EA on Women in Battlefield V: Accept It, or Don’t Buy the Game

All I see on this form are a bunch of the same people blaming Social Justice Warriors for ruining their games, guns, and porn. Perhaps... if there was actual social justice... we wouldn't need what you refer to as SJW's so deridingly.

It's like I'm watching young men collectively get their dicks in knots over something that really is nothing. The SAME kind of guys that bitched about not being able to be misogynistic douche bags to a chick at a tekken competition.

Heads out of asses. Stop making all gamers and technical professionals look like closeted dickheads.
 
Chupachup said:
And again, it's a scripted story that does NOT require RAPE to be a component added to the other factors of realism in ANY >GAME<. Where do you get off with this nonsense?!

There's nothing stopping torture and sexual atrocities from happening to male soldiers either, i.e, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, Vietnam, U.S./Russian/Japanese/German SS/et al interrogations during WWII, etc. Where are those in this or ANY game?

That is the point Lenard. These are all constructs that could be put in the game, and yet "realism" purists who would like to see women out, would still not allow these other aspects of "realism" into the game- not that EA would ever want or let them in!

IT'S A GAME and it's EA's property to do with as they wish. THEY have a fictional story to tell that offers active participation to determine an outcome. If you don't like women being active characters in plot of this period piece- D-o-n-'t b-u-y t-h-e g-a-m-e:kiss: Simple!

My guess is, most of those taking the inclusion of female characters in this game as a crotch shot at the moment will also be pre-purchasing the game and moving on to the next of life's tribulations as they roid rage about cheats and aimbots.
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I guess it was my fault for not being clear. I was not criticizing women being in the game. I have no problem with women in games. I was just hoping for some rape DLC. I am not a sexist.
 
Lenard said:
I guess it was my fault for not being clear. I was not criticizing women being in the game. I have no problem with women in games. I was just hoping for some rape DLC. I am not a sexist.
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I really hope a mod makes that quite a permanent part of your account. There is nothing in your response saying you're joking. I'm responding here and keeping this because everyone needs to know what a future citizen of our Criminal Justice System looks like.
 
Lenard said:
I guess it was my fault for not being clear. I was not criticizing women being in the game. I have no problem with women in games. I was just hoping for some rape DLC. I am not a sexist.
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Grimlaking said:
I really hope a mod makes that quite a permanent part of your account. There is nothing in your response saying you're joking. I'm responding here and keeping this because everyone needs to know what a future citizen of our Criminal Justice System looks like.
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I am obviously not a mod, and by most accounts, I'm probably one of the newest and least- [H]ard among you.

Notwithstanding that, I have to believe that Lenard must be overstating his position out of frustration. I have to believe, and seriously hope, no one in this forum would mean such a thing. I think, and would encourage, Lenard to rethink what he's said, realize how reprehensible and inappropriate it is, and issue a proper apology.

I'm not at all a prude. I'm not correct on many things, politically or otherwise. However, I think this statement cannot be genuine, because such an individual would have very serious character defect. It should not have been said, and should now be addressed and an apology issued. We all overstate things from time to time, putting judgment aside. This is particularly offensive, however, and warrants a response from its author.

That's also an opportunity to more appropriately articulate what he meant to say.

Edit: to be clear I am roundly condemning Lenard's statement. In case that was not clear.
 
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Joust said:
I am obviously not a mod, and by most accounts, I'm probably one of the newest and least- [H]ard among you.

Notwithstanding that, I have to believe that Lenard must be overstating his position out of frustration. I have to believe, and seriously hope, no one in this forum would mean such a thing. I think, and would encourage, Lenard to rethink what he's said, realize how reprehensible and inappropriate it is, and issue a proper apology.

I'm not at all a prude. I'm not correct on many things, politically or otherwise. However, I think this statement cannot be genuine, because such an individual would have very serious character defect. It should not have been said, and should now be addressed and an apology issued. We all overstate things from time to time, putting judgment aside. This is particularly offensive, however, and warrants a response from its author.

