Let the 6970 Rumors Begin

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Snowdog said:
They only made money that quarter because Intel settled with them and gave them a Billion Dollars.
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I never indicated that that wasn't the reason. The question was how they were managing to make a profit.

John Vuong said:
Fudzilla has more info on the 6970:

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20743-cayman-hd6970-has-2gb-ram

The 2GB of VRAM is indeed nice.
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Fuad says 2 gb is overkill.....Right..........You'd think Fuad wouldn't be such a blatant Nvidia fanatic.
 
People should stop linking and discussing fudzilla but then again there will always be fanboys looking for crap to smear on the competition.
Let me debunk all the crap he posted in those articles with a single picture.

Radeon HD6970 2GB DDR5
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And if one is not enough, have a couple more ;)
Radeon HD6970 2GB DDR5
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DedEmbryonicCe11 said:
Was that a joke?:confused:
Looks like 10 1/4" - 10 1/2" to me.
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Yup, the card is about the same length as the 5870.

Lord_Exodia said:
Are there any more performance rumors and benchmarks or leaks newer than this http://techiser.com/amd-radeon-hd-6970-fastest-single-card-128486.html yet?

This is the latest info I've read.
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Then you need to stop reading websites that post articles based on wrong and outdated rumors. ;)

umcpgrad said:
so 580 will be 15% faster
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You are also very very wrong ;)
 
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Lorien said:
Yup, the card is about the same length as the 5870.



Then you need to stop reading websites that post articles based on wrong and outdated rumors. ;)


You are also very very wrong ;)
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Just out of curiosity- do you have a card in hand? If so- how is it you get them?

I wish I could be a hardware reviewer- that would probably be my dream job at this point:-P
 
Flyinfinni said:
Just out of curiosity- do you have a card in hand?
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No I do not. That's a picture from someone in China I believe.
If so- how is it you get them?
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I've heard people at shipping warehouses smuggling one or two for the right price in the past. Tho these days security is so tight that it doesn't happen anymore. The person who took the pictures probably works at the receiving warehouse of an AIB vendor.

I know this because all of the initial batch of Cayman boards will be MBA (Manufactured by AMD). Notice on the first picture that the card has a plastic film to protect the shiny finish of the heatsink shroud. This is done so that the AIBs can slap their branded stickers on top and sell them to you.

I wish I could be a hardware reviewer- that would probably be my dream job at this point:-P
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Meh. I'd rather enjoy the cards playing games as a consumer without the burden of slaving away testing the damn things.
 
Lorien said:
Then you need to stop reading websites that post articles based on wrong and outdated rumors. ;)
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Damn dude, you could have at least pointed me to the newer rumors. Rude.. :p Either way this seems like the most recent

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-radeon-hd-6970-pictures/10240.html

Flyinfinni said:
Just out of curiosity- do you have a card in hand? If so- how is it you get them?

I wish I could be a hardware reviewer- that would probably be my dream job at this point:-P
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No he does not, he got those pictures here

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-radeon-hd-6970-pictures/10240.html

I think the 6970 as it currently stands is either a little slower or around the same speed as the GTX 580. However AMD has an advantage because they can get a GTX 580 which launches 13 days before Cayman, permitting its not dealayed and adjust their clocks to beat it. I wouldn't be surprised if either company changes their clocks at the last minute.

6970 Facts

11 inches long
2GB GDDR 5 (256 bit)
1 8pin 1 6 pin power
2x DVI 2x Display Port 1x hdmi
 
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Lord_Exodia said:
Damn dude, you could have at least pointed me to the newer rumors. Rude.. :p Either way this seems like the most recent

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-radeon-hd-6970-pictures/10240.html



No he does not, he got those pictures here

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-radeon-hd-6970-pictures/10240.html

I think the 6970 as it currently stands is either a little slower or around the same speed as the GTX 580. However AMD has an advantage because they can get a GTX 580 which launches 13 days before Cayman, permitting its not dealayed and adjust their clocks to beat it.
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Nope I didn't get them from the VR-Zone article. I posted the pics a couple minutes before they posted that article but who cares. My original post was to stop the FUD and baseless rumors fudzilla was running saying there is no hardware or that the card might be late lol

That VR-zone article does link to where I got the pictures from tho.
http://diybbs.zol.com.cn/11/198_101958.html
 
Nvidia Nex Gen
384 bit / 8 = 48
48 * 4008 = 192384 = 192.384GB/s

Leaked info so far {insert grain of salt here}
192.384GB/s Mem Bandwidth
1.5 GB 1002mhz (4008mhz effective)
772mhz core

AMD Nex Gen (256bit bus assumed)
256 bit / 8 = 32
32 * 5500 = 176000 = 176GB/s

leaked info so far {insert grain of salt here}
176GB/s Mem Bandwidth
2GB 1375 mhz (5500mhz effective)
860mhz core

~~ If my math is right then it looks to me like the 6970 will have slightly less mem bandwidth not sure how much that'll affect framerate ~~

AMD Source
http://diybbs.zol.com.cn/11/198_101958.html (mem speed on 3rd page)

Nvidia Source
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/11/04/asus-leaks-gtx580-specs/1
 
I do hope that the 6950/6970 (Cayman) and 6990 (Antilles?) are on time, as after seeing MSAA and hearing Nvidia's recent stance on quite a few things, I'm pretty sure some variant is going to be my next card.

