New Samsung 4k for everyone.

[supermi]

Yes, it's a visual stunner. I'm pretty darn happy.

I haven't updated yet (came with fw 1207), but it sure feels smooth right now. When I first set up PC mode and fired up Arkham Origins I thought "Hmm, looks awesome but doesn't feel as smooth as I remember." Then I realized that I had never turned off AMP on my 7500 and had gotten so used to the smoothness that anything else seemed a little choppy. Plus I'm only using one of my GTX 980s ATM (took one out to test a sound card), so I'm not getting max FPS. I'm sure that's contributing to it as well. Enabling AMP restored the smoothness and motion clarity that I was missing though, so all's gravy there.

Weird thing, though. I believe it was firmware 1207 that brought the huge improvement to Game mode (4:2:2) on the 6700 and 7500. With 1207 on the JS9000, I'm still seeing the degraded quality that was present on the old firmwares (fringing effect on text and muted color palette). Did you notice that too, or did you immediately update?

Hoping that they brought those improvements over to the JS9000 as well, because although Game mode feels extremely fast and responsive in terms of lag and performance, the improved visual fidelity in 1207+ on 6xxx and 7xxx was nice as it looked virtually identical to PC mode. I think I'll hang back on updating the firmware until you and other JS owners can speak on this.

Yes it was degraded when I was on 1007 or something out of the box... 1212 or so gave the quality then the last most recent update kept the quality and added in what felt like noticavly lower lag with amp on

Seriously update the firmware asap

 

[supermi]

I just ordered my JS9000 this morning. Give me your impressions vs the 7500!

Colors colors colors!

I liked how whites looked on the 9000 vs the 7500 out of the box.

Again most current firmware on js9000 vs firmware from about 2 weeks ago 1212 I think on the 7500 feels like less lag.

Screen feels more comfy to my eyes (pwm?)

If you go js9000 do update the firmware, the pq is night and day for game preset and game mode especially with newer vs older firmware. And again the lag feels lower

 

[Nitemare3219]

Colors colors colors!

I liked how whites looked on the 9000 vs the 7500 out of the box.

Again most current firmware on js9000 vs firmware from about 2 weeks ago 1212 I think on the 7500 feels like less lag.

Screen feels more comfy to my eyes (pwm?)

If you go js9000 do update the firmware, the pq is night and day for game preset and game mode especially with newer vs older firmware. And again the lag feels lower

So you're saying the latest firmware on the 9000 feels like lower lag than the 7500? I hope the 9000 doesn't have noticeable lag... Also, what is PQ? I jumped for the 9000 and it'll be here Thursday or Friday.

Out of the box the 7500 has way too cool of a white point... Warm 2 is the most accurate preset for that display, which is what I use when gaming... but I actually like cold whites on the desktop.

 

[Honeydew]

Also, what is PQ?

PQ should be picture quality.

For my fellow JS9000 owners: what picture settings are you guys using? I've decided to use PC mode for all applications, including games, and I've found the "Entertain" preset to be ideal for me. I increase the brightness slightly to 50, but otherwise it's perfect. I don't notice any lag or ghosting in PC mode, so I can't think of a compelling reason to sacrifice color quality in the various Game modes.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

 

[supermi]

So you're saying the latest firmware on the 9000 feels like lower lag than the 7500? I hope the 9000 doesn't have noticeable lag... Also, what is PQ? I jumped for the 9000 and it'll be here Thursday or Friday.

Out of the box the 7500 has way too cool of a white point... Warm 2 is the most accurate preset for that display, which is what I use when gaming... but I actually like cold whites on the desktop.

The lag will either be the same as with the 7500 or lower. My feel tells me lower after the last update... It has been too long since using 1006/1007 on the 7500 to make abfair comparison there but latest firmware as of yesterday on the 9000 feels faster (less lag) than one before ... And I do not remember 1007 on the 9000 feeling any faster but the PQ was worse.

As I was saying it will at worst be the same as the 7500 and at best less lag due to the improved processing power in the full one connect box.

PQ picture quality.

 

[Lateralus]

PQ should be picture quality.

