Diablo 3 Discussion Thread

Breath_of_the_Dying said:
I'll try also, but if it's anything like D2's 90+ leveling, Ill give up before then. I don't have the time like I did in the summers when I was in high school.
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I never even reached the 90s with any of my D2 characters lol. I'll give it a good shot though. There are no ladder resets so I won't feel pressured to do it in a timely manner.
 
Yoshiyuki Blade said:
I never even reached the 90s with any of my D2 characters lol. I'll give it a good shot though. There are no ladder resets so I won't feel pressured to do it in a timely manner.
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We can only hope they had the foresight to make it impossible for all but the biggest no life losers amongst us.

Seriously.
 
big_aug said:
They've got a chance to really change the distribution of players with this instead of everyone staying in Act 1/2.
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i really like your suggestion

Yoshiyuki Blade said:
I never even reached the 90s with any of my D2 characters lol. I'll give it a good shot though. There are no ladder resets so I won't feel pressured to do it in a timely manner.
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yeah me either although my max level is probably way lower then yours I never played as heavily as most people
 
big_aug said:
We can only hope they had the foresight to make it impossible for all but the biggest no life losers amongst us.

Seriously.
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:eek:

There are tables regarding the exp ramp up here: http://www.diablofans.com/news/1320-paragon-level-exp-chart/

It's not uber insane, but it'll take some time. If level 1 is equivalent to 59-60, then level 99-100 will take about 44.8 times as long. Factoring in the bonus from NV, it'll cut times down dramatically.
 
They could have gone nuts with this.

They should have let us get to 100 paragon and reset to character lvl 1 with a permanent 300% MF bonus. Then let us do it over and over until we get to eleventybillion MF.

I'm speaking from a purely HC standpoint as it kind of has it's own ladder being that people die.
 
big_aug said:
They've got a chance to really change the distribution of players with this instead of everyone staying in Act 1/2.
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I'm assuming the level grind is going to take a long time. There is no rng with gear drops to progress, it's just killing stuff. With that in mind, if done correctly, the people who actually get to the high levels would have put in so much time that they should also have the gear to clear those final acts anyway, especially considering enemy nerfs, class buffs and item power and item drop rate buffs since launch including 1.0.4

Edit, with exp based progression in a game like diablo 2 and now d3 paragon levels, it's impossible to make max level a testament of skill or even luck. It's a simple numbers game, and if it's not broken, it will only be a testament of time.
 
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Breath_of_the_Dying said:
I'm assuming the level grind is going to take a long time. There is no rng with gear drops to progress, it's just killing stuff. With that in mind, if done correctly, the people who actually get to the high levels would have put in so much time that they should also have the gear to clear those final acts anyway, especially considering enemy nerfs, class buffs and item power and item drop rate buffs since launch including 1.0.4
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They certainly can clear it, but I'm talking about HC mode. HC players don't hang out in Act 4 once they've killed Diablo. This would force you to take risks if you want to get all the way to the top. And no matter how good your gear is, you're only a small lagspike away from going from lvl 99 paragon to lvl 1.
 
I freaking hate that I'm so excited for this patch. I've put in a few hundred hours, and I don't want to get sucked back in...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
Knowing that 1.04 was right around the corner, and I hadn't gotten a single legendary/set item drop in about ~95 hours of gameplay on my wizard, I knew I never should have logged on yesterday. Seeing that I was WELL past due for a legendary/set drop and that one would be coming my way any minute now, what drops for me after 20 minutes without even a full stack of NV? A pair of Natalya's boots. And not even a good role either - the 5th random stat was the STR+VIT combo, with both values being < 50.

I REALLY hope I don't have to go another 100 hours before seeing my next set/legendary drop, because I'll be cursing more than I did yesterday.
 
Mabu said:
Knowing that 1.04 was right around the corner, and I hadn't gotten a single legendary/set item drop in about ~95 hours of gameplay on my wizard, I knew I never should have logged on yesterday. Seeing that I was WELL past due for a legendary/set drop and that one would be coming my way any minute now, what drops for me after 20 minutes without even a full stack of NV? A pair of Natalya's boots. And not even a good role either - the 5th random stat was the STR+VIT combo, with both values being < 50.

I REALLY hope I don't have to go another 100 hours before seeing my next set/legendary drop, because I'll be cursing more than I did yesterday.
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It shouldn't take that long with some diligent farming routines and high enough MF. I've only done a "serious" MF run for about a week (gear swapping ~240% MF every time) and legendary/set items dropped every 5-6 hours. With P-levels, I can have more than that passively. This also means it'll be applied to regular monsters, which I obviously didn't bother gear swapping for. Not to mention the drop quality of normal monsters will be increased 4 fold in 1.0.4.
 
