Diablo 3 Discussion Thread

WarriorX said:
So weapons without elemental damage are better? When a weapon has +element is that calculated into the DPS on the weapon?
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Correct, if you plan on using these stats.

Here's the quote from a blue post at blizz forums:

blizz blue post said:
The "+x% Elemental Damage" affix works by adding "x%" of your physical damage to your attack, in the form of the damage type listed.

So, really basic example:
Your physical damage is 100, and the item adds +3% Fire damage.
You gain 3 extra damage to your attacks as Fire damage.


Things this takes into account:
Rings, mojos, orbs (etc) that have an "X-Y" damage affix (e.g. "1-2 Damage")
The base damage range of your weapon, before any elemental damage is added from the affix
+Min or +Max affixes on weapons

(Note: It doesn't benefit from "+X-Y Elemental Damage" affixes on weapons.)

We realize the current wording for this affix can be confusing, and it's something we'd like to make more clear in the future. If you have any suggestions for how this affix could be better worded, we're definitely interested in your suggestions. Just keep in mind that space is limited in item tooltips, and that whatever we use would need to be translated into all of our supported languages.
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So it seems that it IS working as intended, just the wording is off... so the investment into these types of items should be sound!
 
I wouldn't put too much mental resources into this. Blizzard should change it. So Blizzard probably will change it. They need to either add it to other types of damage or remove it from Physical damage.

I never even noticed it but I have white damage and 8% from da boots.......Just happened to work out for me without me meaning to do so.

The question I have is. Does this 8% get correctly calculated into DPS? Meaning if you have a white damage and say Fire damage weapon both with 900 DPS and you add 8% more will it show the White damage at like 990 and the fire at like 940?

I ask this question because when I pop my Trumitive on it drops my DPS so much its hard to think that it adds in it correctly.
 
stevedave said:
I wouldn't put too much mental resources into this. Blizzard should change it. So Blizzard probably will change it. They need to either add it to other types of damage or remove it from Physical damage.

I never even noticed it but I have white damage and 8% from da boots.......Just happened to work out for me without me meaning to do so.

The question I have is. Does this 8% get correctly calculated into DPS? Meaning if you have a white damage and say Fire damage weapon both with 900 DPS and you add 8% more will it show the White damage at like 990 and the fire at like 940?

I ask this question because when I pop my Trumitive on it drops my DPS so much its hard to think that it adds in it correctly.
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I don't see any reason why it's not working as intended. What are all the other stats if the two sources you're comparing?
 
Breath_of_the_Dying said:
I don't see any reason why it's not working as intended. What are all the other stats if the two sources you're comparing?
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O they are significantly different. Too much to compare. Trumitive and Chatado's force. I could almost compare them except for the fact the Force adds attack speed.

I'll have to test it by finding a 900 dps white weapon and a 900 dps none white weapon and see if the overall DPS is different.
 
stevedave said:
O they are significantly different. Too much to compare. Trumitive and Chatado's force. I could almost compare them except for the fact the Force adds attack speed.

I'll have to test it by finding a 900 dps white weapon and a 900 dps none white weapon and see if the overall DPS is different.
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or two cheaper 500 dps ones ^_^
 
Got it, thanks for the clarification. By "white" you don't mean an actual normal white item, you're just classifying the damage type.
 
It would appear that the term used is actually "Black" Damage

(I'm just here to add to the confusion :) )
 
Suprfire said:
It would appear that the term used is actually "Black" Damage

(I'm just here to add to the confusion :) )
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Correct. This is the term I always hear because on every weapon that has some kind of elemental damage, there is a graphic behind the big dps numbers, like fire, lightning, arcane.....etc. So when people say "get a black weapon" they mean one without any elemental damage because the area behind the DPS numbers is just a solid black background.

One like this
http://i.imgur.com/pWIvl.png
 
dremic said:
EXPANSION CONFIRMED SUP
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I don't believe it. More info?! sources?

You pulling my leg, eh?

EDIT: Oh shit. You were not lying. http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/07/diablo-iii-expansion-confirmed-by-blizzard

I love reading the comments on ign.com. So many butt hurt players bitching that they should add PVP before the expansion when no where did Blizzard say pvp was coming AFTER the expansion. As far as we know, PVP is still on track for an update in the near future.
 
Harkamus said:
I don't believe it. More info?! sources?

You pulling my leg, eh?

