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DOOM: The Dark Ages

Decided to give it a whirl, played the first two missions tonight, seems pretty decent but I’m not wowed so far. I got all the collectibles on the first mission no problem, but could only find like half on the second even though I was hunting like crazy for them. I really didn’t like all the invisible walls and falling off the map when it looked like there was a place to go. It’s been a while but it didn’t feel like that was as common in last two.

That aside the game runs well and looks pretty good while doing it, as expected. I don’t mind the shield mechanics or parry, the window is generous, but it’s a little weird to me that you only parry ‘green’.
 
Strange this is performing so poorly based on Steam player counts given it has been generally well received by critics and users. Makes me wonder whether Id cooked itself by thinking it could charge $69.99 for the base game.
 
Steam is not really relevant for Game Pass games. Anyone who wants to play this can pay 15-18$ and finish it within one month of game pass.
 
I bought the game on the Xbox app. In general I have been buying fewer games from Steam over the past few years.
 
With so many publishers having their own launchers, I purchase very little from steam these days even if it’s available in steam since you often still need to have the publishers launcher installed and running even if not purchased there.
 
WilyKit said:
With so many publishers having their own launchers, I purchase very little from steam these days even if it’s available in steam since you often still need to have the publishers launcher installed and running even if not purchased there.
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I find it interesting that Doom Dark Ages is up on the World of Warcraft launcher for sale. I still play WoW casually, so it seems the new Doom can be bought and played from the Blizzard launcher?
 
Zorachus said:
I find it interesting that Doom Dark Ages is up on the World of Warcraft launcher for sale. I still play WoW casually, so it seems the new Doom can be bought and played from the Blizzard launcher?
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Battle.net. It is something they started with Avowed.
 
Got through five missions yesterday and it's just getting better and better.

It does feel a bit.... excessive on all the things you have or can do... Shield, shield throw, melee, different attacks, etc.... and it felt a little overwhelming where I was just button mashing and praying to the gods that I'd make it out... Generally I do.

Playing on Nightmare because I'm not a pansy.

I'm getting roughly 90 frames with FSR balanced and everything on high. Once I drop to FSR quality, I'm getting 60 to 70. And then it just dips well below with anything more taxing. Beautiful game, but damn is it expensive to run.




the first dragon mission was pretty damn epic
 
Eshelmen said:
It does feel a bit.... excessive on all the things you have or can do... Shield, shield throw, melee, different attacks, etc.
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Yeah so far the only downside for me personally is just trying to remember all the mechanics in the heat of a fight. Still having fun though.
 
For someone like myself who struggles with shooters, having the option to turn down the speed is just terrific.

I love this game. Sleeper hit for me, since I had no intention to play this.
 
Blade-Runner said:
Clair Obscur, Forza Horizon 5, and Oblivion Remastered among others, all prove this claim is nonsense.
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All 3 games that will take more than a month to finish for most individuals.
Also this game is now coming with nvidia graphics card - that always puts a dent on steam numbers as well.
 
Blade-Runner said:
Clair Obscur, Forza Horizon 5, and Oblivion Remastered among others, all prove this claim is nonsense.
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Game pass and other platforms means steam numbers are just an indication and can't be used to judge popularity of a game. You have no idea if the player count on steam is 10% or 90% of the player base so it ends up being assumptions and trying to make the numbers fit whatever narrative you want to push. People who just play through the game once and never touch it again are much better off with buying 1-3 months of game pass as the steam version is quite expensive.

I was going to play it on gamepass, but doom games are games I revisit a long time after my initial playthrough so I decided to get it on steam. Other games like Indiana Jones etc. , that I am likely to just play through and never touch again, I just get 1-2 months of game pass and finish it for a fraction of the cost of buying the game.
 
evhvis said:
Game pass and other platforms means steam numbers are just an indication and can't be used to judge popularity of a game.
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That's a self contradictory statement. What is it an indication of? The popularity of the game. It has been proven time and time again that steam numbers don't lie. If something is not popular on steam it won't be performing much better elsewhere.
evhvis said:
You have no idea if the player count on steam is 10% or 90% of the player base so it ends up being assumptions and trying to make the numbers fit whatever narrative you want to push.
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This is just a convenient excuse for those who refuse to accept that a game is unpopular. Show me the games that performed poorly on steam but were blowout successes elsewhere. Or better yet, show me the games that were popular on steam but nowhere else. It never happens because steam IS a good indicator of popularity and player interest in a game.

