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Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet

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I don't care about what the actress says. But we all know she was likely chosen for her role for a specific reason (ideology) and it wasn't necessarily her acting talent even if she can act just fine. Regardless her views reflect poorly on the game itself. I still have interest in the game because I can care less about this person's thoughts but of course, it dampens my interest further. And I think many will feel the same, and it will probably result in lower sales.

At least the BF5 developer was more up front and told people not to buy the game.
 
Flogger23m said:
I don't care about what the actress says
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I'd not care about her views in general, but this goes beyond that now: This was her direct response to criticism, so it is relevant to the game.

How they should've responded to criticism: "We are sorry you don't like it so far, but please give it a chance, it will make sense once the full narrative is revealed! We are really proud of what we are making and think it is an amazing story."
 
Flogger23m said:
I don't care about what the actress says. But we all know she was likely chosen for her role for a specific reason (ideology) and it wasn't necessarily her acting talent even if she can act just fine. Regardless her views reflect poorly on the game itself. I still have interest in the game because I can care less about this person's thoughts but of course, it dampens my interest further. And I think many will feel the same, and it will probably result in lower sales.

At least the BF5 developer was more up front and told people not to buy the game.
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Her toxic nonsense is a direct reflection of Naughty Dog. They knew exactly who they were hiring, and based on their stupidity sprinkled throughout TLOU2, the HBO show, and Neil Druckmann's borderline retarded comments in general, it's clear what direction the company is going in. If you're still interested in this slop after everything that's happened, is currently happening, and will continue to happen, then you're a part of the problem. Consumers can make a change, and we do that by speaking with our wallets, and lately ... it's been very effective. We're starting to make waves. Companies can't keep doing this garbage forever or they'll be out of business. Some already have gone out of business.

M76 said:
I'd not care about her views in general, but this goes beyond that now: This was her direct response to criticism, so it is relevant to the game.

How they should've responded to criticism: "We are sorry you don't like it so far, but please give it a chance, it will make sense once the full narrative is revealed! We are really proud of what we are making and think it is an amazing story."
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They will never respond that way. They will continue to double down on their idiocy and blame gamers for their horrible decisions and pandering.
 
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M76 said:
I'd not care about her views in general, but this goes beyond that now: This was her direct response to criticism, so it is relevant to the game.

How they should've responded to criticism: "We are sorry you don't like it so far, but please give it a chance, it will make sense once the full narrative is revealed! We are really proud of what we are making and think it is an amazing story."
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Of course. That is why I said it dampens my interest and will probably affect sales. The more I learn about this game, the less appeal it has, and so far we've just had a teaser. Not a great place to be if your teaser gets such a poor reception.
 
Well in her defense, people have been attacking her online for her appearance, it's only human to want to react, and she's young. Yeah the professional thing would be to either say nothing or be less antagonist but jeez cut her some slack. I might have done something similar if I were in her shoes and I bet some of you guys would of too.
 
peppergomez said:
Well in her defense, people have been attacking her online for her appearance, it's only human to want to react, and she's young. Yeah the professional thing would be to either say nothing or be less antagonist but jeez cut her some slack. I might have done something similar if I were in her shoes and I bet some of you guys would of too.
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No, no, no, no, no, that is not true. People were criticizing her character's in game appearance, I haven't seen a single person attacking her IRL looks. In fact I've seen quite a few on twitter say that she looks pretty IRL, blaming Druckmann and Naughty Dog for the the treatment they gave her.
 
M76 said:
No, no, no, no, no, that is not true. People were criticizing her character's in game appearance, I haven't seen a single person attacking her IRL looks. In fact I've seen quite a few on twitter say that she looks pretty IRL, blaming Druckmann and Naughty Dog for the the treatment they gave her.
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Exactly. They uglified her for no reason, much like Star Wars Outlaws. This seems to be a common practice these days.
 
Shoganai said:
Here's the lead voice actress' response to the backlash on her socials:

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This about sums up everyone's concerns with the actress. She's even dumber than I had previously thought. The list of games I'll never purchase continues to grow. It's so "DEI" licious. These idiots need to stop being hired. People that hate gamers should really stop making games. This is getting quite old.
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Despite the trailer, I still had hope that Naughty Dog would balance the story and make it approachable and reletable for rest of the population. This type of messaging is making me very pessimistic about the game. I will be super sad if Naughty Dog choses to self destruct 😞
 
