If I am correctly interpreting your statement and you actually want to make out the shape of the pixels then the 48 is more likely to work for you than the 40.
90ish PPI sounds like the JS9000 48 is your choice
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If I am correctly interpreting your statement and you actually want to make out the shape of the pixels then the 48 is more likely to work for you than the 40.
90ish PPI sounds like the JS9000 48 is your choice
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Thread is so much better now than before with the arguing and bickering (and to some degree, misinformation, but part of that was just lack of knowledge or proper testing). We have somewhat of a "Dream Team" going with supermi, vorpel, Cyph, etc. providing so much useful information to prospective, new, and long-time owners of these displays. Many of us have had these long enough now that, personal preferences aside, we have a consistent knowledge base of info and are in agreement on many things which makes it less confusing for the people reading who can now make truly informed decisions regarding these.
On behalf of myself and everyone reading, thanks to all of you guys!
On behalf of myself and everyone reading, thanks to all of you guys!
Thread is so much better now than before with the arguing and bickering (and to some degree, misinformation, but part of that was just lack of knowledge or proper testing). We have somewhat of a "Dream Team" going with supermi, vorpel, Cyph, etc. providing so much useful information to prospective, new, and long-time owners of these displays. Many of us have had these long enough now that, personal preferences aside, we have a consistent knowledge base of info and are in agreement on many things which makes it less confusing for the people reading who can now make truly informed decisions regarding these.
On behalf of myself and everyone reading, thanks to all of you guys!
AWE!
I am happy to be a part of this thread, I spend more of my time at overclock but am learning to like it here as well. Yeah this thread was a little rough for a while, I stopped checking in for a while and such. Great bunch here now!
Really other than the 144hz refresh i want and the adaptive refresh there is NOTHING missing here. It is the BEST looking screen out there now period in my opinion (JS9500 being the pinnacle) but the others are all great for their purposes 40 vs 48 inches, flat vs curved. even a semi gloss (yuk) vs gloss (YAY) LOL.
I will have a hard time even with IPS screens now , THE COLORS, THE BLACKS OH MY!
Amen to that. I don't give a damn about color/gamma shift that I cannot see in actual use. But the Black put this miles ahead of any IPS I've seen. It's about as good as a good plasma or a CRT.
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Did we ever figure out if there's a way to mount the js9000 on a standard VESA mount? I had bought the Ergotron LX with a 200x200 adapter when I was originally going with the Philips, but the JS9000 is 400x400 and I had learned that other Samsung displays had inset mounting holes, making standard adapters an impossibility. Is this also the case with the js9000?
and I had learned that other Samsung displays had inset mounting holes, making standard adapters an impossibility. Is this also the case with the js9000?Which modal do you have?
I really feel a difference between the 7500 and the 9000... with the former my eyes seemed tired and with this one none of it.
Any chance that the PWM on these lines are different?
There was some info about a mod a while back, I wold love that conversation to start back up again!!! Would be a worthwhile and fun activity!
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If anyone is interested in the 980Ti for their Sammy, EVGA has the SC+ ACX 2.0+ in stock. Won't last, I'm sure. I just picked up one.
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=06G-P4-4995-KR
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=06G-P4-4995-KR
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If anyone is interested in the 980Ti for their Sammy, EVGA has the SC+ ACX 2.0+ in stock. Won't last, I'm sure. I just picked up one.
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=06G-P4-4995-KR
I won't buy EVGA. They're garbage. I'm waiting on either the MSI Gaming 6g (or, preferably, the Lightening edition when it finally comes out), or the Zotac AMP! Extreme. Possibly the Asus Strix, but I'll never give EVGA my money. There's a reason they're the cheapest.
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Didn't take long for the trolls to show up.
I've never had a problem with EVGA cards.
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It would have helped if the reasons for the EVGA claim were explained. I read up and it seems the consensus is that they do have a track record of louder and less effective cooling than the others because of the rear exhaust that makes more noise and limits cooling air flow. I have one on a HTPC and it is annoyingly loud.
