Battlefield 3 General Discussion Thread

TheToE! said:
Watch, they'll start coming out of the woodwork. Prolly by the time I hit submit on this post, there will already be some DDR's(DICE-DICK-RIDERS) defending them. Just watch!;) BTW! Q-BZ....I'm not throwing you into that group, your posts are well thought out, and it's clear your not a mindless fanboy.
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Thanks. I try. :)



Biggrich76 said:
I'm not a hater, I'm actually enjoying the game but I do have some issues with the game in it's current state.

Squads - There is still no easy way for you to create a squad with your friends. If you have a group of 4 people and you join a server with more than 75% capacity, you'll most likely wind up on opposite teams and very likely on different squads. Trying to change squads and get everyone on the same one is nearly impossible, especially once the server fills up.

Party Joining - Certain browsers don't display the popups properly, and others are hindered by anti-virus. Options are to disable anti-virus (no thanks) or use a browser that you don't want to. For me, I'm still unable to get it to work properly on any browser even when I disable my anti-virus.

Rubber banding - I know a lot of people recommend disabling Hyperthreading to achieve better results, but it doesn't work for everyone. Like man other people, I have some video/audio encoding that I do when I'm not gaming so disabling/enabling HT constantly is not really a good option. I still think there are issues with the netcode that are causing this.

Mouse issues - There are numerous documented cases (and videos) of the stuttering, input lag, negative acceleration and other mouse issues. The sensitivity adjustments and "Raw" mouse are not clearly defined so it's difficult to find a solution. I finally found decent settings after playing around with the in-game settings and my drivers but it still doesn't feel quite right.​

I could go on, but I'll stop here. The bottom line is that there are plenty of valid issues that need to be addressed. You can't simply dismiss these as someone being a "hater" when they clearly need to be fixed. But I have some faith that DICE/EA will fix these things in due time.
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I wouldn't classify you as a hater by any means. This is a great post with specific points that everyone can follow. :)

Frankly, I don't disagree with any of it although I've not had these mouse issues some other people have had. Some of that I've either just been lucky or it's been a timing issue because I haven't had some severity on some of those issues like other people have but I know those issues are out there and I have been effected by some of them to a degree myself at times.

I, too, could probably bring on some valid issues but you've covered the broad points good enough for me.


The rubber banding thing...I saw people complaining about it on a couple of our servers here a few nights ago and then...something got changed somewhere on the server end presumably and those complaints went away so I'm not sure the rubber banding situation isn't a problem from one or multiple "sources" clashing the wrong way.

I saw it, too. Since that first night I've never seen it again and I have HT and I haven't changed a thing on my system FWIW.




Overall, though, lumps and all...I'm having a hell of a good time and seeing a pretty damned good game that I know I couldn't get the same experience on any console. That's all I'm trying to say here. :)
 
Even if they just allowed you to adjust your loadout/squad at any time - during the kill cam, during map changes, out of game - it would make it 100x better. Just like in BC2, being unable to quit until the map loads, that stuff drives me crazy. There is already so much down time in this game while you're dead, why should I waste my "alive" time having to change out my scope, etc.

Some of the maps are absolutely amazing, but some of them just don't make much sense - huge grind fests where all you're doing is spraying the 2 or 3 corners where people will be coming from. Damavand peak is a particularly bizarre map design. I can still have fun with it, because actually pushing and taking the tunnels flag is rewarding because it's so damn hard. But restricting such a huge map and area to these tiny corridors - infantry gets chewed up in the big areas, so you cluster everyone up in the two side tunnels. I happen to be very good at beating people at corners, so it helps my K/D, but killing 3-4 people in a hallway, dying, and then running right back to do it again isn't too thrilling.

However then you have a map like Seine crossing, which I could probably play half a day nonstop and not get tired of.

EDIT: I know that maps like metro/damavand are rush oriented, and are great maps in that mode. I just wish that similar to BC2, a lot more of the map opens up in conquest than it does currently. Bizarrely enough, metro is actually SMALLER in conquest than in rush by the time you get to the last cap point. It should all be open, with some additional side passages added.
 