Of course when we are talking about day and date releases, if a game comes out years later on steam obviously the numbers won't be indicative of the popularity of the game. This is why it is laughable that ubisoft promoted shadows by comparing its steam numbers to odyssey and valhalla when those didn't come to steam until much later.
evhvis said:
People who just play through the game once and never touch it again are much better off with buying 1-3 months of game pass as the steam version is quite expensive.
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Even if we assume lots of people play it on games pass, that doesn't make it a financial success. If anything games pass numbers are actually irrelevant because they don't translate directly to sales. Even if we assume every gp player bought their subscription just to play doom, you still need 5x the players on there to achieve ROI compared to direct sales.
 
M76 said:
That's a self contradictory statement. What is it an indication of? The popularity of the game. It has been proven time and time again that steam numbers don't lie. If something is not popular on steam it won't be performing much better elsewhere.
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You actually need to have the numbers from all the platforms to actually know how popular a game is. Some of you want games you don't like to be viewed as failures so you extrapolate what you want from a small portion of the dataset and spend lots of time trying to convince others that the game they like is a failure. I don't really understand why it is so important for people that some games must be a failure. Sometimes I wonder if some of you enjoy posting negative stuff about games you don't like a lot more than playing games you actually like.
M76 said:
This is just a convenient excuse for those who refuse to accept that a game is unpopular. Show me the games that performed poorly on steam but were blowout successes elsewhere. Or better yet, show me the games that were popular on steam but nowhere else. It never happens because steam IS a good indicator of popularity and player interest in a game.
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I'm telling you that you do not have enough data to conclusively say the game is a failure or a success so the burden of proof is on you to show us that the game is a failure.
M76 said:
Even if we assume lots of people play it on games pass, that doesn't make it a financial success. If anything games pass numbers are actually irrelevant because they don't translate directly to sales. Even if we assume every gp player bought their subscription just to play doom, you still need 5x the players on there to achieve ROI compared to direct sales.
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Their strategy seems to be to grow gamepass, more than outright financial gain on a single game. If people keep gamepass to play other stuff they wouldn't have bought then it will be a success, but if people only get gamepass for 1-2 months and then cancel then it is not ideal for them. Only time will tell if they succeed or not.
 
M76 said:
That's a self contradictory statement. What is it an indication of? The popularity of the game. It has been proven time and time again that steam numbers don't lie. If something is not popular on steam it won't be performing much better elsewhere.

This is just a convenient excuse for those who refuse to accept that a game is unpopular. Show me the games that performed poorly on steam but were blowout successes elsewhere. Or better yet, show me the games that were popular on steam but nowhere else. It never happens because steam IS a good indicator of popularity and player interest in a game.

Of course when we are talking about day and date releases, if a game comes out years later on steam obviously the numbers won't be indicative of the popularity of the game. This is why it is laughable that ubisoft promoted shadows by comparing its steam numbers to odyssey and valhalla when those didn't come to steam until much later.

Even if we assume lots of people play it on games pass, that doesn't make it a financial success. If anything games pass numbers are actually irrelevant because they don't translate directly to sales. Even if we assume every gp player bought their subscription just to play doom, you still need 5x the players on there to achieve ROI compared to direct sales.
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I think it was Forza Motorsport where they said Steam only represented about 17% of total sales, so no, Steam player numbers are not a good consistent data point to use. And as pointed out in other threads so often, Steamdb numbers are player numbers, not sale numbers. Sites that claim to be able to extrapolate sales numbers from the player numbers are full of shit.
 
KickAssCop said:
All 3 games that will take more than a month to finish for most individuals.
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What has that got to do with the fact that peak player counts dwarf Doom TDA. The fact that people play them for longer is irrelevant.

KickAssCop said:
Also this game is now coming with nvidia graphics card - that always puts a dent on steam numbers as well.
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You sure about that....
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Ah, thought it would give a gamepass copy. That point is not relevant though.