However the newer ACX 2.0 cooling seems to have brought it up to par...
http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/1922-gtx-960-round-up-msi-evga-pny-asus-benchmark?showall=1
Here with ACX 2.0 the EVGA is marginally at the top of performance charts but temps are higher than the others. But now the GTX 980 Ti Superclocked+ is ACX 2.0+ rather than ACX 2.0 but I'm not sure what the difference is.
However the newer ACX 2.0 cooling seems to have brought it up to par...
http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/1922-gtx-960-round-up-msi-evga-pny-asus-benchmark?showall=1
Here with ACX 2.0 the EVGA is marginally at the top of performance charts but temps are higher than the others. But now the GTX 980 Ti Superclocked+ is ACX 2.0+ rather than ACX 2.0 but I'm not sure what the difference is.
Can we PLEASE keep this thread about the Samsung.
SInce it was mentioned. Not garbage.... EVGA warranty is great... if you are getting a reference card GET EVGA. If you are getting a non reference PCB there as the poster I quoted sait potentially better options ... though that always changes every generation of cards or so
Well Crutchfield is awesome. I ordered the JS9000 yesterday and it was in my office today, shipped from VA to NC.
Wow the colors and the curve are amazing! I first plugged in a cheapo HDMI cable and no go. I found a high speed cable and plugged that in, and away we go. Windows 10 preview defaulted to 300% zoom, I changed it to 100% (which the text looked small and a bit fuzzy), then back to 200% zoom. At 200% it is sharp and very easy on the eyes, maybe a bit too big.
I updated the screen to the latest firmware, and turned on a picture setting for UHD color. Turned off the auto dimming and a few other settings. Is there another setting buried to set it to PC Mode? This 4:4:4 60 Hz?
Going to fire up a few games and see how this thing handles. Report back soon.
Any screen test apps I need to run to check for dead pixels and hot spots, etc? Any recommendation?
Tx
Wow the colors and the curve are amazing! I first plugged in a cheapo HDMI cable and no go. I found a high speed cable and plugged that in, and away we go. Windows 10 preview defaulted to 300% zoom, I changed it to 100% (which the text looked small and a bit fuzzy), then back to 200% zoom. At 200% it is sharp and very easy on the eyes, maybe a bit too big.
I updated the screen to the latest firmware, and turned on a picture setting for UHD color. Turned off the auto dimming and a few other settings. Is there another setting buried to set it to PC Mode? This 4:4:4 60 Hz?
Going to fire up a few games and see how this thing handles. Report back soon.
Any screen test apps I need to run to check for dead pixels and hot spots, etc? Any recommendation?
Tx
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I've been absent for awhile guys. Haven't been gaming and mostly forum lurking the past few weeks because of how busy I've been, just not here. I read through the past 15 pages or so pretty quick, and it looks like the 8500 and 9000 are hot on discussion now.
Since I already have the 48" 7500, upgrading to the 9000 doesn't seem like a bad idea. The only thing I'm worried about is input lag... as those of you who remember my earlier posts should know! Going to look over it the next day or two and try to order before Monday if that is the route I go. 10-bit and Quantum Dot sounds fantastic.
Can you explain a bit more about how the 3D works and if it's any different than that on the 7500? I haven't used 3D on the 7500, and would be interested in trying it on that, or the 9000. Also, do the colors in game mode turn to crap versus PC or TV mode?
Can you also elaborate on the input lag? If you can do comparisons against the Predator directly, or just toy around with settings and let me know your firmware version, I'd appreciate it. I did a lot of lag testing with the 7500 before on early firmware versions, such as 100X and then 12XX. There was quite a difference, but the last I tested was 1209 or 1210. I refused to update my 48" on 1204 which I kept there since then because I know lag increased in one of the updates.
Honestly, 10-bit and Quantum Dot are enough to sway me. HDR is a plus, and if we get a One Connect box with DP - oh boy. Well worth the $400 (well, $500 counting the return freight charge if it goes that way).
Since I already have the 48" 7500, upgrading to the 9000 doesn't seem like a bad idea. The only thing I'm worried about is input lag... as those of you who remember my earlier posts should know! Going to look over it the next day or two and try to order before Monday if that is the route I go. 10-bit and Quantum Dot sounds fantastic.