M76 said:
No, no, no, no, no, that is not true. People were criticizing her character's in game appearance, I haven't seen a single person attacking her IRL looks. In fact I've seen quite a few on twitter say that she looks pretty IRL, blaming Druckmann and Naughty Dog for the the treatment they gave her.
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That to me seems like splitting hairs but understood
 
imsirovic5 said:
Despite the trailer, I still had hope that Naughty Dog would balance the story and make it approachable and reletable for rest of the population. This type of messaging is making me very pessimistic about the game. I will be super sad if Naughty Dog choses to self destruct 😞
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I think they are this brazen because TLOU2 still did relatively well on sales after a similar backlash. But there are many small but important differences here. The backlash for TLOU2 only started after the leak which was only a few weeks before release. By then most people had already put in their pre-orders. And the wave of negativity hadn't reached everyone before release, as it was more meta instead being directly part of their marketing strategy. Gamers are also more on their toes now, we realized that "subverting expectations" just means deliberately doing things they know the core audience won't like. But they are in for a rude awakening imo., unless they reverse course. I don't project a Concord / Dustborn level failure, but I doubt they can exceed Veilguard's sales performance with this attitude.
 
M76 said:
No, no, no, no, no, that is not true. People were criticizing her character's in game appearance, I haven't seen a single person attacking her IRL looks. In fact I've seen quite a few on twitter say that she looks pretty IRL, blaming Druckmann and Naughty Dog for the the treatment they gave her.
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Well, she is ugly. Not that it matters for the game, you can always use an actor and make their in game design not ugly.

Shoganai said:
Exactly. They uglified her for no reason, much like Star Wars Outlaws. This seems to be a common practice these days.
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They didn't really do anything to uglify her, she does that herself:

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Of course that is probably the reason she was chosen, along with her "values". Her lashing out at gamers isn't going to help much but it does align with her values and probably part of the reason she was chosen. We'll find out how well this works out for Naughty Dog eventually.

M76 said:
I don't project a Concord / Dustborn level failure, but I doubt they can exceed Veilguard's sales performance with this attitude.
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I think it will still do better than that. Naughty Dog still have a better reputation in recent years than Bioware, and sales numbers have been higher than Bioware games. Sony fans are also quite loyal though maybe that is lessening with PC ports. One only has to go to a forum with a lot of console gamers to see how the console/platform wars are still very much alive to Playstation gamers. They also tend to overrate all Playstation games. I haven't played a single bad Playstation game, but I have played some average games. Things like Ghost of Tsushima are essentially Ubisoft game clones but get praised, while the same people dump on Ubisoft games.

So I do think platform loyalty will help. That being said, I am doubting this will see the success of Uncharted or the original TLOU. Only so many times you can put out some underwhelming games before you loose your brand recognition.
 
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She's not a supermodel, but she's not ugly. She just frequently chooses to get ugly, stupid, and woke haircuts. They 100% made her significantly less attractive in this game. You don't need to gaslight anyone in here. We all have eyes.
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Hard to uglify someone who is already ugly. She looks like a literal clown. I prefer the Private Vasquez (from Aliens) look over how Tati looks in real life. Kind of sad when the video game character is ugly, but the actress/actor is even more ugly in reality. The art directors could have easily made an entirely different model though so Naughty Dog can't avoid criticism. Contrary to what developers tell you, game character models don't have to look exactly like the actor/actress, and Naughty Dog could have used this voice actress but given her a less ugly design. I've mentioned the downsides of basing video game characters off of actors physical looks long ago and people defended it because they liked see the same person across multiple movies (and now games) for some reason. That has always been a downside if live action movies. There are not enough talented actors in the business and most will want to work on more than one movie so inevitably we would see the same person prop up in an entirely different film breaking immersion.

This is another side affect; they will pick an actor who looks a certain way and they justify they want to faithfully recreate said actor in their game. Another is the actors have a larger presence and feel the need to make more commentary and make the game more about themselves.

We need to go back to using unique designs, and not basing game characters directly off of actors and voice actors. Push the actors/voice actors back into the shadows, where they belong. Let their voice work in game do the talking. Leave the character design to the character designers, and not the actors/SJWs in leadership positions.
 
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Hard to uglify someone who is already ugly. She looks like a literal clown.
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Well, they figured it out. What really makes her ugly is her personality. She's a vile human being. I personally don't think she looks ugly IRL, but her attitude does, and it's impossible to get past how insufferable she is. She has the exact same douchey vibe about her as Amandla Stenberg.

We need to go back to using unique designs, and not basing game characters directly off of actors and voice actors. Push the actors/voice actors back into the shadows, where they belong. Let their voice work in game do the talking. Leave the character design to the character designers, and not the actors/SJWs in leadership positions.
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I agree. It's actually very jarring seeing an actor in a video game. It kind of pulls me out of the fantasy aspect of the game. Having said that, even if they use a completely different looking character to the VA, these idiots will still make them ugly, because they don't want to offend the handful of women that don't even play their games.
 
