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Fermi A3 Silicon...

Yep, good ole, completely unbiased Charlie.

Salavat23 said:
You're the type that judges a book by it's cover.:rolleyes:
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It is completely valid to not trust a word this man writes because anyone with that level of brand worship and brand hate should not be taken seriously. A rational person would report on facts not based on the whole "my team rules, your teams drools" mentality. He is an embarrassment to IT journalism and should be fired. Even the doomsayers make accurate predictions once in a while, that doesn't make a single word that comes out of their mouths credible.
 
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Charlie's more accurate than Fuad.

Unless you are an Nvidia user who feels strongly for your fave GPU maker.
 
But considering this is actually good news, wouldn't it be kind of odd if he faked it? It'd make alot more sense if he cooked up a story about another delay or some such.
 
MrLonghair said:
Charlie's more accurate than Fuad.

Unless you are an Nvidia user who feels strongly for your fave GPU maker.
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Only recently, and has yet to be right about any of his performance predictions for any Nvidia based card.
 
This doesn't seem like the same "I FKN HATE NVIDIA RAWR" writing... its almost hopeful-sounding. It makes sense that February could finally see GTX 300 cards I guess, but break it down a bit... HD 5000 will have already been out for 5 months. 5 months in GPU land is where you start to really see rumors about the next-gen, and then in usually 1-3 months time you've got the next-gen in your hands. I really hope these new Nvidia chips are absolute beasts, but at the same time I'm sorta already planning on purchasing HD 5000 cards in spring.
 
edifyingkarma said:
Yep, good ole, completely unbiased Charlie.



It is completely valid to not trust a word this man writes because anyone with that level of brand worship and brand hate should not be taken seriously. A rational person would report on facts not based on the whole "my team rules, your teams drools" mentality. He is an embarrassment to IT journalism and should be fired. Even the doomsayers make accurate predictions once in a while, that doesn't make a single word that comes out of their mouths credible.
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One thing I will say, at least Charlie tells it like it is. He exaggerates his claims, no doubt, but he never holds back. I prefer reading his articles over journalists that just regurgitate information that PRs send them.

Just because all the facts aren't there doesn't mean you shouldn't go out with a story. You think Nvidia is going to spoon feed information to him about their problems? Please.. if everyone just waited for the facts none of this information would ever get out there.
 
Wow, backs up what HardOCP has been telling you guys for months. :) But I do NOT think it is going to be early in February by any shot. There is still the whole issue of production and NVTTM going away.
 
if they are getting A3 silicon in january, there is no way it goes to production in feb. maybe a paper launch in feb.. because they would still have to release production wafers to TSMC.. that will happen only after A3 silicon is completely tested out.
 
Well for what it's worth let's hope A3 turns out ok. Least it is delayed another season.
 
Actually from what I am hearing is that NVTTM is going away for the most part. NVIDIA will be building and selling the first few Fermis via Flextronics, but it is supposed to be small supplies this time. NV wants its AIBs to grow up. :) This will change the face of retail card sales in North America greatly.
 
not sure what its saying here. if fermi has a clock speed of 750mhz than it will beat cypress by 40%? but if its 500,mhz then they are about tie?
 
Wow, what happened to Charlie? Where is the invective? This is a very reasoned and mellow sounding article for being about NVIDIA.

I'm confused.

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Quick cocktail napkin math based on that 40% number gives me 93 1/3 % as fast as Cypress at 500mhz. Which gives the "tad slower" that he mentioned. The real question - what clocks will A3 silicon hit?

Based on that same quick and dirty math - 600mhz is a little more than 12% faster than cypress. 650mhz, 21% faster. 700mhz, 30%
 
Oh please. The market really needs a good Fermi, so I hope it will be worth the long waiting...
 
LAiN_OfTheWired said:
This doesn't seem like the same "I FKN HATE NVIDIA RAWR" writing... its almost hopeful-sounding. It makes sense that February could finally see GTX 300 cards I guess, but break it down a bit... HD 5000 will have already been out for 5 months. 5 months in GPU land is where you start to really see rumors about the next-gen, and then in usually 1-3 months time you've got the next-gen in your hands. I really hope these new Nvidia chips are absolute beasts, but at the same time I'm sorta already planning on purchasing HD 5000 cards in spring.
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well it is hopeful sounding for a reason.. this means 5k series prices will drop finally instead of continuing to go up.. and we may se the 5890 sooner then later.. but we're also talking about TSMC here thats making the chips.. so id say Feb is a wee bit early.. maybe see a very limited release in feb. for reviewers/magazines and crap.. but probably wont see anything on the consumer level til late march if we're lucky..

my prediction still stands that we wont see a consumer level card until mid to late april..