For my fellow JS9000 owners: what picture settings are you guys using? I've decided to use PC mode for all applications, including games, and I've found the "Entertain" preset to be ideal for me. I increase the brightness slightly to 50, but otherwise it's perfect. I don't notice any lag or ghosting in PC mode, so I can't think of a compelling reason to sacrifice color quality in the various Game modes.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

I'm willing to give up PC mode when gaming so that I can enable AMP for its additional motion clarity/performance, and then switch back to PC mode for regular desktop use. That's with firmware 1207 though, and could change with the newer fw. With my 7500 I rarely used PC mode because setting the Device Type to Game looked so close in quality and let me enable AMP and a host of other options that are locked out when in PC mode. I'll probably update tonight; had to take a break from the awesomeness to eat and play with the pups.

 

[michaelvvang]

I can't help but feel 4k is overkill. It will be a while before it is worth it.

 

[Lateralus]

I can't help but feel 4k is overkill. It will be a while before it is worth it.

Cool. Wrong thread, btw. There are spades of people here that will disagree, and tell you that it IS very much "worth it."

Not sure what the point of your post is, exactly. You don't like high resolution graphics and ample desktop real estate for productivity?

 

[supermi]

I can't help but feel 4k is overkill. It will be a while before it is worth it.

Worth it?

You mean cheap to buy?
Or perhaps cheap to buy cards for?

Buy 980ti or titan x or sli either of them and there is no current game you can't ousj to 60fps.

Or is 4k going to magically have more detail/pixels in the future?
Please give some thought and reason to a post like that, especially if in a thread like this.

 

[Cyph]

These guys are spending 2k on a PC display. Worth is obviously relative. Nothing is worth doing unless it's overkill!

 

[supermi]

These guys are spending 2k on a PC display. Worth is obviously relative. Nothing is worth doing unless it's overkill!

My man!!!! Yes!!! Hense my sub zero cooler build!

 

[TDSlam720]

I thought PWM affects you and you feel it but you shouldn't be able to SEE it. Are you sure your unit is not defective? Just throwing that out there.

http://i.imgur.com/Pcg2IPZ.png

This is basically what I can see but lines are more horizontal and not as blatant. Picture it looks like the lines are on top of the image. I can more just see the lights behind the screen flickering up in that horizontal white line pattern. Starting to wear on me a bit. Hard to write up papers or read anything in word. I mean it's not terrible to read, but it's not easy. Just have to unfocus my eyes.

Am I really the only one that's having this sort of issue? I wonder if there's something wrong with the power supply in my TV.

 

[supermi]

http://i.imgur.com/Pcg2IPZ.png

This is basically what I can see but lines are more horizontal and not as blatant. Picture it looks like the lines are on top of the image. I can more just see the lights behind the screen flickering up in that horizontal white line pattern. Starting to wear on me a bit. Hard to write up papers or read anything in word. I mean it's not terrible to read, but it's not easy. Just have to unfocus my eyes.

Am I really the only one that's having this sort of issue? I wonder if there's something wrong with the power supply in my TV.

Replace your set. That does not seam right bro

 

[Brahmzy]

I see PWM as sort of an insanely fast strobe light on white sections. So yes, I can SEE it, not just feel it. Like this white reply box I'm typing in on the black background.
It's real, no doubt about it. My sensitivity got strangely better after about three weeks of using it to the point I'm almost good for about 4-6 hours of use. I don't think I could use this as an office monitor for 8-9 hrs a day, but it'll work at home. It's the most brutal PWM I've ever experienced.

 

[Lateralus]

Yes it was degraded when I was on 1007 or something out of the box... 1212 or so gave the quality then the last most recent update kept the quality and added in what felt like noticavly lower lag with amp on

Seriously update the firmware asap

I updated this morning and you're right.

Degraded quality when not in PC mode is fixed, and she feels GRRREAT!



It felt really exciting to wake up this morning and remember that I had the JS9000 waiting on me in the next room. I am done swapping displays. I'm just thrilled with the picture this thing puts out.

 

[TDSlam720]

I see PWM as sort of an insanely fast strobe light on white sections. So yes, I can SEE it, not just feel it. Like this white reply box I'm typing in on the black background.
It's real, no doubt about it. My sensitivity got strangely better after about three weeks of using it to the point I'm almost good for about 4-6 hours of use. I don't think I could use this as an office monitor for 8-9 hrs a day, but it'll work at home. It's the most brutal PWM I've ever experienced.

