Let the 6970 Rumors Begin

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XSNiper said:
I am waiting for the 570/6950 (as I mentioned in my first sentence of my post you quoted.), I wanted to know if its expected to be released before Christmas this year since I haven't heard anything about these, I've only been hearing about 580/6970.
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Nvidia made an official top-to-bottom total refresh within 3 months for every release promise, so the 570 will be launched at latest 3 months from now. For all we know, its this month.

Here's the roadmap for the 6950/6970/6990:
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http://www.nordichardware.com/news/71-graphics/41433-amd-radeon-hd-6000-roadmap-leaked.html
 
I would really like close to 5870 CFX performance on a single card. I hate my CFX setup and I'm not doing CFX/SLI anymore.

The 580 gets close, but definitely not worth it for the price they want.
 
XSNiper said:
I am waiting for the 570/6950 (as I mentioned in my first sentence of my post you quoted.), I wanted to know if its expected to be released before Christmas this year since I haven't heard anything about these, I've only been hearing about 580/6970.
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From the slides, it looks like the 6970 and 6950 will be released at about the same time, so hopefully they will both be out by Christmas.
 
verylostindeed said:
I would really like close to 5870 CFX performance on a single card. I hate my CFX setup and I'm not doing CFX/SLI anymore.

The 580 gets close, but definitely not worth it for the price they want.
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I agree, if AMD can top the 580 by 10% with its 6970 for say $450 it will be one hell of a card. I hope they pull it off.
 
Tamlin_WSGF said:
Nvidia made an official top-to-bottom total refresh within 3 months for every release promise, so the 570 will be launched at latest 3 months from now. For all we know, its this month.
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I actually think the 570 might be undecided.

If Cayman is really just slightly larger than Cypress, then Nvidia might wait and see what Cayman brings. If Cayman is < GTX 580, Nvidia might use the GF114 to fight it, as its more cost/price effective. If Cayman is > GTX 580, then Nvidia might need the GF110 cut down to fight the Cayman Pro for instance.
 
This is the preformance slide.



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And some news, but old news from AMD.

AMD Codename Decoder &#8211; November 9, 2010
&#8220;Antilles&#8221;
Market: Discrete GPUs
What is it? AMD Radeon&#8482; HD 6000 Series graphics card for ultra-enthusiasts that will feature two GPUs on one board.
Planned for introduction: Q1 2011

&#8220;Cayman&#8221;
Market: Discrete GPUs
What is it? Second-generation DirectX® 11-capable GPU to launch in the &#8220;Northern Islands&#8221; family, will be branded AMD Radeon&#8482; HD 69XX graphics processors.
Planned for introduction: Q4 2010
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http://blogs.amd.com/work/fadcodenames/
 
ZerazaX said:
I actually think the 570 might be undecided.

If Cayman is really just slightly larger than Cypress, then Nvidia might wait and see what Cayman brings. If Cayman is < GTX 580, Nvidia might use the GF114 to fight it, as its more cost/price effective. If Cayman is > GTX 580, then Nvidia might need the GF110 cut down to fight the Cayman Pro for instance.
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If the 6970 lays the smack down on the 580 (price vs performance wise), then I doubt we'll see a 570 or 560 for the matter.
 
ZerazaX said:
I actually think the 570 might be undecided.

If Cayman is really just slightly larger than Cypress, then Nvidia might wait and see what Cayman brings. If Cayman is < GTX 580, Nvidia might use the GF114 to fight it, as its more cost/price effective. If Cayman is > GTX 580, then Nvidia might need the GF110 cut down to fight the Cayman Pro for instance.
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570 will probably be made of the chips that wasn't good enough for 580 and gets simd's disabled (like 480 vs 470). I doubt Nvidia will discard those chips. :)
 
verylostindeed said:
I would really like close to 5870 CFX performance on a single card. I hate my CFX setup and I'm not doing CFX/SLI anymore.