Can you explain a bit more about how the 3D works and if it's any different than that on the 7500? I haven't used 3D on the 7500, and would be interested in trying it on that, or the 9000. Also, do the colors in game mode turn to crap versus PC or TV mode?
Can you also elaborate on the input lag? If you can do comparisons against the Predator directly, or just toy around with settings and let me know your firmware version, I'd appreciate it. I did a lot of lag testing with the 7500 before on early firmware versions, such as 100X and then 12XX. There was quite a difference, but the last I tested was 1209 or 1210. I refused to update my 48" on 1204 which I kept there since then because I know lag increased in one of the updates.
Honestly, 10-bit and Quantum Dot are enough to sway me. HDR is a plus, and if we get a One Connect box with DP - oh boy. Well worth the $400 (well, $500 counting the return freight charge if it goes that way).
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10 bit doesnt necessarily mean HDR.
It can mean the current gamut spread over 10 bits per colour instead of 8.
HDR requires a brighter backlight and thus extended gamut, enabling the extra 2 bits to be used for brighter colours while leaving the original 8 bits alone.
This has to be supported by the application and media, its not something you can just enable.
It can mean the current gamut spread over 10 bits per colour instead of 8.
HDR requires a brighter backlight and thus extended gamut, enabling the extra 2 bits to be used for brighter colours while leaving the original 8 bits alone.
This has to be supported by the application and media, its not something you can just enable.
7100. I always thought I was immune to PWM until this TV/monitor. Can see it flashing in the background nonstop and it's like the TV has Parkinson's.
Yeah, I was hoping there would be more discussion on that mod, and someone would package it up nice and neat like for non electrical experts to do.
I thought PWM affects you and you feel it but you shouldn't be able to SEE it. Are you sure your unit is not defective? Just throwing that out there.
Did we ever figure out if there's a way to mount the js9000 on a standard VESA mount? I had bought the Ergotron LX with a 200x200 adapter when I was originally going with the Philips, but the JS9000 is 400x400
Here is the stand that I am using for the 48" JS9000. The lowest setting puts the bezel on the bottom at 2 3/8" off the desk. This is lower than the stock stand. Not a lot of adjustment with this stand, however the price is hard to beat at $69.
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Cyph might be on to something here. Might be worth an exchange?
I just received my 48" JS9000 this afternoon. I haven't had an opportunity to do extensive testing with the display yet, but I wanted to offer a few first impressions before I get some rest for the evening. I will definitely follow-up with more information and questions.
Please note: My previous monitor was a single Dell U3011 IPS display. I'm driving these displays with two GTX 980s in SLI.
- Colors are simply stunning. It's actually rather difficult to understate this observation.
- Coming from a resolution of 2560 x1600 on a 30" monitor, the 4k resolution isn't as impressive as the improvement to color depth (as described above). As one might expect, this is clearly a function of the larger screen size (i.e., going from 100.63 to 92.56 PPI). Make no mistake, however, the 4k resolution is still quite nice.
- I can't discern any noticeable ghosting in games (e.g., ArmA 3, CoH 2, DCS).
- The lag is not an issue for me in games; that is, for my needs and relative to my previous monitor.
- As a related consideration, the mouse response on the desktop is a tad slower than on the U3011 but still manageable.
- The sharpness must be turned down to near zero for tolerable text clarity.
- Black text embedded in red areas is quite fuzzy.
- I wasn't able to find a "game" source mode to select. I found a "game mode" in the settings menu, but I'm not sure I have a proper handle on my source options. I simply see HDMI 1-4, AV, Component, etc. I renamed HDMI 1 as PC and enabled UHD color, but I'm not sure that this places me in the proper "PC" mode others have referenced.
- The 48" screen feels a tad too large for my current viewing distance (i.e., ~30"). I might adjust to the new size/depth, but I may also consider reconfiguring my desk to generate additional depth.
- Gaming with this display is truly spectacular - particularly in flight sims.
Questions for vorpel and supermi:
- Could you help me understand exactly what my source options are for this display? I couldn't find the same items you described.
- Is there a way to verify I'm getting 4:4:4 colors? I know UHD color mode is enabled; is this sufficient?