That's also an opportunity to more appropriately articulate what he meant to say.

Edit: to be clear I am roundly condemning Lenard's statement. In case that was not clear.
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I know this is off topic a bit but just to devils advocate it, Is a game where your goal is to beat, shoot, stab, run over, set fire to, and explode other people morally/ethically okay but if they were to add a rape option, that is not okay? I mean if I am not standing on the capture point and the other team caps it, i probably deserve to have a small violation to myself and have a virtual limp for standing in the wrong spot.
 
Chupachup said:
That is the point Lenard. These are all constructs that could be put in the game, and yet "realism" purists who would like to see women out, would still not allow these other aspects of "realism" into the game- not that EA would ever want or let them in!
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IT'S A GAME and it's EA's property to do with as they wish.
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And it is on their customers to criticize it as they wish.
 
Grimlaking said:
I really hope a mod makes that quite a permanent part of your account. There is nothing in your response saying you're joking. I'm responding here and keeping this because everyone needs to know what a future citizen of our Criminal Justice System looks like.
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This is not [F]laccid_I'm_easily_triggered_OCP.
 
Joust said:
Notwithstanding that, I have to believe that Lenard must be overstating his position out of frustration. I have to believe, and seriously hope, no one in this forum would mean such a thing. I think, and would encourage, Lenard to rethink what he's said, realize how reprehensible and inappropriate it is, and issue a proper apology.

I'm not at all a prude. I'm not correct on many things, politically or otherwise. However, I think this statement cannot be genuine, because such an individual would have very serious character defect. It should not have been said, and should now be addressed and an apology issued. We all overstate things from time to time, putting judgment aside. This is particularly offensive, however, and warrants a response from its author.
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He wasn't serious but it doesn't matter either way. By playing BF and similar games, you are obviously enjoying killing players. Seeing as death of human beings in the game brings you joy and a sense of achievement by resulting awards, I can only conclude that you are a deeply disturbed individual on a brink of a homicidal spree in real life. There are some dangerous tendencies you're displaying by your gaming habits. I sincerely hope our criminal justice system won't have another horrific case in their hands.

I encourage you to rethink your gaming habits, repent, and exclusively play My Little Pony games from now on.

Though, animal cruelty...
 
This is so dumb, most people will likely play a male model, the real question is:

Will this be a good Battlefield game? I doubt it, and genitals will have little to do with that.
 
Grimlaking said:
All I see on this form are a bunch of the same people blaming Social Justice Warriors for ruining their games, guns, and porn. Perhaps... if there was actual social justice... we wouldn't need what you refer to as SJW's so deridingly.

It's like I'm watching young men collectively get their dicks in knots over something that really is nothing. The SAME kind of guys that bitched about not being able to be misogynistic douche bags to a chick at a tekken competition.

Heads out of asses. Stop making all gamers and technical professionals look like closeted dickheads.
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Sorry your girl lost...
 
thejokker said:
You are missing the point. One straw cannot break a camels back but if you add enough straws then you will eventually come to a point where one straw will break the camel. Gamer's are feed up with Social Justice Warriors/feminists appropriating the gaming community. It's about much more than this one situation. Companies that appease feminists/SJW will be punished just as Disney is being punished for allowing feminists/SJW to appropriate the Star Wars franchise.

All across the country the progressive agenda is becoming poison. The backlash has commenced...
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Oh please! You missed the point! It's not you property and it's not for you to decide its course of development. Like it- Buy it! Don't Like it-Don't buy it!

You want to fight what you want to call a "progressive agenda"? Fight with your wallet! What part of "simple" don't you get?"
 
Lenard said:
I guess it was my fault for not being clear. I was not criticizing women being in the game. I have no problem with women in games. I was just hoping for some rape DLC. I am not a sexist.
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Good on you for being honest! I hope that when such DLC becomes available that it doesn't violate your parole;);):ROFLMAO:

Meeho said:
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And it is on their customers to criticize it as they wish.
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Agreed. However, most of those "criticisms" boil down to a fictional account not being real enough due to the addition of women- to the detriment of the game. That's about as base as you can get without fully pancaking the brain!

