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LG 48CX

They aren't FALD and they are then ~ 1000:1 contrast IPS. That is junk for any media (any video content, imagery, games) going forward for my tastes even aside from the fact that they are 400 - 450nit and not HDR. Those are FALD/OLED, HDR, and HDMI 2.1 (40 to 48Gbps+) price tags on those screens as well yet they lack all of those features.
 
elvn said:
They aren't FALD and they are then ~ 1000:1 contrast IPS. That is junk for any media (any video content, imagery, games) going forward for my tastes even aside from the fact that they are 400 - 450nit and not HDR. Those are FALD/OLED, HDR, and HDMI 2.1 (40 to 48Gbps+) price tags on those screens as well yet they lack all of those features.
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And yet people like me ditched the TV for a projector setup with not even half of the contrast and even worse blacks.

Contrast, Brightness and black levels aren't the only factors.

I'm however eagerly awaiting my 55CX for casual gaming and pure picture godness. Hopefully tomorrow's the day. Just hope my wife doesn't find out about it haha
 
I have a 3000:1 contrast g-sync VA 1440p LG in between two ~ 7000:1 contrast (and accompanying black depth) 4k 60hz VA samsung TVs and I can't even stand playing movies on the 2500:1 to 3000:1 display compared to the 7000:1 screens. It's that huge of a difference. 1000:1 and less are pitiful for media like gaming and 4k movies.

I only game on the 1440 one b/c it has g-sync and 120hz+ gaming , for now, until I get a 120hz VRR OLED (+HDR)
 
Isn't Nano IPS just LG's name for Quantum Dots since that is Samsung's naming thing? I have an Acer X27 which uses a Quantum Dot IPS panel so it's essentially the same thing as these Nano IPS panels. I will say that yes in super bright colors the IPS can hold it's own against OLED pretty well, but as you approach darker and darker scenes the OLED's per pixel contrast and true blacks are going to shit all over it even in SDR. Basically the less colorful your scene is, the less impressive it gets against OLED.
 
I have a Predator X27 and I would buy an OLED only for HDR. In SDR at 200 nits, the X27 is great with minimal blooming. The Asus PA32UCG with 120 Hz and VRR is the only monitor with better specs.

However, SDR is dead. All movies and games are HDR, so the decision is already made.
 
MistaSparkul said:
Isn't Nano IPS just LG's name for Quantum Dots since that is Samsung's naming thing? I have an Acer X27 which uses a Quantum Dot IPS panel so it's essentially the same thing as these Nano IPS panels. I will say that yes in super bright colors the IPS can hold it's own against OLED pretty well, but as you approach darker and darker scenes the OLED's per pixel contrast and true blacks are going to shit all over it even in SDR. Basically the less colorful your scene is, the less impressive it gets against OLED.
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I'd say the lower the overall scene brightness would be a more accurate way to say it. I play a lot of dark games with a lot of bright colorful creatures and FX in dark scenes. Low contrast non-fald IPS pale by comparison, literally. That also goes for movies too. Media in general.

Monstieur said:
I have a Predator X27 and I would buy an OLED only for HDR. In SDR at 200 nits, the X27 is great with minimal blooming.
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Fald and dual layer LCD are the only things that can compare. That x38 is charging FALD, HDR, 40Gbps+ modern connector prices for 400nit sdr on what I think is an edge lit screen. The x27 is only 13" tall which I've grown out of (at least the x38 is larger and taller at around 15.5" but still). So niether would fit the bill for me - and the x27 at the "dp tax" price with it's limited bandwidth - no hdmi 2.1 for 3000 series gpus and next gen consoles. If anything was compariable I'd be weighing vs a more modern density FALD TV if any had full hdmi 2.1 + VRR like the LG OLEDs do. Maybe some will next year though. LG OLED is ahead of the pack with hdmi 2.1 VRR (even if it has some growing pains atm), just like NVIDIA was way ahead when it forced variable refresh rate to market with g-sync and now is pushing hdmi 2.1 VRR with TV partnerships (and also pushing RTX raytracing, DLSS, etc ahead of everyone, too).
 
elvn said:
I'd say the lower the overall scene brightness would be a more accurate way to say it. I play a lot of dark games with a lot of bright colorful creatures and FX in dark scenes. Low contrast non-fald IPS pale by comparison, literally. That also goes for movies too. Media in general.