Shoganai said:
I agree. It's actually very jarring seeing an actor in a video game. It kind of pulls me out of the fantasy aspect of the game. Having said that, even if they use a completely different looking character to the VA, these idiots will still make them ugly, because they don't want to offend the handful of women that don't even play their games.
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More or less. There is this actress who has appeared in a number of games recently. She is in Star Wars Fallen Order/Jedi Survivor. I found her perfectly fine in those games. But then she is in a bunch of other games I saw in trailers, same voice, same look. Was not used to that and was immersion breaking. In some they change her look a bit, but just hair style. Really don't like this trend.

Lets compare that to a Japanese developer's pick for voice actress:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ineo_JrabUM&t=232s

Much more genuine, seems like she actually enjoys gaming.
 
Flogger23m said:
Hard to uglify someone who is already ugly.
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Western game devs can always do worse.
Flogger23m said:
She looks like a literal clown.
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Yes, the way she dresses and the makeup she wears makes her look like a clown. That doesn't mean she is ugly though.
Flogger23m said:
I prefer the Private Vasquez (from Aliens) look over how Tati looks in real life.
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She wasn't ugly either. I don't want to show what's ugly for the sake of the thread, but your threshold for ugly is way out of proportion.
Flogger23m said:
Contrary to what developers tell you, game character models don't have to look exactly like the actor/actress, and Naughty Dog could have used this voice actress but given her a less ugly design.
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That's a funny one as female characters usually don't really look like their real life counterparts nowadays, and the wokosos will insists the technology is not good enough to make them look like they look IRL, ignoring all male characters who are dead on. In this particular case the body of the protagonist literally looks like a sack of potatoes. That's 100% deliberate, and not just a poor attempt at copying reality. I think the face is different also, but it is not so obvious.
Flogger23m said:
I've mentioned the downsides of basing video game characters off of actors physical looks long ago and people defended it because they liked see the same person across multiple movies (and now games) for some reason. That has always been a downside if live action movies. There are not enough talented actors in the business and most will want to work on more than one movie so inevitably we would see the same person prop up in an entirely different film breaking immersion. This is another side affect; they will pick an actor who looks a certain way and they justify they want to faithfully recreate said actor in their game. Another is the actors have a larger presence and feel the need to make more commentary and make the game more about themselves.
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I agree, making video game characters appear like actors / actresses is throwing out creative freedom. It's completely unnecessary. Except, well for the reason mentioned here. They can deflect any criticism of character design by saying "It is based on a real person, chud" Like that's an excuse. I mean why won't they have Daniel Radcliffe play Conan the Barbarian in live action then?
Flogger23m said:
We need to go back to using unique designs, and not basing game characters directly off of actors and voice actors. Push the actors/voice actors back into the shadows, where they belong. Let their voice work in game do the talking. Leave the character design to the character designers, and not the actors/SJWs in leadership positions.
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It can also be immersion breaking to me when a very prominent voice actor voices different characters in different franchises. It is somehow more jarring than just having the likeness of an actor. I think the future of VA is AI as it will allow to create completely unique voices that are one offs only used for one particular role and nowhere else. No matter how much the VA unions screech this will happen. Obviously we already had that with models until they started copying actors for no good reason.
 
M76 said:
That's a funny one as female characters usually don't really look like their real life counterparts nowadays, and the wokosos will insists the technology is not good enough to make them look like they look IRL, ignoring all male characters who are dead on. In this particular case the body of the protagonist literally looks like a sack of potatoes. That's 100% deliberate, and not just a poor attempt at copying reality. I think the face is different also, but it is not so obvious.
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Which is my point. They don't have to look exactly like the actors. They can change the look entirely, like it has historically been done.

M76 said:
I agree, making video game characters appear like actors / actresses is throwing out creative freedom. It's completely unnecessary. Except, well for the reason mentioned here. They can deflect any criticism of character design by saying "It is based on a real person, chud" Like that's an excuse. I mean why won't they have Daniel Radcliffe play Conan the Barbarian in live action then?
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The only time I would like for them to look like the actors is if it is a game based on a movie.

M76 said:
It can also be immersion breaking to me when a very prominent voice actor voices different characters in different franchises. It is somehow more jarring than just having the likeness of an actor. I think the future of VA is AI as it will allow to create completely unique voices that are one offs only used for one particular role and nowhere else. No matter how much the VA unions screech this will happen. Obviously we already had that with models until they started copying actors for no good reason.
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Well a good voice actor can sound quite different. Really good voice actors have a wide variety of range. I recognized Adam Jensen's voice actor in Starfield. Sam Coe sounds just like Adam Jensen. Well at least he looked different.
 
M76 said:
I'm talking about the phenomenon where they change the appearance from the real world model / actor, but insist it is not deliberate.
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I misunderstood then. Yes, I do not understand that.
 
