Gamer Gets Swatted On Live Stream

USMCGrunt said:
Ya, I went a little retard there...I don't know why I wrote Boondock Saints.....though it's an excellent movie as well but completely irrelevant in this post, lol. I saw there was a sequel to the movie....I'm scared to watch it though as I imagine it would be a heaping pile.
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Oh, it is. It's terrible and bad and not good.
And they are currently writing a script for the third, and the noises they're making on the FB page do NOT sound good. Something about the brothers not having a big role, and the third piece being more about average joes taking up arms around the country. UGH. Like fight club meets Boondock Saints, only full-retard.
 
Modred189 said:
Oh, it is. It's terrible and bad and not good.
And they are currently writing a script for the third, and the noises they're making on the FB page do NOT sound good. Something about the brothers not having a big role, and the third piece being more about average joes taking up arms around the country. UGH. Like fight club meets Boondock Saints, only full-retard.
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That's terrible....bad....terribad....
 
SRTie4k said:
Even worse, you're more likely to be killed crossing the street than you are being gunned down in a police raid.

Nobody seems to complain about how oppressive cars are, though.
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Sound logic. So as long as we give cops killing limits like we do for hunters, its all good. Now if the cops overhunt and violate their quotas, then we should probably ask the cop unions what action they think is appropriate. :rolleyes::D
 
IME these cops were very polite. What are you guys used to, them showing up with lollypops?
 
Here's the part I don't understand.

Lets say they were responding to a live shooter report in a building where 500 people worked. Are they going to cuff every single person in the building at gunpoint and search their phones? Probably not. they'd focus on whoever looked like a shooter and focus on protecting and evacuating the rest.

Why was this guy cuffed at gunpoint, instead of rushed outside under SWAT protection? He didn't look like an assailant to me...

It just looks like a typical police situation. The macho guys got a rare opportunity to play with their big toys, and they were going to be as macho and tough about it as possible...
 
SRTie4k said:
Even worse, you're more likely to be killed crossing the street than you are being gunned down in a police raid.

Nobody seems to complain about how oppressive cars are, though.
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Obesity kills 300,000 people per year, so lets just ignore everything that kills anything less than that. :rolleyes:

The funny thing is you are more likely to be struck by lightning (Twice... In a row...) than you are to be the victim of terrorism, yet somehow that was enough for us to invade two countries under false pretenses, spend trillions of dollars, and lose thousands of soldiers in combat.

This just shows that there is a balance to be struck.

We vastly overreacted to terrorism due in large part to sensationalism in the news and in politics.

We should probably also do something to improve traffic safety.

But when those worn to protect us are instead putting our lives in danger, that is a real problem, and it DOES need to be dealt with.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041057032 said:
Here's the part I don't understand.

Lets say they were responding to a live shooter report in a building where 500 people worked. Are they going to cuff every single person in the building at gunpoint and search their phones? Probably not. they'd focus on whoever looked like a shooter and focus on protecting and evacuating the rest.

Why was this guy cuffed at gunpoint, instead of rushed outside under SWAT protection? He didn't look like an assailant to me...

It just looks like a typical police situation. The macho guys got a rare opportunity to play with their big toys, and they were going to be as macho and tough about it as possible...
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Or maybe the logical explanation is that IT'S THE FUCKING SWAT TEAM. They exist to bust down doors to arrest big time drug distributors, deal with hostage situations and take down heavily armed and dangerous criminals every day. The people they deal with aren't friendly and courteous people. That line of work doesn't make you a PR person with a big smile glued to your face 24/7, it makes you look at the people you deal with every single day as scumbags.

If these were your average cops, I could understand your argument, but these are the guys that are called in when shit needs to go down, and that's how they performed here.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041057042 said:
Obesity kills 300,000 people per year, so lets just ignore everything that kills anything less than that. :rolleyes:

The funny thing is you are more likely to be struck by lightning (Twice... In a row...) than you are to be the victim of terrorism, yet somehow that was enough for us to invade two countries under false pretenses, spend trillions of dollars, and lose thousands of soldiers in combat.

This just shows that there is a balance to be struck.

We vastly overreacted to terrorism due in large part to sensationalism in the news and in politics.

We should probably also do something to improve traffic safety.

