DrLobotomy
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Someone should arrest this guy and the parent company sued for lying to the public.
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they wont pull it lol.....cause they likely dont even understand any reason to pull itToo late, I made a copy! LOL
You failed logic 101, right? Or you somehow believe fake it till you make it? Or you are invested in hardware companies and want idiots building them so more products will be sold to replace where they destroyed them? Please elaborate your logic for us, because I hate to break it to you, but knowledge is power, and you are saying just try with no knowledge. Do they let anyone who wants to "get out there" perform brain surgery? Rocket surgery? Please, do tell!Meh, someone else can always do it better. Anything that gets people out there an involved in the hobby without doing something outright dangerous is a good thing in my opinion.
9/10ths of the computer building hobby is just getting off your ass and doing it, the other 10% are just style points.
It's like other things in life, someone learns from someone that doesn't know what they are doing and then it goes to spider web from there. The worst is people that argue that they are right and there are four or five other clueless people to make you wrong even though you are right, because "majority wins."I wonder where the over application of thermal paste technique is coming from.
i have talked to 2 people in the last year one resulted in a service call, in regards to thermal paste.
the one guy was rebuilding a refurb and was confused about the thermal paste on the new oem heatsink and was pretty sure he was supposed to leave that alone and apply more to the cpu. Ala this video.
and he had a hard time under standing that you clean that paste off before applying the third party to the cpu . however he did accept that he could just use the heatsink as is and leave the paste alone and all will be fine. whew. disaster averted.
the other guy not so much. answering some q's from a guy about replacing his failing cpu cooler, we came up on the discussion of thermal paste and i told him to clean the top of the cpu thoroughy and reapply a small bead of rice sized paste to the center and then attach his new cooler. a few hours later i get a call that the machine is not booting so i go out to look at it.
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looking at the motherboard i could see he had applied waaaay to much thermal paste. it was leaking out from between the cooler and the cpu. so i took off the cooler and it looked like he used half the tube of paste on the proc'. what was even worse is that when i removed the cpu to clean it up he had some how manged to get paste on the pins and into the socket !! it honestly looked like he had went to war with the paste, and lost. and to top it all off after it was cleaned up and ready to be put back together he questioned me on how little paste i applied to the cpu and was like 'that sure dont look like enough' . I thought to myself well yeah especially in light of how much you used...
so somewhere out there in the vast wasteland of bad info, incorrect application of thermal paste is being spread. even in the light of an article from several years ago that tested the various methods. and in recent time a video that also tested the methods.
whats even more sad is that the guy in this video was given a thermal paste applicator and he didnt even use it !! oh wait he did he used it to tap the cpu in place into the cpu installer doohickey...
It's obvious but I'll say it anyway, that is a surefire way to destroy your RAM at least and probably the board too if you get too aggressive. The video that keeps on giving...
It's like lots of things in life, such precision, you know exactly the torque required. Not a single question remains...You did watch the video right? My first thought was that is was sarcasm and troll bait. Zip ties are now called tweezers? Yet it was unforced error after unforced error. I'm not going to knock a new builder on cable management but his whole deal on the psu shorting? Those are anti-vibration pads. He talks about shorting the system if the psu touches the metal case then screws in the psu to the metal case with metal screws. He obviously has no idea what he's talking about. Then there is the cpu paste on top of paste because more is better. Then the missing heatsink screw. It goes on and on.
Honestly, he's just lazy in doing his job or someone wrote this for him to make him look like an idiot and he didn't know better because he's lazy.
The best line though, regarding motherboards: "Screw in with confidence but don't screw in too hard...".
There's a lot of tolerance for thermal paste. I saw a video of someone that used none, too little, and way too much. Actually has suprisingly little impact.It's like other things in life, someone learns from someone that doesn't know what they are doing and then it goes to spider web from there. The worst is people that argue that they are right and there are four or five other clueless people to make you wrong even though you are right, because "majority wins."
Use this knowledge in all aspects of your life, square peg, round hole, POUND 'ER IN.Based on this video, I decided to plunge forward with a problem build. See, I have an ATX mobo and an ITX case. Yeah, my bad.
So, based on what I learned about PC building from the pro's on this video, I took a saw and cut off the excess parts of the mobo I wouldn't need and which were keeping it from fitting in the case. Then, and this was the hard part, I used a drill to create holes for the ITX mounting studs.
Now, it fits!
There's a lot of tolerance for thermal paste. I saw a video of someone that used none, too little, and way too much. Actually has suprisingly little impact.
I usually do a peasize in the middle, one solid seat and no gaps. Works for me, though I'm sure there's plenty ready to flame over my technique.
Wow, someone make sure to copy the video, it will surely be pulled.
I did too.Too late, I made a copy! LOL
It's like a lot of things in our information age, alway double and even triple check, and sometimes you will see something that is so wrong it's like a what NOT to do video. It's your job to check and make sure the "expurt" is actually correct.I see you lot are jumping on the obvious aspects but there are three bits that really grind my gears
1) Anti-static
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THIS isn't an anti-static band... that is just some rubber band (support some cause...). There is NO earth bonding connection, no 1M-ohm connection to bleed off in a controlled fashion the charge you have or the objects have
THIS is what is needed...
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Notice the strap is bonded to the mat and then the mat+strap are bonded to some EARTH point.
At the very least when I am building I always tie the CASE to EARTH and then bond myself to the case. Also leaving parts in their bags as long as possible or on the bag...
2) Wooden table...
Wood does NOT remove the need for an ESD https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/93293/wood-workbench-as-esd-protection/
3) PSU rubber feet...
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They are not there to stop things shorting... They are there for Anti-vibration. The case of the PSU will be at EARTH potential due to
1) screwing into the case
2) your mains lead (assuming you are in a 3prong plug region
so do you really think those rubber feet are there to stop the case being electrically connected to the PSU?