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I misunderstood then. Yes, I do not understand that.
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It is clearly ideologically driven, they do everything in their power to defeminize female characters without outright making them men. The only thing that is up for debate still is whether they are doing it to fight against the "evil male gaze", or to validate the men who identify as women. I believe it used to be the former exclusively going back as far as 2014, then it slowly morphed into the latter. Now it is serving both purposes.
 
Naughty Dog 40th Anniversary Retrospective

Established in 1984 as JAM Software and becoming Naughty Dog in 1989...take a trip down memory lane to explore the studio's games from Crash Bandicoot and Jak and Daxter to Uncharted and The Last of Us...hear from the people behind the games about the process of development and what lies ahead with Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet...


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT_EIOxtOVY
 
I wonder why they ditched Clean Cut Nathan Drake and went with Gi Jane? The fact that she's shaving her head at the start is silly in the 2024 trailer.
 
Comixbooks said:
I wonder why they ditched Clean Cut Nathan Drake and went with Gi Jane? The fact that she's shaving her head at the start is silly in the 2024 trailer.
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a woman with a shaved head portrays toughness and strength
 
I wonder if this is already cancelled before it even launches? I mean we saw what happened to Concord. Granted, Concord was multiplayer which attracts a different kind of community.

Naughty Dog is Sony's golden child. They can do no wrong! /s
 
KazeoHin said:
I don't think this game will fail
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Since there is no clear criteria for what is a failure the shills will insist it is actually a success no matter what.

But the real decisions are made behind closed doors at SONY. And I'm certain they won't be happy with the performance of intergalactic. Naughty Dog is already on notice due to the cancelled last of us 2 multiplayer and then the cancelled stand alone multiplayer game in the last of us universe.

I just hope It's Druckmann's ass on the chopping block when this fails to meet expectations. Not because I wish ill. to him personally, but hoping he might get replaced by someone competent and not antagonistic towards gamers.
 
M76 said:
Since there is no clear criteria for what is a failure the shills will insist it is actually a success no matter what.

But the real decisions are made behind closed doors at SONY. And I'm certain they won't be happy with the performance of intergalactic. Naughty Dog is already on notice due to the cancelled last of us 2 multiplayer and then the cancelled stand alone multiplayer game in the last of us universe.

I just hope It's Druckmann's ass on the chopping block when this fails to meet expectations. Not because I wish ill. to him personally, but hoping he might get replaced by someone competent and not antagonistic towards gamers.
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They're doing this with Ghost of Yotei now that sales numbers leaked out. It sold 16% less than Tsushima, but the install base is 27% smaller (80 million PS5s compared to 110 million PS4s), so that means it's a bigger success.

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They're doing this with Ghost of Yotei now
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They are doing it with virtually everything. As if revenue / install base was ever a metric investors cared about. Never mind the fact that TLOU2 sold 4 million copies in the same time it took TLOU to sell 1 million in spite of all the negative coverage prior to launch. Compared to that Ghost of Yotei would be underperforming even if it was selling at 2x speed as Tsutsima. Highly anticipated sequels sell much quicker than their original counterparts due to having an already established fanbase. It doesn't need word of mouth. Yotei is a dismal failure but the shills will never admit it, their world view depends on it.
 
M76 said:
They are doing it with virtually everything. As if revenue / install base was ever a metric investors cared about. Never mind the fact that TLOU2 sold 4 million copies in the same time it took TLOU to sell 1 million in spite of all the negative coverage prior to launch. Compared to that Ghost of Yotei would be underperforming even if it was selling at 2x speed as Tsutsima. Highly anticipated sequels sell much quicker than their original counterparts due to having an already established fanbase. It doesn't need word of mouth. Yotei is a dismal failure but the shills will never admit it, their world view depends on it.
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TLOU2 may have sold quicker, but it also hit the ceiling quicker. It's especially bad when the remaster of the first game sold 80% more copies than the sequel. Between that and the original, the first game sold 160% more than the sequel. 26 million versus 10 million. It seems Sony faces this problem with nearly all their modern sequels.
 
Armenius said:
TLOU2 may have sold quicker, but it also hit the ceiling quicker. It's especially bad when the remaster of the first game sold 80% more copies than the sequel.
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That's completely irrelevant to my point, I'm just using it to demonstrate how the sequel to a highly acclaimed game should be performing at release.
Armenius said:
Between that and the original, the first game sold 160% more than the sequel. 26 million versus 10 million.
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The first one also got re-released like five times, plus has a 7 year head start. I think there are plenty of people who purchased TLOU 2-3 times over if not more.
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It seems Sony faces this problem with nearly all their modern sequels.
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The difference between TLOU2 and Yotei is that TLOU2 sales only fell off due to negative reception of the game. But with Yotei people were already disinterested before launch.
 
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