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Leaked AMD Ryzen Benchmarks?

Well, as usual we are now at the same place as always.

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CSI_PC said:
Bud, I linked what Tom's Hardware said about this, just showing the chart after what I said is kinda annoying :)


I appreciate your highlighting problems exist, but showing more than the chart is better.
Cheers
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AMD can't keep using that excuse though man, we have seen it time and time again GPU side and CPU, that is more annoying then anything else they do lol.
 
sover said:
I don't need one in my gaming machine as it's already a haswell i5 that I think does well enough for now, but when I rebuild my home video server this year a Zen CPU will be going into it.
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My plans are completely the opposite. My HTPC was going to be Kaby Lake, Ryzen was never on the radar because Ryzen, frankly, cannot touch G4560 when it comes to that price segment, not to mention that all of the newest media (4k Netflix and possibly UHD Blu-ray too) explicitly require Kaby Lake, so G4560 was my only CPU choice for that HTPC.

If Ryzen turned out to be a good chip, that would have been what I would replace my i7-4790k with, if it needed replacing.
 
sover said:
Sure, and those problems don't look like architecture to me. Possibly bad drivers, bios, or even code path problems. For a brand new architecture going up against a mature architecture from a much better financed rival the Zen is a significant achievement.

I don't need one in my gaming machine as it's already a haswell i5 that I think does well enough for now, but when I rebuild my home video server this year a Zen CPU will be going into it.
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I agree it looks to be better for small scale servers but time will tell if Intel drops prices on skylake e to keep them relevant.
 
Luka said:
Yes. Intel is killing it especially in single core score which tells us that IPC with Intel CPU is still better. Kaby Lake smokes everything due higher frequency. Also happens that overclocking with Ryzen just sucks but also proves what i was saying...get 1700 because it will reach same speed as 1800x for $200 less.
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that is the first blood draw, because kyle said to get the 1700X. at $329 it sits between the $299 7700k and the $359 6800k. And it still has more core muscle , as the multi threads benches showed.

my points:

-7700k still has the HTPC advantage with netflix 4k support.
-having more cores, costing almost the same and delivering almost the same when gaming makes the purchasing decision neutral: you need a high refresh rate, low resolution display to actually feel the 7700k gaming advantage, but for most other tasks the higher core count and better power profile are more relevant. And Ryzen has the future proof card: games will use more cores in the future. It is server grade CPU performance for desktop prices.

It behaves as a 4GHz 8c/16t Intel CPU, using less power than Intel and costing $329.
 
To be honest, we should have known something was up with gaming performance when AMD handed out a bunch of GPU bottlenecked games as "gaming comparison".
 
lolfail9001 said:
To be honest, we should have known something was up with gaming performance when AMD handed out a bunch of GPU bottlenecked games as "gaming comparison".
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Said it right from the start, if they aren't showing things clearly, there is smoke
 
lolfail9001 said:
To be honest, we should have known something was up with gaming performance when AMD handed out a bunch of GPU bottlenecked games as "gaming comparison".
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No you dont say? And reviews after sales didn't alert you either? :D
 
razor1 said:
AMD can't keep using that excuse though man, we have seen it time and time again GPU side and CPU, that is more annoying then anything else they do lol.
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Agreed but it is clear they launched Ryzen still too early, some aspects were still not mature from motherboards/firmware/microcode and likely OS-application integration-optimisation.
It does highlight another challenge for AMD, games and applications optimised for Intel as AMD has been out of the picture so long.
Cheers
 
well guys I stated this over PM in the first week over January once I started getting more concrete evidence

.......at this point I think Zen is going to be a disappointment for gamer but going to be a boon for 3d application users.........
 
In the Sniper Elite demo, AMD frequently looked at the skybox when reloading, and often kept more of the skybox in the frustum than on the side-by-side Intel processor. A skybox has no geometry, which is what loads a CPU with draw calls, and so it’ll inflate the framerate by nature of testing with chaotically conducted methodology. As for the Battlefield 1 benchmarks, AMD also conducted using chaotic methods wherein the AMD CPU would zoom / look at different intervals than the Intel CPU, making it effectively impossible to compare the two head-to-head. And, most importantly, all of these demos were run at 4K resolution. That creates a GPU bottleneck, meaning we are no longer observing true CPU performance. The analog would be to benchmark all GPUs at 720p, then declare they are equal (by way of tester-created CPU bottlenecks). There’s an argument to be made that low-end performance doesn’t matter if you’re stuck on the GPU, but that’s a bad argument: You don’t buy a worse-performing product for more money, especially when GPU upgrades will eventually out those limitations as bottlenecks external to the CPU vanish.
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http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...review-premiere-blender-fps-benchmarks/page-5

Ouch. Someone calls them out on their BS finally. This will be my go-to point when the inevitable "AMD is an ethical company" BS resurfaces on the forums. CPU benchmarks in games at 4K. SEEMS LEGIT. TOTALLY LIVE UP TO THE HYPE
 
