LG 48CX

04.80.03 is latest for LG C9 and that was released in June 2020.

She also mentioned that Firmwares were actually sent out in "batches" to TV's.
 
elvn said:
And it's very small screen which is a huge issue. The is no way I'd go back to such a tiny screen. Even a 27" LCD and the comparable ultrawides only have a 13" tall screen... the fw900 22.5" viewable and is only around 12" tall. Triniton CRTs also have aligment/damper lines in them. The FW900 also has convergence issues, focus issues - having to crack open the massive high energy capacitor and electronics laden chasis to tweak internally to keep tight as the settings "loosen" . Lack of per pixel cripsness as they age ("fuzzy/blob edges" like playing consoles on an old CRT TV)... They age into blooming and/or fading over time as they age and there's nothing you can do about it (without replacing parts or the whole CRT) until they eventually die. Also power suck on startup and a blast like a EMP, they are very sensitive to electric noise in the lines, sensitive to magnetic interference (like speakers) and have other issues like radiation, eye fatigue, and no HDR and HDR's much extended color volume pallete which will be more important as time goes on. Also potential signal support considerations from gpus. They also have a fairly long warm up period before their full saturation, contrast, and sharpness are their best again after they've been off or in standby.

So I wouldn't call them perfect by a long shot. What they do have is 1px of motion blur for essentially "zero" blur during high speed FoV movement / controller panning / camera movement but that is a lot of tradeoffs.

At 120fps on 120hz LCD/OLED you get 50% blur reduction down to a "fuzzy" vibration type blur during FoV movement now instead of the smearing blur you get with 60hz and low frame rate gameplay scenarios. That up to 8ms/8px of "fuzzy blur inside of the lines" is most evident when moving the FoV at high speed so how much clarity is lost is in relation to how fast you are moving your FoV around at any given time. It's also depending on staying at 120fps (solid). At different frame rate spans of frame rate averages, you aren't going to be staying at the 50% blur reduction (vs 60hz baseline) level or motion clarity.
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Ill give you the small screen size but you seem to be fishing for issues with something that it doesn't sound like you had the pleasure of owning (or maybe an aged one?).

FW900 did WELL over 60hz (I think i usually had it 100hz if i remember). No eye fatigue at that refresh, I even sat infront of it for 40+ hours straight once. Maybe I had a great unit but my alignment issues were very minimal, and yes a full warm up is relatively long but you had a solid picture after minimal wait.

Sadly top tier LCD motion will probably

(i hesitate to say probably as my ~2012 benq LCDs actually have basically equal motion quality to my CX... And with less input lag)

be better than OLED motion. Instant response, while good on paper, ended up being a very bad thing for sample and hold tech without BFI.

Just to clarify for some of the people with questions about CX BFI: disclaimer - have not bothered testing for over a month now waiting for 2.1...
On auto it is almost as good as max in terms of clarity with a significant but very small increase in input lag (still far better than most other tvs), but it also darkens the image (maybe can live with this at night) and doesn't work with VRR. And unfortunately this is under ideal settings..... generally not plug and play at all. It actually gets thrown out of sync very easily to the point where it is actually increasing the blur - not a joke. Im not hassling with it again until I can get my hands on a bug free 2.1 video card which seems to be an eternity away
 
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elvn said:
you could paint your wall black behind the TV
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I gotta hand it to you guys, you guys come up with some creative solutions. :)

Another option: Vantablack. (actual photo)

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CajunAzn said:
I gotta hand it to you guys, you guys come up with some creative solutions. :)

Another option: Vantablack. (actual photo)

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My pc room is a spare bedroom dedicated to the pc so I can do whatever I want with it. A lot of streamers and gamers tile their walls with LED panels and other changeable color lighting, pop up green screens behind, etc.. so it's not really a stretch to color or cover your wall behind your monitor with black paint, tapestry, or even black sound proofing tiles. I'm still considering the tiles eventually.

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Do like I did in my old theater and cover the walls in black velvet lol made a huge difference. My new room I’m building now will have the first 10 foot in black velvet. In the picture those first ceiling tiles are covered in black velvet. You can see how much darker they are then the black ones I ordered black.
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yes there are several ways you can do it. I'd just warn to be careful of fire hazards with fabrics and electronics in some layouts. The better foam soundproofing tiles actually come soaked in a fire retardant as a safety feature. It makes them smell but the smell will air off if you spread them out for several days somewhere first (according to reviews), which you have to do anyway to allow them to decompress from shipping. Note that some reviewers recommend soaking the foam tiles in water in order to speed up their decompression but this would wash away the fireproofing.