Yoshiyuki Blade said:
:eek:

There are tables regarding the exp ramp up here: http://www.diablofans.com/news/1320-paragon-level-exp-chart/

It's not uber insane, but it'll take some time. If level 1 is equivalent to 59-60, then level 99-100 will take about 44.8 times as long. Factoring in the bonus from NV, it'll cut times down dramatically.
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Question is, are they going to have the automatic, "you gain 90% less xp lvl 90 and above" gimmick d2 had?

I think somewhere in the 10 to 15 hours per level is where I'll stop playing, I wonder where that will fall in graph.
 
big_aug said:
It would be BRILLIANT if they made it so you have to do Act 4 to ever reach max paragon level.

Like I said before, I will be highly disappointed if you can grind out Act 1 Inferno and get lvl 100 paragon. Basically, I want to see HC people dying trying to get it rather than playing it safe in Act 1. It would provide a "legitimate" reason to go to Act 4 after you've beaten Diablo.
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Act 4 is ugly and barely finished. Act 1/2 have the most/best content.

That's to be expected I guess, but I wouldn't want to have to farm Act 4, it's terrible and a "skip" for most run throughs Normal -> Hell when doing alts. It's easily the worst lengthy portion of any Diablo game to date. I'd rather go through the Maggot Lair and Tal Rasha Tombs over and over in D2 than play Act 4 D3 a lot.

I'd rather they not F things up like that and just get to work on adding ubers or something interesting. Act 4 is a lost cause.
 
Breath_of_the_Dying said:
Question is, are they going to have the automatic, "you gain 90% less xp lvl 90 and above" gimmick d2 had?

I think somewhere in the 10 to 15 hours per level is where I'll stop playing, I wonder where that will fall in graph.
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Not sure, I never made it that far haha. I honestly can't gauge how long the grind actually will be just based on the numbers. I got to level 60 very early in the game when it first came out (I think I was somewhere in Act 2 or 3 Hell at the time). So the 59-60 level = 1 P-level is a pretty short measuring stick. ~45x for the final level sounds very long yet not very long. Hard to say.
 
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LeninGHOLA said:
He isn't going to win any customers with those antics.
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99% of all D3 buyers don't even know the name of the person and what his title is. 99% of the remaining 1% don't care what he says about whom.

Just because some guy somewhere told some other guy to fuck off doesn't mean the world as we know it is coming to an end.

Must be a slow day in the gaming world that we latch on to a "fuck off" comment like that and keep going on and on about it.
 
chockomonkey said:
and it'll never change because it's awfulness goes hand-in-hand with the awful end of their awful story.
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To be fair, the story itself wasn't THAT bad. A bit predictable, yes, but it was decent enough. What utterly killed it was that it was presented terribly with some of the most abysmal dialogue/text that I've ever seen. It was like the script was written by/for a bunch of 8-year-olds.
 
Mabu said:
To be fair, the story itself wasn't THAT bad. A bit predictable, yes, but it was decent enough. What utterly killed it was that it was presented terribly with some of the most abysmal dialogue/text that I've ever seen. It was like the script was written by/for a bunch of 8-year-olds.
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Awful presentation is right. It seriously felt like the whole time i was watching scripted wow quests.
 
Yoshiyuki Blade said:
Not sure, I never made it that far haha. I honestly can't gauge how long the grind actually will be just based on the numbers. I got to level 60 very early in the game when it fist came out (I think I was somewhere in Act 2 or 3 Hell at the time). So the 59-60 level = 1 P-level is a pretty short measuring stick. ~45x for the final level sounds very long yet not very long. Hard to say.
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According to that link the two monsters yield 1200 and 1600 exp respectively. Assuming 100% exp with NV and a ruby in the helmet. That's 2400-3000 exp per kill. With a baseline of 1 kill/second (just throwing this out there, it's hard to know my kill speed in inferno for exp cause I slow down farming and gear swapping) that's 9.3 to 10.8 million an hour. So maybe 33 hours to get from 99 to 100 and nearly 1000 hours total?

I made a lot of assumptions so Im probably off base but it's a start to put it in perspective. Kill twice as slow as I assumed? 2k hours. Double exp from inferno mobs as expected? 500 hours.
 
Thuleman said:
99% of all D3 buyers don't even know the name of the person and what his title is. 99% of the remaining 1% don't care what he says about whom.

Just because some guy somewhere told some other guy to fuck off doesn't mean the world as we know it is coming to an end.

Must be a slow day in the gaming world that we latch on to a "fuck off" comment like that and keep going on and on about it.
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Who said the world is coming to an end? All I said was the guy is an arrogant fatfuck with no respect or credibility.
 
