 45 inch uw from 24" away would be getting 63 PPD.
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Yes, I meant that from what I've heard, some OLED monitors can have somewhat lower HDR range than some OLED gaming TVs (but maybe they were comparing to samsung QD-OLED gaming tvs, I don't recall). I seem to remember some people who bought some model of OLED monitors complaining about that. What you said doesn't surprise me though either. Will be interesting to find out for sure what the actual numbers are.
It's also been reported that the 45" 4k+ uw is supposedly RGwB instead of RwBG, so should be better for text due to that. Also from it being more like a 36" 4k central portion rather than a 42" 4k screen PPD wise for people using them directly on a desk. Where someone 24" away would have been getting closer to 50 PPD with a 42 inch 4k for example, someone viewing the 45 inch uw from 24" away would be getting 63 PPD.
Yeah all new WOLEDs will be using the new subpixel structure, even the 1440p 480Hz model is using it. The roadmap from TFTC did suggest RGB structure by end of 2025 but given that all of LG's brightness over the last decade came from the white subpixel I'm not so sure they can easily ditch it by next year.
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RGB OLEDs have always been around, just not for consumer-grade equipment.
Advancements in technology and manufacturing processes should make RGB OLEDs viable now. It has probably been in development for quite some time.
Advancements in technology and manufacturing processes should make RGB OLEDs viable now. It has probably been in development for quite some time.
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Yeah we have RGB OLEDs but those are nowhere near as bright as the WOLEDs with the exception of the panel found in the iPad Pro. Show me any other RGB OLED that is doing 1500+ nits like the LG G4 can. I don't doubt that LG will be able to transition to RGB OLED, but I just think 2026 is more likely to be when it will happen as opposed to 2025 based on articles like this one: https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/report-lg-display-on-track-to-debut-blue-pholed-oled-panels-by-2026. Sign me up for LG G6 PHOLED in 2026.
Well I finally got the geeksquad tech to come look at my cx oled to confirm the dead pixels. He tried doing the auto repair but the dead pixels persisted. The options were to get the TV replaced with the current year equivalent, in this case the 48" C4. Or to get credits equal to the amount the C4 is worth which was $1099. I went for the credit to let me look around to see if I should go with something else. Also they told me I can dispose of the monitor in anyway I choose to. It's kinda nice since the CX is still usable. But i'm not sure how long it has before it becomes worse. And this is an oled, so the display tech is known for degrading over time. Makes me really happy that I got the warranty. But at the same time, I wanted this thing to last at least 10 years. So yeah, I will still be using the CX until it dies or its defects make the TV unusable. But at least I can get something to replace it.
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How many dead pixels did you have there?
I noticed some dead pixels on right side of my CX and wondering if its worth to do the same.
I have not counted them all but can only give a low ball estimate of 50, most likely over 100. It is all on the edges so it's hard to notice in normal content. I would guess for your situation I would definitely try to do the same. Especially since you may only be less than 1 year out from warranty date (mine was). After that you will be stuck with a defective TV/monitor with no way of fixing it. My appointment was a little bit annoying since the tech came and said my warranty had expired (it was gonna be a $175 charge). I had to show him my online account that i was still under warranty. But once that was cleared up, it went smooth. He proceeded to take pictures of the defect and that was it. He texted me the next day with a phone number to call for a swap. That's where they give you the choice of taking the credit or a current year model. Also make sure you have wifi enabled on your TV since they will use youtube on the TV to check. I tried using a laptop but he wanted to use the TV by itself. Standard procedure? Whatever the case, just have those things in line and you should be good.
But yes, you should go through the hassle of at least trying to get this issue fixed before your warranty runs out.
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Getting tons of results on "LG CX Deadpixel Edges".
It's over...
It's over...
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Yeah, you'd say that. It's not like you have a long history of saying oled sucks or anything.
I've heard of it a few times but it's not widespread.
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For reference, people in this thread started getting their CX's in april of 2020 and we are now verging on the start of 2025, so it shouldn't be too surprising if you start getting some word of degradation from some users.
People's usage scenarios (and level of "abuse") can vary. Some people use OLEDs as singular desktop monitors without switching to a lower brightness when doing static desktop/apps (e.g. a different named pictured mode that you set a more reasonable static content brightness on, or other method). Some people primarily game on their OLED and don't keep static window content and window frames on them regularly (outside of HUDs, etc obviously).
Some also do "warranty voiding" defeat of ASBL because it bothers them in apps, web pages, documents, etc- removing an important safety ~ burn-down mitigating and lifetime increasing feature. No way to know if people are using things like "dark reader" addon for their web browser religiously, all black backgrounds and things like using the "turn off the screen" function (turning off emitters only function LG provides) when afk, not looking at screen/long-paused content, etc. Removing all icons from the screen, hiding taskbar and making it translucent, dark theme incl. window borders, set window borders to ultra-thin, all black backgrounds, wallpaper, etc.
