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Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet

M76 said:
Whataboutism? OK, What about them? They were both worse games than the originals, not received well by the general public.
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I've only played Horizon Forbidden West and Zero Dawn. Zero Dawn was better. Not just the story/writing, but even the gameplay was more fine tuned. I would have a hard time thinking someone could play both and think Forbidden West was the superior game. Spider Man 2, from what I have heard, is generally considered to be inferior to the first game. This is all by gamers. I think lowered sales lines up with this, regardless of what major reviewers want.

M76 said:
Straight men (who are still the majority of core gamers, despite bogus statistics trying to suggest otherwise)
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... but, but, phone and browser games are the same as AAA shooters, action adventure and RPG games. And there is no demographic difference between the Sims and Gears of War. None at all! <--- some overpaid gaming industry analyst.

lors said:
You made the statement that fresh IPs usually do worse in sales compared to the sequels. Yet one of the two biggest franchises show exactly the opposite of what you are saying.
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Emphasis placed on usually. That is true for the majority of games, even sequels that are inferior often sell better due to IP/recognition. Of course this is not always the rule. TLOU was overrated, and I can see that affecting sales for the sequel. Spider-Man was an amazing seller, probably captalizing on the Marvel craze. Marvel movies are a shell of their former selves, so I think that extra hype is no longer there to carry sales.
 
They should just let us create our protagonist like Cyberpunk or Mass Effect. Problem solved.

The game looks kinda interesting but I don’t like being force fed stuff so I will wait and see how this plays out.
 
I feel like this could have some serious potential. Hopefully the sales of the recent dei injected games dissuade them from following suite.
 
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NotJay said:
alien 3 anyone?
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The movie that most alien fans hated? Yeah, I remember. Also Ripley had two movies before that to win over the audience, and it kind of makes sense to not have big hair in a germ infested prison colony.This one shaves her head in the comfort of her own luxury liner during the first scene for no reason beyond "owning the chuds". And you immediately think she has earned the same respect as Ellen Ripley? LOL
lors said:
Ah I see, a conspiracy theory victim. Is the user score also bought?
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It's not a conspiracy it is a mutually beneficial relationship for those willing to betray the customer / reader.
The theory of evolution is not called a theory because it is not true either.
lors said:
You made the statement that fresh IPs usually do worse in sales compared to the sequels.
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False, don't lie through omission. I said they do better on sequels if the quality is there. That's a very important quantifier, that you deliberately ignored. The only thing you are proving is that you can't argue in good faith.
lors said:
The general consense is that Spiderman 2 is the (slightly) better game than part 1. Metacritic reviews and user scores show this. Horizon Forbidden West lost some points due to the story, but overall it's still pretty much on par part 1. Again, Metacritic reviews and user scores also show this.
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IDK if you are being bad faith again or just naive, but review aggregator sites are not reliable. They have been known to manipulate scores and suppress overly negative reviews for controversial titles while doing nothing about positive review bombing campaigns.
So sorry, but I'm not going to take metacritiic score of proof of anything.
lors said:
You can't just make claims without even trying to back them up.
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I laid out the sales pattern to you multiple times, I can't help you make sense of it.
lors said:
No it should not necessarily tripled it's sales at that time. Do you realize that there are so many other factors which influence sales?
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And that is while I Said it would have sold 50% more and not 300% more due to other factors that are unaccounted for. Saying that the huge backlash against the story had no effect on sales is not just delusional it is willfully ignorant.
lors said:
I think you forgot that this whole sales discussion was started by tygeezy who claimed it did not sold as much, because of the "woke agenda". Which is nonsense. This was the whole point I was trying do debunk.
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Most people who hate the game view the story as part of the woke agenda, there is no distinction. And I never used the word woke in this conversation, I described it as the story issues, so you can't claim you were arguing against it being woke.
BassTek said:
They should just let us create our protagonist like Cyberpunk or Mass Effect. Problem solved.
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In a Neil Druckmann game? That one despises player choice, he is a control freak, you are not allowed to just make a character you like.
BassTek said:
The game looks kinda interesting but I don’t like being force fed stuff so I will wait and see how this plays out.
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We have seen nothing of the game, well except for the 1 second gif he posted on twitter, which makes me think derivative.
 