Thanks Brahmzy for confirming I'm not losing my mind. Although I was starting to think I had DLSR eyes being able to see the white strobing lines. I'm the same, it doesn't really bother me, but I can see it. It's annoying and kills some of the image quality for me, because the picture doesn't look stable for one, and two i get white light shining through my inky blacks.

I agree on the most brutal PWM. I've used several shitty monitors/tvs before and never noticed it this bad. The funny thing is I think the Samsung trained me to notice PWM more. I never really noticed my monitor at work flickering, but now I do :_(

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

Hmm.

I like this idea, and would really like a curved 40" or 48" J6700-type display, I wish I could see one in PC use before trying it.

I currently sit ~2ft from my 30" IPS Dell U3011, and I wonder what the experience will be like with one of these, comparatively.

I'm pretty nervous about using a TV as a monitor based on my previous experience with picture quality on TV's.

I'm thinking 40" probably would make more sense than 48" based on my seating distance.

Do any of the places that sell these have decent return policies if I were to order one, and hate it, or is it going to cost me an arm and a leg to ship it back plus a huge restocking fee, costing me a combined $200?

 

[Cyph]

Hmm.

I like this idea, and would really like a curved 40" or 48" J6700-type display, I wish I could see one in PC use before trying it.

I currently sit ~2ft from my 30" IPS Dell U3011, and I wonder what the experience will be like with one of these, comparatively.

I'm pretty nervous about using a TV as a monitor based on my previous experience with picture quality on TV's.

I'm thinking 40" probably would make more sense than 48" based on my seating distance.

Do any of the places that sell these have decent return policies if I were to order one, and hate it, or is it going to cost me an arm and a leg to ship it back plus a huge restocking fee, costing me a combined $200?

At 2 ft, a 40" is huge. It will cover most of your vision. Image quality is great. Hope you're not PWM sensitive. The issue you had with previous TV's were because it didn't support 4:4:4 (or 4:2:2). Crutchfield has a 60 day return policy and no tax for most states and no restocking fees as far as I know. There's always Amazon as well.

 

[Lateralus]

Everything Cyph said is spot on. Forget your experience with previous TVs - these are the real deal. Truly like using native PC monitors (with some additional benefits).

40" will be perfect for you. Crutchfield offers a 60 day return window, and you should only have to pay $10 for a return label on the 40".

 

[SilverSliver]

Hmm.

I like this idea, and would really like a curved 40" or 48" J6700-type display, I wish I could see one in PC use before trying it.

I currently sit ~2ft from my 30" IPS Dell U3011, and I wonder what the experience will be like with one of these, comparatively.

I'm pretty nervous about using a TV as a monitor based on my previous experience with picture quality on TV's.

I'm thinking 40" probably would make more sense than 48" based on my seating distance.

Do any of the places that sell these have decent return policies if I were to order one, and hate it, or is it going to cost me an arm and a leg to ship it back plus a huge restocking fee, costing me a combined $200?

I had all of your same concerns. The 40 inch curved is perfect for me, I sit ~30 inches from the screen. Crutchfield is solid, no tax for most states and 60 day return policy for any reason. This is really a monitor that is also a TV. Great value.

 

[supermi]

I updated this morning and you're right.

Degraded quality when not in PC mode is fixed, and she feels GRRREAT!



It felt really exciting to wake up this morning and remember that I had the JS9000 waiting on me in the next room. I am done swapping displays. I'm just thrilled with the picture this thing puts out.

Any not able reduction in lag with any modes?

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

At 2 ft, a 40" is huge. It will cover most of your vision. Image quality is great. Hope you're not PWM sensitive. The issue you had with previous TV's were because it didn't support 4:4:4 (or 4:2:2). Crutchfield has a 60 day return policy and no tax for most states and no restocking fees as far as I know. There's always Amazon as well.

Everything Cyph said is spot on. Forget your experience with previous TVs - these are the real deal. Truly like using native PC monitors (with some additional benefits).

40" will be perfect for you. Crutchfield offers a 60 day return window, and you should only have to pay $10 for a return label on the 40".

I had all of your same concerns. The 40 inch curved is perfect for me, I sit ~30 inches from the screen. Crutchfield is solid, no tax for most states and 60 day return policy for any reason. This is really a monitor that is also a TV. Great value.