But when those worn to protect us are instead putting our lives in danger, that is a real problem, and it DOES need to be dealt with.
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Please enlighten me as to where I said "IGNORE COPS BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC!!!"

If you really need my comment explained to you, I made it to point out the stupid post I was replying to.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041057032 said:
Here's the part I don't understand.

Lets say they were responding to a live shooter report in a building where 500 people worked. Are they going to cuff every single person in the building at gunpoint and search their phones? Probably not. they'd focus on whoever looked like a shooter and focus on protecting and evacuating the rest.

Why was this guy cuffed at gunpoint, instead of rushed outside under SWAT protection? He didn't look like an assailant to me...

It just looks like a typical police situation. The macho guys got a rare opportunity to play with their big toys, and they were going to be as macho and tough about it as possible...
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There was a saying adopted by the Corps. while I was in that was "Complacency Kills". Meaning that the moment you relax is the moment that you could be attacked and if your not ready your dead.

Same applies with these "macho guys" who "got to play with their big toys". The moment they treat a situation as just another bs call, is the moment that its going to be the real deal. If your not prepared for it, your gonna take a bullet to the face.

The guy gets cuffed at gunpoint because an officer will cuff anyone that could pose a threat until an assessment is made that the person is not a threat. Imagine this guy is a bad guy and the call is real...he's been firing an automatic rifle...etc...He hears SWAT kicking doors in down the hall, so he has a plan to take them by surprise. He's going to hide his rifle in the closet, or holster a pistol in the small of his back. SWAT kicks the door in and the guy appears to be harmless, has no weapons, is not acting immediately hostile. SWAT, being complacent says, "Aww, he's not a threat" and they turn their back without securing the room and begin to walk out. That's when this bad guy calmly walks to the closet, pulls out the assault rifle and pops them all in theirs backs before they know what's going on....or just pulls the pistol out of his holster and pops a couple of them in the head before anybody knows what's going on. Unlike the movies, it doesn't take couple clips/magazines to hit somebody once, nor does it take very long to acquire a follow up target.
 
SRTie4k said:
Or maybe the logical explanation is that IT'S THE FUCKING SWAT TEAM. They exist to bust down doors to arrest big time drug distributors, deal with hostage situations and take down heavily armed and dangerous criminals every day. The people they deal with aren't friendly and courteous people. That line of work doesn't make you a PR person with a big smile glued to your face 24/7, it makes you look at the people you deal with every single day as scumbags.

If these were your average cops, I could understand your argument, but these are the guys that are called in when shit needs to go down, and that's how they performed here.
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Actually, a lot of SWAT members are regular officers who have gone through SWAT training and conduct normal officer duties 95% of the time. Of course, this may be different in high drug/crime areas but generally speaking, there are no 100%, full-time SWAT teams.
 
bucketlist said:
^THIS!
I don't fear most people on the streets but I do fear having my door kicked in and being shot because I'll do a animal reaction to defend myself from harm while the police be cleared of wrong doing because they'll be "justified in use of force".

If I ever build a home and have the money I will make as hard as possible for raids to enter so I can access the situation, get my family to safty, flee or defend, and turn myself in when it has cooled down.
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Exactly, put in impact resistant glass in all down stairs windows. 5 inch thick concrete around all exterior doors that extend 12 inches into the surrounding walls and then doors with safe like rods that protrude into the walls to prevent them from being smashed down. I would love to see the cops run up with their battering rams and try to knock those doors down. Hell that would likely get more youtube views than PSYs Gangum Style video did.
 
tinate said:
Never seen this, but it seems pretty standard to me. Religion + Cop makes it even more obvious.
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Well I kinda agree with the "just kill each other and get it over with" comment, not that I'd want anyone to die, but a close friend was involved in domestic abuse for years and it really just wasted a bunch of people's time. Dude finally got offed himself and now everyone goes back to their lives like before. Had he done that sooner, the better... his family sure didn't care enough to put him in the hospital where he probably belonged and the cops didn't care even though he was a fugitive. Some people are too far gone to be helped, and the people that "put up" with abuse for fear of losing some kind of romance or "safety" or bullshit codependency issue should also be put in hospitals... but yea, who really cares enough about those people to take jobs serving meds and sugerfree jello shots? Almost nobody. You can see how the problem is such crap that people go insane from it, turn to religion, and/or feed themselves into a downward spiral of self-denial.