M76 said:
In a Neil Druckmann game? That one despises player choice, he is a control freak, you are not allowed to just make a character you like.
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That isn't a bad thing, if the character doesn't suck, the story is good, and the gameplay is good. Time will tell if this is good in any of these aspects. I can say that many people might not find the protagonist all that appealing. Ignoring appearance, the voice and attitude of the character from the render annoyed me. I know we haven't seen much but that preview made me indifferent to the protagonist at best. To be honest I found them annoying. Much like the protagonist of Atomic Heart (although that was explained a bit later in the story and they changed a bit by the end). I am getting a P-3 feel for this character..

Article about P-3, so I am not alone.
 
M76 said:
And that is while I Said it would have sold 50% more and not 300% more due to other factors that are unaccounted for. Saying that the huge backlash against the story had no effect on sales is not just delusional it is willfully ignorant.
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I literally said: "I guess a big negative impact (on sales) was the story decision which fucked up many fans". Again, tzgeezy claimed that the agenda (aka wokeness) is responsible for the worse sales. I guess I misconfused your replies then by thinking your arguments focused on worse sales mainly due the "woke agenda".

M76 said:
Most people who hate the game view the story as part of the woke agenda, there is no distinction. And I never used the word woke in this conversation, I described it as the story issues, so you can't claim you were arguing against it being woke.
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Why is there no distinction? If I go through forums, most people seem to hate the story itself because of writing and that
their beloved character was killed in the beginning of the game
not necessarily because there are some gay characters in it. I don't think the shitstorm about the story would have been any less if they had been used a straight male character instead of Abby for example.
 
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M76 said:
Those two things are inseparable. The character sucks because I don't like it. If I liked it I wouldn't think it sucks.
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Yes this will be tougher to sell than if they went with a more appealing protagonist. It isn't a complete turn off for me as I've yet to see gameplay, but the unlikable protagonist dampens my enthusiasm and I doubt I am alone.

My problem with the two Naughty Dog games I played, which admittedly is not a lot, is the gameplay can be a bit basic. But the presentation was excellent. Drake and Joel were generally likeable characters. Even Ellie, a kid, came off a less annoying than this character. Maybe the character gets better in game but the teaser certainly isn't selling it.
 
lors said:
Why is there no distinction? If I go through forums, most people seem to hate the story itself because of writing and that
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Because the people most vehemently against it think the objectionable story choices were directly guided by woke ideology. I didn't think there was evidence of that, I didn't even think the game was woke.
lors said:
not necessarily because there are some gay characters in it. I don't think the shitstorm about the story would have been any less if they had been used a straight male character instead of Abby for example.
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I think there would certainly have been less memes born out of it. The issue is not that it happens but the how. It could've been done in a way that is earned, but Neil completely butchered the story because he thought he is such a genius that he can play the audience like a fiddle. But it backfired badly. Intergalactic might be his revenge on gamers, but the only people who will be punished are rank and file Naughty Dogs employees who will get laid off when this underperforms in sales.
 
lors said:
Why is there no distinction? If I go through forums, most people seem to hate the story itself because of writing and that
their beloved character was killed in the beginning of the game
not necessarily because there are some gay characters in it. I don't think the shitstorm about the story would have been any less if they had been used a straight male character instead of Abby for example.
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I'm sure there would have been a similar shit storm if they used a straight male character instead of Abby, but it was blatantly obvious that they only made the story decision they made so that they could shoehorn "some gay characters in it".
 
M76 said:
In a Neil Druckmann game? That one despises player choice, he is a control freak, you are not allowed to just make a character you like.
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Cuckman is also a disciple of the Sarkesian school of grift, everything is sexist or misogynistic hence why there needs to be lots of androgynous girl boss characters.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DHynFVW7-KY
 
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Hey, I'm sure the Modern Audience™ will love it!

The Modern Audience™ exists, I swear. They're somewhere out there and are just waiting to spend all of their money, you just need to have more androgynous, ambiguously minority raced and classically unattractive characters! You'll see. They didn't spend money on other games every other time, but THIS TIME it will be different!
 