Fald and dual layer LCD are the only things that can compare. That x38 is charging FALD, HDR, 40Gbps+ modern connector prices for 400nit sdr on what I think is an edge lit screen. The x27 is only 13" tall which I've grown out of (at least the x38 is larger and taller at around 15.5" but still). So niether would fit the bill for me - and the x27 at the "dp tax" price with it's limited bandwidth - no hdmi 2.1 for 3000 series gpus and next gen consoles. If anything was compariable I'd be weighing vs a more modern density FALD TV if any had full hdmi 2.1 + VRR like the LG OLEDs do. Maybe some will next year though. LG OLED is ahead of the pack with hdmi 2.1 VRR (even if it has some growing pains atm), just like NVIDIA was way ahead when it forced variable refresh rate to market with g-sync and now is pushing hdmi 2.1 VRR with TV partnerships (and also pushing RTX raytracing, DLSS, etc ahead of everyone, too).
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I suppose that's a better way to put it. Point is that even in just SDR content, an IPS panel isn't always going to be matching closely to an OLED. And nobody should be buying an X27 at this point anymore, it was the best option back in 2018 and I surely got my money's worth out of it, but now the CX48 simply destroys it in all categories except peak brightness, all while being cheaper to boot.
 
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Just a reminder that while FALD LCD are considerable brighter, the peak brightness they quote is not the actual brightness throughout actual scenes in media and games because they have to offset their FALD zones against each other dynmaically in varied scenes to limit blooming. This results in a loss of detail including detail in colors not just blacks, and lower brightness than they would be if they didn't have to balance their zone brightness/dimness against each other (unlike a dual layer lcd for example or an OLED).. The firmwares on FALD displays lean into either a glowing halo or a "dimming~dark halo" (so to speak) offset depending on the mfg's firmware. That is why OLED still typically win "blind" HDR tests, because the contrast and color volume, detail-in-colors, detail-in-blacks is per pixel.
 
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Is this guy saying the cx is not true 2.1? Can anyone enlightening me.
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According to some reports on the LG OLED gaming thread on AVSforum, 4k 10bit 444 120hz VRR/g-sync is still stuttering but if you drop to 4:2:0 in 8bit it doesn't stutter. Hopefully this is just a nvidia driver / LG firmware issue that will be fixed rather than a hardware limitation of the TV itself.

This looks like it is still a very early adopter ~ beta phase of drivers and firmware so far but I'm hopeful.

It is perfectly smooth in 4:2:0 8bit mode, so it is just a matter of LG fixing his implementation in 4:4:4 mode, if they can. And there is a g sync sticker on the box, it is not like it is a free sync only screen that « may » be compatible with g sync « unofficially ». LG advertised for it.
Could be debatable though. I don’t know if LG will be committed to make this work fully in all modes, but I knowing that PS5 and Xbox series x are right around the corner with similar features (vrr, 4K, 120fps) + they already made a lot of promises about g sync in 4K already on previous C9 gen, it would be very disappointing for buyers if they fail us again on the CX gen. hopefully LG is commited to get things done for real.
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elvn said:
They aren't FALD and they are then ~ 1000:1 contrast IPS. That is junk for any media (any video content, imagery, games) going forward for my tastes even aside from the fact that they are 400 - 450nit and not HDR. Those are FALD/OLED, HDR, and HDMI 2.1 (40 to 48Gbps+) price tags on those screens as well yet they lack all of those features.
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You really haven't seen this 38" Nano-IPS panel in person have you?

I have compared it to my LG E6 Oled, and before my 38GL950G I had an Asus XG438Q, that was a VA panel with 10x more contrast ratio, and I compared the overall picture quality to the 38GL950G side by side, and I can tell you the Nano-IPS 38GL950G absolutely crapped all over the XG438Q in image quality. Games look 100x more vibrant and pretty. You really wonder why LG priced this 38" so high, I would say one reason is because it's image quality is nothing short of superb. You shouldn't really downplay it until you see one in IRL.
 
Finally (FINALLY!!!) snagged a 3080 FE from Best Buy today. Incoming on Tuesday. Will finally be able to do some HDMI 2.1 goodness on my CX.
 
