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Intel Chipset Design Error!!!

BlueAqua said:
For anyone above saying I posted bad advice about keeping and using the board until I have problems I'll do just that. I bought a $100 board, enjoying it now and will enjoy it for a long time to come. If you have important data that you don't want to lose, its your job to back it up using multiple methods. Always expect your drives to die, then if they do, you're already covered.

Like utnorris said, he's enjoying his SB setup, I'm enjoying mine. If you want to send it back, go for it, but you'll go without it for at least a few months, all while I'll be enjoying mine then probably replacing it when X68 comes out. I have the luxury of having multiple setups and a lot of flexibility, so if it dies I won't be broken hearted.

I'm actually really curious to see if this board will fail or if I'll suffer the symptoms of a failing SATA controller. Only time will tell and until then I'll call this board a Special Edition.
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Enjoy your Sandy Bridge man. I've enjoyed mine for the last couple weeks, but honestly it was really not much faster than my Q6600. Even at 4.5 Ghz, the SB did not impress me. The biggest upgrade for me was my SSD and my 580 GTX. I used those in my Q6600 for about 3 weeks before buying my SB parts. Those two parts alone improved everything for me more so than an entire new SB build.

The only thing I won't be able to do with my Q6600 box is go SLI and NV Surround since the board I have doesn't support it. I'm sure I'll live though. Fortunately I had not yet purchased my 2nd 580 :) Maybe I'll buy a 6970 and try out some Eyefinity since I only need a single card for that.

Luckily this chipset design flaw comes around and gives me the exact push I needed to return all the stuff I bought for Sandy. Guess I'll build a new PC in 2012.
 
it is faster, you just gotta have a use for the power. General windows tasks and gaming with a non-SLI setup? Not needed. Folding, rendering, ripping and things of that nature? Makes a big difference. Play a MMORPG? Will also help out. Only running the Q6600 at stock or under 3.0 GHZ? Should be a nice boost. Running it at 3.6? Not so much. Windows 7 uses those cores pretty well.
 
stockwiz said:
it is faster, you just gotta have a use for the power. General windows tasks and gaming with a non-SLI setup? Not needed. Folding, rendering, ripping and things of that nature? Makes a big difference. Play a MMORPG? Will also help out. Only running the Q6600 at stock or under 3.0 GHZ? Should be a nice boost. Running it at 3.6? Not so much. Windows 7 uses those cores pretty well.
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AMEN to that,folding SB is a bitchin BEAST..
 
Lets count the waves

Pentium 3 1.13 Ghz - FAILURES RECALL
Pentium 4 (Prescott) - Ran HOT
Phenom I X4 - TLB error, BIOS fix that makes it SLOWER
Atom - It's an Atom
Core i7/i5 (SB) - This problem

It happens, as long as Intel fixes it and MSI sends me a new board when this fails (3 year warrantee) I'll be happy. After some initial issues my SB build got up and running and OC'd like a dream, AND runs fast STOCK. At least I now know that any issues that crop up is likely the board and not the other components...Problem is that the MB is the biggest PITA to remove...the Antec 900 Two can get very very tight.
 
stockwiz said:
it is faster, you just gotta have a use for the power. General windows tasks and gaming with a non-SLI setup? Not needed. Folding, rendering, ripping and things of that nature? Makes a big difference. Play a MMORPG? Will also help out. Only running the Q6600 at stock or under 3.0 GHZ? Should be a nice boost. Running it at 3.6? Not so much. Windows 7 uses those cores pretty well.
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Yeah, I hear ya.. I don't do much of the processor heavy tasks (aside from the occasional DVD rip) that you listed. I stay the fuck away from MMO's. My Q6600 is at 3.0. Either way, I obviously don't need Sandy Bridge right now, so this design flaw was a "good" thing for me since it gives me the push to return the stuff I don't need.
 
finny76 said:
Where did you get the information from?
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I went there to exchange my P8P67 for an unrelated issue (Bad DIMM) and they said if i wanted i could return all of my SB purchases including the CPU. They are not selling P67/H67 boards until the issue is fixed.

They said that if anyone wants to return their purchases they will do it.
 