Ieldra said:
http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...review-premiere-blender-fps-benchmarks/page-5

Ouch. Someone calls them out on their BS finally. This will be my go-to point when the inevitable "AMD is an ethical company" BS resurfaces on the forums. CPU benchmarks in games at 4K. SEEMS LEGIT. TOTALLY LIVE UP TO THE HYPE
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Its not really about ethics, they are going to do what ever it takes to show the best they can, and we should understand that and take AMD's benchmarks with a truck load of salt
 
AMD promised Ryzen in Q1 2017. Looks like they could have used the extra 29 days here. Regardless if reviewers are using immature drivers, etc., the initial reviews are what people are going to see first. Not many reviewers are going to give this initial launch another shake to show progress made. AMD really needed to knock it out of the park on Day 1—gaming failed though they likely will knock it out of the park on the workstation side of the equation in the price/performance arena.
 
pcper hints that for VR it will be worthwhile. All told, my expectation were reasonable and it's in line with them. Good at gaming, great at multithreaded workloads. I'm interested to try some ML stuff on it via h2o, will be interesting to compare to my i7-5500 work PC.
 
I have to chuckle a bit though - the fact that AMD was able to make a chip that sometimes matches intels fastest chips (sometimes passing, sometimes not - for games it appears to mainly be in the 1080p range where it doesn't - in 4k it matches?) in one generation is impressive. AMD's previous FX chips never even made it close to be an enthusiast product. I think people were hoping that it would come close to 10% less than Intels fastest chips at half the cost. And... it looks like it does? if not better in some instances? and yet... disappointment? lol

*needs some [H] review!*
 
Ieldra said:
http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...review-premiere-blender-fps-benchmarks/page-5

Ouch. Someone calls them out on their BS finally. This will be my go-to point when the inevitable "AMD is an ethical company" BS resurfaces on the forums. CPU benchmarks in games at 4K. SEEMS LEGIT. TOTALLY LIVE UP TO THE HYPE
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That was in the comments and not specifically by Steve ?
I cannot find the statement and block the comments.
Just clarifying as it can come across as it is in the article itself.
Thanks
 
CSI_PC said:
That was in the comments and not specifically by Steve ?
I cannot find the statement and block the comments.
Just clarifying as it can come across as it is in the article itself.
Thanks
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It's at the beginning of the conclusion, and razor1 ofc I don't expect AMD marketing to be ethical who gives a crap, they want to sell. It's just that people eat that shit all up and then call you an intel shill if you say ANYTHING about it lol
 
Ieldra said:
It's at the beginning of the conclusion, and razor1 ofc I don't expect AMD marketing to be ethical who gives a crap, they want to sell. It's just that people eat that shit all up and then call you an intel shill if you say ANYTHING about it lol
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Yeah its just common sense, marketing is all about selling, show the good stuff hide the bad stuff (or ignore the bad stuff), so if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

Where are all those people that said Jim Keller is the person to take Intel down now? No one guy is going to be able to go up against a company that has shown time and time again, why they were the first company to make a computer processor on silicon.
 
razor1 said:
Yeah its just common sense, marketing is all about selling, show the good stuff hide the bad stuff (or ignore the bad stuff), so if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

Where are all those people that said Jim Keller is the person to take Intel down now? No one guy is going to be able to go up against a company that has shown time and time again, why they were the first company to make a computer processor on silicon.
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What I am currently finding is conflicting results, I am waiting for kyle!

Allthough it is not veeery great in gaming, but not terrible but still very conflicting on how it really performs..
 
ole-m said:
What I am currently finding is conflicting results, I am waiting for kyle!

Allthough it is not veeery great in gaming, but not terrible but still very conflicting on how it really performs..
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Pretty much there's a lot of cherry picking going on. Not all games show the same results and if it's anything other than a game then the results really aren't bad at all. Pretty good actually.
 
ole-m said:
What I am currently finding is conflicting results, I am waiting for kyle!

Allthough it is not veeery great in gaming, but not terrible but still very conflicting on how it really performs..
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Depends on the games being tested, but same games are showing similar results.
 
Ieldra said:
It's at the beginning of the conclusion, and razor1 ofc I don't expect AMD marketing to be ethical who gives a crap, they want to sell. It's just that people eat that shit all up and then call you an intel shill if you say ANYTHING about it lol
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LOL.
Ok so this link instead : http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...review-premiere-blender-fps-benchmarks/page-8
I kept clicking yours that goes to page 5 and started swearing after the xth attempt looking for any bit of that quote :)
Cheers
 
fingerbob69 said:
Apparently everyone who buys a $500+ cpu games at 1080p.
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Its to show the potential of the CPU when there are no other constraints.

Bottlenecks shift with everything you have in your system and settings, without isolating the CPU you can't tell its true performance.
 