Jctricky said:
I have this i have the last nvidia driver i am french i am not sure that the last firmware is out in france.

I have this on 4k@120 full rgb and gsync
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I have the same issue maybe 1/5 times i turn on the tv. It is solved for me by disabling then re-enabling instant game response. For it to work at all, you need 03.11.25 or 03.11.26.
 
I got this display for my bedroom TV. Very nice. Out of the box settings are not good, but after tweaking I believe it is better than my older Panasonic VT60 plasma for video/home theater.

There is some color shift to red at extreme viewing angles which plasma does not have.

The onboard processor is excellent and the netflix app in particular provides instantaneous response to commands over wifi. It simply loads netflix programs instantly with no load times. My older Roku 3 takes several seconds to load a netflix show or film.

The black levels are so good that a black screen looks like the TV is actually off, and in a dark room the blacks are as dark as the room itself. Definitely better than plasma, which was no slouch but not like this.

The screen is also much brighter than plasma and there seems to be an almost infinite amount of dynamic range to the picture.

Disney plus and the dolbyvision versions of the Marvel MCU films are incredible. You have to see it for yourself.

The sheer amount of settings for calibration and customization is almost overwhelming. There is a bit of a learning curve in navigating through the menus.

The question is do I remove this from bedroom and make this the crown jewel of a new gaming battle-station and get the bigger 55 inch to wallmount in the bedroom instead. 48 is too large for a desktop, but now that I see how sharp 4K I see the appeal of the larger models even in a smaller room. Even 1080p content is laser sharp at couch distances.

The panel is fast. On Thor, in dolbyvision through disneyplus, when Thor materializes on earth, for the first time I could spot the frame that becomes the still image of Thor’s silhouette descending to the ground through the bifrost that Natile Portman’s character’s captures of him and pins to her board—but in motion.

Having said that, there is probably room for improvement in how motion is handled and I have heard Sony’s OLEDs are a step up from the LG in this regard. Motion is not quite as natural or true to the source as the plasma, even with all the processing turned off. It is hard to explain but during certain scenes where the camera pans, I sense some limitation in the hardware’s ability and I feel like I am watching the TV itself and not the source. A sort of judder. I am wondering if this can be mitigated through tweaking settings. This is less apparent with 4K material. It could be the way it handles 1080p content. Or perhaps I am seeing artifacts in the source material I never noticed before.

I think the display would benefit tremendously from professional calibration.

Considering what an incredible image my plasma produces for 1080p gaming, I suspect this TV and its gsync, 4k and hdr capabilities would make for a truly next gen experience.
 
For Windows text rendering, grayscale antialiasing does seem to be the best option. It causes a bit of issues with some fonts on GDI apps but in general looks better on websites etc.

I had been running Chrome with the "--disable-lcd-text" flag which helped with text rendering but this seems to cause 3D acceleration to be turned off and would become an issue when playing 8K videos on YouTube for example as my 3700X would get its CPU pegged. There were also tearing issues when scrolling some websites that I thought might be because no G-Sync via my Club3D adapter but turns out it was the software rendering.

MacOS is just plain better for OLED text rendering.
 
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Blackstone said:
I got this display for my bedroom TV. Very nice. Out of the box settings are not good, but after tweaking I believe it is better than my older Panasonic VT60 plasma for video/home theater.

There is some color shift to red at extreme viewing angles which plasma does not have.

The onboard processor is excellent and the netflix app in particular provides instantaneous response to commands over wifi. It simply loads netflix programs instantly with no load times. My older Roku 3 takes several seconds to load a netflix show or film.

The black levels are so good that a black screen looks like the TV is actually off, and in a dark room the blacks are as dark as the room itself. Definitely better than plasma, which was no slouch but not like this.

The screen is also much brighter than plasma and there seems to be an almost infinite amount of dynamic range to the picture.

Disney plus and the dolbyvision versions of the Marvel MCU films are incredible. You have to see it for yourself.

The sheer amount of settings for calibration and customization is almost overwhelming. There is a bit of a learning curve in navigating through the menus.

The question is do I remove this from bedroom and make this the crown jewel of a new gaming battle-station and get the bigger 55 inch to wallmount in the bedroom instead. 48 is too large for a desktop, but now that I see how sharp 4K I see the appeal of the larger models even in a smaller room. Even 1080p content is laser sharp at couch distances.

