1gb ddr pc 3200 $45 bucks

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gotkilled said:
i emailed the seller and he still has not responded.
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Sorry to hear that.
Did you make sure you're just simply replying to the same e-mail that he replied you that contains the whole chain of convention?

For mine, I always keep the "RMA D2" title on as the subject of the email.

Good luck
 
The only responses I have gotten from the seller so far is automated email messages.
I sent a followup email to the PayPal people tonight to see if I can find out the status of my dispute. (Its been sitting at the 'review' step for several days now.)
 
Try putting the word "RMA" as the subject line.
That seems to get their attention somehow.

awdorrin said:
The only responses I have gotten from the seller so far is automated email messages.
I sent a followup email to the PayPal people tonight to see if I can find out the status of my dispute. (Its been sitting at the 'review' step for several days now.)
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okay, i got an answer and he said this:

Send it back to us for testing and a replacement if defective.

We'll notify you when we receive it for testing, then email you with your options.

Please include a note with your EbayID to help us identify your package upon receipt.

Thanks

Electromart
6740 Huntley Road
Suite 101
Columbus,OHIO
43229
USA
 
contemplating whether or not I should buy 2 sticks. But hows the quality? Will these run faster than my 512mb geil 3200 value ram? Mines used to run at 11:3:2:2 on nf7-s @210mhz w/ 2.9v. Overclockable? Should I just stick w/ my 512 stick of geil?
 
themanwithnoname said:
contemplating whether or not I should buy 2 sticks.
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Not from ebay you're not, heh, unless you like pain.
Don't even think of mixing high density with low density unless you like compatibility problems. Also remember older athlons run 4 banks at 333mhz max.
 
gotkilled said:
okay, i got an answer and he said this:
Send it back to us for testing and a replacement if defective.
We'll notify you when we receive it for testing, then email you with your options.
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Translation: In about another month you might get working ram, when and if we feel like it.
 
I've gotten that same form mail about 3 or 4 times so far in response. I think its a standard automated response he has setup.

Still no response from PayPal, or indication on what the status of the dispute is. I'm starting to think PayPal may hope I get bored and forget about it. I sent them an email last night and got a response this morning that essentially says that they will decide within 30 days. Not sure what new information they might get within 30 days, not like the seller has any pressure on him to do anything.

I'm half tempted to create a website warning of this guy, and getting the search engines to pick it up......
 
awdorrin said:
I sent them an email last night and got a response this morning that essentially says that they will decide within 30 days. Not sure what new information they might get within 30 days, not like the seller has any pressure on him to do anything.
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Yeah that's the way the PayPal dispute process works. Basically they request documentation from him during that 30 days. If he doesn't reply or sends too little/nonsense, you'll get your money back. I've got the feeling I am about to go through the same thing as he said he sent the replacement ram 9 days ago and no sign of it, won't give me a tracking number etc.

If he drops below 97% feedback I think he loses the paypal protection. The problem is of course he blackmails buyers into positive feedback. Also with enough disputes he might lose paypal entirely. Not sure what his problem is, but apparently he is a bit too laid back to be running a business.
 
awdorrin said:
Vibe - I take it you have not gotten the Advance Modules you were expecting?
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Nope and he's not replying to me either.
Dispute goes in Friday noon.

update: ah he did reply finally to my message this morning
said and it shipped and confirmed my address but still didn't
give me the date it shipped (which I believe was far later than
when he said he sent it) and the tracking number.
Still going to dispute if I don't get that.
 
I've got 2gb of the uglies for sale... I never had a computer to plug them into, but they look like this:
memory8po.jpg


And those are the ones that show up as Samsungs and work...

I'm looking for $150 shipped for both. If you have any comments, please PM me. If you want to buy them, please send PayPal to jlivesay[AT]ou[DOT]edu.

I also have a FS/FT thread about these, but I figured this thread might get a better response.

-SEAL
 
if anyone wants my 2nd stick (Advance modules BGA RAM), I have it for sale.
it worked fine in my DFI Ultra-D board when used alone.

Will sell it at actual cost + $1 shipping.
 
What really sucks is they pull off the Advance Modules warranty sticker and put on their own. So you couldn't even get warranty coverage from AM if you wanted to try that route one day.