- I noticed my Nvidia driver settings list an output color depth of 8 bpc. Should this value be higher?
That's all I have for now. I'll be sure to follow-up again tomorrow evening. Many thanks to supermi, vorpel, imyourzero, et al. for their guidance!
Please note: My previous monitor was a single Dell U3011 IPS display. I'm driving these displays with two GTX 980s in SLI.
- Colors are simply stunning. It's actually rather difficult to understate this observation.
- Coming from a resolution of 2560 x1600 on a 30" monitor, the 4k resolution isn't as impressive as the improvement to color depth (as described above). As one might expect, this is clearly a function of the larger screen size (i.e., going from 100.63 to 92.56 PPI). Make no mistake, however, the 4k resolution is still quite nice.
- I can't discern any noticeable ghosting in games (e.g., ArmA 3, CoH 2, DCS).
- The lag is not an issue for me in games; that is, for my needs and relative to my previous monitor.
- As a related consideration, the mouse response on the desktop is a tad slower than on the U3011 but still manageable.
- The sharpness must be turned down to near zero for tolerable text clarity.
- Black text embedded in red areas is quite fuzzy.
- I wasn't able to find a "game" source mode to select. I found a "game mode" in the settings menu, but I'm not sure I have a proper handle on my source options. I simply see HDMI 1-4, AV, Component, etc. I renamed HDMI 1 as PC and enabled UHD color, but I'm not sure that this places me in the proper "PC" mode others have referenced.
- The 48" screen feels a tad too large for my current viewing distance (i.e., ~30"). I might adjust to the new size/depth, but I may also consider reconfiguring my desk to generate additional depth.
- Gaming with this display is truly spectacular - particularly in flight sims.
Questions for vorpel and supermi:
- Could you help me understand exactly what my source options are for this display? I couldn't find the same items you described.
- Is there a way to verify I'm getting 4:4:4 colors? I know UHD color mode is enabled; is this sufficient?
- I noticed my Nvidia driver settings list an output color depth of 8 bpc. Should this value be higher?
That's all I have for now. I'll be sure to follow-up again tomorrow evening. Many thanks to supermi, vorpel, imyourzero, et al. for their guidance!
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Fuzzy red text does not sound like 444, yet
.UHD color check
good and necessary, make sure it is enabled for the HDMI input you are using as it is a per HDMI basis For the source mode.
Select "source on the remote"
*At the top of the screen you will see the Input options
TV HDMI1 ETC
* You will see a down facing arrow at the bottom of the source. Hover over it and click the arrow.
*you should see a menus drop down with the upper most option being "edit device type"
*if you click in edit device type you will now be presented with a list of well, decide types, including PC, GAME AND DVI PC (there are many others)
*select PC mode for 444 and fuzz free awesomeness
*select game (be sure to not just highlight but to clock on and save/apply the mode you want to use) for being able to enable things like clear motion
and also from Herr you can toggle full game mode on and off* to do so select menu on the remote (while in game mode)
* click on system (which looks like a cog or but)
* scroll down in the now selected system menu and click on "general"
* once in the general submenue the first option at the top of the menu will be to turn "game mode" on or off
Yes the colors are amazing
Turning on "game mode" and trying the clear/standard/smooth motion settings while in "game input" but not game mode should respectively give you the mouse responding in the desktop as you would expect and the smoothness you want
PC INPUT for full 444 sharpness
Yes for that this is sharp feeling at your viewing distance the 40 inch is needed (or smaller) sit another 6-15 inches back and get all the sharpness you were expecting but still note screen space / peripheral vision coverage
Hope that gets you started (I could not directly upload pics and am on mobile)???
Also yes 8bits output sounds correct.
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They might be seeing combined artefacts from other PWM lighting in the room.
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Yes the colors are amazing
Turning on "game mode" and trying the clear/standard/smooth motion settings while in "game input" but not game mode should respectively give you the mouse responding in the desktop as you would expect and the smoothness you want
PC INPUT for full 444 sharpness
Just to confirm:
1) you have US version of Samsung 48JU9000 ?