I remember something like this with a pentium bug that has some mathmatical issue that intel knew about but didn't want to admit till a professor found out about it. Then they had to recall that processor. I don't know why a company with such huge revenues and the "gold standard" for chipsets can let an error like this pass? It's just puzzling. Kinda glad I am a "tick" upgrader not a "tock" upgrader :)
 
Well all my boards are going back. Asrock Extreme 4 back to Egg for a refund. They'll try to say exchange only but since there's no stock available now, I should be getting $ back. I had a friend pick up an Asus Sabertooth locally but told him to return it for credit soon as I heard this hit the airwaves today. Better this than trying to deal with Asus/ Asrock via RMA
 
Mr Mean said:
I don't know why a company with such huge revenues and the "gold standard" for chipsets can let an error like this pass? It's just puzzling.
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Ha. Join a hardware design team, and you'll find out! This one would be particularly hard to catch, because I guess it needs the element of time for gradual degradation. Sounds like a physical design error (incorrect mask layer layout) possibly burning power.
 
So in 1-3 years time a certain amount of people will think their computers died on them and will need to buy a new one - how convenient. This is reminiscent of the bad capacitor problem on Dell desktops a few years back. While it may look like it will cost Intel up front, the early refresh may offset a little of that.
 
I wonder if this is why it's taking asus more than a day to setup an rma for me, which I started yesterday morning and I still have nothing going. My board pretty much melted a couple voltage mosfets.

Pics in thread

Not only that, they are taking awhile to "check" their stock of pro boards for my advanced rma, so I think I am sort of screwed at this point.

I made a Frankenstein temporary pc out of my old 939 a8n asus board in the meantime, at least I can play minecraft with it, just hope I don't have to wait a month for a revision...
 
IsLNdbOi said:
You're probably going to be waiting until March/April.
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Do you think they will get me a replacement? Maybe they can test the board to see if it has the issue. Never seen this type of things happen with a mobo before, for all brands, pretty crazy. From what I can gather, this is a minor issue for only a small percentage of boards, or is it really that bad?
 
From the information the public has been given, this issue affects ALL P67 and H67 motherboards that have been manufactured so far.
 
I think I lucked out on this one timing wise. I've only bought the memory because I was buying stuff only on sale. Looks like I'll be getting a new video card and monitor before a new mb and cpu now. This stinks for everyone involved no doubt. Kudos for Gary from Asus on the forums though. I like to see that even though it looks like it was a losing battle now.
 
Forceman said:
I think it is only P6x boards. H6x boards are fine.
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I saw a post about this on Engadget, but this info. was from a lowly Intel customer service representative, not some high up at Intel who knows what's going on.
 
So I was actually attempting to order this from Newegg as it was being pulled from the shelves -- lucky me for barely avoiding it.

They're saying that the new ones are going to start being distributed in late February from what I read, with full volume recovery in April. Does that mean that Newegg will have them for me to purchase (at the same price) in Feb? Or closer to April? I was planning on building in early Feb at the latest but I can put it off a few weeks (not months), so if I'm not going to be able to get one til April then I need to make a new plan.

I just don't think there's anything else in this price range that can even compete at the moment, boo.
 
The "P67 not H67" info was early, unconfirmed info, According to Intel's own Press Release, H67, P67, and N67 laptops are all affected. (Laptops being ignorable, because they generally only use the 2 SATAIII 6Gbps ports).

As for returns, the new Silicon will NOT be available (to OEM's) until late Feb, so do NOT expect finished motherboard product to be available until Mid-March IN CHINA/TAIWAN, and then shipping delay, plus logistical build up... so we ARE talking early April in people's hands BEST CASE. I suggest everyone plan accordingly.

On a VERY interesting side note (something we discussed in EggX chat), it appears with Vendors relaxing RMA rules en masse, this is a VERY good time to aggressively OC/push your systems, as the mere mention of a 1155 socket usually grants a total system RMA.

Didn't get a 1155 CPU with a decent OC yield? Guess what, Intel just handed y'all a DO-OVER card. Didn't get a decent bin 1155 CPU? Try for another? Got one that pushes 5GHz? Keep it, it's GOLD, baby!

Another things to look FORWARD to is the glut of cheap(er) Open Box/Returned 1155 CPU's in about 2 months time, as builders will take advantage of the glut in the market due to the tarnished name brand, as well as a excess inventory of returned CPU's that are being thrown back at Intel by people Panic-Abandoning the platform over what is, in the final analysis, still a viable if seriously flawed platform for a build, whose flaws ARE being rectified.

Just my bit of semi-literate analysis for the evening. (Which I can't post on my home forum, being just a tad to honest in taking advantage from this situation).
 
So, basically, if I just ordered an Asus P8P67-M Pro (micro atx) board, and I only intend to ever use 1 HD and one DVD drive, I should never see any problem?

I plan to just get my parts, build my machine and then, when work with Asus on an RMA a few months from now if it seems worth it. Hard to get concerned about failures on ports I won't use, that MIGHT happen in 1-3 years, by which time I probably would have replaced the board anyway.