Another thing that may not be as obvious, and which would be hard to reliably determine from users, is heat (including direct sunlight) hitting a display regularly can affect it's lifespan, especially organics. I had the black back of a 70" vizio FALD LCD TV I bought in 2016 get burned in shadow area(s) from bright sunlight hitting the back of it regularly after several years. I used to hear the whole plastic housing creak and pop as the temperature dropped in the evening after the black back of the housing was cooking in the sun all day. Some people are probably using their pcs in hot rooms in summer, and some are probably letting direct sunlight intensity heat the front or (black) back of the display. Probably not the best scenario for organics.
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People's usage scenarios (and level of "abuse") can vary. Some people use OLEDs as singular desktop monitors without switching to a lower brightness when doing static desktop/apps (e.g. a different named pictured mode that you set a more reasonable static content brightness on, or other method). Some people primarily game on their OLED and don't keep static window content and window frames on them regularly (outside of HUDs, etc obviously).
Some also do "warranty voiding" defeat of ASBL because it bothers them in apps, web pages, documents, etc- removing an important safety ~ burn-down mitigating and lifetime increasing feature. No way to know if people are using things like "dark reader" addon for their web browser religiously, all black backgrounds and things like using the "turn off the screen" function (turning off emitters only function LG provides) when afk, not looking at screen/long-paused content, etc. Removing all icons from the screen, hiding taskbar and making it translucent, dark theme incl. window borders, set window borders to ultra-thin, all black backgrounds, wallpaper, etc.
Another thing that may not be as obvious, and which would be hard to reliably determine from users, is heat (including direct sunlight) hitting a display regularly can affect it's lifespan, especially organics. I had the black back of a 70" vizio FALD LCD TV I bought in 2016 get burned in shadow area(s) from bright sunlight hitting the back of it regularly after several years. I used to hear the whole plastic housing creak and pop as the temperature dropped in the evening after the black back of the housing was cooking in the sun all day. Some people are probably using their pcs in hot rooms in summer, and some are probably letting direct sunlight intensity heat the front or (black) back of the display. Probably not the best scenario for organics.
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It seems this kind of pixel degradation has nothing to do with usage scenario, just age. And due to the fact it's happening mostly at the corners and borders, makes me believe the panel is somehow being stressed at these points, or perhaps it could be a manufacturing issue.
I have found fewer cases on C1's, it's mostly on older panels like the 2017~2019 models.
And dont bother replying, I cant see your messages anymore.
I have found fewer cases on C1's, it's mostly on older panels like the 2017~2019 models.
How do I hate OLED when 2 of my displays are OLED?
And dont bother replying, I cant see your messages anymore.
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Maybe the organic candy gets brittle at the edges when it starts to go stale or something, or perhaps the heat can't diffuse/escape as well near the edges of the CX's frame, where the frame might be insulating it somehow. Still though, a lot of static stuff like interfaces.. window frames, scroll bars, ribbons, tooboxes, huds, info bars, scene lighting, etc are often on the edges/periphery of screens.
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It's not over, unless you just mean that the CX lifespan is getting aged in some units starting on year 5 rather than speaking about OLED tech in general, maybe that's what you meant. You mentioned 2017 (7 to) 8 year old to 2019 models (5 to) 6 years old, depending when you bought one,. . too though.
OLED technology continues to advance, and like OLED, FALD LCDs still have their own major tradeoffs. It's well known that oled has a lifespan, but there have been a lot of complaints of various issues on samsung and asus LCDs over the years as well.
The blue oled is the weakest one since it's still fluorescent. It's not just that the blue sub-pixel is weaker, it's that it generates a lot of heat which is bad for all of the organics. phOLED should be better longevity and output wise, along with micro lens arra/MLA/"meta" lens amplification.
I really would like if in addition to all phOLED emitters and MLA, that they would put full heatsink backing + active fans with cooling profiles on high performance OLED gaming monitors and tvs (allowing users to set options from zero fans, moderate, to aggressive.. . and accompanying brightness and ABL differences).
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It's not over, unless you just mean that the CX lifespan is getting aged in some units starting on year 5 rather than speaking about OLED tech in general, maybe that's what you meant. You mentioned 2017 (7 to) 8 year old to 2019 models (5 to) 6 years old, depending when you bought one,. . too though.
OLED technology continues to advance, and like OLED, FALD LCDs still have their own major tradeoffs. It's well known that oled has a lifespan, but there have been a lot of complaints of various issues on samsung and asus LCDs over the years as well.