I'd understand it more, if these criticisms were coming from within the development team and it showed a forking of the minds behind the creation of content, i.e., more historically correct storyline versus a more fictional storyline.

This is NOT and was never meant to be a fully factual accounting of events that took place during the war and people seem to be missing the plot that this is entertainment not a documentary. LOL
 
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nEo717 said:
There was women on the battle field in WWII... Russia, even the EU had women at the AA guns, then we cross into the Resistance women there as well.
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Let's not rewrite history. The U.S. military did not allow women to serve in frontline combat roles in WWII. Most militaries didn't and still don't. The countries that do, didn't lower their standards for women forcing them to pass the same tests as men. That's something that very few women have ever been able to do.

So yes, some women have served on the battlefields of history, but they were few and far between. It was also rarer in the past than it is today. If it's a period game, they should do things with some level of accuracy. It's the same complaint I had about CoD BLOPS II concerning weapons appearing in the game decades before they were available.
 
Meah... EA (like Baron Ruddigore) does at least one evil thing every day - this is petty by their standards
 
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Thanks to everyone pathetic enough to get in a hissy fit about some people having the option to choose an avatar gender (YES, YOU CHOOSE).

If you threw a hissy fit without knowing that you wouldn't be forced to play as some avatar you didn't care about, you are still pathetic since you let your fanaticism cloud your thoughts.

If you think that I'm a pro sarkeesian or whatever because I took the time to learn about the game and what were they doing then you're really specially dumb.


Btw I just don't play battlefield games anymore so whatever, but this wouldn't have moved me in any way.
 
Darunion said:
Right? Like it is okay to be a triggered snowflake if you say you are fighting againt social justice. Remember when men were strong and were too busy to get emotional about a video game? When did we get so angry about everything all the time?

I do agree they should state loosely based on wwII. But then let's be honest, I dont think there were balanced skirmishes consisting of only 32 soldiers on each side where many would disconnect and join a new fight if it started to go south.

If the game sells well then what they did was a good decision, if it tanks then it wasnt. Maybe if you select a female character they make you sit in a ammunition factory all day? haha
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Haha, indeed. I mean it's pretty obvious who the REAL snowflakes are :D
 
Revdarian said:
Thanks to everyone pathetic enough to get in a hissy fit about some people having the option to choose an avatar gender (YES, YOU CHOOSE).

If you threw a hissy fit without knowing that you wouldn't be forced to play as some avatar you didn't care about, you are still pathetic since you let your fanaticism cloud your thoughts.

If you think that I'm a pro sarkeesian or whatever because I took the time to learn about the game and what were they doing then you're really specially dumb.


Btw I just don't play battlefield games anymore so whatever, but this wouldn't have moved me in any way.
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First off, it helps to use something approaching proper spelling and grammar when trying to make a point. Second, criticism of the product isn't throwing a "hissy fit" just because you don't understand said criticism or don't agree with it. It isn't fanaticism either. Those aren't the only reasons for critiquing the game.

My issue with the game has nothing to do with options. Again, it's about suspension of disbelief which is essential for any fictional story or the setting being authentic. Women were not front line soldiers in WWII. Most militaries to this day don't allow women to serve in front line combat. The ones that do generally force women to meet the same entrance and boot camp qualifications that men do which is difficult. It is a FACT of biology that men and women are different. Men have something like 48% more upper body strength than women do. This isn't being sexist, this isn't being upset about choice, it's one of the factual reasons why most military organizations chose male soldiers. Lets also not forget that this is a period game and there are social issues where women weren't afforded the same rights as men. This is all bullshit and people complaining about women in BFV aren't saying they hate women, hate women's rights or anything like that.

