GHOST S1 - When both size & performance matters

noxbit said:
this case looks awesome!

I'm wondering if there's space to put the PSU extension to the side of the I/O shield instead of below the GPU, since it looks like there's right around enough space for it. This would open up space for a taller GPU... I think.
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How do you mean?
 
Pachalski said:
This "base plate" with an opening like the "top plate" has that would allow tubing to enter the Core has not been developed yet. The PSU-bracket is not disturbing the pipes, rather giving them a canal to hold them in place. See image below where an SFX-L is installed, you would need a SFX PSU to let two sets of pipes fit or have the PSU stand on the PSU-bracket instead of hanging:
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Oh, ok. Base plate sounded like something on the bottom of the case. Was hoping for a fan mount on the bottom of the case as an intake, or top hats mountable on the bottom.
 
noxbit said:
this case looks awesome!

I'm wondering if there's space to put the PSU extension to the side of the I/O shield instead of below the GPU, since it looks like there's right around enough space for it. This would open up space for a taller GPU... I think.
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Pachalski said:
How do you mean?
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I'm guessing something like this:

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But I suspect there isn't enough room for this, e.g. because of pci-e extender interference, and there's not enough height.

Or like this:

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But that should restrict the possible cpu cooler choices, no matter where exactly it would be located.
 
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noxbit said:
Nope, I mean to the left of the motherboard; something like this (on phone, sorry I couldn't do this digitally) :
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Yes, sorry, I realized what you meant only after my original post - I updated it before I saw your reply. :)
 
Ah lol, sorry.

And why would that be? If it's, say, in the top area near the PCIe slot (where no cooler would go) wouldn't it be fine?

Edit: how long is the port part of extender before it can bend? if it's like <35mm or so wouldn't you still be able to place big coolers in there?
 
noxbit said:
Ah lol, sorry.

And why would that be? If it's, say, in the top area near the PCIe slot (where no cooler would go) wouldn't it be fine?

Edit: how long is the port part of extender before it can bend? if it's like <35mm or so wouldn't you still be able to place big coolers in there?
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Well... hmm. Might work, albeit a tight fit, but I wonder if it would intrude on any reference no-go zone (not counting pci-e space since there won't be anything there besides the pci-e extender)?

Also, just realized that the Shell ought to present a problem here - it would partially cover the power connector (unless a cut-out in the Shell was made for it).
 
noxbit said:
Nope, I mean to the left of the motherboard; something like this (on phone, sorry I couldn't do this digitally) :
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Beautiful drawing btw that explains it fully. If we chose to go for the wider design it leaves more room for this kind of change, we will look into this for sure. Freeing an additional 10-15mm in GPU height would be golden! The slim version does not leave us many placement options for the power extension.
 
Thank you! By the wider design you mean the one you posted last page that supported coolers like the NH-L9x65, right?

Edit: oh wow, 68.5mm high coolers? this is pretty great! with lower standoffs i think it might even fit the wraith spire (69-70mm) :)
 
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Pachalski said:
Freeing an additional 10-15mm in GPU height would be golden!
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Indeed! That's yet another good reason to go for the wider option. I'm guessing (or rather hoping) you're leaning more heavily than the tower of Pisa towards The Widening (tm)? Although that might perhaps not be the best metaphor since that particular phenomenon isn't generally considered very positive. :)
 
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noxbit said:
Thank you! By the wider design you mean the one you posted last page that supported coolers like the NH-L9x65, right?

Edit: oh wow, 68.5mm high coolers? this is pretty great! with lower standoffs i think it might even fit the wraith spire (69-70mm) :)
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It already has 4mm standoffs.
 
noxbit said:
Thank you! By the wider design you mean the one you posted last page that supported coolers like the NH-L9x65, right?

Edit: oh wow, 68.5mm high coolers? this is pretty great! with lower standoffs i think it might even fit the wraith spire (69-70mm) :)
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illram said:
It already has 4mm standoffs.
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AFAIK 68.5mm would be the absolute maximum if the case is widened, with 4mm standoffs, no filters and in direct contact with the Shell. If so, the Spire wouldn't fit. There's a bunch of other high-efficiency coolers that should fit perfectly though.
 
backfeed said:
AFAIK 68.5mm would be the absolute maximum if the case is widened, with 4mm standoffs, no filters and in direct contact with the Shell. If so, the Spire wouldn't fit. There's a bunch of other high-efficiency coolers that should fit perfectly though.
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oh lmao

still, pretty cool ;)
 
Moving to production phase

Time is limited and there are many opinions to consider. We have been evaluating the last major change for a couple of days now, the wider Core has been produced (from laser cut Plexiglas and 3D prints) and tested.

The major benefits are the following:

· Better CPU cooling compatibility

· Easier build and increased cable management space in the center of the case

· The top grill now has a perfect hole pattern with even margins to each side

· PSU-bracket now fits inside of cooling deck instead of underneath it – allowing us to move the PSU-bracket up in the hanging orientation and making the SFX-L work better in hanging orientation.

