Fallout 4

Space_Coyote said:
I went a little nuts for my son this Christmas. Needless to say, he was blown away.

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WOW some nice stuff
 
I've had this thing shelved since only a week after release because it's still basically broken. They still haven't fixed the settlement stats bug when fast traveling out of a settlement, and they still haven't fixed the slow texture loading issue as the engine doesn't take advantage of enough ram/VRAM and even on a high end SSD it takes way to long to stream the new texture data in while traveling around.
 
If you've got a large enough settlement and you fast travel out of it most of the stats go to zero, and then if you don't reload save or fast travel back in the happiness will go to shit and/or you'll get attacked even though you shouldn't have.

I'm not sure what initially happens to trigger the issue in a save game, but once the issue is triggered it'll happen every time you fast travel out. The only way to avoid it is to walk a decent distance away from the settlement and then fast travel.

Unlike most i'm enjoying the game that is here, but all the technical issues mar the experience so much that it becomes a chore to play without the entire game breaking down due to various bugs, and if you don't FIX the bugs as they happen your save game slowly becomes so broken that it'll stay broken if you don't reload and not do whatever broke things down. TBH I should have expected as much because all the prior games are the same, this one is just worse because of settlements.
 
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I've heard that removing all TVs from your settlement can fix that stat bug. I did so and it does seem to have helped, my Sanctuary is at 86 or so happiness now and fairly stable.

That said, I am pretty disappointed in how slowly Bethesda is patching this game.
 
Seriously, CD Projekt runs circles around Bethseda in terms of patching, The Witcher 3 had like 4-5 patches by this time, and not even minimal patches either.
 
Probably because the majority of the team was immediately shifted to whatever the next elder scrolls game is. Although i'll have to say the next elder scrolls is gonna suck if Fallout 4 is any indication because this engine is feeling ancient at this point. Most of the issues with fallout 4 are due to engine flaws that have been around since oblivion.
 
Mchart said:
Probably because the majority of the team was immediately shifted to whatever the next elder scrolls game is. Although i'll have to say the next elder scrolls is gonna suck if Fallout 4 is any indication because this engine is feeling ancient at this point. Most of the issues with fallout 4 are due to engine flaws that have been around since oblivion.
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Most of the issues with Fallout 4 are game design and writing. The engine is a quaternary consideration at this point. This is barely Fallout anymore.
 
They just need a new engine and to let Obsidian make the next one, like with Fallout: NV.

Though I think Obsidian probably got pissed with how they got so screwed out of the money from NV because of the metacritic being one point low.
 
polonyc2 said:
they should give the next Fallout game to BioWare :D
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Fuck that noise.

No modding at all whatsoever. Textures that need LMFAO levels of photo noise added to not look like ass. Animations that would make kids in HS computer art class look like DaVinci... And to boot only a red ending, a green ending, and a blue ending.
 
Skripka said:
Fuck that noise.

No modding at all whatsoever. Textures that need LMFAO levels of photo noise added to not look like ass. Animations that would make kids in HS computer art class look like DaVinci... And to boot only a red ending, a green ending, and a blue ending.
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Uhhh mass effect 3 had a blue red and green and grey ending...

But that's not the only ip bioware can model it after they could do it like never winter nights which would be more like fallout and fallout 2...

Also the mass effect series had fewer game breaking glitches and the engine did not need a titan x to run smooth...
 
Terpfen said:
Most of the issues with Fallout 4 are game design and writing. The engine is a quaternary consideration at this point. This is barely Fallout anymore.
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Assuming you don't like the gameplay. I have no issue with the gameplay and the writing I find irrelevant because it's an explore shit game.

The issue that every user will have is with the crap engine issues and other various scripting bugs.
 
Lunas said:
Uhhh mass effect 3 had a blue red and green and grey ending...

But that's not the only ip bioware can model it after they could do it like never winter nights which would be more like fallout and fallout 2...

Also the mass effect series had fewer game breaking glitches and the engine did not need a titan x to run smooth...
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No it didn't need a Titan to run...

Because all the models and textures and animations look like shit. Also all the game cells were 1/10th the size of fallout.
 
pothb said:
What grey ending?
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you can walk away and leave the blue red and green option to go rot...

also fallout 4 does not NEED 4k textures yet they put them in anyway and you can not even tell te game visually does not look that much better than new vegas and new vegas does not run like ass it still has glitches but less than 3 and 4
 
Isn't that the ending that isn't really an ending? I remember hearing about doing that, though I can't remember the consequence.
 
pothb said:
Isn't that the ending that isn't really an ending? I remember hearing about doing that, though I can't remember the consequence.
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not good
if you do it the reapers win universe resets you might get a scene from the probe that Liara send out with the data on the reapers i don't remember i never chose it.
 