Criticism of Battlefield V having female soldiers in the game doesn't necessarily equate to sexism or any other isms. There are plenty of other games which feature female protagonists and female avatars that literally no one complains about. You'll find a significant amount of female avatars in MMO's. The old joke about MMORPG standing for "Many Men Online Role Playing Girls" applies. You can opt for female genders in Mass Effect and many other games and this has never been a problem. Could it possibly be that its inaccuracies in a period piece that could be the issue? For some reason the SJW crowd goes right to "men are sexist" or "gamers are sexist" while conveniently forgetting about all the other games where female characters don't draw criticism.

Your the one jumping to conclusions about the reasons for the controversy from some of the gaming community. I assure you, sex, race, etc. aren't the issue. It's just not how things were done in the mid 1940's. Nothing more, and nothing less. I'd complain if the game featured SPAS-12 shotguns designed in the late 1970's in 1945. I'd say the people behind the game didn't do their proper research when developing the game if they showed M45's instead of M1911A1's.
 
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Ranulfo said:
So what you're saying is, your wife is a sexist who can never play a different sex character. All because she can't relate or something? Talk about narrow minded.
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You're narrow minded because you fail to understand that representation of a race, sex, handicap, sexual orientation etc. are important.
If this game only had black people in it, would you want to play it? What if it only had Gay people? Or white men only?

FOH keyboard masher
 
WorldExclusive said:
You're narrow minded because you fail to understand that representation of a race, sex, handicap, sexual orientation etc. are important.
If this game only had black people in it, would you want to play it? What if it only had Gay people? Or white men only?

FOH keyboard masher
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This is all true. These things do matter to some extent. There is tons of research showing this to be the case. The rules aren't absolute though. No one bitches about men hating Ellen Ripley for not being able to relate to her or anything like that. Good characters will be good regardless of gender, sexual orientation, or race. However, these elements can also be useful defining traits for those characters. What I don't like is seeing characters changed for no reason other than meeting quota's or pushing agenda's.
 
Dan_D said:
This is all true. These things do matter to some extent. There is tons of research showing this to be the case. The rules aren't absolute though. No one bitches about men hating Ellen Ripley for not being able to relate to her or anything like that. Good characters will be good regardless of gender, sexual orientation, or race. However, these elements can also be useful defining traits for those characters. What I don't like is seeing characters changed for no reason other than meeting quota's or pushing agenda's.
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So they're trying to expand their player base and make more money. EA being a for-profit company I don't see anything wrong with them having that agenda.
 
Teenk9 said:
So they're trying to expand their player base and make more money. EA being a for-profit company I don't see anything wrong with them having that agenda.
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I totally understand that reason. However, I don't honestly think it will work that way in this case. Men and women like different things. Therefore, I don't think that we will see a massive female player base in a Battlefield game set in WWII. Women who aren't fans of the Battlefield series now probably won't start playing it just because they can be women in the game. I'm sure there will be a few, but I don't think it will have a huge impact on sales. Also, there are people like me who want a bit more authenticity than EA seems willing to provide at this point. That may lose them more sales than they would ever gain by trying to make the game more inclusive.

We will see once the sales numbers are in I suppose.
 
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So they're trying to expand their player base and make more money. EA being a for-profit company I don't see anything wrong with them having that agenda.
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Never has a game increased its base because of inclusionary PC politics.
 
Meeho said:
Never has a game increased its base because of inclusionary PC politics.
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I'm fairly certain this is an accurate statement. Games probably see more success when they generate controversy due to being offensive.
 
if you dont have a problem with women why the fuck are people offended. I would have said the same shit. I am sick and tired of damn controversies. People need to stop being dumb and grow the fuck up! I am not sure at what point was he addressing this to everyone? Do you want him to line up people that don't like this idea and separate them and then say it? ROFL! Clearly he meant to say it to those people that have a problem with it. People need to stop losing their shit. It says clearly he had a message for those who disagree with women being in the game. Now everyone is getting pissed because they hate EA? Sick and tired of entitled people that think there is no place for women in a game. I guess they gave birth to themselves!
 