So after telling me they shipped on the 9th, I started asking them every day what was going on for the past week and the tracking number. Got no answer or stupid answers every time (like giving me the tracking number for the original order). No amount of repeating myself or simplifying the question helped. Yesterday they sent me a notice that my order has shipped??!?! WTF.

PLEASE do NOT order from these people. I feel like they are giving me brain damage. By the way, I am fairly certain it's not just one person unless he is playing games. Sometimes one person does not know what the other is doing and I will get two replies to the same email saying different things.

I thought I was ready for the drama but I was so wrong.
How much you wanna bet they sent me the wrong memory again?
I so hope none of us ever needs to claim on the warranty.
Can you believe this is my first bad experience on ebay (out of several dozen).
 
After nearly two weeks of zero progress on this return/refund fiasco with fastmemoryman I get an email from Ebay today stating:

eBay Unpaid Item Mutual Agreement: #6816151243 - Response Required

We are contacting you about the following item: BRAND NEW 1GB PC 3200 DDR 400 Mhz 184PIN 1 GB NOT 512MB (#xxxxxxx)

The seller, fastmemoryman tells us you have mutually agreed not to complete the transaction (e.g. because you returned the item for a refund or because there was a misunderstanding) and has requested a credit for their eBay fees.

Please respond by Dec-02-2005 so eBay knows whether you have agreed.
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I have received no refund, the PayPal dispute still sits at the 'Review' state, and I have had no response to emails from this guy for almost two weeks - yet he is trying to tell ebay that we agreed to cancel the transaction?

I have not yet responded to the ebay request, but first sent him another email telling him that as far as I knew we had not come to an agreement - and again stating my terms of wanting a full refund.

I'm half tempted to just respond to the ebay message with 'We have come to no agreement yet and the transaction is still pending dispute in PayPal, do not refund his fees at this time.' - but I suppose I should give him a chance to respond to my email first...
 
added: btw, paypal disputes take a LONG time - paypal really sucks that way

Actually what he has done is completely seperate.
He is asking for the paypal fees on his side to be restores for the auction listing.
I've actually done that when someone refuses to pay on something I sell.
Ebay has to double check with you.

Not sure if agreeing to that invalidates your other dispute though.
Very messy. Getting ahold of ebay/paypal CSRs is near impossible too.

if you don't agree/respond, I don't think he gets his fees back, that may make you feel better ;)
 
vibe said:
added: btw, paypal disputes take a LONG time - paypal really sucks that way
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They sure do, I figure i've got two more weeks at least... I figure PayPal draws it all out in hopes that the two parties will come to their own compromise. Just too bad this guy never responds to email messages :p

vibe said:
Actually what he has done is completely seperate.
He is asking for the paypal fees on his side to be restores for the auction listing.
I've actually done that when someone refuses to pay on something I sell.
Ebay has to double check with you.
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Yes, I know its completely seperate. My problem/concern is he is trying to tell ebay that the transaction was canceled/refunded when it has not been. Further proof (in my eyes) of how dishonest this guy is in his dealings.

vibe said:
Not sure if agreeing to that invalidates your other dispute though.
Very messy. Getting ahold of ebay/paypal CSRs is near impossible too.

if you don't agree/respond, I don't think he gets his fees back, that may make you feel better ;)
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I'm not clear on that either - I figure I'll give this guy 24/36 hrs or so to respond to the email I sent him, but then I'll mail back ebay saying I didn't agree to anything and put an explaination in about the circumstances. If they guy refunds my money I am more than happy to let him get his fees back. I am even willing to let him keep his actual shipping costs - just not the inflated ones he charged!

Definitely learned my lesson on this one...
 
Has anyone here been screwed by the Ebay seller tjm2k5 on their RAM? I see there are many selling this crappy RAM now on ebay! I only read the first 10 pages or so of this thread which were relatively positive when I bought my (2) 1 Gb sticks of PC3200. I received two sticks of NCP NC00437 and searched the thread for NCP and found that no one has gotten them to work yet! :mad: I haven't got to try them out yet because I'm at work, but I'm pretty sure I'll be jumping through the hoops soon to get my cash back and was just wondering if any of you bought you RAM from tjm2k5?
 
