Axman
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It's great news for Epic; just made Apple look worse.But is it fair for Apple to now ban ANY developer that is using the Unreal engine in their products?
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It's great news for Epic; just made Apple look worse.But is it fair for Apple to now ban ANY developer that is using the Unreal engine in their products?
Actually, the real victims of this - Fortnite players on iOS - are apparently seeing right through this publicity stunt and putting the blame squarely on Epic.It's great news for Epic; just made Apple look worse.
I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion. The only people being exploited are Apple customers.the real victims of this - Fortnite players on iOS
iOS users are Apple customers. You two are saying the same thing.I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion. The only people being exploited are Apple customers.
Don't worry, both Epic and Apple customers are getting screwed here, because both are effected by this lawsuit. My hope is that both get screwed in the end as the government needed to step in a decade ago when Apple restricted their devices to their app store and when games introduced the concept of micro-transactions. Both opperate in grey areas. For example Apple sells you a device that you don't have control over where and what apps you install. Epic isn't selling you a game but is massively profiting off outfits and skins that you may or may not own, and can ban your account which doesn't refund any of your purchases since you never owned them to begin with. Both are very anti-consumer and like much of the industry has been getting away with it for years. Apple needs to open up their devices or open up the store, while games like Fortnite needs to let players sell their skins to other players or right back to Epic themselves in the event they no longer have access to their purchased digital goods.I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion. The only people being exploited are Apple customers.
Don't worry, both Epic and Apple customers are getting screwed here, because both are effected by this lawsuit. My hope is that both get screwed in the end as the government needed to step in a decade ago when Apple restricted their devices to their app store and when games introduced the concept of micro-transactions. Both opperate in grey areas. For example Apple sells you a device that you don't have control over where and what apps you install. Epic isn't selling you a game but is massively profiting off outfits and skins that you may or may not own, and can ban your account which doesn't refund any of your purchases since you never owned them to begin with. Both are very anti-consumer and like much of the industry has been getting away with it for years. Apple needs to open up their devices or open up the store, while games like Fortnite needs to let players sell their skins to other players or right back to Epic themselves in the event they no longer have access to their purchased digital goods.
I don't buy Apple.So stop buying fucking devices that you don’t agree with. Honestly you people are like children, expect Apple to fully open their systems and security up because you’re too stupid to buy the products that fit your needs and expectations.
It's called Linux. You know, the thing that manages most of the servers in the world? You can have all the advantages of an open platform while being secure, but it costs money. Specifically it costs Apple money. Apple spent money to make iOS secure from Jailbreaking, and even that they failed. Locking down the OS so you only get apps from the store isn't a benefit to you, but a benefit for Apple so they don't have to pay someone to constantly fix their security holes.You cannot have all the advantages Apple offers while having the relatively open platform Android offers. If it were possible, someone would have done it by now.
I don't buy Apple.
It's called Linux. You know, the thing that manages most of the servers in the world? You can have all the advantages of an open platform while being secure, but it costs money. Specifically it costs Apple money. Apple spent money to make iOS secure from Jailbreaking, and even that they failed. Locking down the OS so you only get apps from the store isn't a benefit to you, but a benefit for Apple so they don't have to pay someone to constantly fix their security holes.
But Facebook says Apple forced the company to delete the notice, dubbing it a violation of the App Store's policy against showing "irrelevant" information to users.
Apple's rules state that an app developer shouldn't "include irrelevant information, including but not limited to information about Apple or the development process."
I'm not saying Android doesn't have it's faults, but Androids problems is that it hardly ever updates. Majority of Android phones never receive updates and this is obviously bad from a security point of view.Android is a modified Linux kernel. Try again.
Actually... there's LineageOS, which is a derivative of Android. Gets updates all the time. Community made OS.You like many people who are armchair experts think you can do a better job than Apple or Google ... so prove it. Make your own mobile platform implementing your superior knowledge and make a fortune.
Apple users cooperation is no longer a factor. The fact is that Apple's platform is anti-competitive and anti-consumer is the reason Apple is in this lawsuit.If you dont but Apple then stop caring and accept that many Apple users make this choice for the benefits that come from the Apple platform and are happy to pay the premium for it.