Given all the chips that Intel makes over all, they've done an outstanding job of quality control. Mistakes happen. It's how the company deals with those mistakes that make or break them. It's still a bit early in this whole event, but so far it looks like Intel is trying to make things right.
 
CheapAsianGamerGuy said:
The "P67 not H67" info was early, unconfirmed info, According to Intel's own Press Release, H67, P67, and N67 laptops are all affected. (Laptops being ignorable, because they generally only use the 2 SATAIII 6Gbps ports).

As for returns, the new Silicon will NOT be available (to OEM's) until late Feb, so do NOT expect finished motherboard product to be available until Mid-March IN CHINA/TAIWAN, and then shipping delay, plus logistical build up... so we ARE talking early April in people's hands BEST CASE. I suggest everyone plan accordingly.

On a VERY interesting side note (something we discussed in EggX chat), it appears with Vendors relaxing RMA rules en masse, this is a VERY good time to aggressively OC/push your systems, as the mere mention of a 1155 socket usually grants a total system RMA.

Didn't get a 1155 CPU with a decent OC yield? Guess what, Intel just handed y'all a DO-OVER card. Didn't get a decent bin 1155 CPU? Try for another? Got one that pushes 5GHz? Keep it, it's GOLD, baby!

Another things to look FORWARD to is the glut of cheap(er) Open Box/Returned 1155 CPU's in about 2 months time, as builders will take advantage of the glut in the market due to the tarnished name brand, as well as a excess inventory of returned CPU's that are being thrown back at Intel by people Panic-Abandoning the platform over what is, in the final analysis, still a viable if seriously flawed platform for a build, whose flaws ARE being rectified.

Just my bit of semi-literate analysis for the evening. (Which I can't post on my home forum, being just a tad to honest in taking advantage from this situation).
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Who said anything about being able to get an RMA on the CPU? Asus, Gigabyte, etc aren't going to give you a new one, nor is Intel. So why would Newegg, etc? The problem is chipset, not CPU. Unless you are talking about pre-built systems, which applies to almost no one on this forum.
 
Forceman said:
Who said anything about being able to get an RMA on the CPU? Asus, Gigabyte, etc aren't going to give you a new one, nor is Intel. So why would Newegg, etc? The problem is chipset, not CPU. Unless you are talking about pre-built systems, which applies to almost no one on this forum.
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A lot of the major retailers are apparently accepting CPU returns as well currently.
 
OH snap, I got backed up.

Yeah, observationally, the major vendors are accepting full system (parts) orders for refund. Having a 1155 CPU is worthless without a compatible mobo being the logic behind it.

Can confirm Newegg and MC anecdotally.
 
For starters, that's pretty dishonest and if a lot of people were to do it they'd put a considerable strain on a situation that's already pretty hectic (RMA & support departments are gonna be busier than normal, etc.).

Second, how are you gonna exchange that CPU when most places aren't gonna start selling them again until March? (at best) You could return it and wait it out but that seems utterly pointless for an extra 200-400 Mhz... My guess is most stores will probably let you return the mobo and processor without questions but not the processor by itself "just because". Advocating some sort of overclock roulette is dumb.

I'm keeping my system, the hassle of pulling the mobo out in two or three months and not ripping music/movies directly on the system until then isn't any worse than the hassle of putting my old system back together and postponing this build.

Frankly the only thing that makes me consider a return isn't even Bulldozer, it's Z68... I'm still quite curious about the mysterious SSD cache feature they keep touting; and whether they'll support using the integrated GPU + a dedicated one in hybrid mode like laptops.
 
ocme said:
Well, guess what we enjoyed more than you. Seriously, thats usually not great advice. Especially with cpu/motherboards.
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What??

You enjoy paying a premium price for a flaky product?

Ok, well, thank you. It's the blind early adopters that make it possible for the rest of us
to pay a reasonable price on a more stable product later on.

God Bless America!

:cool:
 
jwalk6 said:
What?? You enjoy paying a premium price for a flaky product?

Ok, well, thank you. It's the blind early adopters that make it possible for the rest of us
to pay a reasonable price on a more stable product later on.
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For anyone that's actually using their SB system for things that truly take advantage of the extra performance, there really isn't any price premium involved. Performance-wise they're a pretty good value, especially if you took advantage of some of the Microcenter deals or Newegg combos. It's not like this stuff was new enough for anyone to still be price gouging.