Only problem with that compatibility list is that it is not up to date - it only shows 128x4 memory chips for DDR266, not the DDR400

Still, according to that list, only SiS 645, 648, 651 and 686 chipsets are compatible with
the NCP memory. These are all Pentium motherboards, no AMD boards in there as far as I can tell. Which is kind of funny, since all the other modules people got, only work on the AMD boards.
 
Thanks for the advice. I would have taken it had I not already ordered it prior to reading the end of the thread but guess what..........................the stupid stuff actually worked!!! Popped it in, the pooter booted, and the system shows 2Gb or RAM!! I'm so friggin lucky! I was so doubtful that before I even got to test it I already had a letter typed out ready to send to the seller requesting a refund! :D I got my sticks from this ebay listing, they even came with the free heatsinks too! I left the info on them at work but I'm pretty sure the model numbers were NC00437 and NC00470. I'll post my CPU-Z at the end. I didn't get to run memtest because I couldn't find a stupid floppy that worked and I'm too lazy to screw with it right now. Here's my "SMB Dump" as requested:

SMB Dump from address $51 --> <RAM> (SMBus at $4C00) (No error)
00: 80 08 07 0D 0C 01 40 00 04 50 50 00 82 08 00 01 [email protected].....
10: 0E 04 1C 01 02 20 00 60 50 75 50 3C 28 3C 28 01 ..... .`PuP<(<(.
20: 60 60 40 40 00 00 00 00 00 37 41 28 28 50 00 00 ``@@.....7A((P..
30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF ................
40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
SMB Dump from address $52 --> <RAM> (SMBus at $4C00) (No error)
00: 80 08 07 0D 0C 01 40 00 04 50 50 00 82 08 00 01 [email protected].....
10: 0E 04 1C 01 02 20 00 60 50 75 50 3C 28 3C 28 01 ..... .`PuP<(<(.
20: 60 60 40 40 00 00 00 00 00 37 41 28 28 50 00 00 ``@@.....7A((P..
30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF ................
40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
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80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
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A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
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F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
SMB Device at address $6A --> (SMBus at $4C00) (No error)

 
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Dew itt right said:
Thanks for the advice. I would have taken it had I not already ordered it prior to reading the end of the thread but guess what..........................the stupid stuff actually worked!!! Popped it in, the pooter booted, and the system shows 2Gb or RAM!! I'm so friggin lucky! I was so doubtful that before I even got to test it I already had a letter typed out ready to send to the seller requesting a refund!
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Before you get TOO excited, make sure you run a complete Memtest86+ test first. Mine apparently worked too, with my system showing 2GB at bootup, but I had BSOD's as soon as I did anything that consumed much memory. Ran Memtest86+ and it always failed one or two tests, conistently, but it wasn't bad modules per se because they each passed 100% individually, just not when both were installed. After my refund I paid handsomely for 2GB of Corsair XMS Platinum DDR500, and they run great in my system. BTW I had the Advance Modules chips (my long and sordid saga is detailed pretty early in this thread).
 
Dew itt right said:
Is there a decent RAM test I can use that can be executed in Windows?
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Not really because Windows occupies too much memory that can't be tested. Go get Memtest86+ and create either a boot floppy or a boot CD. It loads a very small footprint Linux bootstrap that runs the memory test automatically, you don't have to configure anything unless you want some specialized tests. Memtest is pretty much the standard memory testing tool for system geeks, and it's free.

Link: http://www.memtest.org
 
Make sure you let it complete at least one full pass, which will take awhile. For best results, start it up before you go to bed or when you're done with the PC for the evening, and let it run overnight through several passes. If, in the morning, you have 0 errors reported, then you're good to go.
 
Guess what I just now got in the snail mail.
Finally after six weeks of email hell with them.
UPDATE: THEY WORK IN BIOSTAR 6100 read on for more

Two advance modules sticks, 1GB each BUT NON-BGA.
Not stubby, ugly chips but the full length chips.

REAL Advance Modules warranty sticker on them.
They look identical to the line micro photos.
You can buy them here from a more trustworthy source for $62 shipped:
http://www.linemicro.com/product.php?id=13274

Label says:
Advance Modules
AM1GD16A7C-N-PC3200
128Mx64
1G,400MHz, CL3

Chips say:
AMTDB1B
DBBU
DDR DXT

double sided board says:
AMI84-04B-00
does NOT have the wavy middle lines like the BGA uglies
has "0508" in middle etched
gold fingers have scratches indicating use/testing

(kinda worried)
About to go try them out on a Biostar Gefore 6100-M7.