Matthew Kane said:
not sure you guys read these but:

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...00fermi-sli-powered-maingear-pc-pictured.aspx
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honestly for all we know it could just be 2 A2 fermi's which means nothing because they are horrible friggin gpu's which are only clocked at 500mhz.. and yet there is nothing that actually says those are even fermi cards.. they could be GTX 285's for all we know..
 
x3sphere said:
One thing I will say, at least Charlie tells it like it is. He exaggerates his claims, no doubt, but he never holds back. I prefer reading his articles over journalists that just regurgitate information that PRs send them.

Just because all the facts aren't there doesn't mean you shouldn't go out with a story. You think Nvidia is going to spoon feed information to him about their problems? Please.. if everyone just waited for the facts none of this information would ever get out there.
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Right...:rolleyes:

So he tells it like it is for NVIDIA stuff (i.e. everything is doom and gloom in 99% of the cases), but he can regurgitate all of AMD's PR FUD and it's ok ?

Give me a break...the guy is a tool in AMD's hands and never, I repeat, NEVER even wrote something about AMD as it was, like the Phenom TLB bug, AMD's finances. , ATI's R600 failure, etc.

And I love the "just because all the facts aren't there doesn't mean you shouldn't go out with a story.". That describes Charlie's "articles" completely and it's sad to see someone support this kind of thing.
 
Decibel said:
Wow, what happened to Charlie? Where is the invective? This is a very reasoned and mellow sounding article for being about NVIDIA.

I'm confused.

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Quick cocktail napkin math based on that 40% number gives me 93 1/3 % as fast as Cypress at 500mhz. Which gives the "tad slower" that he mentioned. The real question - what clocks will A3 silicon hit?

Based on that same quick and dirty math - 600mhz is a little more than 12% faster than cypress. 650mhz, 21% faster. 700mhz, 30%
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Is the idiot (Charlie) talking about performance based on clocks alone ? If he is, why are you even using his gibberish, when clocks are far from the only determining performance factor, especially in a new architecture such as Fermi ?
 
Decibel said:
Wow, what happened to Charlie? Where is the invective? This is a very reasoned and mellow sounding article for being about NVIDIA.

I'm confused.

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Quick cocktail napkin math based on that 40% number gives me 93 1/3 % as fast as Cypress at 500mhz. Which gives the "tad slower" that he mentioned. The real question - what clocks will A3 silicon hit?

Based on that same quick and dirty math - 600mhz is a little more than 12% faster than cypress. 650mhz, 21% faster. 700mhz, 30%
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The man has never gotten a performance prediction right yet, why do you assume he has this time?
 
XMAN245 said:
The man has never gotten a performance prediction right yet, why do you assume he has this time?
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He seems to have used clock frequencies to do the comparison. Only Joe Average that knows nothing about GPUs, may fall for this BS...
 
Probably that they've been whining too much and nVidia feels like being all dominant over 'em just to exercise their authority and remind them who's the bitch and who's the butch. ;)
 
Proxy said:
I was wondering the same thing. Unless they are mad at XFX for selling ATi stuff now. I don't know.
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Given the problems XFX has had latel with 680/780/790i/p55/x58 and countless Nvidia branded cards and boards, for them I wouldn't be surprised. They seem to have very poor Q&A and almost as bad support. Luckily I haven't had an issue with the 9600GTs I have, but I have heard the horror stories from a few friends who have bought higher end cards and registered well within the 30 days to get the lifetime warranty.
 
Strange it's a very tame article. Wonder if this means they (Nvidia) are really happy with the outlook?
 
Silus said:
Right...:rolleyes:

So he tells it like it is for NVIDIA stuff (i.e. everything is doom and gloom in 99% of the cases), but he can regurgitate all of AMD's PR FUD and it's ok ?

Give me a break...the guy is a tool in AMD's hands and never, I repeat, NEVER even wrote something about AMD as it was, like the Phenom TLB bug, AMD's finances. , ATI's R600 failure, etc.

And I love the "just because all the facts aren't there doesn't mean you shouldn't go out with a story.". That describes Charlie's "articles" completely and it's sad to see someone support this kind of thing.
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i guess you missed the other day where he let AMD/ATI know what he felt about the bluray 3d they demoed


Charlie is really good at what he does, get inside information, and he understands enough about hte industry to make pretty well informed predictions.

Anyone here on the [H] can easily that right now, AMD/ATI are doing most everything right while Nvidia has really been slipping up. If anything i really would have thought both camps would appreciate the news he reports. At least you don't have to swallow (hook line and sinker) wha the PR departments for both camps spit out.

if you did you would have really thought Fermi was comign out in november and would have had wood screws to hold it together. Instead you can now make a fairly informed decision, buy an ATI 5870 now and if not you would only have to wait until the worst case scenario, March or April

Sorry abut as an [H]ard member, charlie's info is welcomed.
 
