Diablo 3 Discussion Thread

cageymaru said:
The part where Inferno is fun to run because your skill in playing determines if you're going to die; not if 5 elites immune to snares or damage come rushing you and you get one shotted. I've seen my buddy play Inferno enough to know that it's not fun; more like infuriating. It's a test of wills only because it tests your desire to hit respawn or not.
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So game balance on the hardest level is what kills it for you? You are aware they can tweak that right? Better too hard than too easy. Honestly, I just think with some tweaks and some better gear inferno would be just about perfect. Honestly, I think the majority of you guys forgot what vanilla D2 was like in the beginning.
 
Oh man the charge that Izual does one-shots my wiz pretty badly on inferno lol. I can't even get to the point where he does the unavoidable freeze attack.
 
piXel said:
They abused broken mechanics, hence why they were able to beat the game so fast.
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Ya I guess, but just so you know, theres an easy exploit to go from act1 to act4 in any difficulty fairly easily. So if they had the gear and bought off AH, they could go straight to diablo, fyi. So they most likely beat it by just bypassing everything. I could do the same thing if I wanted to, Blizzard hasnt fixed it yet. Less skill, more exploit.
 
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Ok, can anyone tell me how to beat elite mobs in ACT2 with my poor monk? Seriously, wtf? I just spent a million boosting my templar and still cannot get the shit done. I've been farming for days in ACT1 and basically getting most of the items under 300 dps and only a few others. So do I need a 50 mln weapon to face these mobs?
 
hmz said:
Ok, can anyone tell me how to beat elite mobs in ACT2 with my poor monk? Seriously, wtf? I just spent a million boosting my templar and still cannot get the shit done. I've been farming for days in ACT1 and basically getting most of the items under 300 dps and only a few others. So do I need a 50 mln weapon to face these mobs?
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Difficulty would be?.......

The answer either way is, AH. This game is pay to win if you didnt know. If youre on inferno, melee cant do it.
 
Climber said:
So game balance on the hardest level is what kills it for you? You are aware they can tweak that right? Better too hard than too easy. Honestly, I just think with some tweaks and some better gear inferno would be just about perfect. Honestly, I think the majority of you guys forgot what vanilla D2 was like in the beginning.
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Which leads back to how they want us to gear up. I find it perplexing that they are so intent on the RMAH being a DLC type success that they made a system of rewarding you for killing bosses with other classes gear.

That would be the same as playing BF3 as an engineer and unlocking a scope for a sniper that you can't use until you hit the same level in sniper as your engineer. But you can trade this scope to another player if you give DICE a cut of the gold or real money.

See how stupid that sounds to you?

That's how Diablo III sounds to those of us not sold on the AH and RMAH system of getting gear. I could see if only one piece per Act dropped that was usable by your character. Heck it doesn't even have to be better than what I have; just around the same level as my character. Just one item would be incentive to go on.

Just playing to make10 million gold to stare at the AH or RMAH screen puts me to sleep and kills any immersion that I had going. I like to look at the AH before I login and that's it in games. I'll post my stuff later on that evening or the next day.

Here's an idea that maybe you'll can toss to Blizzard. Have each person that posts something in the AH and is online be subject to a duel where the winner gets the item. If it's Hardcore you even lose your character. Now that would make the AH pretty exciting! Hardcore and let me loot the guy and get the items I always wanted. Now that's a game!

Staring at a spreadsheet is boring as fuck to me. Maybe you'll are made of tougher things than me. I want to cut the game off every time it's "search for items and pray the one I want doesn't get away" mode. AH is like playing Whack A Mole with the items that you want disappearing.

Well I uninstalled that game but not going to ask for a refund at this time. Just in case someone wants to play some multiplayer I'll keep it around as the most fun in game for me is watching my teammates die and figuring out how to kite the mobs away long enough to rez them. Yes this is my only motivation to play. And yes that is pretty sad. But damn it's fun with 4 immune elites barreling down on ya and you save the day.
 
im waiting to use real money for the AH, i dont have time to continuously grind away
 
cageymaru said:
See how stupid that sounds to you?
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It sounds stupid because you're trying to compare BF3 to Diablo 3. You can draw out the analogy to any loot based RPG game and call it "stupid" by extension. Diablo 2 was all about trading that sniper scope to another player if you didn't realize. If you wanted FPS unlock progression, I have no idea why you bought a Diablo game.