UPDATE: folks, these WORK IN BIOSTAR 6100 series!
Running a cool 2gig ram right now @ 210mhz (ddr420) on stock voltage (2.5v)
Timing forced to 2.5-3-3-7 2T (defaults to 3-3-3-8) (onboard video crashes on 1T)
Here's the thing: YOU MUST HAVE BIOSTAR BIOS #14 or later
I am having to run the TFORCE bios on the GEFORCE board
which is fine, I just cannot use the overvolt options until they fix it.
Basically I have to wait for a regular 6100-M7 bios update to come out.

I will have a TFORCE 6100-939 this weekend to try these in dual channel.
Will keep y'all updated if anyone is interested.

Since CPUZ is the only thing that can read the SPD on this mobo for now,
here it how it's reading the dimm:
Dump Module #1
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
00 80 08 07 0D 0C 01 40 00 04 50 50 00 82 08 00 01
10 0E 04 1C 01 02 20 00 60 50 75 50 3C 28 3C 28 01
20 60 60 40 40 00 00 00 00 00 37 41 28 28 50 00 00
30 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF
40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
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added: Biostar just sent me a new bios for my Geforce 6100-M7
CR51MA18.BS dated 10/14 so I was able to gain back my vdimm control on this board.
I am now running 215mhz (ddr430) @ 2.8volts.
I will try for higher tonight after I let the ram burn-in for a bit at this voltage.
 
I finally got a response from the PayPal dispute resolution group today, in my attempt to get their assistance in getting a refund from fastmemoryman.

They want me to provide documentation from a third party describing how these memory sticks (the NCP ram) differ from the ones I requested (the Advance Module ram.)

Considering how little information is available about these modules, I don't really have any ideas on who I could get to provide such documentation. I know from this thread that the Advance modules work in the motherboard I have, and I know from personal experience that the NCP modules do not.

So, this frustrating saga continues... anyone have any suggestions on how I could proceed with this?
 
awdorrin said:
I finally got a response from the PayPal dispute resolution group today, in my attempt to get their assistance in getting a refund from fastmemoryman.

They want me to provide documentation from a third party describing how these memory sticks (the NCP ram) differ from the ones I requested (the Advance Module ram.)

Considering how little information is available about these modules, I don't really have any ideas on who I could get to provide such documentation. I know from this thread that the Advance modules work in the motherboard I have, and I know from personal experience that the NCP modules do not.

So, this frustrating saga continues... anyone have any suggestions on how I could proceed with this?
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you need a statement from a certified comp tech.
 
awdorrin said:
They want me to provide documentation from a third party describing how these memory sticks (the NCP ram) differ from the ones I requested (the Advance Module ram.)
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Well let's put it this way, did you discuss with the seller that you wanted Advance Modules and inquired if they had them? I did like 3 or 4 emails before I bought and put it into the paypal note. So my items were definitely not as promised at first (in fact technically they still aren't but they work and I am exhausted with this so I am calling it quits).

If you have proof he promised that then you shouldn't even need to prove they are different, they just didn't send what they confirmed.

Technically the NCP's are high density just like the Advance Modules. What's different is the SPD info which tells the motherboard how to behave and accept the ram is not as good.

Also note his ad on ebay promises CAS Latencies: 2.5 under specifcations. The NCP are CAS3 aren't they? Well there you go. (BTW the advance are also CAS3 technically according to their SPD but I am running at 2.5-3-3-7)
 
vibe said:
Guess what I just now got in the snail mail.
Finally after six weeks of email hell with them.
UPDATE: THEY WORK IN BIOSTAR 6100 read on for more

Two advance modules sticks, 1GB each BUT NON-BGA.
Not stubby, ugly chips but the full length chips.

<snip>

Label says:
Advance Modules
AM1GD16A7C-N-PC3200
128Mx64
1G,400MHz, CL3

Chips say:
AMTDB1B
DBBU
DDR DXT
<snip>
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Vibe - notice that the label on the Advance Modules which you posted says '128Mx64'
this means that the memory modules are not high density memory chips, but instead are 'standard density' memory. I am not sure if these are the same as the original Advance Modules which fastmemoryman was selling (I don't think they are)

I think you were very lucky to get the standard density modules out of him.

