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Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel

J3RK said:
I'll definitely be grabbing this when it hits "Expansion Pack" level pricing. I love Borederlands, and BL2, and I know I will enjoy this. However, it doesn't seem like it could contain $60 worth of BL content to me. Plus I have a few other things to play right now anyway. Looking forward to playing this eventually though.
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I'm in the same position. All my friends picked it up and it does kind of suck to see them on Steam playing it everyday, but I just can't justify spending $60 on this game right now. I'm also pretty sure that after the initial excitement fades, they will leave it alone.
 
I think you guys have the right plan. The only reason I have it now myself is because I had a 25 percent off coupon from GMG and I'm "in between games" otherwise I, too, would have waited for "expansion pack pricing."
 
J3RK said:
I'll definitely be grabbing this when it hits "Expansion Pack" level pricing. I love Borederlands, and BL2, and I know I will enjoy this. However, it doesn't seem like it could contain $60 worth of BL content to me. Plus I have a few other things to play right now anyway. Looking forward to playing this eventually though.
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So far everyone I used to play BL2 with is loving this new one - including one guy that normally "hates everything" - so I think you'll enjoy it. Played late into the night with a good group last night and had a blast, the game continues to open up. The low-gravity "gliding" also becomes something enjoyable as you can develop it into a real skill, to the point you'll immediately want it back when during the campaign you're transported back to a place with normal gravity (ie going from Elpis back to Helios). Lots of side quests available too, some very good ones. I'm mostly sticking to story quests for my PT1, since the real game in a BL title essentially starts at PT2. After the first 10 hours spent "looking for things to hate" I realized I had stopped doing that and was actually enjoying it.

I've got The Evil Within and Alien Isolation sitting here waiting to be played, as well as Shadow of Mordor I need to get back to and finish, but a new Borderlands is once again proving too addictive.
 
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DPI said:
So far everyone I used to play BL2 with is loving this new one - including one guy that normally "hates everything" - so I think you'll enjoy it. Played late into the night with a good group last night and had a blast, the game continues to open up. The low-gravity "gliding" also becomes something enjoyable as you can develop it into a real skill, to the point you'll immediately want it back when during the campaign you're transported back to a place with normal gravity (ie going from Elpis back to Helios). Lots of side quests available too, some very good ones. I'm mostly sticking to story quests for my PT1, since the real game in a BL title essentially starts at PT2. After the first 10 hours spent "looking for things to hate" I realized I had stopped doing that and was actually enjoying it.

I've got The Evil Within and Alien Isolation sitting here waiting to be played, as well as Shadow of Mordor I need to get back to and finish, but a new Borderlands is once again proving too addictive.
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Nice! Yeah, I'm not really trying to be that "wait for $5 on Steam" guy here. Just for it to get a little more in line with what I feel it should be. I'll grab it on the next 20% off sale I see most likely. I just got The Evil Within installed, and haven't gotten into Divinity: OS yet either. I also just got done with a big round of BL2 playing with my daughter, so I think this will be great when I get back into that mood again. :cool:
 
J3RK said:
Nice! Yeah, I'm not really trying to be that "wait for $5 on Steam" guy here. Just for it to get a little more in line with what I feel it should be. I'll grab it on the next 20% off sale I see most likely. I just got The Evil Within installed, and haven't gotten into Divinity: OS yet either. I also just got done with a big round of BL2 playing with my daughter, so I think this will be great when I get back into that mood again. :cool:
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If you jumped the BL2 train late and have been playing a lot of that lately, then you're probably better holding off since it'll feel like more BL2. In my case I quit playing BL2 after I finished Assault on Dragon's Keep (the final and most fantastic DLC of the season pass), so getting back into BL2 "lasers & low-gravity edition" aka TPS feels fresh again since more than a year has passed.

Keep your eyes peeled on the F/S forum here for geforce codes (some selling it for $35 but they sell out quickly), as well as GMG's recurring 25% off codes.
 
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Early impressions IMHO its not as fun as BL2 but I'm not high level yet. Getting around the world is not as easy and the quests can be somewhat stupid at times. The loot drops are very 'meh'. Finding good weapons is hard. Not many to be found at early levels. I'm still playing it but it just doesn't have that fun feeling BL2 has. If my friends weren't playing it I'd probably have dropped it by now and gone back to BL2 or some other game.
 