2) you can have 4k with 4:4:4 chroma AND motion smoothing turned on at the same time ?
What is your rough estimation of the input lag while the motion smoothing is turned on ? Can you feel the difference with it on or off ?
Also, since Samsung's SUHD displays are supposed to have a lot higher light output, can you turn on LED Clear Motion (backlight strobing) and still have a picture that is not too dark ?
I'm considering if the more expensive Samsung models are worth ponying up the dough for us who are buying them just as a pc monitor.
Thanks for your time.
No on #2
PC is 444 others (game input) is not .... Hard to see an difference in last few firmware updates other than slightly fuzzy last 2 lines in chroma test. In gaming you will hebhard pressed to notice a difference.
I would not use clear motion led (strobing is too slow and not comfy, you can turn up the brightness, if the set is brighter than the cheaper sets it will be brighter in that mode as well. (I will see how bright it feels later today)
Just buy them both ideally to compare, which is best for you as some of these differences are going to rely on your eyes and feel... Lag without mensurable testing is had to say with a guesstimate #, are the lower and super series the same?/firmware? I dont know... Feels faster than it did before last update, feels faster than the 7500 but that might have been improved as well.
I do feel the difference in and off of course, but much much much less than before. I choose it in oflvrrnoff most of the time.
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Its only too big if you cant sit far enough away.
Someone answer, please ?
Print screens and photos won't be discernable without knowing the camera settings and calibrating your monitor.... You need to see it TBH.
Subjective question again better for what uses? Gaming desktop? Now or in an unknown updated one connect box?
There is not much more info to give other than what you can by seeing it and using it or making a choice based on your needs and $$.
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Thanks for that. I'm thinking of picking this up and just slapping it on the end of my desk arm. That way, I have pivot, tilt, height, etc. It would be nice to be able to aim it at the kitchen so I can have something on Netflix while I'm cooking or something.
Also, my desk arm won't go to waste that way.Can you provide shots of your setup? I'm as curious as the above posters to see how this beast looks on a desk.
Thanks.
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I can move back, that's not a problem
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My desk is only 31" deep. Think I might have to scoot back? :\
Gaming, web browsing, video / photo editing, etc
I just wanted to know if it's a huge difference ( image quality ) between 7500 and JS9000
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A printscreen will show you what was sent to the display, not what was shown by the display. You'll see the pixels in the image, not how it looked on the screen.
I have my PC connected to HDMI 1. The only drop-down options I have are the following: Edit Name, Information, and Delete Universal Remote.
Update 1: I figured out my problem. I had configured the display incorrectly during the initial setup. After resetting everything to factory defaults, I now have the appropriate options. I'm now working through the various PQ settings.
Update 2: I can confirm I'm now in the proper PC mode with HDMI UHD Color enabled. The fuzzy black text embedded in red is now fixed and quite clear (e.g., inactive tabs in Chrome in my theme). I no longer have to reduce the sharpness value down to zero either; 50 seems to be a good starting point.
Thank you very much, supermi!
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Just a quick update. To a first order approximation, this monitor provides something of a digital religious experience. How am I supposed to get any work done when my games look so impressive?
Trivialities aside, I'm finding that PC mode with the Standard PQ settings is working quite well for now. Mouse/frame lag isn't bothering me at all - even in FPS and RTS titles.
Trivialities aside, I'm finding that PC mode with the Standard PQ settings is working quite well for now. Mouse/frame lag isn't bothering me at all - even in FPS and RTS titles.
I have the 7100, input lag is great, but I use it in game mode full time. It's better than my last 4k tv was when i had it set to 120hz at 1080p . Went from bottom of the CS:GO casuals to the top . Way easier to click on stuff in league of legends.
Blurring is nonexistent for me. I've yet to see any blur in anything except scrolling down the page quickly in H
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Thank you.
I had my eye set on 7100 series. Judging by the experience of the forum members, glossy screen, higher contrast and less motion blur are worth it over 6500/6700 models. In my country difference between 7100 and 9000 series is about 1000 euro for the 48" model. I thought if there was some substantial difference between them, I might go for the more expensive model, but it seems that it all comes down to slightly better colors. Not worth it for me.