Peak player count would be dwarfed if not everyone is playing on steam. <Insert Jackie Chan meme>
 
evhvis said:
Game pass and other platforms means steam numbers are just an indication and can't be used to judge popularity of a game. You have no idea if the player count on steam is 10% or 90% of the player base so it ends up being assumptions and trying to make the numbers fit whatever narrative you want to push. People who just play through the game once and never touch it again are much better off with buying 1-3 months of game pass as the steam version is quite expensive.

I was going to play it on gamepass, but doom games are games I revisit a long time after my initial playthrough so I decided to get it on steam. Other games like Indiana Jones etc. , that I am likely to just play through and never touch again, I just get 1-2 months of game pass and finish it for a fraction of the cost of buying the game.
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Yes Steam data is so unreliable that Ubisoft was lobbying Valve to hide concurrent player data....because you know, they didn't want everyone to know how awesomely popular their games are and the bajillions of dollars they are making. 🤣
 
KickAssCop said:
Bro no one knows the actual numbers. Stop creating stuff out of thin air.
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I know that Clair Obscur and Doom were both available at release on GamePass, and the former is curb stomping the latter by a factor of 5. That much is obvious, and so is the inference that GamePass is a lazy excuse for poor Steam numbers.
 
80 euro, 90 Canadian, $70 USD for a short FPS campaign game, is a good amount of money....
 
Armenius said:
They're just refugees with families like in the newest Devil May Cry series.

You didn't provide anything that shows it being woke in your post, so nothing to refute.
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Shadows went broke from woke and launched at twice the player count compared to Doom on Steam

Ergo, we can extrapolate using science that Doom is also plagued by woke, perhaps to an even more debilitating degree

It's a perfectly logical correlation

Gamers want Stellar Blade and this is what they gave us

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socK said:
Shadows went broke from woke and launched at twice the player count compared to Doom on Steam

Ergo, we can extrapolate using science that Doom is also plagued by woke, perhaps to an even more debilitating degree

It's a perfectly logical correlation

Gamers want Stellar Blade and this is what they gave us

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Man I am laughing so hard right now…
 
KickAssCop said:
Ah, thought it would give a gamepass copy. That point is not relevant though.

Peak player count would be dwarfed if not everyone is playing on steam. <Insert Jackie Chan meme>
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While Steam concurrent player counts do not give us the full picture of a game's success or failure, we've been down this road enough to know that popular games have good numbers on Steam regardless of being on Gamepass or Ubisoft Plus or whatever. That said, I'm sure the numbers are negatively impacted by subscription services.
KickAssCop said:
Bro no one knows the actual numbers. Stop creating stuff out of thin air.
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No, we don't but again we've seen popular games on Steam that are also on Game Pass or other services and the Steam numbers are extremely low.
Blade-Runner said:
I know that Clair Obscur and Doom were both available at release on GamePass, and the former is curb stomping the latter by a factor of 5. That much is obvious, and so is the inference that GamePass is a lazy excuse for poor Steam numbers.
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Exactly.
Hershy said:
Who even cares… the number of people playing a game on Steam isn’t representative of its quality. Work that out for yourself.
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Holy shit we actually agree on something. Steam numbers only tell us how many people are playing a given game on a the Steam service. We can make certain educated guesses as to a game's popularity in general from that but that's all we can do. For whatever reason, Doom The Dark Ages isn't doing as well as it probably should.
Furious_Styles said:
Truth is doom DA is a bunch of woke trash and the steam numbers clearly show it's failing. Hopefully id gets the message here and changes course.
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I was set to agree with you as I thought you were talking about Dragon Age Veilguard. If you mean Doom The Dark Ages, I have no idea where you are getting that from. Granted I'm only about 5 or 6 hours in, but I've heard no woke dialog or seen anything of the sort. Games can sell badly and perform badly on Steam for reasons other than being woke trash.
pendragon1 said:
lol thats the first i heard that claim...
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Same here.
socK said:
Do you refute it? The numbers don't lie
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Again, the poor Steam numbers can be a result of other factors. A game being woke isn't the only reason for poor sales or poor performance on Steam.
vegeta535 said:
Do you people always have to go full retard.
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