The answer either way is, AH. This game is pay to win if you didnt know. If youre on inferno, melee cant do it.
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No one's paid anything to win yet except maybe some shady gold seller sites that are horribly overpriced ($30 for a mill?). And melee have solo'd all of Inferno already. Diablo himself is actually easier as melee than ranged.
 
Intel_Hydralisk said:
No one's paid anything to win yet except maybe some shady gold seller sites that are horribly overpriced ($30 for a mill?). And melee have solo'd all of Inferno already. Diablo himself is actually easier as melee than ranged.
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Pay to win means, pay gold at AH to get gear. Thats called pay to win. :) Wouldnt you agree? It certainly isnt item finding, farming like D2 was, for the most part, apart from d2jsp(which is also a great site). D3 is, "dang I am really weak and underpowered, guess I need to make a few mouse clicks to AH and become powerful again, yay".

Regarding the melee, well ok, what like the handful of melee players with the best gear in the world? :)
 
Viper16 said:
my favorite, is when they say their character is too nerfed or the game is broken when they cannot beat HELL or INFERNO the first go around. Kids these days expect to play the game through easy mode and win all up front without a little work/skill.
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You get people on the blizz forums crying about Butcher being too hard on inferno and it needing nerfing. What do you expect though kids these days with games like CoD everything is handed to them on a plate.
 
Intel_Hydralisk said:
It sounds stupid because you're trying to compare BF3 to Diablo 3. You can draw out the analogy to any loot based RPG game and call it "stupid" by extension. Diablo 2 was all about trading that sniper scope to another player if you didn't realize. If you wanted FPS unlock progression, I have no idea why you bought a Diablo game.


No one's paid anything to win yet except maybe some shady gold seller sites that are horribly overpriced ($30 for a mill?). And melee have solo'd all of Inferno already. Diablo himself is actually easier as melee than ranged.
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Well I bet that something that you could use or was within 10 levels of you dropped in Diablo 2 on occasion. RNG in this game has sent me to the AH for everything since the beginning of Normal except for some run speed boots with resists that had 1/4 the dps of my other boots. Those were only 6 levels lower than me at the time I got them.

Everything else is 10 levels lower or for another class. What is my incentive for playing? So I can spreadsheet on the AH? Plain dumb if you ask me. You can't tell me that it makes you feel good to never get an item for your character. Ever. I really mean 0 upgrades and I can kite and kill anything. For some gold and trash to trade to someone else because that is fun? I mean seriously never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever get an item for my class?

Come on man. Feed me some other bullshit than that. I'm smarter than that and I didn't need to go to software design 101 to know that reward system might need some revisions. And if I hear it's ok because it's RNG then RNG has been a bitch for 59 1/2 levels.

Just showing the example of my play experience. Maybe Jesus shone light upon your character and you got some loot that wasn't 10 levels below you. He must really hate me though. I want a blessing too!
 
I dont think its a secret anymore that their item mod and design system is severely lacking and probably implemented last near the end of the game. It feels like it was done by amateurs to some degree. I could have done a better job myself and im being serious.

The only thing I can hope for is that they are able to do some critical analysis of their game, get some feedback and make some good changes to their items/mod system fairly quickly.

The first day I got this game, I found myself asking where all the unique items with special abilities, attributes, sets, runewords, etc etc went to. Its like, they had this great template from D2 on item design, then decided to discard it and start over. I just hope they can fix it.

I am already starting to get bored of this game and its only been out like 3 weeks. I played D2 on and off for over 6 years.
 
cageymaru said:
Well I bet that something that you could use or was within 10 levels of you dropped in Diablo 2 on occasion. RNG in this game has sent me to the AH for everything since the beginning of Normal except for some run speed boots with resists that had 1/4 the dps of my other boots. Those were only 6 levels lower than me at the time I got them.

Everything else is 10 levels lower or for another class. What is my incentive for playing? So I can spreadsheet on the AH? Plain dumb if you ask me. You can't tell me that it makes you feel good to never get an item for your character. Ever. I really mean 0 upgrades and I can kite and kill anything. For some gold and trash to trade to someone else because that is fun? I mean seriously never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever get an item for my class?

Come on man. Feed me some other bullshit than that. I'm smarter than that and I didn't need to go to software design 101 to know that reward system might need some revisions. And if I hear it's ok because it's RNG then RNG has been a bitch for 59 1/2 levels.