I wonder if I could convince him to exchange my NCP modules for what he sent you...
 
vibe said:
Well let's put it this way, did you discuss with the seller that you wanted Advance Modules and inquired if they had them? I did like 3 or 4 emails before I bought and put it into the paypal note. So my items were definitely not as promised at first (in fact technically they still aren't but they work and I am exhausted with this so I am calling it quits).

If you have proof he promised that then you shouldn't even need to prove they are different, they just didn't send what they confirmed.
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Yes, I did specifically request the Advance Modules. He stated in his response that they would be sent. When I received the NCP memory and contact him I got the standard response that others got about the process of packaging being 'automated' - when I
requested a refund he refused and he refused to guarantee he would send the Advance Modules as a replacement. (which is why I filed with PayPal.)
 
sabrewolf732 said:
you need a statement from a certified comp tech.
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Wonder if a writeup from a friend of mine who is an Electrical Engineer (who minored in CMOS design) would suffice?

I have actually tried emailing both NCP and Advance modules for technical information regarding the memory and haven't had luck with responses yet.
 
awdorrin said:
Vibe - notice that the label on the Advance Modules which you posted says '128Mx64'
this means that the memory modules are not high density memory
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I'm fairly certain these are high density. The part number is listed elsewhere as high density. If they are low density they lost ~$40 on the deal and they don't seem to be willing to do that for anyone.

I wonder if I could convince him to exchange my NCP modules for what he sent you...
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You can try, but don't cancel the dispute until they give you something in writing. Remember it took FOUR weeks to get the ram replaced and roughly 12-15 more emails requesting status. They said they shipped it on the 9th, they I kept asking and nothing showed up after 15 days. Once it hit 15 days they seemed to look into it again and on the 22nd they finally sent it again. All the time they insisted there was no tracking number. Sure enough package showed up with a tracking number.

1. there is more than one person answering email
2. they are idiots and don't read the whole message or history
3. they tell you whatever they want to say and promise anything

So be careful. (for others: they = fastmemoryman )

btw: I am now running them at 220mhz ddr440 2.5-3-3-7 2T @ 2.8volts stable
I can't seem to go to 225mhz at any voltage but that may be my CPU/HT
and I would have to fiddle alot more than I am willing
On the weekend I will have a tforce-939 so I can push them higher.
 
Malatov said:
Before you get TOO excited, make sure you run a complete Memtest86+ test first. Mine apparently worked too, with my system showing 2GB at bootup, but I had BSOD's as soon as I did anything that consumed much memory. Ran Memtest86+ and it always failed one or two tests, conistently, but it wasn't bad modules per se because they each passed 100% individually, just not when both were installed. After my refund I paid handsomely for 2GB of Corsair XMS Platinum DDR500, and they run great in my system. BTW I had the Advance Modules chips (my long and sordid saga is detailed pretty early in this thread).
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Sorry to inturrupt, but I tested my (2) 1Gb NCP's (together) at their stock 3-3-3-8 and memtest ran a full pass w/ no errors. So I tinkered with it, set it to 2.5-3-3-7 and let it run over night and memtest ran 8 hours with no errors. Am I in the clear yet? This buy seems to have paid off big time.
 
Dew itt right said:
Sorry to inturrupt, but I tested my (2) 1Gb NCP's (together) at their stock 3-3-3-8 and memtest ran a full pass w/ no errors. So I tinkered with it, set it to 2.5-3-3-7 and let it run over night and memtest ran 8 hours with no errors. Am I in the clear yet? This buy seems to have paid off big time.
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You should be okay but memtest is not the "end all" test that some people make it out to be. Windows puts loads on ram in different ways. I can run memtest on my memory @ 225mhz but it won't completely boot in windows.

What I am dying to find out is if my ram will run in dual channel.
Are you using a 939 board? Have you attempted dual channel on the NCPs? You mentioned the sticks had slightly different chip numbers so that might be a problem in your case. Mine are virtually identical but that's no guarantee either as the memory controller on the cpu can be picky.
 
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