How in the fuck are some of you equating sexism with complaints about women being heavily featured in a game that's centered around a time period where women didn't see active combat in most if not all military forces of the day? Pay attention this time. The issue isn't with women, or female characters in general. The problem is with female characters being prominent in a game that takes place in a time period in history where that didn't fucking happen. Period. It would be just as retarded if they put Star Trek phasers in a WWII game or FN SCAR rifles. Those things do NOT belong in a game that takes place in World War II without science fiction elements being introduced.

Jesus fuck. It's as though some of you think that there is only ever ONE reason why someone would complain about something. People can complain for different reasons. Why is it that you latch onto only one possibility and assume that's the case every time? Furthermore, you make this assumption despite overwhelming evidence that contradicts your statement. Some of the people complaining about this are going to go login to some MMO and play a character that's female when they aren't female in real life. Some of them may fire up Tomb Raider or Mass Effect and opt for a female version of Commander Shepard. Are you so obtuse that you can't understand this simple concept?

If I have to say it again, I'm breaking out the crayons and construction paper.

The complaint about women in BFV does *NOT* mean any of the following:
That they hate women.
That they are sexist.
That women shouldn't play games.
That women have no right to be included in said gaming experiences.

What the complaint generally centers around is this:
It isn't historically accurate. Period. End of fucking story. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
NKD said:
if you dont have a problem with women why the fuck are people offended. I would have said the same shit. I am sick and tired of damn controversies. People need to stop being dumb and grow the fuck up! I am not sure at what point was he addressing this to everyone? Do you want him to line up people that don't like this idea and separate them and then say it? ROFL! Clearly he meant to say it to those people that have a problem with it. People need to stop losing their shit. It says clearly he had a message for those who disagree with women being in the game. Now everyone is getting pissed because they hate EA? Sick and tired of entitled people that think there is no place for women in a game. I guess they gave birth to themselves!
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This is ridiculous.

Sign.....................Your "argument" couldn't be more divorced from reality.

I don't have a problem with women. I'm also not offended by the inclusion of women in the game. You've made assumptions about my position which are totally unsupported. The message addressed to people who disagree with the design of the game was understood, and the backlash is going to continue anyway, because they feel as though they aren't being heard. When someone doesn't hear you, one tends to get louder. When someone doesn't understand you, one tends to try and explain things in a different manner. This is the reason why this continues. People are pissed because they hate EA, but that isn't isolated to this topic.

Now tell me, how is my issue with the historical accuracy of the game make me entitled to anything? It also doesn't mean that I don't think there is a place for women in a game. I think that prominently featuring female soldiers in a time frame when this didn't or wouldn't have happened often if ever is a mistake because it breaks immersion by being historically inaccurate. Again, when you do a movie, TV show or game based on a specific period, authenticity is part of creating the suspension of disbelief. CoD BLOPS II was centered around the Vietnam era. The game featured the SPAS-12 shotgun in the 1960's. This gun wasn't designed until the late 1970's. It wasn't available in the U.S. until about 1983. If you know something about history, or a given subject and you see errors, it bothers you. It feels inaccurate to a point that detracts from the experience. It's a complaint about authenticity and historical accuracy. I think we can all agree its a game and mistakes often show up in period pieces no matter what the medium. However, blatantly incorrect stuff tends to draw attention. If this wasn't a period piece and took place today, or was based in the future no one would have had an issue with it.

How hard is this shit to understand? Am I talking to a bunch of Flat Earthers or something?
 
Just saw some random BF5 video on youtube.

Lot of the comments were promises from guys that the were going to troll BF5 players with women characters.

See, this is the shit I'm talking about.

I knew this would happen. There is so much uproar and rightfully so, that trolls will absolutely flood the game with female characters to get a kick out of screwing with people.

Why didn't EA just make some fantasy BS game like all the rest with lame bunny hopping and cartoon graphics and name it something else instead of fcking with our Battlefield?

Boy, can't wait to see all the multiplayer game-play videos of Battlefield ..... tons of women running around.

I mean, it doesn't matter. They were gonna screw up battlefield regardless of this. But still ....