Just showing the example of my play experience. Maybe Jesus shone light upon your character and you got some loot that wasn't 10 levels below you. He must really hate me though. I want a blessing too!
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Well the loot on the AH comes from somewhere. Most likely Act 3/4. So the problem is the loot in Act 1, and Act 2 is not good enough for players in those acts. Act 1 is more forgiving but Act 2 has been nothing but crap for me.

The loot designers should have atleast had lunch with the WoW loot designers so we could have atleast had some cool stuff. :p
 
I think I could beat Inferno with a barb. That's about it. Or some other melee class. The whole kiting DH thing is really pissing me off. I moved onto another game until I can farm another gold. Check back with you guys in a month.
 
Retsam said:
I dont think its a secret anymore that their item mod and design system is severely lacking and probably implemented last near the end of the game. It feels like it was done by amateurs to some degree. I could have done a better job myself and im being serious.

The only thing I can hope for is that they are able to do some critical analysis of their game, get some feedback and make some good changes to their items/mod system fairly quickly.

The first day I got this game, I found myself asking where all the unique items with special abilities, attributes, sets, runewords, etc etc went to. Its like, they had this great template from D2 on item design, then decided to discard it and start over. I just hope they can fix it.

I am already starting to get bored of this game and its only been out like 3 weeks. I played D2 on and off for over 6 years.
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Maybe my character is bugged and the game thinks I'm level 40 - 44 for rares. Everything that drops and is level 50ish is blue and has like 100 str and a gem slot. I gave up on the game anyways. I do find it amusing that people can justify me playing 59 1/2 levels and getting 0 upgrades after Skeleton King Normal. Then tell me D2 was just like that in that you couldn't get gear that was within 10 levels of your character that was decent.

I consider this topic to be more of a discussion of the philosophy of good game design versus bad game design. WoW always had the golden carrot that you always wanted to get. D3 has the gold flecks that you need 10 million to 30million of to purchase the golden carrot.
 
O-M-G! My nephew just bought Diablo 3. And he called me to play with him. :eek:

I need a stiff drink. I have to play with him because he is family. I'm going to cut myself.

Why lord? Why me?
 
He's ex military so his has that thing where he misses his squad and camaraderie from Afghanistan. So he hangs out with me a ton which is cool as he's really nice to be around. So he would play Betty Crocker if I asked him to and likewise for me too. I mean he bought the exact same computer components as me even though I told him to go Intel just because I have it.

But he bought the devil home tonight. Literally. :(

Ha ha he just called and asked if my install was playable yet.
 
Retsam said:
Regarding the melee, well ok, what like the handful of melee players with the best gear in the world? :)
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I'm actually curious how people who will pay for their gear will feel when they still get rolfstomped in Inferno. I don't think anyone will be feeling good in Inferno simply by outgearing it for a while. :eek:
 
How many 5-stack runs are you guys doing before you come to this conclusion? 5? 10? I've found upgrades in hell act 4 diablo that I still use in my defensive set farming act 3. Checkpoint farming elites may be an okay way to get some quick cash, but it will not get you any good upgrades. It's gotta be 5 stack boss farming, and swapping as much MF as you can for the kill. I net +295%MF on siegebreak after 5-stack, and I've gotten a 3-4 rares every time on top of 4+ blues. A lot of time its crap, but I'm slowly decking out my gear, and making significant money with quick AH sells.

AH speeds up the process to get there, but you dont need 10-30 million worth of AH purchases to get items to get to act 3 to farm it yourself. I'm sad that the gear requirement for inferno is pretty high and that endgame is a testament to time more than skill, but if you say you HAVE TO farm for 30Million just to get through inferno Act 3 to farm it yourself, I question if you have the skill to get through inferno regardless of gear.

I'm seeing people post their stats and have no idea how resists vs armor works, or dont understand how to boost their DPS beyond buying an expensive weapon, or stick to some build they saw online and think its the only way to succeed, and yet they say inferno is impossible?


This isnt much different from how D2 was, it was not a straight shot linear progression. There was heavy farming to get through hell, especially after the synergy patch where they brought hell to a whole new tier of difficulty. I remember hell meph and hell baal dropping normal tier uniques too. I remember farming baal for days on my bowazon finding nothing. In all the time I played D2 and did countess runs, I never saw a zod drop ever, and had to trade for it. I remember parking packs that had every immunity that I had good skills for, and were unkillable by my character.
 