Mchart said:
I've had this thing shelved since only a week after release because it's still basically broken. They still haven't fixed the settlement stats bug when fast traveling out of a settlement, and they still haven't fixed the slow texture loading issue as the engine doesn't take advantage of enough ram/VRAM and even on a high end SSD it takes way to long to stream the new texture data in while traveling around.
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Just stop your whining. The texture loading issue is so minor I barely even notice it. And it doesn't take anything away from my fun. I'm having a blast with the game, and I already put 100+ hours into it. The last game I put over 100 hours into was Mass Effect 2, but that was over a period of a year at least. This game was only released 1.5 months ago.

The game is great, the graphics is far from being ugly. There are bugs and issues, but it's not catastrophic. Ferraris have crap interior build quality, but I'd still drive the shit out of it given the chance. So get your act together and stop acting like spoiled brats. Or you know what? Do whatever you want, don't play the game, it's your loss.
 
M76 said:
It might look great, but it probably runs like crap. Unless you're fine with 20 fps at places.
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No, frame rate is quite good actually. It's not a perfect game but a good one. Hopefully Bethesda has got someone working on a real patch and releases it soon.
 
M76 said:
Just stop your whining. The texture loading issue is so minor I barely even notice it. And it doesn't take anything away from my fun. I'm having a blast with the game, and I already put 100+ hours into it. The last game I put over 100 hours into was Mass Effect 2, but that was over a period of a year at least. This game was only released 1.5 months ago.

The game is great, the graphics is far from being ugly. There are bugs and issues, but it's not catastrophic. Ferraris have crap interior build quality, but I'd still drive the shit out of it given the chance. So get your act together and stop acting like spoiled brats. Or you know what? Do whatever you want, don't play the game, it's your loss.
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You're exactly right. I'll do whatever I want and not play the game due to the bugs that cripple the experience. I think I'll go drive my E63 AMG wagon instead since it isn't a piece of shit BTW. Comparing a game to a car is the dumbest shit I've heard today.

Being called spoiled for wanting a product that isn't a pile of shit is laughable. I don't think you realize just how broken down my 60 hour save game is.
 
Mchart said:
Assuming you don't like the gameplay. I have no issue with the gameplay and the writing I find irrelevant because it's an explore shit game.
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"An explore shit game" still requires you to actually be interested in the shit you are exploring. Bad writing prevents that.
 
I can play elite for days on end and not get bored, so the story is like I said irrelevant to me. What I appreciate is a game that doesn't break over time and make things frustrating to play.
 
Mchart said:
I can play elite for days on end and not get bored, so the story is like I said irrelevant to me. What I appreciate is a game that doesn't break over time and make things frustrating to play.
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I didn't say story. I said writing. Specifically referring to scenario construction and the game's internal logic. Ever wonder why all those Sentry Bots that you find locked up in a cage aren't weathered at all, but Codsworth has 200 years of damage?

It's difficult to appreciate finding stuff when the stuff you find doesn't make sense.
 
M76 said:
Just stop your whining. The texture loading issue is so minor I barely even notice it.
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I actually notice it constantly...every time you fast travel to a new area and walk up to a door/whatever, it will be low res until the game "catches up" 30 seconds or so later. It's pretty bad.

There are numerous other repeatable bugs and Bethesda hasn't said shit as to when we can expect another patch or what is being fixed.

I have 100+ hours into the game too, and will continue to play it, but I can't honestly say they've done a great job with the post-release support so far. It did release as one of the least buggy Bethesda games to date, which is awesome, but there are still a fair amount of bugs and the patch release time has been abysmal.
 
Terpfen said:
I didn't say story. I said writing. Specifically referring to scenario construction and the game's internal logic. Ever wonder why all those Sentry Bots that you find locked up in a cage aren't weathered at all, but Codsworth has 200 years of damage?

It's difficult to appreciate finding stuff when the stuff you find doesn't make sense.
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...maybe just maybe....because Codsworth was outside for 200 years and was in a house that nearly got totally destroyed by a nuclear detonation's shockwave (remember that bomb you witness going off?)? And those Sentry bots you find locked up are in hardened military bunkers and have been for the same duration?


I mean this isn't rocket surgery.

Codsworth being beaten up and Sentry bots that are locked up in cages underground or bunkers actually makes lots of sense if you think about it for 5 seconds.
 
hopefully the long wait between patches means that Bethesda has been doing some major work (hopefully the user interface on PC will get fixed but that might be too much to hope for)
 
Skripka said:
...maybe just maybe....because Codsworth was outside for 200 years and was in a house that nearly got totally destroyed by a nuclear detonation's shockwave (remember that bomb you witness going off?)? And those Sentry bots you find locked up are in hardened military bunkers and have been for the same duration?