The 580 gets close, but definitely not worth it for the price they want.
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The 5970 is 2 lots of 5870 hardware on one PCB, if you're willing to over volt the card and have a good PSU to back it up, then actually getting 2x5870 speeds out of the card is fairly trivial. I have mine running at 900/1200 at the moment, in fact the only reason I went above 850 core was because of Metro2033 :D
 
Tamlin_WSGF said:
570 will probably be made of the chips that wasn't good enough for 580 and gets simd's disabled (like 480 vs 470). I doubt Nvidia will discard those chips. :)
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As long as it doesn't turn into an embarrassment like the 465.

I am waiting for the 570/6950 (as I mentioned in my first sentence of my post you quoted.), I wanted to know if its expected to be released before Christmas this year since I haven't heard anything about these, I've only been hearing about 580/6970.
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I missed that first part, but I still say the same thing. If you're looking for the a $300 from the current generation, then waiting on the 6950 will be your best bet.
 
x3sphere said:
I agree, if AMD can top the 580 by 10% with its 6970 for say $450 it will be one hell of a card. I hope they pull it off.
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Going to be R300 (but Nvida doesn't have FX fail this round so a tad under) like if that happens. Would get really fierce price drops on both sides as well.
 
Can anyone make an educated guess on how long after the release of the card will waterblocks become available for it?
 
Andhrimnir... GTX 580 blocks will be out by end of this month. The 6870 blocks should be arriving next week or early the week after that... (Got the info from FrozenCPU)
 
Haha AMD is doing exactly the same thing they did before the launch of Barts. Everyone remember how there were slides from XFX that said Barts Pro was 800 SPUs and Barts XT only 960 SPUs and the real SPU counts were much higher? :)
The 1536 part was let out among AIBs to make Nvidia commit to certain clock speeds and price for the GTX580 and it seems like they ate the bait. Here is a run down of the latest rumors:

- Cayman XT is a 1920 SP chip.
- Cayman XT consists of six modules, each with one tessellators.
- TMUs no longer attach to the SIMD Cores. 4 (x4) TMUs are shared in the module.
- Conference in Mainland China this week, launch still on track for 22 November.

Sources are Napoleon from Chipell, someone from ZOL and Edison from PCinLife.
http://www.chiphell.com/thread-137198-1-1.html

Since we know the 1536 SPU part exists, I speculate they might use that for the 6990.

P.S: This launch reminds me of the HD4870 launch. Everyone assumed it would have 480SPUs and got Nvidia to commit the GTX260 to a $500 launch price, then bam! the 4870 drops with 800 SPUs and costs significantly less than the GTX260.
 
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Speculating further the line up would look like this:

Radeon HD6990: 2x1536 SPUs + 4GB
Radeon HD6970: 1920 SPUs + 2GB
Radeon HD6950: 1536? SPUs + 2GB

Antilles (HD6990) would be a beast since early speculation put the 1536 part on par with the GTX580 and how well Barts scales in Crossfire. The gap between the 6970 and 6950 seems a little too wide tho so 6950 could end up having a completely different SPU count.
 
when is the paper launch for these chips? end of the month?
 
There's no need to paper launch a product unless you can't actually produce it yet. *cough* Fermi whitepapers *cough*.
 
lol I guess when we will see this hardware, a paper launch at least would tell us legit specs, I just want the opportunity to see the 6970/90 benched!
 
Why would it be a paper launch? Now even FudZilla is saying that they might have more boards than Nvidia expected

Unless by paper launch you mean they hand you a card and a paper receipt of how much you paid...
 
heflys20 said:
Well, that's reassuring.....To some extent.
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I feel the same way, although there are some speculations it will make it on time and some even coming from reliable sources. Here's a post from the beyond 3d forum that kind of stuck out

On another news, VR-Zone says the cards are indeed delayed, and according to Sampsa one of his non-AMD sources says the same http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-rade...med/10276.html

However, the issue is not yields or such, but just too low availability of one specific driver-MOSFET from Texas Instruments, which is "so new there's no info about it available, not even from TI"HD6800 uses the same, and apparently there just isn't enough of them at the moment

Anyway a single story about it being on track is all I needed to feel better about it. Still not completely reassured but I feel better. :)

Also the hint of it being faster sounds cool too. Although they confirm more hardware no telling what the clocks are going to be so there is no real way to gauge how much faster if they are. What worries me about it, is that they are talking about it coming out more expensive than 480 if I read it correctly. Possible 30% more performance could be more expensive. I doint believe it will be more but if it is it would be a bad day, I think $499 is my limit for a single high end card. I dunno what will happen. I'm sure come time for the conference they mention for this saturday we should get even more leaks.
 