Fabric can light up so I'd be careful to make sure it wasn't extending down to or able to fall onto power strips and outlets, near lamps, etc. I'd considered a wall sized tapestry or curtain but I'd have to make it tall enough so it wasn't hanging on powered things. The soundproofing tiles seem neater (kind of like your black velvet tiles) and they have the bonus of affecting sound more but it could be difficult finding deep enough black colored tiles.
 
Right now - is there ANY reason to choose a 55" CX over a 55" C9 (apart from maybe 120Hz BFI)

Can someone list the pros/cons/differences for both?
 
lludson said:
Tales from Triple CX48's...

I just got my three CX'S to work in SLI surround at 7680x1440 120hz HDR, on my Titan Pascal XP's (one HDMI, 2 DPs).

Loaded up Metro 2033 which I have not played before. Finally worked across three monitors with SLI Surround.
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Excuse me? 3 48" CX?
...pics?
 
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For me the one from the Korean site does not work. Downloading one from my country's site where it was available under the OLED55CX model (for some reason the CX48 is not listed but it does not matter).

Installed 03.11.05 firmware and for me on 2080 Ti and Club3D adapter chroma subsampling issue does not seem to be resolved. Not even at 1080p 120 Hz over HDMI 2.0 cable.
 
kasakka said:
For me the one from the Korean site does not work. Downloading one from my country's site where it was available under the OLED55CX model (for some reason the CX48 is not listed but it does not matter).

Installed 03.11.05 firmware and for me on 2080 Ti and Club3D adapter chroma subsampling issue does not seem to be resolved. Not even at 1080p 120 Hz over HDMI 2.0 cable.
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The install of 03.11.25 from the Korean site worked for me (but god damn was the download bad, I had to restart it like 10 times). I don't have the adapter or a 30series card (yet) but I'll test 1080p and report back.

It doesn't come across the greatest in pictures, but confirmed fixed at 1080p with the 03.11.25 firmware:
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I'd love to hear if Gsync is also fixed for any of you guys lucky enough to grab a 3080.
 
mirkendargen said:
The install of 03.11.25 from the Korean site worked for me (but god damn was the download bad, I had to restart it like 10 times). I don't have the adapter or a 30series card (yet) but I'll test 1080p and report back.
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Oh I see, apparently 03.11.05 is too old then. I guess I need to wait for an update in my region.
 
SoCali said:
According to AVS, Gsync and Chroma are fixed at all resolutions/bit depths available so the CX is golden now.

The real issue remains getting a hold of a 3080/3090.
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If that's the case then they really delivered. I knew they said they would fast-track the update but I really didn't expect it to come so quickly, and sort of expected one issue to be fixed now and the other in a future update.

Yeah...not having a 3080 to fully unleash the beast is really hurting right now! I kind of want to wait on the 20 GB cards, but not sure if I'll be able to hold out.
 
SoCali said:
According to AVS, Gsync and Chroma are fixed at all resolutions/bit depths available so the CX is golden now.

The real issue remains getting a hold of a 3080/3090.
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Golden news! My PNY XLR8 3090 comes in Thursday 10/8! Can't wait to use this display to her full potential.
 
I'm not a hater I'm just a waiter. Early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese. :D

Very good news. Everything should come together nicely in time with a 3090 + LG 48 CX for me now that the smoke is clearing. If I can, I'll get a 3090 (with dual hdmi) ahead of time and see what the LG OLED prices are in november. I should be in business over the holidays at the latest I hope depending on 3090 releases and stock (at retail prices).
 
Now if only they can get a fix out for raised blacks with Dolby Vision. Most of the HDR content I watch is in Dolby Vision so the raised blacks in that has been quite a bummer. Not as bad as having IPS blacks (which is grey actually LUL) but still not the true OLED blacks we all want.
 
I turned QuickStart+ back on also and will see over the next few days if the screen shift bug is fixed as well.
 
MistaSparkul said:
Now if only they can get a fix out for raised blacks with Dolby Vision. Most of the HDR content I watch is in Dolby Vision so the raised blacks in that has been quite a bummer. Not as bad as having IPS blacks (which is grey actually LUL) but still not the true OLED blacks we all want.
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The raised blacks appear in any HDR preset or only in Dolby Vision?
 
I have an RTX 3080 with latest drivers.

