Is it possible the RTX series is the scrapped mining cards re-purposed?

No, crypto cards were Just io stripped, but I do like your conspiracy theory. Let's see how the 2080 does in compute. Must suck to be a gpu only company pushing Ray tracing that can be much more easily be done on a cpu. Future is bright for an APU card with Ray tracing. Can't wait for that instead of some half baked RTX crap at insane prices.

Edit spelling
 
Last edited:
Inappropriate Behavior
The RT cores in the RX series are (ASIC) Application-specific integrated circuit .
Put down the cool-aid and stop posting crap.

Thank you.
 
It is an interesting point to make.
But consider they were due to release the new cards anyway which must already be in production.
I imagine the mining ASICs can be re-purposed to other data processing projects.
 
No way any hardware company like nVidia would make specific hardware (as in the chip) for mining. It’s too fluid.
 
Last edited:
If the RT cores easily can, it could reignite crypto and pump more money into it again.
 
Master_shake_ said:
seems like a pretty heavy investment though doesn't it?

the ROI better be weeks.
Click to expand...

Right now it does but they will drop in price a bit in next month or so after release.
ROI won't be weeks again any time soon though, more like months. 775mm² vs 471mm² is a bit of a jump especially if the gate density has improved like TSMC said, of course we have not seen the uncut product yet. Just have no idea of what the split in die area is for RT and typical GPU die functions.
 
This begs the question, was part of NVidias reasoning on the high price to reduce sales/value to miners?
 
Nenu said:
This begs the question, was part of NVidias reasoning on the high price to reduce sales/value to miners?
Click to expand...

1080 FE MSRP was $699. Now the 2080 is $799. I imagine the chip is much larger but I haven’t see a number yet.

The 2080ti would normally be launched as a Titan at this point and you can get it for cheaper/better cooling right now. Personally, I’d rather it this way. The die size is 50% larger than the Titan X.

Anywho my point is the prices didn’t move much and like others said I highly doubt anyone is buying cards. The return on a 1080ti is about two years if you have free electricity. If you pay normal prices it’s 4-5 years....
 
Dayaks said:
Personally, I’d rather it this way.
Click to expand...

Are you insane? Who in their right mind wants to pay extra money just so miners don't buy cards? What difference does it make if miners buy cards or not? For the average guy who only needs 1 video card, who cares if Dude #2 buys 15 for his mining rig as long he's not paying $800 for the 1 he wants.
 
kirbyrj said:
Are you insane? Who in their right mind wants to pay extra money just so miners don't buy cards? What difference does it make if miners buy cards or not? For the average guy who only needs 1 video card, who cares if Dude #2 buys 15 for his mining rig as long he's not paying $800 for the 1 he wants.
Click to expand...

I didn’t say that at all. The first half of my statement was the prices didn’t change at much or at all.

The second half is that mining is dead right now. It’s not a market.

That part you quoted was that I’d rather a “2080ti” now at slightly below Titan prices than what we normally get, a Titan at the same price / worse performance / worse cooling (you have to custom water loop cool...) and worse power limits.

My personal opinion is this has nothing to do with mining.
 
Dayaks said:
1080 FE MSRP was $699. Now the 2080 is $799. I imagine the chip is much larger but I haven’t see a number yet.

The 2080ti would normally be launched as a Titan at this point and you can get it for cheaper/better cooling right now. Personally, I’d rather it this way. The die size is 50% larger than the Titan X.

Anywho my point is the prices didn’t move much and like others said I highly doubt anyone is buying cards. The return on a 1080ti is about two years if you have free electricity. If you pay normal prices it’s 4-5 years....
Click to expand...
The profits per card have dropped substantially so a small price increase reduces desirability a lot more.
Its just a thought.
My initial comment on their pricing was wtf?
They have lost many fans over their domineering and now pricing, I despair.
 
Nenu said:
The profits per card have dropped substantially so a small price increase reduces desirability a lot more.
Its just a thought.
My initial comment on their pricing was wtf?
They have lost many fans over their domineering and now pricing, I despair.
Click to expand...

I think their margins must be way lower on these cards. Just from the BOM.

To me it depends if the 2080ti price drops to ~700-800 in 6-9 months when the ti usually launches after the Titan at reduced cost.

They should have just called the 2080ti a Titan. Everyone would have ate up the price staying the same.
 
Dayaks said:
I think their margins must be way lower on these cards. Just from the BOM.

To me it depends if the 2080ti price drops to ~700-800 in 6-9 months when the ti usually launches after the Titan at reduced cost.

They should have just called the 2080ti a Titan. Everyone would have ate up the price staying the same.
Click to expand...

You can't just call the 2080 a 2080Ti and the 2080Ti a Titan to fit what you're saying because the performance isn't there. It doesn't look like the 2080 is going to be significantly faster than the 1080Ti (maybe 10%). If the 20XX pricing came in at $450, $600, $800, far fewer people would be complaining. But at $600, 800, 1200? Nvidia deserves the backlash they are getting.
 
kirbyrj said:
You can't just call the 2080 a 2080Ti and the 2080Ti a Titan to fit what you're saying because the performance isn't there. It doesn't look like the 2080 is going to be significantly faster than the 1080Ti (maybe 10%). If the 20XX pricing came in at $450, $600, $800, far fewer people would be complaining. But at $600, 800, 1200? Nvidia deserves the backlash they are getting.
Click to expand...