The blue oled is the weakest one since it's still fluorescent. It's not just that the blue sub-pixel is weaker, it's that it generates a lot of heat which is bad for all of the organics. phOLED should be better longevity and output wise, along with micro lens arra/MLA/"meta" lens amplification.
I really would like if in addition to all phOLED emitters and MLA, that they would put full heatsink backing + active fans with cooling profiles on high performance OLED gaming monitors and tvs (allowing users to set options from zero fans, moderate, to aggressive.. . and accompanying brightness and ABL differences).
PHOLED stands for Phosphorescent Organic Light-emitting Diode, and it's a type of organic light-emitting diode (OLED) that uses phosphorescence to be more efficient than fluorescent OLEDs:
- Efficiency: PHOLEDs are nearly 100% efficient, meaning they convert all electrical energy into light energy. In contrast, fluorescent materials are only about 25% efficient, with the rest of the energy turning into heat.
- Heat: PHOLEDs don't generate damaging heat.
- Battery life: PHOLEDs can save power and battery life.
- Subpixel: PHOLEDs are a type of subpixel, which is an element in OLED displays.
- Development: Many industrial and academic research groups are developing PHOLED technology.
- Commercial availability: Universal Display Corporation (UDC) is supplying red and green PHOLEDs to most manufacturers of OLED displays. UDC was originally supposed to launch a stable blue PHOLED by the end of 2024, but has delayed the launch to 2025.
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It's likely a manufacturing issue with this particular panel model, maybe fixed on newer ones as C1 users don't seem to be reporting this.
It sucks considering I have a Panasonic ST50 plasma that is 12 years old and still works without a single issue as my parents' TV.
I also believe it to be a manufacturing defect.
As reflected in posts elsewhere on this site, mine was hardly old when this started happening to my CX. And as my usage was at pixel light zero almost always, there certainly was no excuse for it.
It's not bad, but as more pixels starting failing around the edges I could see where it was going.
So I grabbed a C1 while I still had a chance, which was on Amazon as "used very good" or something like that, but then was zero hours on the clock I saw when it arrived.
The C1 arrived with some bad pixels along the very edges, which I take no mind of. However, will it start to degrade also along the edges as the CX was starting to? I don't know.
It sucks, because no OLED Motion Pro on the newer models. And who knows if one can even source another at this point. Especially the 48" one...
Crossing my fingers on this C1.
Out of curiosity I asked about the dead pixels and repairs from LG Finland. As I expected, they basically told me to go pound sand because the display is 4.5 years old.
I guess I'll ride the CX until something better comes along or it gets too degraded that it actually bothers me.
I guess I'll ride the CX until something better comes along or it gets too degraded that it actually bothers me.
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Mine has thousands of dead pixels all along the edges now so it's pretty much unusable as a monitor, but as a TV from far viewing distance it's still perfectly fine. I am getting the itch to upgrade it though because from a TV standpoint, the picture quality is pretty 'meh' by today's standards. I'll see what 2025 brings to the the table and if it's nothing noteworthy over 2024 models then I'll just wait for some crazy good clearance pricing on those.
Can you post a pic how it looks?
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Sure. Here's pictures of all the edges. The camera can't even capture all of the dead pixels but there's definitely thousands of them. Despite that I still use the CX as a TV
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I think I have more dead pixels but they are all clustered on the very edges so it's not visibly much of a problem. Don't notice them playing games or watching media.Sure. Here's pictures of all the edges. The camera can't even capture all of the dead pixels but there's definitely thousands of them. Despite that I still use the CX as a TV
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If I'm sitting monitor distance I notice them quite easily now, but from TV distance I can't spot any. Given that the C4 can probably drop to around 700$ I'm fine with buying one as a short stopgap display until PHOLED arrives which is 2026 at the earliest IMO.
Yeah mine is a living room TV for media and gaming now, so it took me ages to notice in the first place. I'm fine with how the TV performs overall, so for me the upgrade would have to be e.g 4K 240 Hz + better HDR. Anything less is "eh, I'll wait as long as this keeps working."
If the rumors of only 165 Hz and no MLA are true, there's just no sense to buy for the most part the same TV. I'd also rather not go Samsung as their shit is generally more buggy and less user friendly.
I've been fine with the LG WebOS for the most part, namely pretty quick access to settings, per input settings work and the smart TV stuff has worked decently.
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Love to know if bestbuy honored the 5 year warranty and how. Friend has burn in and bestbuy won't accept and they seem to be just making it work. Told them to not give up
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Can you give some more info on this? My cousin plans to redeem his Geeksquad warranty on his CX for a C5 next year.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl7yTFtKois
There WILL be a 48 inch G5 OLED. Oh mah gawd us CX owners finally have something to upgrade to! My CX can finally retire.