Jeezue ... what is going on. I can't believe any of this is actually happening with this game. I'm stunned.
 
Dan_D said:
This is ridiculous.

Sign.....................Your "argument" couldn't be more divorced from reality.

I don't have a problem with women. I'm also not offended by the inclusion of women in the game. You've made assumptions about my position which are totally unsupported. The message addressed to people who disagree with the design of the game was understood, and the backlash is going to continue anyway, because they feel as though they aren't being heard. When someone doesn't hear you, one tends to get louder. When someone doesn't understand you, one tends to try and explain things in a different manner. This is the reason why this continues. People are pissed because they hate EA, but that isn't isolated to this topic.

Now tell me, how is my issue with the historical accuracy of the game make me entitled to anything? It also doesn't mean that I don't think there is a place for women in a game. I think that prominently featuring female soldiers in a time frame when this didn't or wouldn't have happened often if ever is a mistake because it breaks immersion by being historically inaccurate. Again, when you do a movie, TV show or game based on a specific period, authenticity is part of creating the suspension of disbelief. CoD BLOPS II was centered around the Vietnam era. The game featured the SPAS-12 shotgun in the 1960's. This gun wasn't designed until the late 1970's. It wasn't available in the U.S. until about 1983. If you know something about history, or a given subject and you see errors, it bothers you. It feels inaccurate to a point that detracts from the experience. It's a complaint about authenticity and historical accuracy. I think we can all agree its a game and mistakes often show up in period pieces no matter what the medium. However, blatantly incorrect stuff tends to draw attention. If this wasn't a period piece and took place today, or was based in the future no one would have had an issue with it.

How hard is this shit to understand? Am I talking to a bunch of Flat Earthers or something?
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Damn! you take a general statement this personally? Flat earther? I dont even remember quoting you bro! That was a "you" in third person. I wanted to call you out I would nave quoted you. I am not sure why you quoted me when I wasn't even directly responding to you, I didn't "reply" to you I was just commenting on the post in general! I was wondering for a moment why you were quoting and taking it so personal, lol!

Oh by the way I fight flat earthers on facebook all day and also people think there is no space, its a conspiracy crap.
 
NKD said:
Damn! you take a general statement this personally? Flat earther? I dont even remember quoting you bro! That was a "you" in third person. I wanted to call you out I would nave quoted you. I am not sure why you quoted me when I wasn't even directly responding to you, I didn't "reply" to you I was just commenting on the post in general! I was wondering for a moment why you were quoting and taking it so personal, lol!

Oh by the way I fight flat earthers on facebook all day and also people think there is no space, its a conspiracy crap.
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It's not personal. Were I to go with something more personal, I wouldn't have spoken in general terms. I didn't call you out specifically, Only part of my post was meant to address yours.
 
Dan_D said:
So yes, some women have served on the battlefields of history, but they were few and far between. It was also rarer in the past than it is today. If it's a period game, they should do things with some level of accuracy. It's the same complaint I had about CoD BLOPS II concerning weapons appearing in the game decades before they were available.
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That's not the issue. They don't want to be true to history, fine. But they should own up to it, and not try and re-write history to match their bullshit ideology.
 
I think after reading this thread I have found my first ever group of people I want to block and never hear from again
Holy shit you guys
Its a game....hahahaha ITS A GAME. yes I'm using that term.

All the wah wah wah about "well its not cause there are women avatars, its WHY they were put in"
Who honestly should give a shit...really...is this honestly the absolute PINNACLE of a first world problem

I worked for EA, they want money and will do WHATEVER they can to make it, and yet you all seem affronted.
"Historical accuracy blah blah blah"...Once again...its EA...and once again....its a game.

Get the fuck over yourselfs


Wouldn't have thought I';d say this.....but I agree with EA, have an issue with it, move onto to something else.
This nearly needs to go to the soapbox its turned into such a shitfest
 
IMO Battlefield video games are about as historically accurate as Call Of Duty Advanced Warfare. Just my 0.02c.

If you want historical accuracy, watch a WW2 documentary.
 
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