DooKey
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You are starting to sound like shintai and juanrga, that aint a good thing.
So says the AMD version of all of them. LOL.+
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You are starting to sound like shintai and juanrga, that aint a good thing.
So you are focusing on one negative. You should look at the summation:Look at Anandtech's preview, they showed it right there. LOL forgot about that?
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11544/intel-skylake-ep-vs-amd-epyc-7000-cpu-battle-of-the-decade/18
I called it even before Eypc was released, its common sense if you know anything about database programming and how NUMA works.
Ryzen has huge issues with data locality. Eypc even worse. I know exactly how to program around it. But can't do that with older programs. Need updates, and bigger the database the worse/harder, performance and difficulty in fixing its going to be.
This is not BS, its well know where the problem is!
All in all, it must be said that AMD executed very well and delivered a new server CPU that can offer competitive performance for a lower price point in some key markets. Server customers with non-scalar sparse matrix HPC and Big Data applications should especially take notice.
As for Intel, the company has delivered a very attractive and well scaling product. But some of the technological advances in Skylake-SP are overshadowed by the heavy price tags and somewhat "over the top" market segmentation.
So you are focusing on one negative. You should look at the summation:
The whole of the conclusion read like that, far from being as catastrophic as you point out. That is my point. No one believes EPYC will work for everyone, but at its price and in those sectors they do work well in it is a win. It will take time to get anywhere, and likely EPYCs impact wont be truly felt for a year or 2 more.
That is HUGE negative, do you realize any program that needs to cross communicate data needs a database! Think about all the programs that have search features? Amazon, Newegg, any online store, any web search. Any forms with auto fill, any forms period, all are database dependent!
Any server that connects to the web, web services, any server that is needed for CRM, CSM, etc all of these a database driven. Its like 75% of server sales are for databases! Actually its probably higher than 75%, the only place Eypc can compete with is in some HPC spaces, which Intel's offerings do just fine too, so you are left with what? 5% of the effective server market that might be interested in Eypc? What about the other 95%?
This is HUGE! The one thing server CPU's should be good at no matter what, Eypc comes up woefully short!
The world doesn't revolve around databases...
How realistic is a L3 fitted database vs much larger ones?Look at Anandtech's preview, they showed it right there. LOL forgot about that?
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11544/intel-skylake-ep-vs-amd-epyc-7000-cpu-battle-of-the-decade/18
That was reflected in the comments. They claim to have a second review coming, though not sure when. They said AMD claimed setting memory to interleaving would boost performance 10-15%. They were however unable to test as they were cutoff from their connection, out of time.How realistic is a L3 fitted database vs much larger ones?
Yeah its not just RTG, its all of AMD, we will see that in the next 3 Q's lots of red.
They aren't competitive that is the problem, that is why they aren't showing on the bottom line what AMD has been saying in the past Q's and its got Investors spooked, cause if AMD is doing well, it has to be hurting Intel or nV, but those two guys are doing better then usual.
How realistic is a L3 fitted database vs much larger ones?
The world doesn't revolve around databases and there are even ways around that weakness. Does not change the fact that several companies have signed on for Epyc, will see if others will also join in, will take time before you see it make a serious dent in the server world. We used to do tons of simulations in house at Chrysler and Epyc would work just fine for that and anything that could do 90% of peak speed for half the cost we would buy. You got it cranked to 11 on AMD lately unless your holding a ton of Intel stock and are worried I dont think it matters a whole ton to us what Epyc does, would just be more income for AMD and hopefully better competition with Intel. Google and Amazon you may not be into Epyc but that is not the whole market but obviously two companies AMD would like to get, but who knows.
Actually TR has been getting the nod over Intel in many a review. EPYC too has gotten extremely positive reviews. Ryzen originally had positives even on an immature platform, when considering price of CPUs or even adding platform costs Ryzen is a huge win. Discrepancies in performance between a 6 to 8 core mean little to the common consumer the Ryzen platform is geared toward.
In the end Intel’s i9-7900X appears to offer the best combination of singlethreaded performance, multithreaded performance, and efficiency at the $1000 price point. It’s not as fast as AMD’s Ryzen Threadripper in well threaded tasks, but it offers significantly stronger performance in single and lightly threaded workloads while remaining more efficient than the competition. More to the point its performance in multithreaded workloads is really quite good. Given the massive disadvantage it has in core count, the gap in performance is smaller than one would expect. As time goes on I wouldn’t be surprised to see the performance needle move further in favor of Threadripper as these apps are updated to make better use of the high core counts now at their disposal. But for now Intel’s i9-7900X offers extremely stiff resistance to AMD’s Ryzen Threadripper assault.
Everything in computers revolves around databases, even games man. The smallest of programs that have to save data and retrieve them all of it is databases.
You love playing MMO's or online games, all those use giant size databases.
You don't think they matter, but every damn software has some sort of DB in them to make them run. Its the size of that database or multiple databases with aggregate data that hurts Ryzen/Eypc.
Look who liked your post, go figure they drivel on about nothing as well, yet AMD keeps on selling chips. Funny you guys dont like it yet the reviewers all liked it, even serve the home recommend it. I will take their reviews and thoughts over yours.