The panel is fast. On Thor, in dolbyvision through disneyplus, when Thor materializes on earth, for the first time I could spot the frame that becomes the still image of Thor’s silhouette descending to the ground through the bifrost that Natile Portman’s character’s captures of him and pins to her board—but in motion.

Having said that, there is probably room for improvement in how motion is handled and I have heard Sony’s OLEDs are a step up from the LG in this regard. Motion is not quite as natural or true to the source as the plasma, even with all the processing turned off. It is hard to explain but during certain scenes where the camera pans, I sense some limitation in the hardware’s ability and I feel like I am watching the TV itself and not the source. A sort of judder. I am wondering if this can be mitigated through tweaking settings. This is less apparent with 4K material. It could be the way it handles 1080p content. Or perhaps I am seeing artifacts in the source material I never noticed before.

I think the display would benefit tremendously from professional calibration.

Considering what an incredible image my plasma produces for 1080p gaming, I suspect this TV and its gsync, 4k and hdr capabilities would make for a truly next gen experience.
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Thank you for sharing your experience. I've been a plasma guy (Pioneer Kuro) for several years and I just couldn't get along with backlit LCDs and it's always interesting reading experiences from guys who switched to OLED. This makes me even more excited for the arrival of my CX and being able to compare both techs in my home. Luckily I only want this as a pure gaming display so I don't care about motion (for TV content) too much.

Regarding to Sony: their Frame Interpolation and motion processing is - in my opinion - miles ahead of everything else in the industry. I always was absolutely anti-motion processing, but at least on my projector I couldn't live without it anymore. I always discarded the idea of using FI (and honestly always thought it would be the same soap opera crap across all tech) until I actually experienced Sony's motion processing myself.
 
Blackstone said:
Having said that, there is probably room for improvement in how motion is handled and I have heard Sony’s OLEDs are a step up from the LG in this regard. Motion is not quite as natural or true to the source as the plasma, even with all the processing turned off. It is hard to explain but during certain scenes where the camera pans, I sense some limitation in the hardware’s ability and I feel like I am watching the TV itself and not the source. A sort of judder. I am wondering if this can be mitigated through tweaking settings. This is less apparent with 4K material. It could be the way it handles 1080p content. Or perhaps I am seeing artifacts in the source material I never noticed before.
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Welcome to the downside of OLEDs - sample and hold screws up motion on OLEDs because of the instantaneous pixel change. BFI was created to address this but isn't perfect yet. The good news is that motion processing actually can improve OLED motion without creating much if any soap opera effect unlike on past tech. So my recommendation is to play around with BFI, interp, etc until the motion looks better to you. And again unfortunately, you may need to mess with these settings every time there's an update/different content/different source etc.....

And welcome to the waiting for functioning HDMI 2.1 devices club.

Also considering all the issues with HDMI 2.1 and the fact that the new consoles are coming out next month before all the HDMI 2.1 are worked out... I really hope we aren't all in for a complete shit show with PS5 and Xbox X
 
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I use a benq hdmi 2.1 cable, is this issue is relative to the cable ? Do you know a good brand of hdmi 2.1 cable ?
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You do know that any 8K HDMI cable is going to work as well right? And those have been out for well over a year. You do not need a cable that says HDMI 2.1
 
steiNetti said:
Thank you for sharing your experience. I've been a plasma guy (Pioneer Kuro) for several years and I just couldn't get along with backlit LCDs and it's always interesting reading experiences from guys who switched to OLED. This makes me even more excited for the arrival of my CX and being able to compare both techs in my home. Luckily I only want this as a pure gaming display so I don't care about motion (for TV content) too much.

Regarding to Sony: their Frame Interpolation and motion processing is - in my opinion - miles ahead of everything else in the industry. I always was absolutely anti-motion processing, but at least on my projector I couldn't live without it anymore. I always discarded the idea of using FI (and honestly always thought it would be the same soap opera crap across all tech) until I actually experienced Sony's motion processing myself.
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Actually this replaced an 11 year old Panasonic G25 which was the first they made with Kuro DNA after Pioneer went out of the TV business. That TV was heating up the bedroom so I switched. I also have the VT60 downstairs which was the last and probably best plasma made. This is probably better in every way except motion. Again, something about the way things pan feels slightly off. You would not notice it if you were not coming from a plasma, but it is there. This is fantastic—as a gaming display this will melt brains. For a high end home theater where film is the priority, the Sony probably deserves consideration. If you disable all the processing, this gets you pretty close with respect to motion. It is more detailed, but ever so slightly less natural looking than plasma.