Everytime I play diablo 3 I can't stay on it for long, feel like heres no appeal for this game as you get to end game and want to go higher its technically the same crap again and again
 
I hit level 59 this evening and just goofing off with some friends for a few hours and I hit level 60.
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Breath_of_the_Dying said:
How many 5-stack runs are you guys doing before you come to this conclusion? 5? 10? I've found upgrades in hell act 4 diablo that I still use in my defensive set farming act 3. Checkpoint farming elites may be an okay way to get some quick cash, but it will not get you any good upgrades. It's gotta be 5 stack boss farming, and swapping as much MF as you can for the kill. I net +295%MF on siegebreak after 5-stack, and I've gotten a 3-4 rares every time on top of 4+ blues. A lot of time its crap, but I'm slowly decking out my gear, and making significant money with quick AH sells.

AH speeds up the process to get there, but you dont need 10-30 million worth of AH purchases to get items to get to act 3 to farm it yourself. I'm sad that the gear requirement for inferno is pretty high and that endgame is a testament to time more than skill, but if you say you HAVE TO farm for 30Million just to get through inferno Act 3 to farm it yourself, I question if you have the skill to get through inferno regardless of gear.

I'm seeing people post their stats and have no idea how resists vs armor works, or dont understand how to boost their DPS beyond buying an expensive weapon, or stick to some build they saw online and think its the only way to succeed, and yet they say inferno is impossible?


This isnt much different from how D2 was, it was not a straight shot linear progression. There was heavy farming to get through hell, especially after the synergy patch where they brought hell to a whole new tier of difficulty. I remember hell meph and hell baal dropping normal tier uniques too. I remember farming baal for days on my bowazon finding nothing. In all the time I played D2 and did countess runs, I never saw a zod drop ever, and had to trade for it. I remember parking packs that had every immunity that I had good skills for, and were unkillable by my character.
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I honestly think my account is bugged as Hell Act III up to Cadea boss drops level 40 - 44 rares for every other class than me. If what you're saying is true that you're able to find gear in the game and I haven't seen an item since Skeleton King Normal then my account is screwed up. Now the blues in Hell III are level 50 but who wants to wear 20 dexterity and 100 strength gear for a Demon Hunter?

I got to level 59 1/2 before I "quit". Nephew bought the game tonight so I guess I will reroll a wizard as I have rares for all the other classes all the way to 55. All my other character slots are mules and I actually disenchanted all of them one day and have since refilled them again. Everything was a rare.
 
There's some folks in Act 3 Inferno in Hardcore mode now.

I really hope they don't nerf or change anything about Inferno. If it can be done in HC, there is definitely nothing wrong with it.
 
I love a challenging game as well, but I hope that it wouldn't require me to spend additional money on items or golds just to make it through Inferno

For me, that's my biggest concern at the moment, especially once RMAH goes online. For golds, at least we could still farm them our self. But if all the godly equipment that are required for Inferno goes to RMAH, then that could be a problem because its either you spend real money, or Inferno remains out of reach.
 
cageymaru said:
I honestly think my account is bugged as Hell Act III up to Cadea boss drops level 40 - 44 rares for every other class than me. If what you're saying is true that you're able to find gear in the game and I haven't seen an item since Skeleton King Normal then my account is screwed up. Now the blues in Hell III are level 50 but who wants to wear 20 dexterity and 100 strength gear for a Demon Hunter?

I got to level 59 1/2 before I "quit". Nephew bought the game tonight so I guess I will reroll a wizard as I have rares for all the other classes all the way to 55. All my other character slots are mules and I actually disenchanted all of them one day and have since refilled them again. Everything was a rare.
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As a wizard, I ran with a barb and DH through normal, so we traded gear a lot. In nightmare it was mostly me and the barb, by Hell I was soloing. I'm sure many people will not get many upgrades up to inferno, but thats what the AH is for. Before 50, you can spend as little as 10k a pop for good upgrades, Between 55-59, you can find good upgrades for under 25k. I spent less than a million on inferno gear when I decided to start Act 2.

If you cant find good upgrades for 10-25k a pop before 60, then you shouldnt need to \upgrade.
 