Your typical iPhone user is a kid because that's what mommy and daddy give them to shut them up. Why else is Epic fighting Apple that'll likely cost them millions in legal fees? Not because the majority of Apple users are Karen's that are too busy taking photos and reading text messages. Apple devices are overpriced toys that adults with Trump checks bought for their kids.Your typical iPhone user doesn’t play garbage kids games and spend their income on skins.
epic should just follow apple rule since ios is apples platform.
since epic wants to make money for a game, they hsould just charge 1000 dollars to install fortnight on ios.
we all know that mac gamers are just spoiled kids anyways.
August 28
Apple Terminates Epic Games Developer Account
"We are disappointed that we have had to terminate the Epic Games account on the App Store. We have worked with the team at Epic Games for many years on their launches and releases. The court recommended that Epic comply with the App Store guidelines while their case moves forward, guidelines they’ve followed for the past decade until they created this situation. Epic has refused. Instead they repeatedly submit Fortnite updates designed to violate the guidelines of the App Store. This is not fair to all other developers on the App Store and is putting customers in the middle of their fight. We hope that we can work together again in the future, but unfortunately that is not possible today."
Even I think they should have complied during this period.
Honestly, I feel Epic has gone too far on this. It was kind of a fun PR stunt, but they should have done what's right for developers once they realized Apple was playing hardball.
I still want to support Unreal Engine, and maybe I can live without exporting to iOS or macOS (honestly, I don't like Apple anyhow), but that is not a fair deal for a lot of developers.
Epic is still more right than Apple regarding this.
Even if they go "too far," it would show weakness to back down.
Show even a drop of fear in this world, and the wolves strike.
How the hell can anyone say Epic is more right. My god they have really managed to sucker everyone that much.
Epic agreed to the terms and conditions contract when they joined the App Store and developer program, those conditions have never changed. Conditions they have since violated and subjected to removal from the App Store and developer accounts. Apple gave them a chance to correct the issue and they chose not to. This was all done as a PR stunt and nothing more, they had all these ads and garbage ready to go before Apple even responded. They wanted this from the beginning and don't care who gets hurt in the process in their pursuit of another 10% revenue.
Just because you don't agree with your credit card fees doesn't mean you can to do whatever the hell you want and you are in the right.
If Epic doesn't like Apple's TOS, they shouldn't have agreed to them and not put the game up on iOS. But of course they did, because money. Now Epic wants to complain about it and expects Apple to roll over. They want to have thier cake and eat it too. And by cake I mean obscene amounts of cash.
Apple's 30% cut is shitty, but I honestly don't know what Epic expected would happen here.
Fuck both of these companies. Fuck them for trying to manipulate consumers into going to war for a corporation.
The same 30% cut that literally every other platform takes from Steam to game consoles... but Apple are just assholes being singled out because... Apple.
I'd be curious what the cut is of IAP/MTX for Valve/Sony/MS, since that's what spurred Epic's actions/suits in the first place. The only figure I could find for Steam was 10% or 15% but the user wasn't positive.
Steam has a few exceptions but it is generally 30% [...] Sony and Microsoft take the same cut
If Epic doesn't like Apple's TOS, they shouldn't have agreed to them and not put the game up on iOS. But of course they did, because money. Now Epic wants to complain about it and expects Apple to roll over. They want to have thier cake and eat it too. And by cake I mean obscene amounts of cash.
Apple's 30% cut is shitty, but I honestly don't know what Epic expected would happen here.
Fuck both of these companies. Fuck them for trying to manipulate consumers into going to war for a corporation.
Good! I would develop apps for iOS if I didn't have to pay a ridiculous monthly fee and could distribute my apps from outside the app store and control my own payments and licensing terms. Screw Apple. As it is now, I still hope they die.
In this case, the argument isn't that people agreed to Apple's terms, it's that Apple's terms are illegal.part of the terms
Break up a monopoly and set stronger precedents for breaking up other tech monopolies.Really, what’s the end game here?
Riiiiight, I keep forgetting that all services and infrastructure should be free for everyone to use at no cost
Break up a monopoly and set stronger precedents for breaking up other tech monopolies.
It's not about market share, it's about business practices. I posted links to the FTC competition guidance earlier. The suit is available in full and explains the allegations.If so, you have a bizarre definition of monopoly.