In any case, it's a complicated issue, the police force not meeting people's standards I mean. We could use better people in there at all levels, from the lowly grunts to the law makers. Are there enough good people who give a crap to offset the bad people who don't? That's a sad question to have to ask.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041057032 said:
Here's the part I don't understand.

Lets say they were responding to a live shooter report in a building where 500 people worked. Are they going to cuff every single person in the building at gunpoint and search their phones? Probably not. they'd focus on whoever looked like a shooter and focus on protecting and evacuating the rest.

Why was this guy cuffed at gunpoint, instead of rushed outside under SWAT protection? He didn't look like an assailant to me...

It just looks like a typical police situation. The macho guys got a rare opportunity to play with their big toys, and they were going to be as macho and tough about it as possible...
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Wrong wrong wrong...just every single assumption here is wrong. Do you think shooters run around with signs on their chest that say I'm a shooter?

When swat enters your building full of 500 people they are advised to lay down on the floor spread eagle with arms in full view. Medical issues are ignored as the first unit in is there to secure and find the shooter not give aid or comfort. Anyone who disobeys the first team in is cuffed and depending on the situation is either secured there or escorted outside and detained until the threat is neutralized.

Securing an unknown at gunpoint is standard protocol for any initial threat team on scene.
 
SRTie4k said:
Or maybe the logical explanation is that IT'S THE FUCKING SWAT TEAM. They exist to bust down doors to arrest big time drug distributors, deal with hostage situations and take down heavily armed and dangerous criminals every day. The people they deal with aren't friendly and courteous people. That line of work doesn't make you a PR person with a big smile glued to your face 24/7, it makes you look at the people you deal with every single day as scumbags.

If these were your average cops, I could understand your argument, but these are the guys that are called in when shit needs to go down, and that's how they performed here.
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Actually, this makes a good deal of sense.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041056739 said:
There's an argument for full disk encryption and a passcode on your phone.

I don't have anything to hide on my phone, but at the same time I am a huge supporter of privacy rights, and wouldn't readily submit to demands for searching my stuff without a warrant.
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Just make sure it's a passcode lock, then even with a warrant the courts would have trouble getting you to open the encryption. If it's a finger print lock they can just force you to open it as your finger print is a physical entity. Meaning it's not self incrimination. Same with safes, dial and code safes over a lock and key safe if privacy is a concern.
 
Climber said:
Wrong wrong wrong...just every single assumption here is wrong. Do you think shooters run around with signs on their chest that say I'm a shooter?

When swat enters your building full of 500 people they are advised to lay down on the floor spread eagle with arms in full view. Medical issues are ignored as the first unit in is there to secure and find the shooter not give aid or comfort. Anyone who disobeys the first team in is cuffed and depending on the situation is either secured there or escorted outside and detained until the threat is neutralized.

Securing an unknown at gunpoint is standard protocol for any initial threat team on scene.
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That's why I said I don't understand :p Thanks for clarifying.

I've obviously never been in a live shooter situation.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041057545 said:
That's why I said I don't understand :p Thanks for clarifying.

I've obviously never been in a live shooter situation.
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It is intense and most people don't understand why the threat entry team doesn't respond. It is a lot like rescue swimmers with no remaining choice will likely break the victims nose to control them so a rescue can take place.

A lot of people rag on cops now a days but when an officer asks you a question and you refuse it instantly raises their threat level. Not because they're overzealous picks trying to make your life miserable it is that you just became a possible enemy and it generally goes downhill from there.

Most cops are just regular people whose lives are on the line everyday and living with that kind of heightened stress most people just have zero clue about it.
 
Lith1um said:
0 years of killing terrorists, and making new "terrorists" out of decent men. That's the problem with our government, they will never understand that one man's terrorist is another man's patriot. With every innocent you have killed, trampled, imprisoned, your operations have ensured perpetual reaction. But, the idea of a continuous war appeals to a very large number of soldiers, cops, politicians, preachers, and industrailites.
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You don't know what you are talking about. Stop reading the fucking news.