EDIT: Oh shit. You were not lying. http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/07/diablo-iii-expansion-confirmed-by-blizzard

I love reading the comments on ign.com. So many butt hurt players bitching that they should add PVP before the expansion when no where did Blizzard say pvp was coming AFTER the expansion. As far as we know, PVP is still on track for an update in the near future.
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hahah i love your post dude. my bad i shouldve posted a source :p


awesome news though. 3 new classes or i will kill people
 
dremic said:
hahah i love your post dude. my bad i shouldve posted a source :p


awesome news though. 3 new classes or i will kill people
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Let the speculation begin.

My theory is that they will at least bring the necromancer back. He just fits, and we know Blizzard likes variety. The necro fits the black magic role. Witch docs are voodoo, not quite black magic. I am betting the pali will probably not return since the monk already fits the role of holy warrior. The druid could make a return since that would fit the role of nature magic, although I suppose they could change that up a bit and come up with some shamanistic class. That leaves one or two more character slots. Blizz would have to be really foolish not to include at least two classes in the ex pack.

The necro would fit the caster type. The druid or shaman could by a hybrid melee/caster I suppose. That leaves at least one pure ranged class left.
 
soulesschild said:
Bring back the Amazon!
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How would they do that differently though? The DH already has some of the meat and potato skills that defined the 'zon. Guided Arrow - Hungering Arrow. Multishot - Multishot. I miss 'zon Strafe though. DH's Strafe is fun, but very costly in gear to make viable.
 
Harkamus said:
How would they do that differently though? The DH already has some of the meat and potato skills that defined the 'zon. Guided Arrow - Hungering Arrow. Multishot - Multishot. I miss 'zon Strafe though. DH's Strafe is fun, but very costly in gear to make viable.
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Lightning javelin (can't remember the skill name now) was the shit. So were jabazon's :D
 
soulesschild said:
Lightning javelin (can't remember the skill name now) was the shit. So were jabazon's :D
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Totally forgot about Jabazons. I suppose they could make that the new ranged class. Have the d3 zon's class specific weapon be a spear.
 
I don't know, despite the differences between the WD and the D2 necromancer, they're still pretty similar. Really, I have a hard time seeing what they would bring back in, as the current classes really incorporate most of D2s. The druid in LoD however would be cool to bring back; there is no shapeshifter abilities currently in the game.

Some type of paladin type class isn't really in the game right now. Yes there is the monk, but he's not the standard armored warrior you'd usually see in this type of game. Maybe a knight, or something along those lines?
 
Also, I really, really, realllllly hope the xpac brings back some of the "darkness" of the hell levels of D1. I doubt it, given the overall art direction of the game so far, but bring back some real demons and "scary" environments.
 
I wonder if the expansion will bump the level cap up 10 levels and make all the current content obsolete. LOL, fuck you blizzard.
 
CryingGod said:
I wonder if the expansion will bump the level cap up 10 levels and make all the current content obsolete. LOL, fuck you blizzard.
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how do you figure... all they would have to do is add another difficulty and all zones would be equal like in inferno -_-
 
I think the new classes will be either a shield/aura based fighter (Paladin) and and transformation/summoning class (Druid) ... if they were to add another ranged class like the demon hunter they might combine the Amazon and Assassin but I think the DH already has the ranged fighter covered.
 
dremic said:
how do you figure... all they would have to do is add another difficulty and all zones would be equal like in inferno -_-
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Yeah but gear would be f***ed. With the D3 economy I just don't see how they could blow it all up without pissing off almost everyone. Although it would make them more money in the RMAH I guess. Hmm.

I can't remember, they didn't give new skills to existing classes in the LoD xpac, right?
 
TwistedAegis said:
Yeah but gear would be f***ed. With the D3 economy I just don't see how they could blow it all up without pissing off almost everyone. Although it would make them more money in the RMAH I guess. Hmm.

I can't remember, they didn't give new skills to existing classes in the LoD xpac, right?
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no they didnt, but this is a different company entirely :p
 
TwistedAegis said:
Yeah but gear would be f***ed. With the D3 economy I just don't see how they could blow it all up without pissing off almost everyone. Although it would make them more money in the RMAH I guess. Hmm.

I can't remember, they didn't give new skills to existing classes in the LoD xpac, right?
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There were no new skills in LoD, they only added 2 new classes, and a plethora of new items. They didn't have a level cap either, well, they did, but it was pretty much impossible to hit for the first few patches.
 