The only people that say AMD is selling chips, is AMD in presentations, their bottom line isn't showing any change from before outside of margin changes, and even those increased margins aren't anywhere near what AMD forecasted they will be at.
Do you know the entire financial industry, health care industry, government is run off of databases too, and all of these three use very old databases, based off of cobol, fortan, legacy languages that will probably never be updated to newer languages because its too costly for the turn around? Without databases we couldn't really do much with computers in the professional world.
Yeah go figure, all of us actually do work in sectors that use computers daily based on these things. That is why we know. You call yourself an engineer, but still. Stick with mechanical and you will be fine.
Even the software you use to safe your mechanical engineering files, uses a database, just open your files up in notepad or what ever text editor, you will see those files are comprised of multiple files and the save file acts as a header to point to the different parts.
*yawn* Dont you have some stuff to draw.
Databases are used just about everywhere including banks, retail, websites and warehouses. Banks use databases to keep track of customer accounts, balances and deposits. Retail stores can use databases to store prices, customer information, sales information and quantity on hand. Websites use databases to store content, customer login information and preferences and may also store saved user input. Warehouses use databases to manage inventory levels and storage location. Databases are used anywhere that data needs to be stored and easily retrieved. The filing cabinet has all but been replaced by databases.
I imagine the main holdup is Intel's Marketing department trying to figure out how to spin the huge performance gain whilst avoiding bringing any positive light to AMD. Parts have been ready for months if leaks are to be believed.
Yeah I do, but I also have a lunch break ya know .
Basic shit man. The entire cloud is based off of DB's, yet AMD tries to market Eypc for cloud services, its Eypc, Eypc Fail.
Google search is your friend
https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-are-databases-used-in-the-real-world
Yawn is right, I'm yawning, because having a discussion with you, I can turn off my cerebrum and have my cerebellum do all the work.
Canard PC claims we'll see Kaby Lake G with AMD GPU soon: "almost here." I guess if it was for Apple, might coincide with the December iMac Pro release. Mac mini hasn't been refreshed for a while...would that small form factor work well with MCM?
Canard PC claims we'll see Kaby Lake G with AMD GPU soon: "almost here." I guess if it was for Apple, might coincide with the December iMac Pro release. Mac mini hasn't been refreshed for a while...would that small form factor work well with MCM?
Well I know when it comes to financials you turn your brain off, also I love these edits as your mind must work to slow to not get it all the first time.
Will be interesting to see it.
Took a while for a rebuttal btw, both of those are parts of a brain, not turning it off, its just not using higher level functions .
As being an engineer I guess those bio classes weren't something to remember.......
What can I say I have a life outside the forum and the only bio matter I had to worry about was whether or not the airbag would crush your skull or not, it's simple math but perhaps beyond your understanding. As for the APU profits, some is better then none and look at that it's simple math again.
Short term gains don't mean shit in the world of finance, now this is the problem with AMD and why Wall Street is finally seeing all the BS AMD has been stating about Zen, Vega, Polaris, they haven't made any ground.
I don't plan to change my signature soon, but if I was to do it, I would add the above quote verbatim, because it reflects reality very well. I have been fighting HYPE and BS during years. It is heartwarming how the truth is seeing the light finally.
Connect the dots?
Apple suppliers upping production of AMD Radeon Pro Vega GPUs for iMac Pro launch
https://9to5mac.com/2017/10/23/apple-suppliers-imac-pro/
The iMac Pro uses high-end GPUs from AMD including the Radeon Pro Vega 56 and 64 graphics cards; these parts are packaged using a newer 2.5D technology ...
Intel Custom Foundry EMIB
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/foundry/emib.html
Embedded Multi-die Interconnect Bridge (EMIB) is an elegant and cost-effective approach to in-package high density interconnect of heterogeneous chips. ... Instead of using a large silicon interposer typically found in other 2.5D approaches, EMIB ...
Remember when Intel lied about this?
http://www.barrons.com/articles/intel-refutes-rumor-of-licensing-amd-graphics-technology-1495064908
Might not be a lie. If these parts are MCM packages with separate Radeon dies then technically Intel is not licensing the IP but is acting more like an AIB and integrating the part into a board of their own design. Its possible these will use stock Radeon drivers if that's the case.
If its a separate Radeon dies, I really don't see it fitting into thin and light notebooks Its gotta be a very small Vega
Put it this way Polaris uses as much power as a gtx 1080, and we haven't seen the gtx 1080 in any thin and light notebooks. The highest Pascal chip in thin and light is then 1060? Maybe the 1070. That means if its a separate die, they need to be able to get the power consumption below that of the 1070 in notebooks. And added to the thermal density of the MCM package it has to be much lower. Very small Vega, we are talking about rx 460 level or lower performance.
Yeah the report takes a wild leap of faith to go up against nV, its not that, unless they aren't targeting thin and light notebooks.
Well, Nvidia have Max-Q 1080s that are in thin-ish light-ish notebooks like the Asus Zephyrus.