Interesting when looking at the 1700 vs the 7700K in practical gaming benches (1080P/1440P) it actually seems to hold its own. I don't think the 1700X/1800X are worth it strictly for gaming, but the 1700 and the R5/R3 chips might not be a bad option at all.
 
razor1 said:
Yeah its just common sense, marketing is all about selling, show the good stuff hide the bad stuff (or ignore the bad stuff), so if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

Where are all those people that said Jim Keller is the person to take Intel down now? No one guy is going to be able to go up against a company that has shown time and time again, why they were the first company to make a computer processor on silicon.
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That was part of the hype pushed by sites like bitsandchips, that published articles with a full reinvented and fake history about how Keller alone developed HTT, and was the lead engineer of K7 and K8, and how he alone was going to do the same again with Zen. I refuted all that nonsense with legit information, including the names of the lead engineers of K7 and K8. But bitsandchips continued Keller's cult and fueled by hype sites as WCCFTECH and fanboys in forums like SA.

Funny enough in the last Anandtech interview Lisa Su downplayed Keller's role and emphasized the central role played by Papermaster.
 
SimianRob said:


Interesting when looking at the 1700 vs the 7700K in practical gaming benches (1080P/1440P) it actually seems to hold its own. I don't think the 1700X/1800X are worth it strictly for gaming, but the 1700 and the R5/R3 chips might not be a bad option at all.
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Max oveclock on a Noctuna 14, what was ball's saying, he was going to get 4.2-4.4 ghz lol, they got 3.9!
 
juanrga said:
That was part of the hype pushed by sites like bitsandchips, that published articles with a full reinvented and fake history about how Keller alone developed HTT, and was the lead engineer of K7 and K8, and how he alone was going to do the same again with Zen. I refuted all that nonsense with legit information, including the names of the lead engineers of K7 and K8. But bitsandchips continued Keller's cult and fueled by hype sites as WCCFTECH and fanboys in forums like SA.

Funny enough in the last Anandtech interview Lisa Su downplayed Keller's role and emphasized the central role played by Papermaster.
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Those people don't know the computer industry, and AMD played them like a fiddle when they hired Keller, Keller is just a name, he needs a team to complete his tasks, and for one team to go against Intel who has 4 design teams AT least working on multiple generations and projects. Yeah the numbers won't match up.

Yeah read that that was funny lol.
 
razor1 said:
Its to show the potential of the CPU when there are no other constraints.

Bottlenecks shift with everything you have in your system and settings, without isolating the CPU you can't tell its true performance.
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From [H] review

Gaming Benchmarks



Gaming benchmarks on Ryzen are a critical mess. However it is worth noting here again, that these are very much benchmarks, and not actual gameplay. What we have come to find is that AMD has an issue with Ryzen at 1080P and seemingly lower resolutions when gaming, which is odd. I have talked to Ryan over at PCPer.com a few times during testing, and he has covered real world desktop gaming in-depth. I highly suggest giving it a read. I am not going to say much more about gaming here since I have little experience on that, but assuredly, there are some Ryzen problems when it comes to "low resolution" gaming. Of course, we can certaily argue and say that it is unlikely that lots of folks building a Ryzen system will actually be using such a "low" resolution display. The issues however seem to not affect Ryzen gameplay once the resolution scales up to 1400p/1600p/4K.
 
fingerbob69 said:
Now try live streaming your gameplay ...or turn off the game and get on with some real work ... which is now the better value cpu?
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"real work" is funny. It really depends on what you consider "real work". Encoding isn't the only work out there.
 
fingerbob69 said:
From [H] review

Gaming Benchmarks



Gaming benchmarks on Ryzen are a critical mess. However it is worth noting here again, that these are very much benchmarks, and not actual gameplay. What we have come to find is that AMD has an issue with Ryzen at 1080P and seemingly lower resolutions when gaming, which is odd. I have talked to Ryan over at PCPer.com a few times during testing, and he has covered real world desktop gaming in-depth. I highly suggest giving it a read. I am not going to say much more about gaming here since I have little experience on that, but assuredly, there are some Ryzen problems when it comes to "low resolution" gaming. Of course, we can certaily argue and say that it is unlikely that lots of folks building a Ryzen system will actually be using such a "low" resolution display. The issues however seem to not affect Ryzen gameplay once the resolution scales up to 1400p/1600p/4K.
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That is true and its explained very well.

You will not know what ryzen is capable of unless you take the GPU bottleneck out of the equation. Cause you can put in a 4 core Sandy bridge if the GPU is bottlenecking the system, well you can't tell the different between a 4 core SB and Ryzen.
 
-Strelok- said:
"real work" is funny. It really depends on what you consider "real work". Encoding isn't the only work out there.
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No doubt. And companies/people that do "real work" that needs that many cores aren't going to balk at a possible $500 cost increase for Intel when as of yet Ryzen's stability and TCO is an unknown.
 
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