On the other hand, the plasma was a space heater and this throws no heat and uses 1/4 the power.

I could easily recommend this as a replacement for a plasma, however. The black levels and shadow detail is superior. It is brighter and performs better in bright rooms than plasma. You won’t be disappointed. Throw in GSYNC and this is a no brainer for gaming. The picture is a lot cleaner—there is no plasma noise. Really good stuff. The Sony might be the better home theater display but this may very well be the best all around Multipurpose display on the market.

The smart TV functionality is also fantastic. Plex, Disney, Netflix, everything works faster and better than my Roku. Really impressive.
 
kasakka said:
This guy should not be watched at all. He has some weird chip on his shoulder about OLEDs and is generally just plain wrong. Do not support this channel.
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What does he mean it is downgraded HDMI 2.1? Are you telling me of the CX is worse than the C9?
 
So they downgraded the freakin ports from last years model and it is not full 48Gbps HDMI 2.1. Fine for the bedroom but I am not buying another one for gaming. I’m sure it is killer for gaming but for $1,500 it should have the full spec. I really can’t believe they did that.

The new video cards can utilize the full 48Gbps, correct?
 
Blackstone said:
So they downgraded the freakin ports from last years model and it is not full 48Gbps HDMI 2.1. Fine for the bedroom but I am not buying another one for gaming. I’m sure it is killer for gaming but for $1,500 it should have the full spec. I really can’t believe they did that.

The new video cards can utilize the full 48Gbps, correct?
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48 Gbps = 4k120 4:4:4 12-bit
40 Gbps = 4k120 4:4:4 10-bit

12-bit is only really necessary if you're at 3000-nits or above. This TV maxes at around 750-nits. Also, this is a 10-bit panel; 12-bit is useless.

I understand what you're saying, but seriously, it's a non-issue.


I don't usually say this about a youtuber, but QUANTUM TV is cancer. His videos are full of misinformation about nothing. The CX OLED is literally THE BEST gaming TV on the market, full stop. The C9 is also amazing, but it doesn't have a 48" model.
 
madpistol said:
48 Gbps = 4k120 4:4:4 12-bit
40 Gbps = 4k120 4:4:4 10-bit

12-bit is only really necessary if you're at 3000-nits or above. This TV maxes at around 750-nits. Also, this is a 10-bit panel; 12-bit is useless.

I understand what you're saying, but seriously, it's a non-issue.
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Yes, it's been discussed several times in this thread (I know it's large) and elsewhere.

I wish the OP could be updated with all of these little things that keep coming up, as well as setup guides for the best PC settings, etc. It would make it easy for people to find the info without having to dig through thousands of posts.

Also, the C9 doesn't have BFI. Fwiw.
 
So even if it had the additional bandwidth, the panel itself doesn’t support 12 bit?

It doesn’t look like Sony’s offerings go up to 120Hz at 4K so the LG does seems to be the best gaming display at the moment.
 
Blackstone said:
So even if it had the additional bandwidth, the panel itself doesn’t support 12 bit?

It doesn’t look like Sony’s offerings go up to 120Hz at 4K so the LG does seems to be the best gaming display at the moment.
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This is correct. Sony makes some amazing TVs for movie watching, but for gaming, LG has it with GSYNC, 4k120, BFI 120, and a host of other features not found on competing sets.
 
Blackstone said:
So even if it had the additional bandwidth, the panel itself doesn’t support 12 bit?

It doesn’t look like Sony’s offerings go up to 120Hz at 4K so the LG does seems to be the best gaming display at the moment.
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There are no consumer 12bit panels to my knowledge.
 
Blackstone said:
So they downgraded the freakin ports from last years model and it is not full 48Gbps HDMI 2.1. Fine for the bedroom but I am not buying another one for gaming. I’m sure it is killer for gaming but for $1,500 it should have the full spec. I really can’t believe they did that.