Thanks for your replies guys!

I wasnt aware of the PWM issue, and I still don't full understand it. (I thought we were talking about fan control for a second, and couldn't figure out how it relates to monitors )

Does anyone have a good link where I can read up? Googling hasn't made me much wiser on this subject.

 

[SilverSliver]

Thanks for your replies guys!

I wasnt aware of the PWM issue, and I still don't full understand it. (I thought we were talking about fan control for a second, and couldn't figure out how it relates to monitors )

Does anyone have a good link where I can read up? Googling hasn't made me much wiser on this subject.

Don't overthink the PWM. I went through pages upon pages here talking about how PWM literally killed babies. I went into using the monitor not looking for it. It doesn't bother me. Some people are sensitive. I'd say if PWM is your primary concern, order it and worst case it's 10 bucks to ship back.

 

[Honeydew]

Any not able reduction in lag with any modes?

I understand the question was directed at imyourzero, but I'm not able to perceive any ghosting or lag in PC mode on my JS9000. I'm sure I could if someone really trained me to identify it; however, as someone else mentioned earlier, why search for trivial imperfections if they are otherwise inconspicuous.

It should be noted I updated to the latest firmware as soon as I received and configured the display. As a result, I have nothing to compare my current experience with - save my old Dell U3011.

 

[Honeydew]

Degraded quality when not in PC mode is fixed, and she feels GRRREAT!

Perhaps in games, but at the desktop I noticed that black text appeared rather fuzzy against a solid red background.

What AMP modes/options are you using when not in PC mode? Clear? Sharpness to zero?

Update: I just tried Game mode with the Clear AMP option and Sharpness set to zero in the Dynamic PQ preset. If there was an increase in lag/ghosting, it was significantly less conspicuous than the degradation to color quality and text clarity. This is subjective, of course, but I definitely noticed a difference in PQ. I'm willing to try any other Game mode options you folks suggest, but right now the PC mode offers superb PQ with trivial lag/ghosting - at least IMHO.

 

[supermi]

I understand the question was directed at imyourzero, but I'm not able to perceive any ghosting or lag in PC mode on my JS9000. I'm sure I could if someone really trained me to identify it; however, as someone else mentioned earlier, why search for trivial imperfections if they are otherwise inconspicuous.

It should be noted I updated to the latest firmware as soon as I received and configured the display. As a result, I have nothing to compare my current experience with - save my old Dell U3011.

I dont think you understand my question then. Or rather it is directed at whomever has experience with the different firmwares and simply comparing a subjective experience between those firmwares.

I simply asked if you noticed a reduction in lag in any modes (esp amp) with the new firmware vs old firmware or better yet the 7500 (if you used that one).

Is there lag , yes, is there more in amp vs gaming yup, is it debatable nope. Can everyone feel lag the same way nope. (Every display has a measurable amount of lag) it is not a "bad thing" just part of the card to eyes chair right . Lag is an objectively measurable phenomena, but in our subjective experience is is only really noticeable in comparative terms, monitor to monitor, firmware to firmware and mode to mode , just asncokor quality is apparent so are differences in responsiveness to mouse input. You are making assumptions in your reply on it being a negative question and defenting your purchase by that defense.

I found there to be less lag (more responsive with the newer firmware in AMP modes especially) so I asked, more good info is better for the community.

 

[Honeydew]

I dont think you understand my question then.

I simply asked if you noticed a reduction in lag in any modes (esp amp) with the new firmware vs old firmware or better yet the 7500 (if you used that one).

Is there lag , yes, is there more in amp vs gaming yup, is it debatable nope. Can everyone feel lag the same way nope. (Every display has a measurable amount of lag) it is not a "bad thing" just part of the card to eyes chair right .

I found there to be less lag (more responsive with the newer firmware in AMP modes especially) so I asked, more good info is better for the community.

Apologies - I would appear I did misunderstand the question. Also, I'm certainly not claiming there is literally zero lag. I just can't notice it, and thus consider it to be imperceptible to my eyes and brain with my setup.