M76 said:
Bioware made Dragon Age Origins and Mass effect trilogy under EA, all of which were huge successes. Machine Games was everyone's darling after Wolfenstein New Order. And Indiana Jones is one of the biggest IPs in entertainment. If that doesn't give you built in sales that means there is no longer a built in audience, because they alienated them. And remember naughty dog is coming off of TLOU2, regardless of my personal feelings on the game, it alienated a ton of people. They should've brought out a peace offering to the audience, instead this is a clear declaration of war.
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Both Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect were in development long before BioWare was acquired by EA at the end of 2007. The former started production in 2002 and the latter in 2004. Mass Effect released just a month after the acquisition was finalized.
Flogger23m said:
Character aside, the game looks mildly interesting. I assume it will be like Naughty Dog's other games I've played, very linear with not a whole lot of gameplay options. That isn't necessarily bad, but 3rd person shooters are always lame and flat which doesn't help games like TLOUS or Uncharted, despite those games being quite decent. I was also thinking this looked like Guardians of the Galaxy, including the sound track.

It seems like a lower tier sci fi game, which IMO is a bit overdone. I still prefer that to fantasy but this looks like the more bland, generic Star Wars style future fantasy (though not as heavy on the fantasy elements) style of "science fiction" than a true sci fi. I don't mind this but it is very played out. The idea of a lone person flying around their own little Millennium Falcon as a bounty hunter or whatever just won't happen. Space flight will be as restricted as air flight, if not more. So again I don't hate this, but it is very, very overplayed. It is like people always copy the same basic template when they design any game/movie that has space flight. As such I cannot say this has a unique theme or setting.

Add in Naughty Dog's simplistic combat, and I think this will just be an okay game at best. If they make a good FPS game I might change my tune, but if it is 3rd person, it will play like every other 3rd person shooter out there, which has peaked fidelity wise since around 2000. And why they are inferior to FPS games, which have made consistent strides over the years and still have much room to grow.
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We haven't seen anything of the game yet aside from a pre-rendered "in-engine" cutscene.
NotJay said:
alien 3 anyone?
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The second most hated entry in the franchise? What about it? Ripley shaved her head due to a lice problem in the prison colony she crashed on. The protagonist in this game is doing it because she wants to. I don't have an issue with women choosing to go bald, but lets not try to come up with some false equivalency to try and guilt trip people into questioning their dislike of what was shown of this game.
BassTek said:
They should just let us create our protagonist like Cyberpunk or Mass Effect. Problem solved.

The game looks kinda interesting but I don’t like being force fed stuff so I will wait and see how this plays out.
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Problem not solved because the writing and voice acting is the same regardless of what you make your character look like.
 
Armenius said:
Problem not solved because the writing and voice acting is the same regardless of what you make your character look like.
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It’s a little presumptuous to say what the writing is like at this point and any game with create a protagonist has multiple voice actors so that comment wouldn’t be valid either.
 
They should just ship the game with a toggle that gives the main character the ps1 crash bandicoot model then everyone can be happy
 
socK said:
They should just ship the game with a toggle that gives the main character the ps1 crash bandicoot model then everyone can be happy
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The problem isn't necessarily her appearance. If a character is compelling and the story is good, it's fine. But the initial reaction when seeing the character is, "wow, she is not attractive, I wonder if there's something behind this?" And then you look up the VA and find that she's an insane, woke idiot. Much like what happened with the VA in Ghost of Yōtei, you wonder if they opted for a woman character simply for the sake of being creative and different, which is fine, but then you find out she hates white people. The same garbage happened with Assassins Creed Shadows, and Concord, and Dustborn, etc. There's a pattern of hiring these morons in games lately. They're not hiring them because they were the best for the job. They're hiring them because of an ideology, an ideology that hates the majority of gamers and wants to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats. It's getting insanely old. Studios are closing or losing money hand over fist. At some point, you'd think they'd figure out what the problem is, but instead of doing that, they blame gamers ... the same gamers they keep shitting on every time their garbage projects don't sell. Maybe instead of fighting the majority of your customer base every chance you get, you start listening to them and actually make a product they want. Business is not complicated. Profit should be a priority.
 
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Apparently the plot of the game has been leaked by a disgruntled employee. Obviously if you have any faith that this game is going to be good and don't want to spoil it don't click.
Also this is unconfirmed at this point, might be a complete fabrication, but it also has Druckmann written all over it, IDK whether to believe it or not. If true this game is even bigger trash to me than the trailer suggested.
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saw that yesterday, plot sounds like garbage to me, if true, but it does sound like a druckman move...
 