If the die is, in fact, physically smaller than the GTX580, I have a hard time believing it would be a more expensive card (the MSRP anyway), it wouldn't impact 580 sales as much as it otherwise could if it was higher priced and that would enable Nvidia to capture a larger piece of market share, which AMD definitely doesn't want.

Chances are we'll all be price gouged by retailers but that's to be expected.
 
lostroc888 said:
If the die is, in fact, physically smaller than the GTX580, I have a hard time believing it would be a more expensive card (the MSRP anyway), it wouldn't impact 580 sales as much as it otherwise could if it was higher priced and that would enable Nvidia to capture a larger piece of market share, which AMD definitely doesn't want.

Chances are we'll all be price gouged by retailers but that's to be expected.
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I dont think it'll be priced higher either but the chinese forum guys are speculating it may be. Perhaps in China but not here... Hopefully.
 
samurai1999 said:
We need the final specs and some benches now...
:D
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Well with the track record going lately we should get a leaked review just before launch :D

Hopefully the next one will be of better quality, even though it was preliminary it showed GTX 580 only 12-14% faster when the card launched my check across 11 reviews was that it was actually anywhere from 15-25% faster and more often than not 20% faster. With drivers perhaps we can get that 25% faster more consistently.

And now to read 11 reviews of 6970 to see what I'll be getting :D Like borat Says "I'M SO EXICITE!!"
 
gigatexal said:
where are these reviews?
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I'm referring to, there being a leaked review of 6970 before NDA is up just like on 6870 and 580. Then talking about how the first 580 review that leaked, was the worse review on the internet.
 
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Someone did a napkin math estimate that the 1536 SPU Cayman needed to be about 810 Mhz to match the GTX580. As with all rumors, take this with a grain of salt.
 
If it's true, it might explain why Nvidia was so determined to get the 580 out first.
 
heflys20 said:
If it's true, it might explain why Nvidia was so determined to get the 580 out first.
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This speculation I never agreed with 100%, I dont think nvidia has any idea how these gpu's would perform, if they did have an idea they would probably assume the slightly, slower than Hemlock 6970 that seems to be in all AMD's slides.
 
heflys20 said:
If it's true, it might explain why Nvidia was so determined to get the 580 out first.
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What I was saying for a while in another thread. I got some really amusing fanboism spin answers as well.

Oh yea and I think its safe to assume sweet spot strategy is out the window
 
Lord_Exodia said:
This speculation I never agreed with 100%, I dont think nvidia has any idea how these gpu's would perform, if they did have an idea they would probably assume the slightly, slower than Hemlock 6970 that seems to be in all AMD's slides.
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I'm certain they know a lot about the 69xx series, particularly since AMD is their only competitor. For instance, AMD claimed they knew an improved 480 was coming out for quite some time.
 
heflys20 said:
I'm certain they know a lot about the 69xx series, particularly since AMD is their only competitor. For instance, AMD claimed they knew an improved 480 was coming out for quite some time.
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I know what you mean, but what I'm saying is I don't think they knew any information about it being as powerful as these new speculation rumors are saying. They DID know about it but they probably thought it would be the slightly slower than Hemlock 6970 most of their slides show. Once they got their GTX 580 bios finalized they probably felt confident they could compete well with it and wanted to beat them to the market to upstage them. I don't think when they got 580 performance #s they rushed it out as I believe they anticipated the speed of 6970 being on par with their chip.
 
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