It'd be nice if the trinkets you kept in your bags came back, and/or the magical/rare items you could place into sockets.
 
TwistedAegis said:
It'd be nice if the trinkets you kept in your bags came back, and/or the magical/rare items you could place into sockets.
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IMO, those things have to make an appearance. I'd not suggest they copy the design document straight from LoD, but they should definitely take inspiration from what LoD did to itemization and gear customization.
 
I have no idea how they can implement an expansion.

Inferno gear dps ranges from 30k to 700k. Where do you set the standard for what is the new stuff? I guess monster power helps from needing to normalize everything, but thats going to be some ugly numbers to crunch.

Sold that DML i posted a few pages back for 30mil, finally got into the 8 figures again of stored gold. Now if only i could sell that IK helmet, I could nab a good skorn with LS, and never have to worry about DR again!
 
I feel poor right now with my 15 mill. Then again the most I've had at one point was just shy of 100 mill which is also prob not a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. Quick estimate on my monk is about 260 million in gear just in 1.0.5 alone. Launch to 1.0.3 was roughly 60 million, but those upgrades became worthless once Blizz revamped itemization. I didn't play much in 1.0.4.

I suppose finding a crappy Inna's chest piece that sold for 3.625 million after AH cuts is okay. Could be worse.

Funny little story earlier today. Friend of mine found a Stormshield. He was all excited. About as excited as I was when I first found one in 1.0.5. I thought I hit the jackpot when I found it. Then I checked the AH and saw them selling for under 50k buyout. I just laughed when my friend exclaimed his excitement. Told him he found a sub 50k shield. haha. Consequently one of the three Stormshields I found is on my templar. The other two got salvaged.
 
Harkamus said:
I feel poor right now with my 15 mill. Then again the most I've had at one point was just shy of 100 mill which is also prob not a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. Quick estimate on my monk is about 260 million in gear just in 1.0.5 alone. Launch to 1.0.3 was roughly 60 million, but those upgrades became worthless once Blizz revamped itemization. I didn't play much in 1.0.4.

I suppose finding a crappy Inna's chest piece that sold for 3.625 million after AH cuts is okay. Could be worse.
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Occupy Harkamus! :p ;) I'm sitting at 400k right now, leveling a new monk. 15M is more than I've ever had at one point. :(
 
TwistedAegis said:
Occupy Harkamus! :p ;) I'm sitting at 400k right now, leveling a new monk. 15M is more than I've ever had at one point. :(
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Save yourself the grief. I'm telling you right now, there is no class more expensive to gear out than a monk. My gear isn't even that "great" but even to get where I am costs $$$$$.

B.net isn't updated with my paragon level, but the gear is still the same that I use right now at 45.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/harkamus-1584/hero/2619523

What's missing is a bit of vita and more resists, but vita costs a lot and is secondary to resists/armor/dex. Nothing will save you if you have 50k hitpoints but take 4x the damage since you have no mitigation.

I'm at 126k unbuffed/145k self buffed. My DH friend spent <5 million and broke 150k unbuffed. Sure he's squishy, but he's supposed to light stuff up from afar. In that respect he's doing great. Monks are supposed to take a licking and keep on ticking. To dish it and still be able to live is expensive.

OK fine, I exaggerated a bit. If you are on a tight budget, you can spend 3 mill and still clear mp2. It may take a while, but it's possible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Obv47i7GP3M
 
Harkamus said:
. Consequently one of the three Stormshields I found is on my templar. The other two got salvaged.
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I sold the one I had for $90 on the RMAH way back in patch 1.0.1 days. First Legendary I had drop, and when I checked the AH, it had almost perfect stats. Looking back I probably coulda got $250 for it, but I figured nobody is going to pay real money for this stupid ass thing.

30 minutes later someone had bought it.
 
Breath_of_the_Dying said:
I have no idea how they can implement an expansion.

Inferno gear dps ranges from 30k to 700k. Where do you set the standard for what is the new stuff? I guess monster power helps from needing to normalize everything, but thats going to be some ugly numbers to crunch.

Sold that DML i posted a few pages back for 30mil, finally got into the 8 figures again of stored gold. Now if only i could sell that IK helmet, I could nab a good skorn with LS, and never have to worry about DR again!
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Depends if the new expansion has new gear. Also depends on if its going to follow Blizzard's Stat inflation system. 700k dps could be the new 30k dps. :p
 
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