The new video cards can utilize the full 48Gbps, correct?
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What's the point of adding the bandwidth necessary for 4k120 12-bit when you have a 10-bit panel? It's a complete non-issue; there's nothing lost whatsoever by using lower bandwidth ports. The only *potential* issue would have been if NVIDIA didn't expose 10-bit over HDMI, which they did, making this a complete non-issue.

The reason they did it was likely due to cost; higher yields on slower speed ports. Same reason the XBXS and PS5 are using 40GBPS ports.
 
gamerk2 said:
What's the point of adding the bandwidth necessary for 4k120 12-bit when you have a 10-bit panel? It's a complete non-issue; there's nothing lost whatsoever by using lower bandwidth ports. The only *potential* issue would have been if NVIDIA didn't expose 10-bit over HDMI, which they did, making this a complete non-issue.

The reason they did it was likely due to cost; higher yields on slower speed ports. Same reason the XBXS and PS5 are using 40GBPS ports.
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The only argument I've heard is that they think sending a 12 bit signal will allow the TV to do processing with more data and make the image look better. It's a pretty weak argument. The only time you use 4k@120hz is for games which wouldn't benefit from it. You have all processing turned off for games to minimize input lag, and even if you left the processing on games wouldn't look better. All the fancy processing is to compensate for low framerate, low resolution, and the limitations of cameras. And if you want to send 12 bit for those just set your refresh rate lower and you have plenty of bandwidth to do so.
 
The extra bandwidth would be pointless for picture quality, but 144Hz would be neat.
I feel that these oled's now are as near perfect as display tech has ever been, and if i upgrade in the future it will be for higher refreshrate.
 
sharknice said:
The only argument I've heard is that they think sending a 12 bit signal will allow the TV to do processing with more data and make the image look better. It's a pretty weak argument. The only time you use 4k@120hz is for games which wouldn't benefit from it. You have all processing turned off for games to minimize input lag, and even if you left the processing on games wouldn't look better. All the fancy processing is to compensate for low framerate, low resolution, and the limitations of cameras. And if you want to send 12 bit for those just set your refresh rate lower and you have plenty of bandwidth to do so.
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Yeah this argument has never made any sense and screams placebo. If the TV can display colors 1 and 2, and you send it 1.7, it gets rounded and displays 2, just like if you sent it 2 in the first place.
 
I jump to the last update of the tv and with my 3080 msi trio x i have some suttering in 4k 120, even if i am at 113 fps, so my question is simple what is the exact range of support of gsync in 4k 120 full rgb ? If i lock the fps at 100 in the nvidia control panel i don't have suttering ... Also is is possible that the sutter is due to the hdmi 2.1 cable ? Is there any good hdm 2.1 certification ?
I have this one :
https://www.amazon.fr/Belkin-Câble-...eywords=belkin+hdmi+2.1&qid=1602400404&sr=8-5
Does it have enough bandwitch ?
 
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What does he mean it is downgraded HDMI 2.1? Are you telling me of the CX is worse than the C9?
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I own both the CX 48" and the C9 65".

The difference in HDMI 2.1 bandwidth between the two results in exactly one difference: No 12-bit color on the CX series. The C9 is capable of 4K 120 Hz 4:4:4 12-bit HDR while CX is capable of 4K 120 Hz 4:4:4 10-bit HDR.

But both the CX and C9 series have a 10-bit panel. So they can't show 12-bit content in the first place. All the C9 can do with the extra bits is use it in internal processing which in theory could allow for better image quality. The practical difference however from what I have seen is exactly zero. I can't tell any image quality difference between the two.

It's also worth mentioning that a lot of other HDMI 2.1 devices are limited to 40 Gbps bandwidth. The new Denon AV receivers are like this and so is the Xbox Series X. PS5 probably too. A Denon representative mentioned in an interview is that this is to reduce costs. They could have went and developed a 48 Gbps controller but felt that spending was better served elsewhere because the practical difference is not worth it.

I repeat, don't watch QuantumTV. He is extremely biased and will do anything to show OLEDs in bad light to get views. He has been doing this bullshit for a long time now.
 
FYI - Ruipro is fixing their cables!

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