^^ Agreed.

In terms of some of those game mechanics, and I'm speaking broadly and thinking to their most recent prior effort on BC2 with some of that: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 
TwistedAegis said:
However then you have a map like Seine crossing, which I could probably play half a day nonstop and not get tired of.
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Honestly Seinne is my least favorite map on Conquest because once it reaches critical mass of snipers, paired with Mortar teams, it becomes nearly impossible to cross the bridge and it devolves into a stalemate.
 
Biggrich76 said:
Squads - There is still no easy way for you to create a squad with your friends. If you have a group of 4 people and you join a server with more than 75% capacity, you'll most likely wind up on opposite teams and very likely on different squads. Trying to change squads and get everyone on the same one is nearly impossible, especially once the server fills up.​
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I dont have a lot of issues squad hopping, leave my squad, join a new one. you have to have 2 guys click create squad for a new one to form though(seems stupid)

half the problems you have are related to server side team balancing issues and thats going to be hard to get around

Biggrich76 said:
Party Joining - Certain browsers don't display the popups properly, and others are hindered by anti-virus. Options are to disable anti-virus (no thanks) or use a browser that you don't want to. For me, I'm still unable to get it to work properly on any browser even when I disable my anti-virus.
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occasionally with IE9 I have to reopen BL in a new tab for the server browser to let me join games, thats the only issue I have had. Party VOIP works great now too

Biggrich76 said:
Rubber banding - I know a lot of people recommend disabling Hyperthreading to achieve better results, but it doesn't work for everyone. Like man other people, I have some video/audio encoding that I do when I'm not gaming so disabling/enabling HT constantly is not really a good option. I still think there are issues with the netcode that are causing this.
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could be netcode, could be the server is experiencing heavy load, could be you. but I agree, that are some times when the whole server ays WTF lag or wtf im rubberbanding all over. my server crashes atleast once a day, but it does come back up *really fast* like <1min, so that makes it bearable for now.

Biggrich76 said:
Mouse issues - There are numerous documented cases (and videos) of the stuttering, input lag, negative acceleration and other mouse issues. The sensitivity adjustments and "Raw" mouse are not clearly defined so it's difficult to find a solution. I finally found decent settings after playing around with the in-game settings and my drivers but it still doesn't feel quite right.
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I dont use raw but I cranked the sensitivity in the game way down and cranked my g9x up and I think it feels pretty damn good now

Biggrich76 said:
I could go on, but I'll stop here. The bottom line is that there are plenty of valid issues that need to be addressed. You can't simply dismiss these as someone being a "hater" when they clearly need to be fixed. But I have some faith that DICE/EA will fix these things in due time.
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yes there are, there are also tons of awesome thing about it, and I thnk teh issue some have is some posters are shitting on the game nonstop and pretending like its 100% shit when its more like 10% shit.

they have already tweaked a ton of stuff since launch, let alone since the beta. lets hope it continues and it should be really rockin by karkands launch.

they are seemingly very responsive to input in the battlelog forums, lets hope team VOIP gets going at some point and they let us click on the map for spawning
 
I wish jets and helicopters had their own mouse sensitivity like they did in battlefield 2.
 
Intel_Hydralisk said:
I'm having a blast. If all console games are like this, then I'll dust off my Xbox 360... oh wait.... BF3 on console is nothing like this.
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Dethred said:
The denials of this being a console port despite the developer admitting it... they sustain me.
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TwistedAegis said:
And what is your point? I could care less if they designed it for a TI-82 calculator - I'm playing the game right now, and it is amazing. Seriously, you guys are like some kind of religious fanatics - you could find a Mother Teresa, find some stupid comment she made a while back and then make her out to be Satan.