I am having "HELL" beating Izual on HELL difficulty with my level 60 Barb friend...once IZUAL breaks loose and spawns his brothers, we can almost get a set of the brothers down but IZUAL one-hits the hell out of my wizard and pounds the crap outta the barb. We have tried diff builds, about 10 different ways. I have about 25K HP, 4K Armor, 8.2K DPS....do I just need to get some better gear to fight him with?
 
Viper16 said:
I am having "HELL" beating Izual on HELL difficulty with my level 60 Barb friend...once IZUAL breaks loose and spawns his brothers, we can almost get a set of the brothers down but IZUAL one-hits the hell out of my wizard and pounds the crap outta the barb. We have tried diff builds, about 10 different ways. I have about 25K HP, 4K Armor, 8.2K DPS....do I just need to get some better gear to fight him with?
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That's the guy before Diablo right? As a wizard you should be kiting the whole time. Dropping either blizzard or venom hydra in this path.
 
cageymaru said:
O-M-G! My nephew just bought Diablo 3. And he called me to play with him. :eek:

I need a stiff drink. I have to play with him because he is family. I'm going to cut myself.

Why lord? Why me?
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You can always use the "I'm too far in the game already" excuse. ;)
 
big_aug said:
There's some folks in Act 3 Inferno in Hardcore mode now.

I really hope they don't nerf or change anything about Inferno. If it can be done in HC, there is definitely nothing wrong with it.
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Ehh... If you're talking about Kripparian, everytime he's in a sticky situation in HC, he presses ESC to pause the game (he does not play with other players) and then logs into his account on a laptop so it instantly boots him.

The issue with Inferno isn't progression. Progression is 100% possible and honestly quite trivial (act and quest bosses are relatively easy). The problem with Inferno goes into core gameplay design.
 
Dallows said:
That's the guy before Diablo right? As a wizard you should be kiting the whole time. Dropping either blizzard or venom hydra in this path.
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Yeah, I have no issue with him, it is when his adds come out and it all breaks loose. I will switch to blizzard, I have hydra, they seem to run faster than I can when I kite.
 
Izual is such a bitch on squishy guy... his freeze charge one shot you if you're not carefull.

Stay as far away as possible from him (ie: you don't actually SEE him and aim for where he's supposed to be)
 
Viper16 said:
Yeah, I have no issue with him, it is when his adds come out and it all breaks loose. I will switch to blizzard, I have hydra, they seem to run faster than I can when I kite.
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Do you have run speed on your boots? That's also a must for wizards. Been a while since I fought him actually. You could also try using teleport with fracture. The clones it makes when you teleport could distract long enough for you to "regroup."

Another thing that I remember. I run solo so I have Templar at all times. I would kite him around the circle things and he would usually get locked up on the opposite side long enough for me to do decent damage. By the time his minions came it was just kiting until he died. Definitely can get hairy towards the end though.
 
SilverSliver said:
Submit a ticket with the following information.





You will get this response in a few days.




In essence, if you ever hear that the game improves dramatically, you can just buy the game again and get all of your characters back.
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I'm going to play the hell out of the game for my 30 days and take my refund! While I like the game the servers just aren't good enough. I finally had a few hour stretch I could sit down and play... of course servers are down for yet another patch. I guess I'll work on my homework.

I plan on coming back to the game again in the future but hopefully I'll get it at $40 (like many pre-orders did) instead of $60 that the digital download cost.
 
Intel_Hydralisk said:
Ehh... If you're talking about Kripparian, everytime he's in a sticky situation in HC, he presses ESC to pause the game (he does not play with other players) and then logs into his account on a laptop so it instantly boots him.

The issue with Inferno isn't progression. Progression is 100% possible and honestly quite trivial (act and quest bosses are relatively easy). The problem with Inferno goes into core gameplay design.
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So I just read a little about it... You can pause the game when you are playing solo? Really? Didn't know about that lol. It's really no different than Save and Exit, and it's not going to save you every time. If you were going to die, it's probably going to be a near insta type death before you had a chance to even think to do anything. .

Have you ever actually seen him do it? I don't really care if he did this or not though. I say props to him for figuring out a way to stay alive.

I don't think I'd call it trivial. I think there would be a lot more people past Act 1 Inferno if it were truly trivial. There aren't champs/elites along the quest paths? And before you say it, you never reset D2 games so you could avoid cold/fire/phsycial immune mobs? That's part of the game
 
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