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No way any hardware company like nVidia would make specific hardware (as in the chip) for mining. It’s too fluid.
Umm
They already did, almost a year ago.
https://1stminingrig.com/msi-nvidia-p106-100-mining-performance-review/
If the RT cores easily can, it could reignite crypto and pump more money into it again.
seems like a pretty heavy investment though doesn't it?
the ROI better be weeks.
This begs the question, was part of NVidias reasoning on the high price to reduce sales/value to miners?
Personally, I’d rather it this way.
Are you insane? Who in their right mind wants to pay extra money just so miners don't buy cards? What difference does it make if miners buy cards or not? For the average guy who only needs 1 video card, who cares if Dude #2 buys 15 for his mining rig as long he's not paying $800 for the 1 he wants.
The profits per card have dropped substantially so a small price increase reduces desirability a lot more.1080 FE MSRP was $699. Now the 2080 is $799. I imagine the chip is much larger but I haven’t see a number yet.
The 2080ti would normally be launched as a Titan at this point and you can get it for cheaper/better cooling right now. Personally, I’d rather it this way. The die size is 50% larger than the Titan X.
Anywho my point is the prices didn’t move much and like others said I highly doubt anyone is buying cards. The return on a 1080ti is about two years if you have free electricity. If you pay normal prices it’s 4-5 years....
The profits per card have dropped substantially so a small price increase reduces desirability a lot more.
Its just a thought.
My initial comment on their pricing was wtf?
They have lost many fans over their domineering and now pricing, I despair.
I think their margins must be way lower on these cards. Just from the BOM.
To me it depends if the 2080ti price drops to ~700-800 in 6-9 months when the ti usually launches after the Titan at reduced cost.
They should have just called the 2080ti a Titan. Everyone would have ate up the price staying the same.
I imagine the mining ASICs can be re-purposed to other data processing projects.
You can't just call the 2080 a 2080Ti and the 2080Ti a Titan to fit what you're saying because the performance isn't there. It doesn't look like the 2080 is going to be significantly faster than the 1080Ti (maybe 10%). If the 20XX pricing came in at $450, $600, $800, far fewer people would be complaining. But at $600, 800, 1200? Nvidia deserves the backlash they are getting.
If people were tracking their time on the forum as billable hours, I bet they've already spent more than $1,200 of time bitching and moaning.If the 20XX pricing came in at $450, $600, $800, far fewer people would be complaining. But at $600, 800, 1200? Nvidia deserves the backlash they are getting.
Does this not further prove my point? The entire point of an ASIC circuit is to perform *highly specialized* sets of calculations/work/tasks... (whatever engineering/physics term you like).
Crypto is a highly specialized task requiring highly specialized calculations in order to do quickly... EXACTLY what you would want an ASIC to do.... Likewise, raytracing is a *highly specialized* set of calculations well suited for an ASIC....
Take this news article for instance from March 2018 that says specialized crypto cards would be coming from Nvidia "soon"... capable of "47MH/s" and "879H/s" calculations.
Notice the specialized "mega hashes a second" marketing? Where have we seen that recently.... oh, right, "gigarays a second".... it's almost as if they took "mega hashes a second" and repurposed it to a new marketing term "gigarays a second".
https://www.techradar.com/news/nvid...hics-cards-designed-for-cryptocurrency-miners
TONS of tech sites were pushing out these news stories early this year.... this means in all likelihood, there WERE specialized crypto cards designed by Nvidia that were ready to hit the market sometime this year.
Here is another article from March saying that these specialized crypto cards would be "derived from Volta" according to some rumors.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidi...tomining-cards-leaked-by-Inno3D.289076.0.html
Interestingly, these RTX cards are also derived from Volta and have a specialized co-processor (the raytracing ASIC).... the crypto cards would have been derived from Volta and had a specialized co-processor (the crypto ASIC).... Just a hell of a coincidence.....
Obviously, all of the news from earlier this year was based on "rumors" and "leaks", so who knows what was right and wrong.... but there were literally dozens of these articles from dozens of news sites ranging from stock market news to tech news. This all didn't come out of a product that didn't exist.