What you are saying is only if true you completely ignore the 1/3 of the die dedicated to RTX features. If ~50% more performance from DLSS (AFAIK) and ray tracing mean nothing to you, then what you wrote is completely fair.

I play a lot of World of Warships which will likely never support these features so it makes it a hard call for me.
 
This has me thinking, how different is this to a Myriad™ X VPU? The thing costs about $100. nVidia's thing is about $100 more.

The real real question is how well will these things judge boobs?
 
Last edited:
I’ll be quite honest, this thread is too far off the tin foily hat for me.

What we know is in general the information seen has the 2xxx series is 30-60% faster than their counterparts (2080 vs 1080, ect.) DLSS adds another 50% where applicable. BFV runs Ray Tracing right now at 1440p 40-50 Hz and DICE thinks they can get at least another 30% out of it (52-65Hz at 1440p). They are also working on 4k with just Ray Tracing running at a lower res so you can get fps much higher than 60.

I do not believe they would ever gimp a chip for cypto. I could see them developing a coin or miner that would take better advantage of nVidia cards. Kinda like how nicehash has a nVidia only miner that dual mines... that’s my opinion.


Annnndd this is my last post in this thread. Have fun!
 
Last edited:
kirbyrj said:
If the 20XX pricing came in at $450, $600, $800, far fewer people would be complaining. But at $600, 800, 1200? Nvidia deserves the backlash they are getting.
Click to expand...
If people were tracking their time on the forum as billable hours, I bet they've already spent more than $1,200 of time bitching and moaning.
 
ds9voy said:
Does this not further prove my point? The entire point of an ASIC circuit is to perform *highly specialized* sets of calculations/work/tasks... (whatever engineering/physics term you like).

Crypto is a highly specialized task requiring highly specialized calculations in order to do quickly... EXACTLY what you would want an ASIC to do.... Likewise, raytracing is a *highly specialized* set of calculations well suited for an ASIC....

Take this news article for instance from March 2018 that says specialized crypto cards would be coming from Nvidia "soon"... capable of "47MH/s" and "879H/s" calculations.

Notice the specialized "mega hashes a second" marketing? Where have we seen that recently.... oh, right, "gigarays a second".... it's almost as if they took "mega hashes a second" and repurposed it to a new marketing term "gigarays a second".

https://www.techradar.com/news/nvid...hics-cards-designed-for-cryptocurrency-miners

TONS of tech sites were pushing out these news stories early this year.... this means in all likelihood, there WERE specialized crypto cards designed by Nvidia that were ready to hit the market sometime this year.

Here is another article from March saying that these specialized crypto cards would be "derived from Volta" according to some rumors.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidi...tomining-cards-leaked-by-Inno3D.289076.0.html

Interestingly, these RTX cards are also derived from Volta and have a specialized co-processor (the raytracing ASIC).... the crypto cards would have been derived from Volta and had a specialized co-processor (the crypto ASIC).... Just a hell of a coincidence.....

Obviously, all of the news from earlier this year was based on "rumors" and "leaks", so who knows what was right and wrong.... but there were literally dozens of these articles from dozens of news sites ranging from stock market news to tech news. This all didn't come out of a product that didn't exist.

And don't think Nvidia would be foolish enough to invest so much money/time into crypto processing? Here is Jensen Huang saying himself that he intended to make crypto the "CORE BUSINESS" of Nvidia just this past March!

https://bitcoinist.com/nvidia-ceo-b...-and-will-be-a-core-business-for-the-company/

So, if this dude, (the CEO), was planning on crypto being the new "core business" of the company just earlier this year, this all kind of comes together, doesn't it? The article quotes him as saying "Huang noted that the blockchain technology was going to stay for a while. He noted that the technology was going to be crucial in the years to come."

This dude was basically planning on ditching gaming for the crypto money grab (which he expected to last "for years to come"), then had the crypto market suddenly collapse, and had to double back to trying to get a new gaming product on the market.

All I'm saying is that companies don't like to invest millions of R&D dollars on a product only to have to scrap it. Re-purposing such a product is actually something that many companies have done before, so it wouldn't be unheard of.... rather than dump all that research and development money in the trash and then have to explain to stockholders and board of directors why the executives who signed off on such a waste should keep their jobs.
Click to expand...

No.
What part of "Application-specific integrated circuit" don't you understand?!
 
ds9voy said:
I'm not saying the same exact ASIC was used. I probably should not have used the term "re-purposed" when "re-engineered" would be more accurate. I'm saying they originally had a crypto ASIC on the card and re-engineered the ASIC sometime between March and now after the crypto market collapsed to compute rays rather than crypto.

This would also explain why 100% of the leaks/rumors from tech sites prior to the announcement in August were all about crypto and there were literally zero rumors/leaks about anything regarding raytracing. It came completely out of left field at the last minute.
Click to expand...