In this way. I can't think of a reason why I would use the Game mode and some flavor of AMP. If I can't notice the lag in PC mode, which also provides superior PQ via 4:4:4 chroma reproduction and excellent text clarity, why search for a solution? I understand other users may find the various AMP modes to be beneficial to their gaming experience. It is helpful to get a measure of how many folks are using Game/AMP and how many remain on PC.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

Apologies - I would appear I did misunderstand the question. Also, I'm certainly not claiming there is literally zero lag. I just can't notice it, and thus consider it to be imperceptible to my eyes and brain with my setup.

In this way. I can't think of a reason why I would use the Game mode and some flavor of AMP. If I can't notice the lag in PC mode, which also provides superior PQ via 4:4:4 chroma reproduction and excellent text clarity, why search for a solution? I understand other users may find the various AMP modes to be beneficial to their gaming experience. It is helpful to get a measure of how many folks are using Game/AMP and how many remain on PC.

It would seem to me it would depend very much on the type of game you play.

Strategy Game like Civ5, or mmorpg, etc. the 27ms of game mode vs 44ms (or whatever it was) of PC mode likely won't make much of a difference.

Even in single player FPS games it probably won't.

In a fast paced multiplayer FPS, like CS:GO or something like that you bet it would though.

 

[Honeydew]

It would seem to me it would depend very much on the type of game you play.

Strategy Game like Civ5, or mmorpg, etc. the 27ms of game mode vs 44ms (or whatever it was) of PC mode likely won't make much of a difference.

Even in single player FPS games it probably won't.

In a fast paced multiplayer FPS, like CS:GO or something like that you bet it would though.

The only FPS title loaded on my machine, and the reference for my lag/ghosting observations, is ArmA 3. Although not as relevant, everything is fine in CoH 2, DCS, and IL-2:BOS as well.

 

[supermi]

Apologies - I would appear I did misunderstand the question. Also, I'm certainly not claiming there is literally zero lag. I just can't notice it, and thus consider it to be imperceptible to my eyes and brain with my setup.

In this way. I can't think of a reason why I would use the Game mode and some flavor of AMP. If I can't notice the lag in PC mode, which also provides superior PQ via 4:4:4 chroma reproduction and excellent text clarity, why search for a solution? I understand other users may find the various AMP modes to be beneficial to their gaming experience. It is helpful to get a measure of how many folks are using Game/AMP and how many remain on PC.

The Purpose of my questions on this subject to that particular person (as I thought were made clear through the past few pages of conversation but perhaps was not?)

Both he and I had 7500 series and have purchased the 9000 series ... I found the lag to be less or if you prefer a more positive "term" the responsiveness to be better on the most recent firmware on the 9000 than the firmware prior to that (noticeably so) I also found the 9000 on that firmware to be more responsive (less lag) than the 7500 with the most recent firmware as of 2 weeks ago.

Since it has been 2 weeks since I had the 7500 I wanted to check with someone who had it more recently and who also just got the 9000....

The reason being to see if in general the lag is improving or if you prefer responsiveness improving as the firmware mature or is the 9000 most recent firmware to most recent firmware more responsive that the 7500 (as that might suggest a tangible benefit to the 8 core full once connect or perhaps if the 2 series firmware to firmware (both most recent) are not much different that the core count is of less consequence and it is all on the firmware revisions themselves.

I find it interesting to see whether others find the same trend I have or perhaps not as it is only based on personal use rather than measurable tests (cameras etc). and also it might help others choosing between the 7500 and 9000 series to see if people are getting any other benefit besides the color upgrade (which as you can see is also subjective, to me and others it is noticeably better like big time to others a rather small 8% or so and not such a big deal"

I would not dream you are claiming zero lag, the fastest set up out the the Predator has lag LOL this certainly does, is it noticeable? only in comparison to a measurably faster setup or in certain applications/uses where it may show up. I am not seeing how I made it seem a bad thing on this monitor and especially this firmware as I am asking others if they are seeing this trend of improvement? (trying to ascertain if it is in firmware or hardware or just my head LOL)


AMP will have more lag than PC mode as it adds more processing ... it is measurable or at least in past firmware modes MUCH more lag than "game mode" which is the lowest lag mode on this screen (lower than pc mode BTW) and I mean game mode NOT the game label in source selection.

But AMP adds smoother movement and MUCH more clarity for games and smoother desktop movement, the trade off again is more lag ... I am noticing much less lag added by this processing than in past firmware and with the 7500 as of 2 weeks ago , and thus the trade-off for this smoothness is becoming less and less a trade off.