Does anyone have any informed speculation on composition of the 6970 and 6990? For instance, assuming that the Antilles the dual GPU card, will be called the 6990 this time around (instead of it being an enhanced 6970 single GPU, like the 4890 was), is there anything to suggest it is to be more like the 4870x2 where it is comprised of 2 full spec/clock 6970 cores, or will it be more like the 5970 where it is more like a pair of 6950s instead?

Secondly, with the info that the reference 6970 is equipped with 2 GB GDDR5, does this mean there will be less variation in card spec than in the 5000 series? For instance the only 2gb versions of the 5870 were the Eyefinity 6 designs and special editions like the Asus Matrix that came out significantly after release. Will the same thing happen again where there real spec differences, or will it just be clock speeds and coolers? I am very impressed with Asus' 5870 Matrix (and their ARES for that matter, which is what the 5970 SHOULD have been!) and will seek something similar in the 69xx if available, but I guess it all depends on how much latitude is workable to add RAM and other actual features as opposed to just minor overclocking and speedbinning of sorts. Nomatter what, I would like to see manufacturers partners and AMD themselves announce/list these "Better versions" - its highly frustrating to shell out a few hundred dollars for the new 6970 only to have the "Special Edition" with twice the ram, better types of RAM, a new chip layout for better thermals and other stuff that can't be added in after market (unlike say, higher clocks or a cooler. You can always use a 3rd party cooling solution or OC it in Catalyst, but you're not going to be able to add another 1gb of RAM etc...)!
 
People are duped by Nvidias marketing.
Putting out something which they done again and again that it is coming but seldom is.
Impressions dont last long but by going out to the gamer audience allows viral marketing to happen.

there is a card, but wont be in shop in quantity as far we seen.
 
Once 580 and 6970 are out, we can be sure there will be an EPIC [H] shootout article!
 
Yep should be exciting, I will end up grabbing the coolest of the two, personally I would take cool and quiet over the top performer if I have to (if both are monsters I'll just end up installing after-market cooling). Personally I'm hoping that the 6970 will be the cheaper of the two and run cooler. I guess we'll find out in a few weeks.
 
It sucks .....

AMD’s Cayman Christmas card delayed say Taiwanese sources
Fabless chip shop AMD was set to launch its "Cayman" GPU (aka AMD Radeon HD 6970) in the week of November 22nd - just in time for the tech-Xmas season – but reliable word from the Taiwanese street is that the product has been delayed due to yield problems at apparently not-so-fab Fab TSMC.

The high-end HD 6970 Cayman GPU-based board is reported to have a whopping 2GB of GDDR5 memory and a 256-bit controller which – at least in terms of RAM quantity- is more powerful than Nvidia’s upcoming GeForce GTX 580 card which only sports a sniff-worthy 1.5GB.

Of course, as most people with common sense know, 1GB is more than enough for even the most high end cards, but GPUs are an ego based game and bigger is always better – at least according to the mad men of tech marketing.

It doesn’t matter how big you are, however, if you don’t show up and put some skin in the game which, according to our talkative Taiwanese buddies is likely the case for AMD which simply cannot yield the product in any significant volume at manufacturer TSMC on time.

According to our sources, yields for Cayman are still in the single digits and there's minimal chance AMD will have any shot of achieving its schedule or production/ship targets for Q4. This could also really hurt if Nvidia successfully launches its GTX 580 in volume – despite its smaller RAM offering.

No doubt this will all come to light when samples slated for press testing get held up in the holiday post. We’ll bring you more as we hear it.

Read more: http://www.techeye.net/chips/amds-cayman-christmas-card-delayed-say-taiwanese-sources#ixzz14h6HcMXc
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Some rather bad translation.