Remove the stick from your asses and enjoy the best MP FPS ever made. The visuals, the feel of the game, is fantastic. Never have I felt that I move through an environment so naturally as in BF3; just the little touches of vaulting a low obstacle rather than some unnatural CS crouch+jump adds so much. And playing a map like Seine Crossing is just unbelivable; for the first day or two half of my "playing" time was just staring at awe at what was going on around me. It still happens every now and then, where I actually pause and go, "Wow."

But, I know this post won't do anything, back to your regular scheduled negativity and pointless hate.
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TwistedAegis beat me to it, although I was going to say that I don't care if it was designed on and for a one NES as the PC version they delivered is amazing!
 
I wish they come out with the conquest assault maps again, you know, the 1 way deals where one team has no uncap base.

The tunnel map in conquest is starting to make a little bit a sense if your team actually utilizes the helicopter effectively. I think that is why they are there to be used as a transport device over the hill and let you try to get in behind the clusterfuck in the tunnel.

Metro conquest I still don't get at all....it just doesn't make sense and the russian side just has total advantage of the map if they get the top flag first.

and sorry, this is not even close to the best FPS MP game ever made...it is an ok game with major balance issues, i'll continue to play until I get fed up with the bullshit silliness. I can really only stomach like 3 or 4 rounds before I quit.
 
Jets are utterly useless in this game after using them for a while. No bombs, lock on takes too long, ceiling is too low, radar is an UNLOCK (srsly? and it isn't even a level 1-2-3 unlock, it's like level NINE) freelook doesn't work so you can't check your six....

God I miss BF2's jets, you know, where the bombers had big bombs and fighters had little bombs...but the bombers weren't as maneuverable as the fighters so you needed an escort... it feels like they just added jets in as an afterthought, because it "just wouldn't be Battlefield without them?"

Other than that I've been somewhat enjoying the game. Frustrating at times, they basically replaced the noob tube with mortars, and anytime there's a corridor, there's an RPG flying down it. It's like Q3A on some maps, and there's no way to stop it.
 
Bigbacon said:
The tunnel map in conquest is starting to make a little bit a sense if your team actually utilizes the helicopter effectively.
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Just a side note, I flew the Little Bird through the D Peak tunnel the other day. Yeah, it was an empty server. No, it has no tactical application when you are facing opposition.

It still felt bad ass.
 
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Anyone have any tips on how to use the guided missiles in the jet more effectively? I am finding it extremely difficult to hit anything. Also, I have almost everything unlocked for the jets. What would you say is the best loadout?
 
Dark Shade said:
Jets are utterly useless in this game after using them for a while. No bombs, lock on takes too long, ceiling is too low, radar is an UNLOCK (srsly? and it isn't even a level 1-2-3 unlock, it's like level NINE) freelook doesn't work so you can't check your six....
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I don't necessarily disagree with you (the CAS planes are more effective I think) but freelook worked for me; have to hold down button/key you have mapped. Wish it had TrackIR support, though!
 
TexasAg05 said:
Just a side note, I flew the Little Bird through the D Peak tunnel the other day. Yeah, it was an empty server. Yeah, it has no tactical application when you are facing opposition.

It still felt bad ass.
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i flew the AH-1 through the bridge crane on Noshahr Canals....so not nearly as impressive as your feat but good for a dipshit pilot like myself :D
 
I've seen that Mission Impossible salute done a few times. I know when I see it happen that whoever is flying that thing is a damned good pilot, whether they're using a control or KBM.
 
Q-BZ said:
I've seen that Mission Impossible salute done a few times. I know when I see it happen that whoever is flying that thing is a damned good pilot, whether they're using a control or KBM.
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What in tarnation is a Mission Impossible Salute?
 
TwistedAegis said:
Even if they just allowed you to adjust your loadout/squad at any time - during the kill cam, during map changes, out of game - it would make it 100x better. Just like in BC2, being unable to quit until the map loads, that stuff drives me crazy. There is already so much down time in this game while you're dead, why should I waste my "alive" time having to change out my scope, etc.
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For that matter, why can't I change that stuff in Battlelog before I even start the game?
 
Q-BZ said:
The helicopter flying through the entire tunnel. Like in the 1996 Tom Cruise movie, except not chasing a train.