This is one of the reasons I'm not gonna bother returning mine and I'll just deal with the RMA in April or over the summer... I got $35 off from a combo discount, $20 off from a rebate, and a free game on top of it. /shrug
 
Hopefully this delay will give motherboard manufacturers more time to work on the bios.
gigabyte, we're looking at you! for some uefi when everything settles down.


i honestly dont know if i can wait another 3 months before building a new system
im debating on whether i should go x58 or not, then sell and buy sandy when everything calms down.
this puts us all in a tight spot.
 
I'm in thesame boat TorxT3D. Except I sold my x58 stuff,well atleast most of it. I got a good deal for it, and came out even, so it was a good swap for me. Instead i'm just going to build a temporary system that will eventually become my htpc. It does put us (those who wanted to upgrade) in a real tight spot. I look at it as a benefit though, by the time the new mobos come out, we'll have a better idea on what's coming out and how it performs. We'll have new SSD/GPUs(6990 hopefully)/CPUs(SB again, Bulldozer hopefully will compete/Motherboards (as someone said new and improved bios hopefully). While it sucks for us the consumers, it is also kind of a good thing. It puts off having to spend a little more now and gives us more options in the future. My example is instead of having to buy a 6950 now, and upgrade to a 6990 I'll be able to hold off until March/April for a complete upgrade. This will also include new SSDs.

So while this is a huge pain, there are also quite a few upsides for us the consumer. We don't have to deal with any stop gaps, and there will be more/different/and hopefully better options come March/April. What we can hope for now is that AMDs Bulldozer does perform and this may lead to Intels back being pushed even further into the wall, and we may see a price war. However, that depends on quite a few things and I wont get my hopes up for that. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but I for one am quite optimistic. I'm just hoping that some of what we hope for becomes reality. What i'll be happy with is, new SSDs that perform and are a little cheaper for more space, new video cards (maybe price cuts in current gen.), refined 1155 motherboards.
 
Oh no, I just ordered a new computer at my local computershop (I5 2500k) and now this happens.

I have to call the shop and ask if this will have any consequences for the order, I won't be able to use my previous computer for much longer. Maybe it's not too late to change the order.


I should have gone with a i5-750/760 instead. :(
 
i am feeling better. the board i got 2 of has 4 sata 6.0 ports :D

Onboard SATA/RAID 4 x SATA 6 Gb/s, all NCQ and AHCI
2 of these support RAID (0, 1, 5, 10, Intel Rapid Storage)
2 from the Marvell SE9120 (no RAID)
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I soooo wanna hear Cartman say: Looks like somebody's got Sandybridge in their vagina. :p
 
CheapAsianGamerGuy said:
As for returns, the new Silicon will NOT be available (to OEM's) until late Feb, so do NOT expect finished motherboard product to be available until Mid-March IN CHINA/TAIWAN, and then shipping delay, plus logistical build up... so we ARE talking early April in people's hands BEST CASE. I suggest everyone plan accordingly.

On a VERY interesting side note (something we discussed in EggX chat), it appears with Vendors relaxing RMA rules en masse, this is a VERY good time to aggressively OC/push your systems, as the mere mention of a 1155 socket usually grants a total system RMA.

Didn't get a 1155 CPU with a decent OC yield? Guess what, Intel just handed y'all a DO-OVER card. Didn't get a decent bin 1155 CPU? Try for another? Got one that pushes 5GHz? Keep it, it's GOLD, baby!

Another things to look FORWARD to is the glut of cheap(er) Open Box/Returned 1155 CPU's in about 2 months time, as builders will take advantage of the glut in the market due to the tarnished name brand, as well as a excess inventory of returned CPU's that are being thrown back at Intel by people Panic-Abandoning the platform over what is, in the final analysis, still a viable if seriously flawed platform for a build, whose flaws ARE being rectified.

Just my bit of semi-literate analysis for the evening. (Which I can't post on my home forum, being just a tad to honest in taking advantage from this situation).
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This is how intelligent people think.

There's no reason to panic, keep it cool, and make the situation work for you.

Nice!
 
i do agree depraved... but.. its.more.waiting. tired of waiting and waiting.
i guess i can purchase supplemental parts, ram, gfx card, psu, hdds, misc crap, mod the case, etc in the meantime.

ughhh, waiting, hate it.
 
^why would you want to purchase other components in the meantime? the price of some of those could drop and better products released. what is the rush or need to have stuff lying around while you wait potentially a few months for motherboard. Don't waste your money yet and be patient
 
Thread should be titled [H]ard Forum goes [L]imp as people cry and possibly die over a chipset error that may or may not affect them. Since the [V]ast majority of OEM machines come with only 1 hdd and one optical drive that will most likely be hooked into the first 2 ports, it leads me to believe that this failure will be experienced by a very very small minority and Intel will not have much to worry about in the long run....
 
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