This placard purely is the somniloquy, if has the identicalness, incomparably is honored!
6970 is hard? Everybody did not know!
But, we may have a dream, talk in a dream!
The wheel disclosed - - 580 regarding 480 performance promotion is: But
15-20% I looked at the wheel to 480 evaluations, 480 must outdo to 5870 performance: 23.31%
580 outdoes in other words, to 5870 performance: 38.31-43.31%
continues is the wheel evaluation, 6870 must outdo to 5770 performance: 46.4%
we according to simple logic reasoning, then 6970 must outdo to 5870 performance: As soon as
46.4% finally adds and subtracts calculated that,6970 must outdo to 580 performance: 8.09-3.09%
indications: Here performance refers to the actual performance, must runs a minute performance - - because the wheel said 15-20% is the actual performance!
Summary: 6970 and 580 in about the same, the disparity are most cannot surpass 5%, looked who conserves energy, the low heat, peacefully, with prompt promotes the corresponding actuation!
AMD finally also had the confidence and ability and NV directly has fought hand-to-hand - - this to the user is the biggest advantage good news! Oh!
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http://www.chiphell.com/thread-136291-1-1.html
 
Even if it's delayed, aren't there some cards in the wild? Nothing's stopping AMD from benching/presenting the card.
 
Xaeos said:
Does anyone have any informed speculation on composition of the 6970 and 6990? For instance, assuming that the Antilles the dual GPU card, will be called the 6990 this time around (instead of it being an enhanced 6970 single GPU, like the 4890 was), is there anything to suggest it is to be more like the 4870x2 where it is comprised of 2 full spec/clock 6970 cores, or will it be more like the 5970 where it is more like a pair of 6950s instead?
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Well I've not heard any rumours about this yet.

But one thing to keep in mind is that the 5970 actually did use 5870 hardware and not 5850, the only reason the 5970 was clocked at 5850 speeds was to keep power draw below 300W which is the limit in the PCI-E specifications for a single PCI-E card.

This hasn't changed to my knowledge so unless they're willing to risk breaking that 300W limit then there won't be any stock 6xxx cards faster than the 5970, I don't think architectural design is going to significantly increase performance per watt, that usually comes from a shrink in the transistor size which we don't have this gen.

Has a 6990 even been rumoured/announced yet? We maybe getting ahead of ourselves here...
 
PrincessFrosty said:
Well I've not heard any rumours about this yet.

But one thing to keep in mind is that the 5970 actually did use 5870 hardware and not 5850, the only reason the 5970 was clocked at 5850 speeds was to keep power draw below 300W which is the limit in the PCI-E specifications for a single PCI-E card.

This hasn't changed to my knowledge so unless they're willing to risk breaking that 300W limit then there won't be any stock 6xxx cards faster than the 5970, I don't think architectural design is going to significantly increase performance per watt, that usually comes from a shrink in the transistor size which we don't have this gen.

Has a 6990 even been rumoured/announced yet? We maybe getting ahead of ourselves here...
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Except that they ARE improving perf/watt. the 6870/50 are better Perf/watt than the 5xxx series, and the 69xx are an even more improved architecture. They'll be better in perf/watt. The question is just how much better.
 
From ABT's 580 review:

This Morning’s Interview with AMD’s Stanley Ossias, Director, Mobile Discreet Graphics Product Management at AMD

(in Progress)

We had an opportunity to interview Stanley Ossias, Director, Mobile Discreet Graphics Product Management at AMD right about the time that the GTX 580 NDA ended. Basically the message was that AMD expected this improved version of Fermi and is completely set to counter it now and with the further release of HD 6000 series. They feel that they have the right product and the right price point and that competition is good. We will have more later on and in a separate published interview. Stay tuned as this graphics war gets more and more exciting and ABT is reporting from right on the battlefront’s front lines.
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http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=21778&page=30
 
Gragget said:
Nice, so i will not pull the trigger just yet, eventhough i most terribly need a need card, am using 790GX onboard gfx at the moment.

But when will the next generation be presented to the public. He didnt say anything about that.
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Most companies don't until a few days before...
 
Is there going to be a 570 or 6950 in time for Christmas? All I've been hearing is things about 580/6970 and they seem to be too expensive for me. (580 is $500 atm) At the same time the 6870 isn't really that much better then last generation and is around $240. I want a card in the $300 pricerange and the performance to go with it :|
 
XSNiper said:
Is there going to be a 570 or 6950 in time for Christmas? All I've been hearing is things about 580/6970 and they seem to be too expensive for me. (580 is $500 atm) At the same time the 6870 isn't really that much better then last generation and is around $240. I want a card in the $300 pricerange and the performance to go with it :|
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You do realize that the 6850 and 6870 are replacements for the 57xx mainstream market, and that the 69x is replacing the 58xx series, right? The 6870 is 40% better (overall) than the 5770. Maybe you should wait for 6950?
 
I am waiting for the 570/6950 (as I mentioned in my first sentence of my post you quoted.), I wanted to know if its expected to be released before Christmas this year since I haven't heard anything about these, I've only been hearing about 580/6970.
 
I'm hoping the 6970 scales better with cfx and is close to if not just as fast or faster than the 580 and also cheaper. I hope it's at least 50 USD cheaper. Every dollar adds up or I'll win the lotto and upg to dual 580s and a new mobo and cpu when sandybridge comes out.
 
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