You haven't been there. you haven't driven around town while the Colonel of some BCT is checking in with the local Iraqi cops and driving the city to see the cops that are on duty and checking to see if some are doing stupid stuff like paying their neighbor(who isn't a cop and isn't trained) to take their shift. You think it's soldiers running around shooting the place up all the time and it's nothing like that at all. You do not know anything at all about what you are talking about, not a clue.

You haven't shopped at a bazaar, lived in an Iraqi home, ate with them, helped watch after their kids at school, nothing. You do not have any idea what was happening over there.
 
lcpiper said:
You don't know what you are talking about. Stop reading the fucking news.

You haven't been there. you haven't driven around town while the Colonel of some BCT is checking in with the local Iraqi cops and driving the city to see the cops that are on duty and checking to see if some are doing stupid stuff like paying their neighbor(who isn't a cop and isn't trained) to take their shift. You think it's soldiers running around shooting the place up all the time and it's nothing like that at all. You do not know anything at all about what you are talking about, not a clue.

You haven't shopped at a bazaar, lived in an Iraqi home, ate with them, helped watch after their kids at school, nothing. You do not have any idea what was happening over there.
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Honestly,

It doesn't really matter who is doing what. I have faith that the overwhelming majority of U.S. service members are decent people doing the best job they can in a tough situation.

That doesn't mean that going in was a good idea. We can pass the buck and play the blame game as much as we want, but the truth is this: We went into Iraq, and it set in motion a chain of events resulting in everything there falling to shit.

That, and there are many arguments for what Lith1um is saying being true, especially when it surrounds drone attacks, where innocent bystanders on the ground often fall victim in the process of taking out some high value target. This creates the next generation of terrorists.

We now have an entire generation of kids in Iraq and Afghanistan growing up who don't have a clear view of our intentions or who did what. All they know is "The Americans came, and my uncle/father/sister/whatever died or was dismembered" and you can be pretty damned sure they will remember that. A certain percentage of them will be radicalized, and it will likely amount to a larger proportion of the population than before our military interventions.

This is why resorting to military action is NEVER a good idea, unless there is absolutely no other option what so ever.

Afghanistan was arguably justifiable. Iraq definitely not.

But all that is done. We can't undo it now, and can't bring back the some 1million (ORB estimate) Iraqi civilians who died either as a direct result of our military action, or due to the instability created by our invasion of the country, and pointing fingers won't help.

The truth here is that - regardless of the merits of the decision to originally go in - we now live in a Colin Powell "you break it, you own it" world, and we most certainly broke it.
 
SRTie4k said:
Or maybe the logical explanation is that IT'S THE FUCKING SWAT TEAM. They exist to bust down doors to arrest big time drug distributors, deal with hostage situations and take down heavily armed and dangerous criminals every day. The people they deal with aren't friendly and courteous people. That line of work doesn't make you a PR person with a big smile glued to your face 24/7, it makes you look at the people you deal with every single day as scumbags.

If these were your average cops, I could understand your argument, but these are the guys that are called in when shit needs to go down, and that's how they performed here.
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That may be, but does that excuse their behavior in this case? IMO, no.
 
Semantics said:
It's a raid, given consent by a 911 call which was taken as probable cause. Police in a raid arrest first, sort out problems later down at the station. It's a less bodily risk to the officers involved in the raid. Yes they arrested him(Arrested and Pressing Charges are two different things), when you get arrested by a police officer one of the first things they do is they search you that's police training 101.

Even if they needed a warrant, police operate like off a flow chart just checking off boxes when doing things like this. So he may have just been looking though call history. Would this matter if they were pressing charges and this went to court. Yes, possible outcomes to it? Most probable in inadmissible evidence, less probable is that it's considered an okay case by case basis for searching a cellphone.
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He was not arrested. He was detained, if he was arrested they would have taken him to the precinct and he would have been booked. He wasn't booked so he wasn't arrested, he was detained. Funny, that doesn't look like the same kind of detainment that those people taking videos at the Border patrol Checkpoints keep talking about "Am I being detained?"
 
lcpiper said:
BTW, when do the cops NOT need a warrant?
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Exigent circumstances allows them to force their way inside without a warrant, not sure that it allows searching for anything beyond what is immediately dangerous(guns, bombs, probably not a cell-phone).
 