This brings us back to my specific questions to other users who used both sets and multiple firmware's and ALSO use the same AMP mode in the same situations as I do i.e. in game and on desktop (and also values the smooth aspect of such modes)

 

[Lateralus]

Any not able reduction in lag with any modes?

Not really, at least none that I can quantify. It certainly doesn't feel any worse, and may in fact be better, but I can't say definitively one way or the other. Felt great before the update, feels great now.

Thanks for your replies guys!

I wasnt aware of the PWM issue, and I still don't full understand it. (I thought we were talking about fan control for a second, and couldn't figure out how it relates to monitors )

Does anyone have a good link where I can read up? Googling hasn't made me much wiser on this subject.

Here you go, just for informational purposes. But I fully agree with SilverSliver - don't overthink it or expect to see something going in or you run the risk of ruining enjoyment that would otherwise be carefree and without fault.

NCX and Nikyo are our resident PWM doomsayers and claim that these displays are unusable due to the PWM. NCX said in another thread (and undoubtedly this one too, but he and Nikyo have been notably absent after seeing that their crusade was lost as other members' positive posts completely deafened their negative proclamations) that the Samsungs are garbage without ever having used one, based solely on the fact that they use 120Hz PWM. Those guys will advise using smaller, flicker free panels and ignore every single positive trait of these displays, along with the dozens or hundreds of us that are using and loving them.

It would seem to me it would depend very much on the type of game you play.

Strategy Game like Civ5, or mmorpg, etc. the 27ms of game mode vs 44ms (or whatever it was) of PC mode likely won't make much of a difference.

Even in single player FPS games it probably won't.

In a fast paced multiplayer FPS, like CS:GO or something like that you bet it would though.

Yeah. There is no doubt that image quality in PC mode is superior to non-PC mode with AMP enabled, but I find that sometimes the trade-off is worth the extra motion smoothness and clarity. Similarly, although the lag is extremely tolerable in PC mode, sometimes I prefer to enable Game mode because I can feel a noticeable reduction in input lag. If I fire up a game where I can enter first-person mode and then pan the mouse around, the mouse (for me at least) feels significantly crisper/faster and more responsive in Game mode vs. PC mode.

Like Zarathustra[H] said, it really just depends on the game and my mood. Other times I'll go for long stretches were I use PC or Game or AMP modes exclusively without switching for some time. I think it's cool to be able to switch modes and sort of make the display adapt to your situation and preferences.

 

[TDSlam720]

Don't overthink the PWM. I went through pages upon pages here talking about how PWM literally killed babies. I went into using the monitor not looking for it. It doesn't bother me. Some people are sensitive. I'd say if PWM is your primary concern, order it and worst case it's 10 bucks to ship back.

Im not sensitive to PWM at all and this display has the worst flickering I've ever seen in a display. I deal with it because of all the other positives, but the strobing is crazy bad.

 

[Honeydew]

I dont think you understand my question then.

The Purpose of my questions on this subject to that particular person (as I thought were made clear through the past few pages of conversation but perhaps was not?)

I understand the question was directed at imyourzero

I didn't mean to provoke a defensive response. Rather than add any additional confusion to the discussion, I'll just return to the shadows and enjoy my new display.

I would like to thank all of you again for your perspectives and guidance. I'm quite pleased with my purchase, and hope others are as well - in whatever source, mode, or game you choose.

 

[Cyph]

The only FPS title loaded on my machine, and the reference for my lag/ghosting observations, is ArmA 3. Although not as relevant, everything is fine in CoH 2, DCS, and IL-2:BOS as well.

AMP mode is basically 120hz interpolated mode. It works surprisingly well, with trade off being more lag. So if you want to experience 4k at 120Hz, here it is.

This brings us back to my specific questions to other users who used both sets and multiple firmware's and ALSO use the same AMP mode in the same situations as I do i.e. in game and on desktop (and also values the smooth aspect of such modes)

Don't have the JS9000, but with my 7100, I've noticed everything feels better and smother with 2012. I suspect Samsung has improved things as there was about a month between the previous firmware and 2012.