LOL
 
ds9voy said:
Nvidia would never half-ass a product and give us something that performs like cards did 10 years ago at 1080P with their new "feature" that wasn't at all tacked on at the last minute, right? No way. That's laughable.

Of course, Montu, you were just posting the other day that you don't care what Nvidia does, nor how much they charge you, as long as you get any kind of performance increase.

Too bad most of you guys didn't actually watch the entire presentation that Jensen Huang gave. He was literally on stage trolling/mocking the sheep while he held the card above his head and shined light from it in their eyes for ten minutes saying "look... the light is behaving exactly as it should.... exactly as it should....".

It's sick that people don't question the shady practices of companies like Nvidia who no longer have competition and can now exploit people with last minute gimmicks when their crypto cash grab plans fall through......
Click to expand...

LOL
 
ds9voy said:
Nvidia would never half-ass a product and give us something that performs like cards did 10 years ago at 1080P with their new "feature" that wasn't at all tacked on at the last minute, right?
Click to expand...
We had real-time ray-tracing 10 years ago? Please stop.
 
Wouldn't put anything past Nvidia, but, to have a "full fat (well kind of at least for NV as of late) design" be targeted directly for miner and realizing this probably would not be a good idea any more, in "theory" this concept has a glimmer of possibility.

but, also seeing what Nv has (or has not done) over the past couple of years, they likely would strip everything out they possibly can (more than they had done over the past couple of generations) they would have AND jacked up the price while also "tweaking" to get even more mining performance at a loss of any possible gaming ability.

either way, very far fetched, Nv are jack asses IMO, but, are also not completely stupid as these "coins" are very finicky and hard to know the coin that is popular today will be popular tommorow, and GPU vs custom ASIC might be more "available" for any number of coin types they also suffer huge performance loss in comparison because they need the ability to "crunch" basically anything you throw at them.

ASIC however (which GPU technically are, though not nearly as dedicated) gain massive performance benefit also tend to lose in regards to often enough only being able to "crunch" a limited amount of coin/calculation types..for example, Bitcoin or Litecoin (SHA256, Scrypt and so forth)

in "theory" GPU maker (likely AMD because they tended to have a very clear advantage over Nvidia in this regard for many years...by nature of the way their Uarch is made) could absolutely make a GPU designed for mining and mining alone, BUT, the return on the purchase price vs just putting all that design time into what they already do (standard or high performance GPU) likely probably would not at all be worth it for THEM.

anyways, interesting to think about, the concept kind of makes sense, they designed a Uarch for mining purpose and realized it would no longer be worth it for this anymore as they seen the value of the coins tank HUGE over the last while, so they decide at the last minute to "respin them" towards more focused gaming product...IMO, nah, but, Nv always does things to screw around for a multitude of reasons, so this would "reek" of a "jack prices a bit to get us out of a multi-million dollar colossal fk up"

HA HA ^.^
 
ds9voy said:
I'm not saying the same exact ASIC was used. I probably should not have used the term "re-purposed" when "re-engineered" would be more accurate. I'm saying they originally had a crypto ASIC on the card and re-engineered the ASIC sometime between March and now after the crypto market collapsed to compute rays rather than crypto.

This would also explain why 100% of the leaks/rumors from tech sites prior to the announcement in August were all about crypto and there were literally zero rumors/leaks about anything regarding raytracing. It came completely out of left field at the last minute.
Click to expand...

And the oddity that was the Titan-V...
 
ray tracing has always been insanely cpu intensive, nothing surprising that the first gen does not do it very well. although I'd agree that the pricing structure was built to exploit people wanting to use these for data mining. I am hoping that by the time cyberpunk rolls around there will be an affordable and faster second generation.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Actually, the 2080"s msrp is 699. EDIT at least the MSRP is, but Founder's is indeed 799.
Click to expand...

we all know that's just a made up price that doesn't really represent what the cards are officially selling for.

just another one of nvidias little tricks.
 
ds9voy said:
I'm not saying the same exact ASIC was used. I probably should not have used the term "re-purposed" when "re-engineered" would be more accurate. I'm saying they originally had a crypto ASIC on the card and re-engineered the ASIC sometime between March and now after the crypto market collapsed to compute rays rather than crypto.

This would also explain why 100% of the leaks/rumors from tech sites prior to the announcement in August were all about crypto and there were literally zero rumors/leaks about anything regarding raytracing. It came completely out of left field at the last minute.
Click to expand...
Rumors are usually based on nothing or based on an idea per some patent filed by the company. Someone probably saw Nvidia file a patent for ASIC and went “Loelz they are mining!” That would explain why we only heard rumors of mining. Also Nvidia has nothing to gain by gimping part of their performance GPU for something OTHER than what it was intended for, they don’t have a hard time selling product.

Now look at the flip side, these things are also going into professional graphic producing products, do you think they’d come out with a more expensive product and expect them to be cool with the mining part? Or do you think they’d come out with a dedicated RT engine that was literally being begged for?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top