Skott said:
Early impressions IMHO its not as fun as BL2 but I'm not high level yet. Getting around the world is not as easy and the quests can be somewhat stupid at times. The loot drops are very 'meh'. Finding good weapons is hard. Not many to be found at early levels. I'm still playing it but it just doesn't have that fun feeling BL2 has. If my friends weren't playing it I'd probably have dropped it by now and gone back to BL2 or some other game.
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I find that I'm less patient with some of the sidequests which is a first for me since I'm usually OCD with these games.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't every new game released by a mainstream publisher, no matter how good or bad the game, is released at around $50-$60 price point? Yes, even for clunkers like Aliens: Colonial Marines and Duke Nukem Forever. Now, from I heard from various reviews, Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel appears to be a glorified expansion pack built upon the Borderlands 2 engine. I picked up the first two Borderlands at deeply discounted prices through Steam previously.

Now, a talking swearing shotgun that's more annoying than Claptrap? That's classic!
 
Yes, $50-$60 is the standard nowadays. I remember when it was $20-$30. I'm sure people can remember when it was less than that. Inflation and all that. I'm thinking the steam sales is making some publishers rethink it but time will tell.
 
Skott said:
Yes, $50-$60 is the standard nowadays. I remember when it was $20-$30. I'm sure people can remember when it was less than that. Inflation and all that. I'm thinking the steam sales is making some publishers rethink it but time will tell.
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No, actually I don't remember that. I remember paying $40-60 for crappy Sega Master System / Genesis cartridges in the early 90's. Phantasy Star 4 was released at nearly $100 in 1995.

If anything, we get more for our gaming money these days, and the fact that the prices have stayed around $50 for almost 20 years is amazing.

It's like every time there's a new Blizzard expansion, people complain about the $40 cost, except then someone goes and finds a picture of the Warcraft 3 expansion with a $40 sticker on it.
 
50-60+30 for the season pass, and then it will probably turn out to be two seasons, with the level cap being raised in the next dlc pack. so yeah....
 
Drakenfeng said:
It's like every time there's a new Blizzard expansion, people complain about the $40 cost, except then someone goes and finds a picture of the Warcraft 3 expansion with a $40 sticker on it.
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Just to show you my age, I checked the 1981 Radio Shack Catalog Page 171, and the games listed there ranged from $4.95 to $19.95.

Or, how about 80 Micro page 197 where the games were $20 or less.

Of course, we are talking about thirty years ago.

Look, we are talking about what the market will bear. Some folks will pay any money to be first on the block with the new shiny toy. The rest of us see the pricing trends and price history, and elect to wait. Let the market sort it out.
 
I'm still having crashing bugs. I think I'm going to ask for a refund from Steam. Seriously this is a well tested engine and this game runs like hot garbage down a dry wall..
 
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I haven't even touched the last 5 Headhunter DLCS =) Except the Halloween one from last year Borderlands 3 or Bust =)
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Godmachine said:
I'm still having crashing bugs. I think I'm going to ask for a refund from Steam. Seriously this is a well tested engine and this game runs like hot garbage down a dry wall..
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Fwiw, not a single crash in over 20hrs of playing TPS, so maybe theres something weird with your setup.


In other news I finally finished PT1 last night, the final boss fight was insane and makes The Warrior in BL2 seem like EZMODE. Wont give anything away but each time i thought i killed the final boss, an even bigger one shows up. Overall the third act was pretty impressive. I guess that the overall campaign length was slightly shorter than BL2, but the multitude of side quests kind of erases that.

PT2 scaling is a bit different than past BL's - everything is 3-5 levels above you no matter what so it's a bit of a bitch solo, but it's doable with decent gear, not to mention some of the skill trees are OP compared to BL2. So I'm digging the extra difficulty and it's more manageable co-op.
 
Nope , isn't my setup , can play any other game I want for hours. Its strictly and totally Borderlands : TPS.

No overclocks on my system , 24/7/365 stable and has run rock solid since 2010. Seriously its pathetic that a game engine this well used now runs like crap since its virtually the exact same one as in BL2 and that game runs a treat.

Its either the game or Nvidia's drivers need more updating. Also again PhsyX tanks the frame rate even on lower settings.
 
Godmachine said:
Nope , isn't my setup , can play any other game I want for hours. Its strictly and totally Borderlands : TPS.

No overclocks on my system , 24/7/365 stable and has run rock solid since 2010. Seriously its pathetic that a game engine this well used now runs like crap since its virtually the exact same one as in BL2 and that game runs a treat.