M76 said:
Apparently the plot of the game has been leaked by a disgruntled employee. Obviously if you have any faith that this game is going to be good and don't want to spoil it don't click.
Also this is unconfirmed at this point, might be a complete fabrication, but it also has Druckmann written all over it, IDK whether to believe it or not. If true this game is even bigger trash to me than the trailer suggested.
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Sounds AI-generated. Write me a story synopsis for a game set in space with a sci-fi bent taking place on a planet called Sempira that could have been written by Neil Druckmann from developer Naughty Dog. Here are the names of the characters and the actors who portray them.
 
M76 said:
Apparently the plot of the game has been leaked by a disgruntled employee. Obviously if you have any faith that this game is going to be good and don't want to spoil it don't click.
Also this is unconfirmed at this point, might be a complete fabrication, but it also has Druckmann written all over it, IDK whether to believe it or not. If true this game is even bigger trash to me than the trailer suggested.
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Jason Schreier has expressly refuted this leak on Twitter, but that may well be damage control given he is such a beta cuck himself.
 
Armenius said:
Sounds AI-generated. Write me a story synopsis for a game set in space with a sci-fi bent taking place on a planet called Sempira that could have been written by Neil Druckmann from developer Naughty Dog. Here are the names of the characters and the actors who portray them.
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maybe thats all druckman is doing...

Blade-Runner said:
Jason Schreier has expressly refuted this leak on Twitter, but that may well be damage control given he is such a beta cuck himself.
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guess time will tell...
 
I assume this would not be a simultaneous PS5 + PC release. PC will likely lag at least couple of years behind? If so, not sure why this title is getting so much attention in PC section of forum. There are so many PC centric games I am more excited about than this PS5 turd.
 
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I assume this would not be a simultaneous PS5 + PC release. PC will likely lag at least couple of years behind? If so, not sure why this title is getting so much attention in PC section of forum.
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correct, but this is where the convo ended up. it should be merged with the one in the console section.
 
Armenius said:
Sounds AI-generated. Write me a story synopsis for a game set in space with a sci-fi bent taking place on a planet called Sempira that could have been written by Neil Druckmann from developer Naughty Dog. Here are the names of the characters and the actors who portray them.
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I've had AI generate story ideas, and they're infinitely better than this slop.


Blade-Runner said:
Cuckman is also a disciple of the Sarkesian school of grift, everything is sexist or misogynistic hence why there needs to be lots of androgynous girl boss characters.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DHynFVW7-KY
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Since statistically, even female gamers want to play attractive female characters, he's a completely out of touch moron.
 
Armenius said:
Sounds AI-generated. Write me a story synopsis for a game set in space with a sci-fi bent taking place on a planet called Sempira that could have been written by Neil Druckmann from developer Naughty Dog. Here are the names of the characters and the actors who portray them.
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Would AI put typos in it? It can be someone faking it because it is too on the nose, but I can also believe Druckmann being sanctimonious enough to double down on TLOU2's most controversial scene in such an obvious way.

Blade-Runner said:
Jason Schreier has expressly refuted this leak on Twitter, but that may well be damage control given he is such a beta cuck himself.
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I wouldn't take at face value anything Schreier says. Hell at this point I'd not believe anything unless it comes from the horse's mouth. As in being an official statement by Sony or ND.
 
M76 said:
Even female gamers who say that sexualilzed female characters are problematic will choose the pretty character to play as. And I'm not even joking there is at least one study that has shown this.
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News Flash! People play games to escape and explore their fantasy!

People enjoy playing as characters they find appealing or represent their ideal. IOW: People enjoy beautiful characters!
 
Here's the lead voice actress' response to the backlash on her socials:

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This about sums up everyone's concerns with the actress. She's even dumber than I had previously thought. The list of games I'll never purchase continues to grow. It's so "DEI" licious. These idiots need to stop being hired. People that hate gamers should really stop making games. This is getting quite old.
 
M76 said:
But why are high profile AAA games keep failing? It's a mystery!
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  1. Announce big game that nobody wants
  2. Defend it when people say they don't want it. Gather other people (who won't buy it) to defend it as well.
  3. Tell the majority of their consumer base that the game wasn't meant for them anyway.
  4. Release the game to middling sales, at best.
  5. Say that the game failed because of racism/sexism/targeted hate campaign.

Credit to Reddit poster for the above AAA flop guide.
 
I don't know. Pandering towards a group that makes up 2% of the population. Where maybe .02 of that group actually even plays video games. Yet pissing off the rest of the he 98% of the population by shoving DEI crap down their throats.
 
This feels like ‘The Acolyte’ all over again. It ended well the first time lol.
 
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