And don't think Nvidia would be foolish enough to invest so much money/time into crypto processing? Here is Jensen Huang saying himself that he intended to make crypto the "CORE BUSINESS" of Nvidia just this past March!
https://bitcoinist.com/nvidia-ceo-b...-and-will-be-a-core-business-for-the-company/
So, if this dude, (the CEO), was planning on crypto being the new "core business" of the company just earlier this year, this all kind of comes together, doesn't it? The article quotes him as saying "Huang noted that the blockchain technology was going to stay for a while. He noted that the technology was going to be crucial in the years to come."
This dude was basically planning on ditching gaming for the crypto money grab (which he expected to last "for years to come"), then had the crypto market suddenly collapse, and had to double back to trying to get a new gaming product on the market.
All I'm saying is that companies don't like to invest millions of R&D dollars on a product only to have to scrap it. Re-purposing such a product is actually something that many companies have done before, so it wouldn't be unheard of.... rather than dump all that research and development money in the trash and then have to explain to stockholders and board of directors why the executives who signed off on such a waste should keep their jobs.
No.
What part of "Application-specific integrated circuit" don't you understand?!
I'm not saying the same exact ASIC was used. I probably should not have used the term "re-purposed" when "re-engineered" would be more accurate. I'm saying they originally had a crypto ASIC on the card and re-engineered the ASIC sometime between March and now after the crypto market collapsed to compute rays rather than crypto.
This would also explain why 100% of the leaks/rumors from tech sites prior to the announcement in August were all about crypto and there were literally zero rumors/leaks about anything regarding raytracing. It came completely out of left field at the last minute.
Nvidia would never half-ass a product and give us something that performs like cards did 10 years ago at 1080P with their new "feature" that wasn't at all tacked on at the last minute, right? No way. That's laughable.
Of course, Montu, you were just posting the other day that you don't care what Nvidia does, nor how much they charge you, as long as you get any kind of performance increase.
Too bad most of you guys didn't actually watch the entire presentation that Jensen Huang gave. He was literally on stage trolling/mocking the sheep while he held the card above his head and shined light from it in their eyes for ten minutes saying "look... the light is behaving exactly as it should.... exactly as it should....".
It's sick that people don't question the shady practices of companies like Nvidia who no longer have competition and can now exploit people with last minute gimmicks when their crypto cash grab plans fall through......
We had real-time ray-tracing 10 years ago? Please stop.Nvidia would never half-ass a product and give us something that performs like cards did 10 years ago at 1080P with their new "feature" that wasn't at all tacked on at the last minute, right?
Actually, the 2080"s msrp is 699. EDIT at least the MSRP is, but Founder's is indeed 799.1080 FE MSRP was $699. Now the 2080 is $799
I'm not saying the same exact ASIC was used. I probably should not have used the term "re-purposed" when "re-engineered" would be more accurate. I'm saying they originally had a crypto ASIC on the card and re-engineered the ASIC sometime between March and now after the crypto market collapsed to compute rays rather than crypto.
This would also explain why 100% of the leaks/rumors from tech sites prior to the announcement in August were all about crypto and there were literally zero rumors/leaks about anything regarding raytracing. It came completely out of left field at the last minute.
Actually, the 2080"s msrp is 699. EDIT at least the MSRP is, but Founder's is indeed 799.
And lol at this thread.Actually, the 2080"s msrp is 699. EDIT at least the MSRP is, but Founder's is indeed 799.
If people were tracking their time on the forum as billable hours, I bet they've already spent more than $1,200 of time bitching and moaning.
Rumors are usually based on nothing or based on an idea per some patent filed by the company. Someone probably saw Nvidia file a patent for ASIC and went “Loelz they are mining!” That would explain why we only heard rumors of mining. Also Nvidia has nothing to gain by gimping part of their performance GPU for something OTHER than what it was intended for, they don’t have a hard time selling product.I'm not saying the same exact ASIC was used. I probably should not have used the term "re-purposed" when "re-engineered" would be more accurate. I'm saying they originally had a crypto ASIC on the card and re-engineered the ASIC sometime between March and now after the crypto market collapsed to compute rays rather than crypto.
This would also explain why 100% of the leaks/rumors from tech sites prior to the announcement in August were all about crypto and there were literally zero rumors/leaks about anything regarding raytracing. It came completely out of left field at the last minute.