H-street said:
i guess you missed the other day where he let AMD/ATI know what he felt about the bluray 3d they demoed
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Of course I missed it. If it's something bad about AMD (although I kind of doubt it is), it's not plastered in 30 threads in here, as are the doom and gloom "articles" he writes about NVIDIA.

H-street said:
Charlie is really good at what he does, get inside information, and he understands enough about hte industry to make pretty well informed predictions.
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Like when there was no GTX 295 ? And that all NVIDIA parts, 55 and 65 nm, desktop or notebook were bad ? And that R600 was going to destroy G80 ? And that NVIDIA was for sale ? Should I go on ?

I don't think I will, since the crap he writes is unfortunately plastered all over these forums, so you can easily check them yourself...

H-street said:
Anyone here on the [H] can easily that right now, AMD/ATI are doing most everything right while Nvidia has really been slipping up. If anything i really would have thought both camps would appreciate the news he reports. At least you don't have to swallow (hook line and sinker) wha the PR departments for both camps spit out.

if you did you would have really thought Fermi was comign out in november and would have had wood screws to hold it together. Instead you can now make a fairly informed decision, buy an ATI 5870 now and if not you would only have to wait until the worst case scenario, March or April

Sorry abut as an [H]ard member, charlie's info is welcomed.
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As I said, it's quite sad to see someone praising this guy. You like bias and disinformation in your "news". I prefer facts and if I do have to have rumors, I need them without bias. Neither is something that Charlie provides.
 
I wonder what incentive nvidia are going to come up with to entice people to buy these cards? The games are tied to the consoles so it's not like they are going to get more complex over the next year and the 295's already do 2560x1600 at a squillion frames per second anyway.

I can't see many people wanting to downgrade from a triple monitor setup back to a single screen and a marginally higher 'minimum frames' benchmark. I think ATI were pretty smart in giving people a new reason to shell out 500 quid on a new GPU. I just don't see what nvidia have to offer. I'm using a GTX285 right now and I couldn't care less about a faster nvidia card. I want Eyefinity badly though.
 
Finkus said:
I wonder what incentive nvidia are going to come up with to entice people to buy these cards? The games are tied to the consoles so it's not like they are going to get more complex over the next year and the 295's already do 2560x1600 at a squillion frames per second anyway.

I can't see many people wanting to downgrade from a triple monitor setup back to a single screen and a marginally higher 'minimum frames' benchmark. I think ATI were pretty smart in giving people a new reason to shell out 500 quid on a new GPU. I just don't see what nvidia have to offer. I'm using a GTX285 right now and I couldn't care less about a faster nvidia card. I want Eyefinity badly though.
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NVIDIA has their own version of "eyefinity" for quite some time now. It was only available in their Quadro line though.

If they want to, they'll have no problems in adding it to Fermi based parts.

However, Eyefinity catters to a niche market, because it's expensive. That won't shift the majority of people's interests.
 
Silus said:
As I said, it's quite sad to see someone praising this guy. You like bias and disinformation in your "news". I prefer facts and if I do have to have rumors, I need them without bias. Neither is something that Charlie provides.
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i guess i just preferr to have all the information i can and then make my own opinion and decision. By all means, if you want you can stick with the "main" stream media, get fed PR/marketing or block out the information you don't like that is your choice.

I like semmiaccurate/fudzilla/theinquirer for the same reason i like the [H]. I can read about some information and use my own good judgement to decide what I think is good information.


I can understand your disdain for him, in todays media everyone always builds their tent around theri "favorite" news source. Whether its CNN, FoxNews, MSNBC, BBC or anything. everyone always has their favorite and the one they hate the most because of their own personal views and opinions.

For me, give me all the info and let me make my own informed decision.
 
Silus said:
NVIDIA has their own version of "eyefinity" for quite some time now. It was only available in their Quadro line though.

If they want to, they'll have no problems in adding it to Fermi based parts.

However, Eyefinity catters to a niche market, because it's expensive. That won't shift the majority of people's interests.
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That's a good point, but we are [H] and we are that niche market. I was really talking about it from our perspective.

To be fair on Eyefinity, it isn't really that expensive (in terms of our budget, not the general public's). It's actually cheaper than going for a 30" display setup.
 
Finkus said:
That's a good point, but we are [H] and we are that niche market. I was really talking about it from our perspective.
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You're talking about a niche (Eyefinity) within a niche (high end graphics cards) within a niche (enthusiasts). I doubt Nvidia will be too worried about sales if they don't have something similiar to Eyefinity. Couple the fact that Eyefinity is far from a generally usable solution due to poor application support (FOV, HUD scaling etc) and I dont see why they should be worried.
 
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