· Opens for ODD solution in TopHats


The main cons are the following:

· Larger total case volume, increased by 4%

· More dead space when using TopHats

· Larger footprint


The decision is to go for the wider design. Some will be disappointed, hopefully this decision satisfies most of you.

IO-panel question has been decided to go for 2 * USB type-A 3.1 gen 1 in the standard solution.

We will not be able to satisfy everyone’s preferences with this one product; some compromises are needed for the product to reach the market and we can’t stay in the design phase much longer. We are convinced that the product holds a strong value proposition and embodies the best blend of innovation, performance, design, flexibility and miniaturization currently out there.

We are about to move to the Sample and Tooling phase where most of our efforts will be spent the coming weeks to ensure the Ghost becomes reality. A re-launch take place as soon as we are through these two phases – the plan is intact where the re launch will take place during the summer with deliveries to the first buyers Oct-Nov. If it’ll be through crowdfunding or not is still to be decided.

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noxbit said:
Thank you! By the wider design you mean the one you posted last page that supported coolers like the NH-L9x65, right?

Edit: oh wow, 68.5mm high coolers? this is pretty great! with lower standoffs i think it might even fit the wraith spire (69-70mm) :)
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We tested this and it works but not with large square coolers. This is something we've been forced to disqualify unfortunately
 
Pachalski said:
Moving to production phase

Time is limited and there are many opinions to consider. We have been evaluating the last major change for a couple of days now, the wider Core has been produced (from laser cut Plexiglas and 3D prints) and tested.

The major benefits are the following:

· Better CPU cooling compatibility

· Easier build and increased cable management space in the center of the case

· The top grill now has a perfect hole pattern with even margins to each side

· PSU-bracket now fits inside of cooling deck instead of underneath it – allowing us to move the PSU-bracket up in the hanging orientation and making the SFX-L work better in hanging orientation.

· Opens for ODD solution in TopHats


The main cons are the following:

· Larger total case volume, increased by 4%

· More dead space when using TopHats

· Larger footprint


The decision is to go for the wider design. Some will be disappointed, hopefully this decision satisfies most of you.

IO-panel question has been decided to go for 2 * USB type-A 3.1 gen 1 in the standard solution.

We will not be able to satisfy everyone’s preferences with this one product; some compromises are needed for the product to reach the market and we can’t stay in the design phase much longer. We are convinced that the product holds a strong value proposition and embodies the best blend of innovation, performance, design, flexibility and miniaturization currently out there.

We are about to move to the Sample and Tooling phase where most of our efforts will be spent the coming weeks to ensure the Ghost becomes reality. A re-launch take place as soon as we are through these two phases – the plan is intact where the re launch will take place during the summer with deliveries to the first buyers Oct-Nov. If it’ll be through crowdfunding or not is still to be decided.

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The production unit with the rework got really nice :)

When do you send out a Unit to Sweclockers for serious testing.

Hope before the Kickstarter starts
 
Do you switch the 3M riser to another vendor? Because the riser in the last CAD drawing looks different to the 3M one.
 
Can we see the prototype you tested in action? What were the results? Hardware? Temps? I know it might not be pretty but these are the sort of development steps we love to see.
 
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No Artic White color option? And what about the top panel, is it still black and glossy on all color variations?
 
Ziths said:
No Artic White color option? And what about the top panel, is it still black and glossy on all color variations?
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Only Natural Silver that have Black top panel.

And no White Case yet its impossible before they do some changes and will come later they sayed in this thread, all Silver and White are the most popular and will not come with the first kickstarter
 
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Jonas Mellkvist said:
Only Natural Silver that have Black top panel.

And no White Case yet its impossible before they do some changes and will come later they sayed in this thread, all Silver and White are the most popular and will not come with the first kickstarter
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Color line-up has not yet been set. We are investigating the additional cost of getting the white one done and also the possibility for the buyer to mix and match freely
 
dondan said:
Do you switch the 3M riser to another vendor? Because the riser in the last CAD drawing looks different to the 3M one.
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We will performs tests on 3m and li-heat in a lab environment that we will have access to in a couple of weeks, then decide. Basic test show promising results for li-heat
 
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Jonas Mellkvist said:
The production unit with the rework got really nice :)

When do you send out a Unit to Sweclockers for serious testing.

Hope before the Kickstarter starts
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Did you notice the 120mm fan mounting in the bottom?

Sweclockers will get it well before the launch!
 
Pachalski said:
Did you notice the 120mm fan mounting in the bottom?

Sweclockers will get it well before the launch!
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I read that you have aded 120 mm fan mounting in the bottom but missed it on the pitchures you showed in this thread.

Have been nice to see a pitchure with this fan mounted
 
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illram said:
Can we see the prototype you tested in action? What were the results? Hardware? Temps? I know it might not be pretty but these are the sort of development steps we love to see.
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This.
Pachalski said:
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So glad to hear you are not expecting pretty! Here is a preview from phone.
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Leave the pretty things for the website. Here we should discuss progress and progress is always beautiful no matter how it looks.
 
Pachalski said:
Moving to production phase

Time is limited and there are many opinions to consider. We have been evaluating the last major change for a couple of days now, the wider Core has been produced (from laser cut Plexiglas and 3D prints) and tested.