I mean this isn't rocket surgery.

Codsworth being beaten up and Sentry bots that are locked up in cages underground or bunkers actually makes lots of sense if you think about it for 5 seconds.
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Or how you find fully charged fusion cores everywhere when nobody except maybe the brotherhood of steel and the enclave have access to create new cores... All the cores you find are ~210 years old they have been in many cases running the power where you find them for 210 years.

Yet they only last like 5 minutes in power armor... Sure if they were at 10% but nope 100
 
Lunas said:
Or how you find fully charged fusion cores everywhere when nobody except maybe the brotherhood of steel and the enclave have access to create new cores... All the cores you find are ~210 years old they have been in many cases running the power where you find them for 210 years.

Yet they only last like 5 minutes in power armor... Sure if they were at 10% but nope 100
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That one is a legit "realism" issue, given battery tech as we know it.

That being said, they could easily make the game with teeth-pulling difficulty and realism...but would anyone other than well, 2 people on [H] want to play it for more than 20 minutes? There are already mods for such issues, and there will be more better ones when GECK is finally out...personally I don't like "games" that require a full-time-life level of personal involvement to play through, mods like Real Needs and so on sure add immersion at first but they quickly sap the fun out of a video game.
 
I have 83 purified water in my inventory. 203 stimpacks. Countless specialty foods that regen HP. The game needs a hardcore mode badly, even on highest difficulty setting.
 
Skripka said:
...maybe just maybe....because Codsworth was outside for 200 years and was in a house that nearly got totally destroyed by a nuclear detonation's shockwave (remember that bomb you witness going off?)? And those Sentry bots you find locked up are in hardened military bunkers and have been for the same duration?
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Except the Sentry Bots are outside in wire cages and have been exposed to the same elements for the same period of time as Codsworth.

The point about Fusion Cores is a good one as well.
 
Skripka said:
That one is a legit "realism" issue, given battery tech as we know it.

That being said, they could easily make the game with teeth-pulling difficulty and realism...but would anyone other than well, 2 people on [H] want to play it for more than 20 minutes? There are already mods for such issues, and there will be more better ones when GECK is finally out...personally I don't like "games" that require a full-time-life level of personal involvement to play through, mods like Real Needs and so on sure add immersion at first but they quickly sap the fun out of a video game.
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This. If I wanted real life I wouldn't be playing this game
 
Skripka said:
That being said, they could easily make the game with teeth-pulling difficulty and realism...but would anyone other than well, 2 people on [H] want to play it for more than 20 minutes? There are already mods for such issues, and there will be more better ones when GECK is finally out...personally I don't like "games" that require a full-time-life level of personal involvement to play through, mods like Real Needs and so on sure add immersion at first but they quickly sap the fun out of a video game.
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exactly...there are flaws and inconsistencies in every video game, movie, book etc...any work of fiction...there are tradeoffs in terms of entertainment value versus 100% scientific accuracy...I don't need 100% realism when playing a game...I get that when I walk outside my door, I just want to be entertained
 
Yeah, if I want real life i'll just go outside and use my honda lawnmower and mow the lawn w/ beer in hand.

In fact I just did that and it was ultimately more satisfying then this game.
 
Terpfen said:
Except the Sentry Bots are outside in wire cages and have been exposed to the same elements for the same period of time as Codsworth.

The point about Fusion Cores is a good one as well.
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There is a mod that fixes it sorta but it makes power armor broken as frig. Upside gatling lasers are viable with it...

In the end what I would like to see is wild fusion cores be set to about 10-20% life left the power use for power armor reduced to 10%-20% of the use it is doing now before perks and Mr handy fuel required for the jet pack instead of doubling the power drain and using ap like it does now... For the jet pack i would like to see the following changes ap and power use removed new cost of either flamer fuel or mr handy fuel and a hover mode you can activate where you can float for a little bit and use vats and shoot it is very cumbersome to fly and shoot using the xbox controller...

Now as for fully charged cores from the brotherhood or the institute you can get Remanufactured fusion cores at a high cost or perhaps you can make them with a high nuclear material cost with recycling nuclear barrels giving large amounts of nuclear material instead of acid...
 
Sometimes i get crashes when closing the game to desktop. Anyone know what causes that? not a big deal since i was exiting the game anyway
 
Terpfen said:
Except the Sentry Bots are outside in wire cages and have been exposed to the same elements for the same period of time as Codsworth.

The point about Fusion Cores is a good one as well.
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It must suck to watch movies with you.
 
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