I assume the problem is the chipset not the CPU.Nope. My current OS is Windows7 64-bit. For some reason there is a conflict between Athlon64 FX-60 and windows 10.
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I assume the problem is the chipset not the CPU.Nope. My current OS is Windows7 64-bit. For some reason there is a conflict between Athlon64 FX-60 and windows 10.
I assume the problem is the chipset not the CPU.
I assume the problem is the chipset not the CPU.
That's particularly odd, since Windows 10 is definitively less configurable than Windows 7, while the documented evidence shows that it is also less stable, and less secure than Windows 7. And the only evidence I've seen comparing Windows 10 AU to Windows 7 shows that Windows 7 uses less system resources than Win 10.
Yes as just a every day desktop it is fine. Graphic drivers are crap for it. None of the big professional productivity suit like Adobe and final cut work natively in Linux. That's nice that 1/3 work but what about the other 2/3? 95% of up coming AAA won't support Linux. If it does it won't be for at least a year after release. Not hating on you for using Linux but it just will never take over like some keep thinking it will.
Have you got the exclusive?Hi All
Never say Never.
No, this is very much a CPU compatibility issue.
Older AMD CPU's lack CMPXCHG16b instructions, which Windows requires starting with 8.1
https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-confirms-some-older-amd-processors-do-not-support-windows-81
That's particularly odd, since Windows 10 is definitively less configurable than Windows 7, while the documented evidence shows that it is also less stable, and less secure than Windows 7. And the only evidence I've seen comparing Windows 10 AU to Windows 7 shows that Windows 7 uses less system resources than Win 10.
Have you got the exclusive?
I mean the exclusive on saying never.Hi All
No exclusive, just have experienced enough life to know when the word "never" is used , more times than not the person or group that used it, winds up eating crow
I mean the exclusive on saying never.
You said never say never.
But you said it twice!
Why cant we say it?
Nope. My current OS is Windows7 64-bit. For some reason there is a conflict between Athlon64 FX-60 and windows 10.
Versions of Windows for x64 prior to Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 offer the following:
Under Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2, both user mode and kernel mode virtual address spaces have been extended to 128 TB.[20] These versions of Windows will not install on processors that lack the CMPXCHG16B instruction.
- 8 TB of virtual address space per process, accessible from both user mode and kernel mode, referred to as the user mode address space. An x64 program can use all of this, subject to backing store limits on the system, and provided it is linked with the "large address aware" option.[71] This is a 4096-fold increase over the default 2 GB user-mode virtual address space offered by 32-bit Windows.[72][73]
- 8 TB of kernel mode virtual address space for the operating system.[72] As with the user mode address space, this is a 4096-fold increase over 32-bit Windows versions. The increased space primarily benefits the file system cache and kernel mode "heaps" (non-paged pool and paged pool). Windows only uses a total of 16 TB out of the 256 TB implemented by the processors because early AMD64 processors lacked a CMPXCHG16B instruction.[74]
That's particularly odd, since Windows 10 is definitively less configurable than Windows 7, while the documented evidence shows that it is also less stable, and less secure than Windows 7. And the only evidence I've seen comparing Windows 10 AU to Windows 7 shows that Windows 7 uses less system resources than Win 10.
That is not correct. The newer Windows kernels are more secure than Win 7. Just because you can't customize it the same way you can Win7 does not make it less secure.
Win 7 has many more vulnerabilities than 10.
That is not correct. The newer Windows kernels are more secure than Win 7. Just because you can't customize it the same way you can Win7 does not make it less secure.
Win 7 has many more vulnerabilities than 10.
Citation needed.
That is not correct. The newer Windows kernels are more secure than Win 7. Just because you can't customize it the same way you can Win7 does not make it less secure.
Win 7 has many more vulnerabilities than 10.
I had a heck of a good time with BeOS back in the day. Was good fun. I didn't use Win 3.1 for very long as I got a free upgrade to win95 with my Packard Bell within months of buying it.Nah.
I did read that NT 3.51 might be more successful, as it can run more modern 32bit browsers up through ~Firefox2. Spent way more time than was worth it to try to get it to work yesterday, but even after adding all the tweaks I read about online to get it to work, and even trying a special build of Firefox for these older OS:es, I could never get it to work.
Official old builds of Firefox would fail at install with this rather humorous error:
View attachment 16596
The special build for older OS:es didnt have an installer, but rather just a zipped folder. Once manually installing all the DLL's the internet told me I needed, it would still just crash.
It really doesnt seem all that long ago we used these older OS:es, but damn, I had forgotten how clunky these old versions were to use. No scroll wheel support. No keyboard shortcuts (like del, to delete files), almost everything requires going up to the menu, and looking for the thing you want to do (like new Directory, or rename file), having to reboot every time you want to change desktop resolution or color depth, etc. etc.
This walk down memory lane really did a lot to make me appreciate our current OS:es.
Microsoft is just trying to encourage you to pirate enterprise edition, to prove you are 1337.Yeah, the whole "not allowing users to remove stuff they don't want", "automatically resetting settings that users explicitly set as something else because they are better for Microsoft" and lack of "policies" for Win 10 Pro all mean that Windows 10 is the least configurable Windows OS in a long time.