Yeah, I guess I was a little vague there. ;)
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Heh, ok that's what I thought at first but the salute part confused me.

Flying through the tunnel in a little bird is not that hard, surviving while you go through is another story. :eek:

edit:: The first Mission Impossible was made in 96??!?! Damn, how time flies.
 
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Dethred said:
Troll much?
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Look who's talking...you came in here JUST to say "I told you so" about some bullshit that doesn't even matter since clearly tons of people are enjoying the game greatly and it still feels like a PC-centric game. Saying that they switched focus mid-development means nothing.
 
TexasAg05 said:
I don't necessarily disagree with you (the CAS planes are more effective I think) but freelook worked for me; have to hold down button/key you have mapped. Wish it had TrackIR support, though!
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I would have preferred a freelook mechanic like in ArmA2. There you hold down a key to freelook, but you can also continue to turn and fly using the WASD controls. I hate how in BF3 you can't manuever at all while freelooking.

Plus I agree about jets (particularly the fighters, haven't gotten to try an A-10 yet) being underpowered. Unless you're fighting other jets they're pretty useless.
 
Apparently, there's now a crack out that lets you play multiplayer without origin. Still have to log in (so it's not for piracy), but the pirate groups have proven origin to be completely unnecessary.

They included this quote:
"EA Trojan - It's in the game...ehm...It was in the game"
 
Hell, I bought the game and I'd consider using that if it was "safe". Origin is annoying.
 
MavericK96 said:
I would have preferred a freelook mechanic like in ArmA2. There you hold down a key to freelook, but you can also continue to turn and fly using the WASD controls. I hate how in BF3 you can't manuever at all while freelooking.

Plus I agree about jets (particularly the fighters, haven't gotten to try an A-10 yet) being underpowered. Unless you're fighting other jets they're pretty useless.
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I actually like it this way. I hated being bombed to oblivion in BF2. Now wannabe pilots will have to earn bomb unlocks to rain hell on other players. 2 - 3 months from now when I'm being bombed left and right by some hotshot pilot I'll just grin and bear it. If they stuck with the planes to unlock bombs then they've earned the right to bomb me.
 
fattypants said:
Apparently, there's now a crack out that lets you play multiplayer without origin. Still have to log in (so it's not for piracy), but the pirate groups have proven origin to be completely unnecessary.

They included this quote:
"EA Trojan - It's in the game...ehm...It was in the game"
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ROFL!

That's a big, "fuck you" to EA.

Gonna look for it after I get off work. Though I'm wondering if it'll have any repercussions to it, ie. banned account.


Teenk9 said:
I actually like it this way. I hated being bombed to oblivion in BF2. Now wannabe pilots will have to earn bomb unlocks to rain hell on other players. 2 - 3 months from now when I'm being bombed left and right by some hotshot pilot I'll just grin and bear it. If they stuck with the planes to unlock bombs then they've earned the right to bomb me.
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What bomb unlocks are you talking about, Willis.:confused:
 
Teenk9 said:
I actually like it this way. I hated being bombed to oblivion in BF2. Now wannabe pilots will have to earn bomb unlocks to rain hell on other players. 2 - 3 months from now when I'm being bombed left and right by some hotshot pilot I'll just grin and bear it. If they stuck with the planes to unlock bombs then they've earned the right to bomb me.
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:confused:

I didn't say anything about bombs...
 
Maybe it's just because it's new, but I just don't see ANY air vehicles making a difference yet. I probably have been killed less than a dozen times by helicopters, jets, etc. I would at least expect the attack choppers to be very effective, seems like most people are just crashing them immediately though or hovering ineffectively 20 miles away.
 
TwistedAegis said:
Maybe it's just because it's new, but I just don't see ANY air vehicles making a difference yet. I probably have been killed less than a dozen times by helicopters, jets, etc. I would at least expect the attack choppers to be very effective, seems like most people are just crashing them immediately though or hovering ineffectively 20 miles away.
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Me and my buddy go on killing sprees whenever we get a heli. I'm usually the gunner and I'll get several kills per run. Infantry included.