That doesn't mean that going in was a good idea. We can pass the buck and play the blame game as much as we want, but the truth is this: We went into Iraq, and it set in motion a chain of events resulting in everything there falling to shit.

That, and there are many arguments for what Lith1um is saying being true, especially when it surrounds drone attacks, where innocent bystanders on the ground often fall victim in the process of taking out some high value target. This creates the next generation of terrorists.
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I agree with the first and I can't even try and say it was all looking OK until Obama pulled the plug too soon. But the second I don't agree with cause I've seen these people, Inshallah, "it's God's will", they have no problem accepting that daddy got blasted by the infidel just like they have no problem accepting that God want's them to kill the infidel. Allah gives, Allah takes away".

No matter how you spin it in their belief system it all fits and as long as I got an AK and can kill the unbelievers, or the invaders, or my neighbors, it's all cool.
 
The next generation of terrorists are created when the cord is cut my friend.
 
Man, we had these radicals from other countries showing up in Iraq slavering at the mouth wanting to come kill the invading infidels. But then the local Iraqis would grab them and try to talk them into putting on a vest and blowing themselves up in a Sunni Market, or a Shia Market, and these guys didn't want to die like that. It wasn't what they were there for, they wanted to come and kill Americans, the Great Satan. But after a week or so in a basement being doped up on whatever it was they were giving these guys they would eventual wear them down until they would put on that vest and go kill some innocent civilians in a market, or the line of applicants at a police recruiting station, or a school, or wherever one group could find a bunch of the other group. We spent far more time trying to stop them from killing each other then we ever had to spend trying to fight them off ourselves. And in the middle of that crap you did have a few Al Queda types putting in the occasional IED or popping off some rockets or mortars at us. That was always a threat, but the real killing being done was Sunni on Shia and we were just trying to get them to play nice nice and learn to get along. You can see how well that has gone.
 
Fanattic said:
I may have to watch the video again with the sound up but isn't only about 5 seconds between the time he takes of his headset remarking he thinks swat is there and the time they enter his room?
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Roughly...except he always had one ear open, his headset was only on halfway so he could hear what was happening outside of the game. I would harbor a guess and say most of us keep both headphones on gaming unless waiting for a wife to say something or a call or whatever. Of course, that's most people, not everyone.

Staged. And a huge waste of our money, his included.
 
fenixv said:
They searched his phone because they were looking to see if he was the one who called in the threat.
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Even my 5 year old unborn daughter isn't that naive. They did it because they need SOME DIRT on the guy after realizing what they are doing is wrong. Universal cop stuff. Cops and military people suck.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041057612 said:
We now have an entire generation of kids in Iraq and Afghanistan growing up who don't have a clear view of our intentions or who did what. All they know is "The Americans came, and my uncle/father/sister/whatever died or was dismembered" and you can be pretty damned sure they will remember that. A certain percentage of them will be radicalized, and it will likely amount to a larger proportion of the population than before our military interventions.

This is why resorting to military action is NEVER a good idea, unless there is absolutely no other option what so ever.

Afghanistan was arguably justifiable. Iraq definitely not.

But all that is done. We can't undo it now, and can't bring back the some 1million (ORB estimate) Iraqi civilians who died either as a direct result of our military action, or due to the instability created by our invasion of the country, and pointing fingers won't help.

The truth here is that - regardless of the merits of the decision to originally go in - we now live in a Colin Powell "you break it, you own it" world, and we most certainly broke it.
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No matter what we're damned if we do damned if we don't. You mostly hear the America is trying to be the world's police force dogma like it is a negative thing. What you don't hear or see from the news are those who are begging and pleading for our help and protection. There are populations who hate us for getting involved in their affairs and there are populations who hate us for not getting involved.

When America was isolationist we were criticized for being selfish and having a blind eye to the problems of the world. When we got involved we were criticized for over stepping our bounds. War is ugly. It is evil, despicable, and one of the most gut wrenching things a country can ask of its people. There is a no win situation in it for anyone. Innocents are going to die, fathers, mothers, and children will die.

America isn't altruistic and yes we make mistakes but we go so far out of the norm to ensure innocents aren't intentionally being targeted and we do a lot of good work in the areas we fight in. The media is intentionally biased and paints such an ugly picture of us it makes me sick at times.