That's not true. In 2016, Windows 10 had many more vulnerabilities (172) than Windows 7 (134):
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/717347-and-the-software-with-most-vulnerabilities-in-2016-was…-android/
Here is the "top 20" list:
Product Name Vendor Product Type Vulnerabilities
1 Android Google OS 523
2 Debian Linux Debian OS 319
3 Ubuntu Linux Canonical OS 278
4 Flash Player Adobe Application 266
5 Leap Novell OS 259
6 Opensuse Novell OS 228
7 Acrobat Reader Dc Adobe Application 227
8 Acrobat Dc Adobe Application 227
9 Acrobat Adobe Application 224
10 Linux Kernel Linux OS 217
11 Mac Os X Apple OS 215
12 Reader Adobe Application 204
13 Windows 10 Microsoft OS 172
14 Chrome Google Application 172
15 Iphone Os Apple OS 161
16 Windows Server 2012 Microsoft OS 156
17 Windows 8.1 Microsoft OS 154
18 Windows Rt 8.1 Microsoft OS 139
19 Edge Microsoft Application 135
20 Windows 7 Microsoft OS 134
So, Windows 7 is definitively more secure than Windows 10.
That's not true. In 2016, Windows 10 had many more vulnerabilities (172) than Windows 7 (134):
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/717347-and-the-software-with-most-vulnerabilities-in-2016-was…-android/
Here is the "top 20" list:
Product Name | Vendor | Product Type | # of vulnerabilities
1 Android Google OS 523
2 Debian Linux Debian OS 319
3 Ubuntu Linux Canonical OS 278
4 Flash Player Adobe Application 266
5 Leap Novell OS 259
6 Opensuse Novell OS 228
7 Acrobat Reader Dc Adobe Application 227
8 Acrobat Dc Adobe Application 227
9 Acrobat Adobe Application 224
10 Linux Kernel Linux OS 217
11 Mac Os X Apple OS 215
12 Reader Adobe Application 204
13 Windows 10 Microsoft OS 172
14 Chrome Google Application 172
15 Iphone Os Apple OS 161
16 Windows Server 2012 Microsoft OS 156
17 Windows 8.1 Microsoft OS 154
18 Windows Rt 8.1 Microsoft OS 139
19 Edge Microsoft Application 135
20 Windows 7 Microsoft OS 134
So, Windows 7 is definitively more secure than Windows 10.
Also a good point. In Windows 10, Microsoft now does all the same things that viruses and malware do. That has to be taken into account when talking about security, since unwanted, non-authorized, and interfering behaviour doesn't become a non-threat just because it's a known software business that's doing it.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are more than 20 software vulnerabilities in Windows 10 that are related to just Microsoft, which aren't counted in the above list.
Serious question. What do you on your Linux computer that would benefit a Ryzen upgrade over what you have in your signature?
Interesting, So Windows 7 is "more secure" than Windows 10. And Windows 10 is "more secure" than a ton of Linux distros and Android based on a Linux kernel. I'm sure a lot of Linux fans will say that's not the case.
EDIT: This list shows how many vulnerabilities were discovered during 2016. It is not a list of how many vulnerabilities went unfixed.
Or it could just be that Microsoft is dropping the ball when it comes to finding and patching vulnerabilities, to quote the link:
Which is my point. You're not looking at the raw numbers on this list and saying Windows 10 is more secure than Ubuntu. And I wouldn't say that either.
Windows 7 will be EOL when people stop using it, now it's just end of support.Now that Windows 7 is EOL, no one should be using it anymore.
What are you guys doing with your PCs that you notice the user experience being all that different between 7, 8, and 10? It's been mostly the same UI for forever. Some of the newer changes to the device management, control panel, etc in Win10 is annoying but for primarily a gaming machine I hardly ever have to touch anything.
Not sure if you are trolling or really have no clue. It totally changed. That is why Startisback, openshell, classicshell, etc all started. It made 8/10 a better OS that is more like 7.What are you guys doing with your PCs that you notice the user experience being all that different between 7, 8, and 10? It's been mostly the same UI for forever. Some of the newer changes to the device management, control panel, etc in Win10 is annoying but for primarily a gaming machine I hardly ever have to touch anything.
Oh look at the necromancers.
Windows 7 will be EOL when people stop using it, now it's just end of support.
Security updates for Windows 7 will continue to be available until 2023.
https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...rrow-but-also-officially-continue-until-2023/
https://forums.mydigitallife.net/th...-extended-security-updates-eligibility.80606/
Damn, I am late, the Windows 10 worshipers are here already.
Why is so hard for people to understand that some people have (good) reasons to hate windows 10 or love Windows 7?
On topic, thats foul on AMD part to ignore an OS that still commands such a huge user base.
The funny thing is, the conspiracy theorist in me see things like this as more proof that someone very high up there, think past microsoft, really wants the whole world on W10, so they can have an even closer access to you.
Oh well.
Too soon, bro, I am still mourning those two....
No one in the right mind stayed on Windows 8 or 8.1What's AMD's excuse for skipping Windows 8.1 support?