The major benefits are the following:

· Better CPU cooling compatibility

· Easier build and increased cable management space in the center of the case

· The top grill now has a perfect hole pattern with even margins to each side

· PSU-bracket now fits inside of cooling deck instead of underneath it – allowing us to move the PSU-bracket up in the hanging orientation and making the SFX-L work better in hanging orientation.

· Opens for ODD solution in TopHats


The main cons are the following:

· Larger total case volume, increased by 4%

· More dead space when using TopHats

· Larger footprint


The decision is to go for the wider design. Some will be disappointed, hopefully this decision satisfies most of you.

IO-panel question has been decided to go for 2 * USB type-A 3.1 gen 1 in the standard solution.

We will not be able to satisfy everyone’s preferences with this one product; some compromises are needed for the product to reach the market and we can’t stay in the design phase much longer. We are convinced that the product holds a strong value proposition and embodies the best blend of innovation, performance, design, flexibility and miniaturization currently out there.

We are about to move to the Sample and Tooling phase where most of our efforts will be spent the coming weeks to ensure the Ghost becomes reality. A re-launch take place as soon as we are through these two phases – the plan is intact where the re launch will take place during the summer with deliveries to the first buyers Oct-Nov. If it’ll be through crowdfunding or not is still to be decided.

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For the I/O panel i think the best is 1 type-A 3.0 (blue 20 Pins connector, only 1 port Will be used) and 1 type-C 3.1 Gen2 (new Black connector)
 
Unless I'm mistaken, you were going to have a HDMI port up front. That would have made VR a little easier. Any chance you can keep it?
 
Bladestorm said:
Unless I'm mistaken, you were going to have a HDMI port up front. That would have made VR a little easier. Any chance you can keep it?
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PowerfulSFF said:
Very few people said they wanted it so simply not worth it.
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Also, it was mentioned somewhere that VR (not sure if Vive or Rift) would need at least three usb ports to work well. That would require two internal usb cables, which very few if any motherboards support, or mixing usb 2.0 and 3.0, or incorporating a mini-hub which I expect would raise complexity and cost significantly.

But they will make other i/o module options available later.
 
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backfeed said:
Also, it was mentioned somewhere that VR (not sure if Vive or Rift) would need at least three usb ports to work well. That would require two internal usb cables, which very few if any motherboards support, or mixing usb 2.0 and 3.0, or incorporating a mini-hub which I expect would raise complexity and cost significantly.

But they will make other i/o module options available later.
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Errr... Huh?

What you're thinking about, I believe, is this link, which has nothing to do with the front ports and, specifically, explains why adding more ports does nothing - you need a faster usb controller.

But that's all for the sensors, anyways, which could easily connect to the back. The headsets themselves only require 1 HDMI and 1 USB 3.0 to connect.
 
darksable said:
Errr... Huh?

What you're thinking about, I believe, is this link, which has nothing to do with the front ports and, specifically, explains why adding more ports does nothing - you need a faster usb controller.

But that's all for the sensors, anyways, which could easily connect to the back. The headsets themselves only require 1 HDMI and 1 USB 3.0 to connect.
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No, it was mentioned in a Ghost S1 thread in some forum (here, SFF Forum or Sweclockers) but I don't remember the details. Perhaps I got it all mixed up. Don't know the connection specifics of VR headsets.
 
Wow! You guys nailed the design! I was a little bit disappointed when I heard the Kickstarter, as well as my super early bird backer status, was cancelled. However, the case design seems much better now and you guys have been making progress at blazing speeds.

I am very interested to hear how the liheat PCI extension cables work out. I know Custom_Mod out of the Ukraine uses them with great success. The liheat cables should cut down on wait time and price quite a bit. I am going to snag the Custom_Mod SFX mini case until you guys have yours ready to sell, then jump on board, again ;-)

Keep up the awesome work...
 
G_pea_eS said:
Wow! You guys nailed the design! I was a little bit disappointed when I heard the Kickstarter, as well as my super early bird backer status, was cancelled. However, the case design seems much better now and you guys have been making progress at blazing speeds.

I am very interested to hear how the liheat PCI extension cables work out. I know Custom_Mod out of the Ukraine uses them with great success. The liheat cables should cut down on wait time and price quite a bit. I am going to snag the Custom_Mod SFX mini case until you guys have yours ready to sell, then jump on board, again ;-)

Keep up the awesome work...
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G_pea_eS thanks for that! We are very happy with the results even if some of the decisions have been really hard to make. We will do everything in our power to get this to you as soon as possible! Also we will need everyone's input on the final color options, but more about that later.
 
Don`t know if it is asked that question, but: Why the name of case is GHOST?
 
Vlad502 said:
Don`t know if it is asked that question, but: Why the name of case is GHOST?
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Ghost seamed like a suiting name for something that's supposed to simply blend in, barely be noticed but be able to cause chaos ;)

It is a name that has some sort of connections to the gaming world without beeing to techy or threatening (i.e. Intimidator??). We were aiming to leave some room for imagination and at the same time place it in the "Hero" brand identity bucket among our products.
 
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