You never see the media report on the schools we build the roads and infrastructure we put in place, how many members of our military volunteer their time helping families and kids get reunited, teach classes and vocational trades, run animal shelters for lost pets, protect orphanages or women's shelters or minorities from discrimination. All we see and hear about are small isolated instances of either mistakes or atrocities committed by our military. You rarely see the reports from the media about all the humanitarian missions our armed forces run. It was nice to see the focus shift during the ISIS crisis recently and hopefully the horrors of war are balanced out by the good we do.

If you really want to see what law enforcement can be like volunteer for ride alongs with your local police or sheriffs department and perhaps your perspective may shift. It did for me as well as joining the military and serving in a foreign country. The overwhelming majority of people love us when we're on the ground helping.
 
Get arrested and wrongfully imprisoned (only a few months for me fortunately). You get plenty of ride alongs, talks with officers along with a lot of ridicule ("Yes, yes. Everyone's innocent."), and an inside look at how the justice system works and how blind it can be. Your perspective sure changes :p
 
That said, there's still a lot of good they do, and the media and the people do tend to focus heavily on the negative side of things. Not saying the negative should be overlooked in any way, just that more attention should be given to the positive things that happen in the world.
 
RealityCrunch said:
Get arrested and wrongfully imprisoned (only a few months for me fortunately). You get plenty of ride alongs, talks with officers along with a lot of ridicule ("Yes, yes. Everyone's innocent."), and an inside look at how the justice system works and how blind it can be. Your perspective sure changes :p
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Well since you're out and was only imprisoned a few months that shows the system is working. While not perfect it has come a long ways from where it one was. Plus if you had a trial then wrongfully imprisoned might be your way of seeing it, but at least you had a trial which is honestly more than most people get around the world.
 
Just glad I had the help of a good lawyer (one I couldn't afford, but he went to my parent's church and wanted to help out) who found faults in the investigation and further evidence which proved my innocence. The rate at which I tell lawyer jokes since that time has dropped a lot, but I still tell them of course ;)

My sister lives in Mexico and has had some stories to tell about the police there. We've got a lot to be thankful for still :)
 
All you guys are ridiculous when your life is on the line and you don't know what might be going on you are not going to survey the situation. There was literally zero harm in what the cops did other than wasting everyone's time. Now lets flip that case around and ask if there had been a real situation do think the cops should take their time, look for evidence, go light on the guy? No that's stupid when they swat a house the neutralize everyone as fast as possible. Doesn't matter, watch cops some time you will see many times they even cuff kids, or wives in real busts. Its safer for everyone and no one gets hurt when you just drop them and cuff them. The number of whack jobs that cops deal with on a daily basis teaches them they cant count on anything. So what boohoo you were dropped to the floor and cuffed. Get over it.

There is only one thing that I really disagree with, it is cops aversion to cameras. I think that the country as a whole needs to just tell police officers, you are a public servant and as such anytime you are on duty you are to shut up and eat it if someone wants to record you. Same should be applied to politicians and most other public servants. As long as you are not breaking any rules you have nothing to hide.
 
rudy said:
All you guys are ridiculous when your life is on the line and you don't know what might be going on you are not going to survey the situation. There was literally zero harm in what the cops did other than wasting everyone's time.
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Zero harm? Far too often these SWAT raids result in unnecessary property and medical damages, as all it takes is for a citizen caught off guard to act irrationally from fear and move too fast or reach for something, and "BOOM! HEADSHOT!" woops, that wasn't actually a terrorist.

The whole point is that no one's life was on the line, nor in the vast majority of these deployments is anyone's life on the line. They shouldn't be called in until there is confirmation that something reported even needs them. So a single anonymous person calls in a tip, alright, its a building with a ton of tenants and building security. Has anyone else heard any shots? That's something an investigating police officer can determine, and yes police officers have guns too.

If the regular police find someone entrenched or an active shooter, then certainly THEY can hold their ground and call in SWAT. That's perfectly fine, but we are seeing SWAT deployed more frequently than anytime in the country's history, and that's the point. Its militarized police overkill, and you don't use a sledgehammer as the primary tool in your arsenal for everything, as you end up causing far more damage than necessary.
 
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