Its either the game or Nvidia's drivers need more updating. Also again PhsyX tanks the frame rate even on lower settings.
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That's a rotten deal man, could always get that refund and repurchase during the black friday/holiday sale, where some fixes may be made by then, hopefully anyway.

I want to play this with my usual gang, but I'm not spending more than a few bucks on it, especially when I have so many other things to play.
 
Glorified expansion pack. Just remember that.

I finished my first playthrough. I skipped quite a number of sidequests on the first playthrough because some of them were really a PITA or just didn't feel like it. This is unusual for me on a Borderlands game although I suppose there's really no point in going OCD until you hit True Vault Hunter Mode. I'm in no hurry to replay.

One thing a good prequel does it it fleshes out some backstory and then it sets things up nicely for the future. This game does that and I'm happy about that. There's a nice lay up for part 3 at the end.
 
Drakenfeng said:
No, actually I don't remember that. I remember paying $40-60 for crappy Sega Master System / Genesis cartridges in the early 90's. Phantasy Star 4 was released at nearly $100 in 1995.

If anything, we get more for our gaming money these days, and the fact that the prices have stayed around $50 for almost 20 years is amazing.

It's like every time there's a new Blizzard expansion, people complain about the $40 cost, except then someone goes and finds a picture of the Warcraft 3 expansion with a $40 sticker on it.
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I agree that we get more for our gaming dollar but personally I do not feel that BLTPS is worthy of full price. I actually got the season pass for BL2 and the DLC I got was sub par. I will never do that again with the exception of Batman AK if they offer it.

The only way Gearbox is getting another dime from me is if they release BL3. Anything other than that is a 10 dollar Steam sale for the whole pack.
 
Q-BZ said:
Glorified expansion pack. Just remember that.

I finished my first playthrough. I skipped quite a number of sidequests on the first playthrough because some of them were really a PITA or just didn't feel like it. This is unusual for me on a Borderlands game although I suppose there's really no point in going OCD until you hit True Vault Hunter Mode. I'm in no hurry to replay.

One thing a good prequel does it it fleshes out some backstory and then it sets things up nicely for the future. This game does that and I'm happy about that. There's a nice lay up for part 3 at the end.
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Is it worth 60 bucks?
 
fdiaz78 said:
Is it worth 60 bucks?
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Based on knowing Q, and my general impression of the game at a buddy's house...hell no. $20? All over that shit like white on rice. It's odd, because I LOVE Borderlands, and the first two are on my top 10-15 games of all time list.
 
BiH115 said:
Based on knowing Q, and my general impression of the game at a buddy's house...hell no. $20? All over that shit like white on rice. It's odd, because I LOVE Borderlands, and the first two are on my top 10-15 games of all time list.
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^^ This. Not worth full price.

Pay what you feel is right for either a "glorified expansion pack" or "robust DLC" by your own standards.

$20 is a good price.

The only reason I got it was I had a 25 percent coupon from GMG and I was in between games.

fdiaz78 said:
The only way Gearbox is getting another dime from me is if they release BL3. A
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You can bank on this. This prequel lays it up.
 
With how popular this game is I'm surprised this thread is seeing more action. I played it on a buddies comp for a little while and though it was pretty fun, definitely not worth the $60 price tag though. I seem to remember BL2 going on a steam sale pretty soon, probably best to wait for that.

$60 is too much for 5gb game developed on the same engine as the previous one, whole thing probably should have been a $30 expansion.

In a way it's kind of good that it's so easy to run though. The game ran at 120fps without a hitch on a 780 @1440p, it was buttery smooth and very fast.
 
I do like the double pistols on the lawbringer. I kicked a lot of ass with her. If I replay it I'll probably try claptrap.
 
w35t said:
With how popular this game is I'm surprised this thread is seeing more action. I played it on a buddies comp for a little while and though it was pretty fun, definitely not worth the $60 price tag though. I seem to remember BL2 going on a steam sale pretty soon, probably best to wait for that.

$60 is too much for 5gb game developed on the same engine as the previous one, whole thing probably should have been a $30 expansion.
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This is sort of my feeling. I enjoyed BL2 a lot, but still haven't managed to get through all the DLC. Just got a little stale I guess. If this were a proper sequel, I'd have bought it full price in a heartbeat. But when it appears to be a carbon copy of everything in BL2 with low gravity... not as enticing. I'll get it, but probably a year from now when it's under $10.
 