I spent most of the video wondering why they didn't tell us which CPU they used (other than "hex core" that "supports overclocking").
It turns out, you can actually see it in the video:
"Intel Confidential"
The S-Spec code corresponds to an 8700K, which would make sense, but for some reason they are using an engineering sample?
Maybe he needs the headroom to stream instructional videos on LoL next.Bruh, you gotta realize that no consumer CPU can handle League of Legends. They had to use a special engineering sample from Intel Skunkworks to hit 120 FPS
He's definitely an Apple sheep.He was definitely a rookie being coached incorrectly! Was entertaining to watch lol
But I've met a lot of people that say "but if I read the instructions I won't learn as much."
Usually it's the last words spoken before the PC gives up the "magic smoke."
I'll be here all week folks, next show tomorrow at 7 pm!
That makes sense, and not much in the video did, so essentially look at the video as what not to do. It's the anti-'how to build a PC particle' that destroys the 'how to build a PC particle.'Aside from the numerous mistakes, he could of took the time to do some proper cable management. Anyone with $2000 to burn and sees this embarrassment of a build will quickly walk away.
I would support a citizen's arrest. Or at the very least, someone take the thermal paste away from this guy. Who was it that told him to add more paste to an already pasted heatsink?Someone should arrest this guy and the parent company sued for lying to the public.
I'm usually a person that can take somewhat annoying things, but listening to more than about 5 seconds of this guys voice it's like fingernails on a chalkboard. He's got some major league sibilance going with those s's. Sorry, have to put volume to lowest possible I can hear. The video is comedy gold otherwise.AHHHHHHHHHHH!! That video hurts my brain.
stopped watching after he accused builder of improper ram installation.
stopped watching after he accused builder of improper ram installation. While *most* boards use an A/A B/B setup I've personally had a board or two that was A/B A/B. Also the fact that he's trying to nitpick on PCI lane bandwidth when he's installing a video card that will have no other options other than to use the highest bandwidth lane anyway due to form factor I'd say the real cringe is probably in all the responses calling the verge out.
Yeah guys, the verge did a fantastic job, there is nothing to see here, move along...stopped watching after he accused builder of improper ram installation. While *most* boards use an A/A B/B setup I've personally had a board or two that was A/B A/B. Also the fact that he's trying to nitpick on PCI lane bandwidth when he's installing a video card that will have no other options other than to use the highest bandwidth lane anyway due to form factor I'd say the real cringe is probably in all the responses calling the verge out.
I've never seen such a board in my entire life. The only boards that are 1-2 are the ones with only two dimms.Not "most" boards, damn near ALL OF THEM. I doubt there is any gaming-grade motherboard from the last decade that has a 1-2 or 3-4 dual-channel set up, especially from Intel. I can't even remember that last time I've seen a board that isn't 1-3 or 2-4. Hate to see what the dumbass in the video would have done if handed an enthusiast grade board.
So basically what you're saying: Don't do it properly let the cpu pop it out, because you're clumsy?Here is a tip I haven't seen anyone mention; Leave the plastic cover installed on the retention mechanism, DO NOT remove it by hand. Instead, lift the retention clip, install the CPU, then drop the retention clip (with the plastic still installed) on to the CPU, then clamp down and the plastic cover pops off. Once the plastic pops off, you can safely use your grubby mitts to grab it and put it away for safe keeping. I started doing this after one time my cocks for fingers removed the plastic cover then immediately dropped the cover on the socket pins and bent them, this was immediately after receiving the repaired motherboard after an earlier bending incident FML. I did it right in front of the technician who was showing it to me, fuck I felt like a dolt.
I might get dinged for this, yes he is terrible at building computers, but I am with him that most youtubers are not journalists.
Exactly "tie wraps, wtf are they... must be a spelling mistake, I mean these are geeks that wrote this. Must mean Tweeters"This is similar to my thinking. Just a hunch, but I get a feeling the guy in the video never built one before and was just reading and following along with a really crappy script
I would question this.... the statement about no TIM ... The point of the TIM is to fill in the voids between the two mating surfacesThere's a lot of tolerance for thermal paste. I saw a video of someone that used none, too little, and way too much. Actually has suprisingly little impact.
I usually do a peasize in the middle, one solid seat and no gaps. Works for me, though I'm sure there's plenty ready to flame over my technique.
I should be clear: Use. Thermal. Paste. No way am I advocating not using it in a generally accepted application method / quantity.Exactly "tie wraps, wtf are they... must be a spelling mistake, I mean these are geeks that wrote this. Must mean Tweeters"
Everything about this was scripted and executed by someone with no idea except finding the right face for their video. It couldn't have been vetted by anyone who really knows
I would question this.... the statement about no TIM ... The point of the TIM is to fill in the voids between the two mating surfaces
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Will it work? sure but the thermal resistance will be higher... Now maybe the surface of those instances were "smooth" enough.
This is why I either put a pea blob in the middle and slowly tighten up going around each corner in turn to allow the paste to be squeeze out OR I take a razor and spread it thinly.
Saying that though I am tempted to go for graphite sheet for the next time I change my CPU as this stuff has ridiculously low thermal resistance and is easy to handle PLUS will maximise the heatsink usage due to the x-y characteristics
And that is correct. If there was a convenient way to cold weld then you would get an almost ideal interfaceThat said, I am of the opinion that the best thermal transfer would be achieved with perfectly machined mating services.
everything on the verge should be ridiculed. That site is ran by the thinnest skinned liberals I've ever known. They like to dish out shit, but don't you dare call them out on it. (just like they blocked comments). They actually think their shit smells like roses.