Mabu said:
To be fair, the story itself wasn't THAT bad. A bit predictable, yes, but it was decent enough. What utterly killed it was that it was presented terribly with some of the most abysmal dialogue/text that I've ever seen. It was like the script was written by/for a bunch of 8-year-olds.
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The story itself was pretty bad, too...
 
Peet Cooper (senior environment artist for D3) chimes in on the drama:

He doesn't say anything bad. 'Different people' would have made the game 'differently'. No shit. Why is this being viewed as so negative?

I agree with you both. But he never said we made a bad game. Just a different one than what he would have made. I worked on the game for 5 years and I would not be offended (or surprised) if one of the original D1 or D2 artists said we did not 'understand' the artistic direction of the franchise. We made drastic changes to many aspects of the game, so its inevitable that some will love it and other will hate it. This happens every time a new team works on an old franchise.
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LeninGHOLA said:
Who said the world is coming to an end? All I said was the guy is an arrogant fatfuck with no respect or credibility.
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I exaggerated for dramatic effect, but even respect and/or credibility do not matter because most all consumers simply don't care what devs say about each other. Even most people in this thread don't care and this group of people right here are the better informed.
 
I wonder how much better this game would be accepted if they had released it the state it will be in with 1.0.4.

Then again, they needed a lot of community feedback to make it possible... perhaps Blizzard will be a little more open with their betas in the future.
 
AceCR42 said:
I wonder how much better this game would be accepted if they had released it the state it will be in with 1.0.4.

Then again, they needed a lot of community feedback to make it possible... perhaps Blizzard will be a little more open with their betas in the future.
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imagine how angry people would be if they had to wait until august to buy diablo 3?


everybody is complaining but im sure all of them were complaining everytime they said "soon"
 
dremic said:
imagine how angry people would be if they had to wait until august to buy diablo 3?


everybody is complaining but im sure all of them were complaining everytime they said "soon"
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It's the Internet, people like to rage and shit on everything they can. No one can make everyone happy.
 
Just installed D3 again...and yeah I'm waiting for the patch. Atrocious drops again. Either good stats with shit DPS or good DPS with shit stats, you can't win :/
 
Thuleman said:
I exaggerated for dramatic effect, but even respect and/or credibility do not matter because most all consumers simply don't care what devs say about each other. Even most people in this thread don't care and this group of people right here are the better informed.
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Actually, this behaviour rarely happens in the gaming media. There is a massive internet uproar right now.

People do care about respect and credibility.
 
I personally think 1.0.4 is a huge step forward. Between the new legendaries and this Paragon system it's going to be much more fun. The Paragon idea was actually borrowed directly from Kripp. He mentioned it at 10:45 of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdwQ5aXOStQ

The idea offers lots of potential for future improvements as well. They could release new items with Paragon level requirements for example.
 
big_aug said:
I freaking hate that I'm so excited for this patch. I've put in a few hundred hours, and I don't want to get sucked back in...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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I was thinking the same thing, I finally kicked my habit 2 weeks ago and felt like I wasted my time. I am pretty excited for this patch and I can see myself getting pulled back in :eek:
 
Guess i won't be buying a new video card now. I look forward to the next Nvidia series.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
Actually, this behaviour rarely happens in the gaming media. There is a massive internet uproar right now.

People do care about respect and credibility.
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We all knew Jay Wilson was a classless, unprincipled douche. He couldn't help proving it just one more time though.
 
xIronCrossx said:
Just installed D3 again...and yeah I'm waiting for the patch. Atrocious drops again. Either good stats with shit DPS or good DPS with shit stats, you can't win :/
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Hahaha why would you seriously farm now with 1.0.4 (hopefully) half a day away?
 
Mabu said:
Knowing that 1.04 was right around the corner, and I hadn't gotten a single legendary/set item drop in about ~95 hours of gameplay on my wizard, I knew I never should have logged on yesterday. Seeing that I was WELL past due for a legendary/set drop and that one would be coming my way any minute now, what drops for me after 20 minutes without even a full stack of NV? A pair of Natalya's boots. And not even a good role either - the 5th random stat was the STR+VIT combo, with both values being < 50.

I REALLY hope I don't have to go another 100 hours before seeing my next set/legendary drop, because I'll be cursing more than I did yesterday.
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I hope you know that past drops have no bearing on future drops. It's all probability- the chances of you getting a legendary drop are the exactly same always no matter if it's been 100 hours or 100 seconds since your last legendary drop. There's no magic timer* that gives you a legendary every x hours or whatever.

*well, at least none that have been proven. I'm sure there's some conspiracy theory out there that claims this but all logical conclusions point to that drops are assigned on a purely statistical basis.
 
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