Q-BZ said:
I do like the double pistols on the lawbringer. I kicked a lot of ass with her. If I replay it I'll probably try claptrap.
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Athena is a lot of fun because of her shield. Can also be thrown at teammates when they're down to insta-revive.

Claptrap is kind of annoying because his action skill is randomized and can be distracting for teammates (making everyones gun constantly fire, or making everyone bounce around like a rubber ball, etc).

Id say give Athena or Wilhelm a shot.
 
I always liked Lilith myself. I'm starting to cave on this game actually. I don't think I have any usable codes though, so I'll wait for the next reasonable sale. Have to pick up Bayonetta tonight for the Wii U anyway. :D
 
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there are SO many areas in this game with huge frame drops and <50% gpu usage. it's fucking ridiculous.
 
The only thing I've noticed with Borderlands 2 (note sure about TPS yet, haven't played) is the PhysX settings seem to be a real pain. I hate PhysX with a passion because of its proprietary nature, and I generally trend toward AMD GPUs. In BL2 (and perhaps TPS) there seems to be Low, Medium, and High PhysX support and all can be chosen strangely, even for AMD user. It would be nice if they at least said which settings were not intended for those without an Nvidia card. I saw some discussion that the settings govern certain physics behaviors, but it would be nice to say...enable cloth effects while toning down liquid effects etc. Though of course, I'd really prefer if they'd just switch to a platform agnostic physics engine, like OpenCL.

Most of the time in BL2, even with PhysX on High, I have a good framerate (which is set to Unlimited), but there are certain times there are HUGE drops in FPS when it seems there are lots of physics-related stuff. Now, this isn't always unplayable, just annoying. Anyone playing BL2 or BLTPS with a 290X or comparable, what did you use for your Physics setting?
 
Deadlift was tough for a first boss. I think I died 5x. Then I remembered I had a special ability and whooped his ass in minutes.
 
GOD'SlittleSERVANT said:
Deadlift was tough for a first boss. I think I died 5x. Then I remembered I had a special ability and whooped his ass in minutes.
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He's much more of a challenge in TVHM (Playthrough 2). In fact TVHM in general is WAY more challenging than it was in BL2 - enemies are typically 3-5 levels above you. I consider it a good thing, but some of the whiny kids on GBX's forum think its "too hard". F em.
 
Xaeos said:
The only thing I've noticed with Borderlands 2 (note sure about TPS yet, haven't played) is the PhysX settings seem to be a real pain. I hate PhysX with a passion because of its proprietary nature, and I generally trend toward AMD GPUs. In BL2 (and perhaps TPS) there seems to be Low, Medium, and High PhysX support and all can be chosen strangely, even for AMD user. It would be nice if they at least said which settings were not intended for those without an Nvidia card. I saw some discussion that the settings govern certain physics behaviors, but it would be nice to say...enable cloth effects while toning down liquid effects etc. Though of course, I'd really prefer if they'd just switch to a platform agnostic physics engine, like OpenCL.

Most of the time in BL2, even with PhysX on High, I have a good framerate (which is set to Unlimited), but there are certain times there are HUGE drops in FPS when it seems there are lots of physics-related stuff. Now, this isn't always unplayable, just annoying. Anyone playing BL2 or BLTPS with a 290X or comparable, what did you use for your Physics setting?
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this happens even on nvidia cards. ultra physx is absolutely 100% unplayable on a 770. there's one enemy type that just spews fluids when it dies and drops the framerate into the low 30s. the physx in borderlands is awesome but it really kills the framerate. and i'm not sure why you need to be told physx isn't intended to work properly with amd cards.

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Thank you, those charts are helpful. It would be nice to be able to toggle each of those independently, as I was saying above, instead of blanket low/med/high. As you note, "low" should rightly be called off. Interesting to note that such slowdown happens on intended Nvidia GPUs as well, however.

It would be one thing if the game was completely unplayable with PhysX settings above "low" for those without compliant Nvidia GPUs (or like some titles, didn't allow users to select any option above Low), but considering how much of the time the game is fully playable even set to Medium or even High (for BL2 and TPS etc), even when physics effects are clearly visible (leaking pipes etc), only occasionally punctuated by periods of significant slowdown (though, rarely slideshow inducing) that also seem to be present even for NV card owners by some reports, it becomes a bit annoying.

Thanks for the further info.
 
I never thought I'd say "there's too much loot" in a game, but there's too much loot in this game. I feel the need to stop and open everything I see green and it starts to become tiresome.
 
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