Im not sensitive to PWM at all and this display has the worst flickering I've ever seen in a display. I deal with it because of all the other positives, but the strobing is crazy bad.

You're either sensitive to PWM or your unit is busted. I'm not sensitive to PWM and I (and many others) don't see what you're describing. So are you sensitive or is your TV defective?

 

[TDSlam720]

You're either sensitive to PWM or your unit is busted. I'm not sensitive to PWM and I (and many others) don't see what you're describing. So are you sensitive or is your TV defective?

Getting a little defensive there buddy. Brahmzy just confirmed a few posts ago that he can see the exact same thing I was describing. Plenty of others have mentioned PWM on this thing being rough, BenoitM, Mikeo, I think Supermi had trouble on the 7500, and SGSeeker went as far as to mod his... Not sure why you're taking offense to it.

 

[Cyph]

Getting a little defensive there buddy. Brahmzy just confirmed a few posts ago that he can see the exact same thing I was describing. Plenty of others have mentioned PWM on this thing being rough, BenoitM, Mikeo, I think Supermi had trouble on the 7500, and SGSeeker went as far as to mod his... Not sure why you're taking offense to it.

I'm not defensive. Just trying to get the facts right.

Brahmzy is PWM-senstive that's why he sees it. Hey, if there are others who are not feeling the effect of PWM but sees it, then speak up. It would be new info.

 

[TDSlam720]

I'm not defensive. Just trying to get the facts right.

Brahmzy is PWM-senstive that's why he sees it. Hey, if there are others who are not feeling the effect of PWM but sees it, then speak up. It would be new info.

I just replaced the same shitty Seiki (50in version) with the 50in 6500, I agree with most of this, I think the Seiki was way easier on the eyes, reading text on this monitor is kind of annoying, must be due to the PWM everyone in this thread was talking about. Yes, it is really sharp at 444, but it reminds me of reading on an old flatscreen CRT monitor that causes eyestrain fairly quickly. I don't know if it is my settings or something, but I don't see how people are praising this for use as a full time monitor... It is awesome for gaming though. I'll have a better HDMI cable arriving in the mail tomorrow so we will see if that fixes it.

It's not new information, I think some people are just quick to mentally discard any possible negatives about these sets. I love the set otherwise, just getting it out there for the record if anyone is looking in thinking about making a purchase.

 

[Cyph]

It's not new information, I think some people are just quick to mentally discard any possible negatives about these sets. I love the set otherwise, just getting it out there for the record if anyone is looking in thinking about making a purchase.

I'm not arguing it has PWM. People are sensitive to PWM is going to have issues with it. That's not news. What I say is news is the fact that you mentioned you are not sensitive to PWM but you can seeing strobing lights. That's new.

Edit: Should mention though that PWM is still the worst I've seen on this panel. It doesn't bother me a ton, but I can constantly see the strobing lights shining through the screen

That's not normal. You also mentioned that you had various issues with flickering and changing cables didn't help until it finally got fixed. This is not normal either.

This is why I mention that if you're not PWM sensitive, you shouldn't be seeing these issues. Based on your initial issues of seeing flickering plus the fact you're seeing strobing light, it may be a defect in your unit.

However, if you believe you're not PWM sensitive, but yet you see flickering and strobing lights, and you're OK with all that, then let's drop it. You're the first non-PWM sensitive person who is sensitive to PWM, and I'm OK with that.

 

[Brahmzy]

LOL!

 

[TDSlam720]

I'm not arguing it has PWM. People are sensitive to PWM is going to have issues with it. That's not news. What I say is news is the fact that you mentioned you are not sensitive to PWM but you can seeing strobing lights. That's new.



That's not normal. You also mentioned that you had various issues with flickering and changing cables didn't help until it finally got fixed. This is not normal either.

This is why I mention that if you're not PWM sensitive, you shouldn't be seeing these issues. Based on your initial issues of seeing flickering plus the fact you're seeing strobing light, it may be a defect in your unit.

However, if you believe you're not PWM sensitive, but yet you see flickering and strobing lights, and you're OK with all that, then let's drop it. You're the first non-PWM sensitive person who is sensitive to PWM, and I'm OK with that.

Ah, I see what you're saying now. Hmm I'm scared to send this back though. The panel itself is great. Good colors, white balance, not a ton of bleed/bloom.