-Full RGB 10bit @ 120hz is fantabulous
-Instant game response no longer causes insane screen blinking when activated

- Gsync feels real good!

My body is now ready for Cyberpunk 2077
 
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Those of you getting RTX 30XX cards, be aware, there is an issue with 3rd party builders using inferior filter caps near the GPU on some of the cards. There is supposed to be at least one array of the smaller caps among the six on the back of the GPU, according to nVidia specs. It is speculated that it is causing CTDs on cards with high boost clocks and power limits. The larger/ cheaper caps cannot filter properly at higher current levels, either producing noise and/or they are not capable of charging/ discharging fast enough.
 
vick1000 said:
Those of you getting RTX 30XX cards, be aware, there is an issue with 3rd party builders using inferior filter caps near the GPU on some of the cards. There is supposed to be at least one array of the smaller caps among the six on the back of the GPU, according to nVidia specs. It is speculated that it is causing CTDs on cards with high boost clocks and power limits. The larger/ cheaper caps cannot filter properly at higher current levels, either producing noise and/or they are not capable of charging/ discharging fast enough.
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There is a new NVIDIA driver released today that "fixes" this issue. It's keeping core clocks down under 2.1ghz more around the 2.0 ghz max range. I have a Gigabyte Eagle 3080 and no issues or stability problems even when games hit 2040mhz core. Now, to test the new CX firmware!
 
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Future frame rendering on looks like it was causing the smootthieness issue with bfv and gsync

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Those of you getting RTX 30XX cards, be aware, there is an issue with 3rd party builders using inferior filter caps near the GPU on some of the cards. There is supposed to be at least one array of the smaller caps among the six on the back of the GPU, according to nVidia specs. It is speculated that it is causing CTDs on cards with high boost clocks and power limits. The larger/ cheaper caps cannot filter properly at higher current levels, either producing noise and/or they are not capable of charging/ discharging fast enough.
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It isn't inferior caps. The issue is far more complicated than that.
 
Latest test results with 3080 and CX 48 with updated firmware:

  • Full 4:4:4 chroma and 120hz 4K works like a champ - Gorgeous
  • GSYNC also working great tested at 60, 100, 120hz - Gorgeous
  • Still restricted on custom resolutions over 60hz in NVIDIA Control Panel. I can create 3840 x 1600 @ 60hz but anything over 60hz, I just get a blank screen on the CX. I've tried everything I can think of but no dice
  • My Club 3D adapter arrives tomorrow. I will be testing 2080 Ti and 3080 custom resolutions and over 60hz with the adapter
 
I can confirm the CAC-1085 adapter and 2080 Ti now renders 4K 120 Hz at 4:4:4 with the new CX firmware.
 
Monstieur said:
I can confirm the CAC-1085 adapter and 2080 Ti now renders 4K 120 Hz at 4:4:4 with the new CX firmware.
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Awesome! Looking forward to getting a firmware that works on my TV. The Korean one did not work in my EU CX48, just does not pop up the update dialog.

If Club3D can get VRR working on the adapter, that would make buying a 3080 pretty pointless to me and might as well wait for price drops or "3080 Ti/Super" or whatever.
 
digitalforce said:
Latest test results with 3080 and CX 48 with updated firmware:

  • Still restricted on custom resolutions over 60hz in NVIDIA Control Panel. I can create 3840 x 1600 @ 60hz but anything over 60hz, I just get a blank screen on the CX. I've tried everything I can think of but no dice
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kasakka said:
For me these exact settings work perfectly fine for adding 3840x1600 @ 120 Hz using the Club3D adapter. I would wait for firmware or driver fixes. Setting the desktop to that resolution tends to drop it out of HDR though but you can get 3840x1600 and HDR working together in games just fine.
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Wait. What? kasakka didn't you say in this thread that 3840x1600 @ 120hz works with the club3d adapter? This doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't 120hz work at this rez on an actual 3080 but work on the adapter with a 2080 ti?
 
I've tried to update the PAL version. No success. The new version is 03.11.25 - which isn't available on the UK website yet. An older one is thought (03.11.05), one that isn't pushed yet through OTA (latest OTA for me was 03.10.4). I used that to test if the procedure is correct and it worked through an USB drive on the side of the television.

I've also tried to just rename the Korean Firmware to the filename of the older UK version that did work - but it doesn't trigger the 'Do you want to update' dialog on the screen unfortunately. So we have to wait for a PAL compile.

I have send LG Customer Service an email asking availability as well as why newer firmware is available on the website but not OTA.
 
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