Once Operation Firestorm, we grabbed the heli when the round started and we never lost it.
Held off the enemy ground armor from moving past the first set of cap points for the entire round. Us being in the air pretty much won that game for our team, we had all cap points for 95% of the game. I think I was 24-0 by the end of the round.
 
I have an intel q6600 at 3.0ghz, 4gb of ram, and a Visionek Radeon 6870. I play at 1920x1080. If I max everything out on ultra I get a crappy frame rate. Even pushing the settings to auto has slowdowns.

I just bought the video card. What do I need to do in order to play the game with everything maxed out?
 
Korben Dallas said:
Me and my buddy go on killing sprees whenever we get a heli. I'm usually the gunner and I'll get several kills per run. Infantry included.

Once Operation Firestorm, we grabbed the heli when the round started and we never lost it.
Held off the enemy ground armor from moving past the first set of cap points for the entire round. Us being in the air pretty much won that game for our team, we had all cap points for 95% of the game. I think I was 24-0 by the end of the round.
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Apparently no one on the other team had an IGLA or Stinger unlocked, I make the air hell for anyone. Go ahead and drop your flares, I'm a patient man ;)
 
tronester said:
I have an intel q6600 at 3.0ghz, 4gb of ram, and a Visionek Radeon 6870. I play at 1920x1080. If I max everything out on ultra I get a crappy frame rate. Even pushing the settings to auto has slowdowns.

I just bought the video card. What do I need to do in order to play the game with everything maxed out?
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lower your resolution or upgrade gpu(s)
 
fattypants said:
Apparently, there's now a crack out that lets you play multiplayer without origin. Still have to log in (so it's not for piracy), but the pirate groups have proven origin to be completely unnecessary.

They included this quote:
"EA Trojan - It's in the game...ehm...It was in the game"
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Do want
Origin is a buggy pos
 
tronester said:
I have an intel q6600 at 3.0ghz, 4gb of ram, and a Visionek Radeon 6870. I play at 1920x1080. If I max everything out on ultra I get a crappy frame rate. Even pushing the settings to auto has slowdowns.

I just bought the video card. What do I need to do in order to play the game with everything maxed out?
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Check GPU usage and CPU usage while playing, depending on which one is maxed out you'll know where you need to do some upgrading.
 
Dethred said:
I just wanted to drop in and say "I told you so" to all the people in here that trolled that this was really a PC game. I am just glad I only spent $25 on this mistake of a game.

http://www.computerandvideogames.co...latform-switched-to-consoles-mid-development/
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Dethred said:
Troll much? ......... You guys are a riot. Best entertainment I have ever had.
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Dethred said:
The denials of this being a console port despite the developer admitting it... they sustain me.
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So you are being "sustained" and "entertained" by people denying that it was a console port? "Sustained" is synonymous with being fed, much like how people "feed" trolls with their responses. Trolls also derive entertainment value from their posts, hence why they post in the first place.

You have, by definition, trolled everyone here and are a hypocrite. Keep that in mind before you start accusing others of the same thing. ;)

BTW, thank you for the info in the original post, all I'm saying is you could have worded it a little better, and left out your statement about people's complaints "sustaining" you.;)
 
Dark Shade said:
Apparently no one on the other team had an IGLA or Stinger unlocked, I make the air hell for anyone. Go ahead and drop your flares, I'm a patient man ;)
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OH IT'S ON LIKE TRON!!

:D

We got locked and shot at plenty, it's just that on Firestorm there are these conveniently placed oil storage tanks on the side of the maps. Makes for a really good hiding spot.

Here's what me and my buddy run with. It's working great so far. We did have double flares at one point, but the extinguisher is far far more powerful than double flares.

Pilot:
Stealth
Extinguisher
Heat Seeker

Gunner:
Stealth
Flares
Guided Missile
 
Dethred said:
The denials of this being a console port despite the developer admitting it... they sustain me.
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