Gamer Gets Swatted On Live Stream

Ducman69 said:
Zero harm? Far too often these SWAT raids result in unnecessary property and medical damages, as all it takes is for a citizen caught off guard to act irrationally from fear and move too fast or reach for something, and "BOOM! HEADSHOT!" woops, that wasn't actually a terrorist.

The whole point is that no one's life was on the line, nor in the vast majority of these deployments is anyone's life on the line. They shouldn't be called in until there is confirmation that something reported even needs them. So a single anonymous person calls in a tip, alright, its a building with a ton of tenants and building security. Has anyone else heard any shots? That's something an investigating police officer can determine, and yes police officers have guns too.

If the regular police find someone entrenched or an active shooter, then certainly THEY can hold their ground and call in SWAT. That's perfectly fine, but we are seeing SWAT deployed more frequently than anytime in the country's history, and that's the point. Its militarized police overkill, and you don't use a sledgehammer as the primary tool in your arsenal for everything, as you end up causing far more damage than necessary.
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Did any of that happen here? We aren't talking about what might have happened in some other random occurrence we can see what really happened right here. The guy cooperated and he was not harmed.

Next time someone gets killed and a situation is completely out of control you tell the family what you just said. Well the cops needed to slow down because some joe blow who was playing CS might get his feelings hurt if he is subdued due to a prank call.

This is as stupid as the people who complain about the reactions to bomb threats in schools etc.... The fact is you nor anyone out there who is on the outside knows what the potential for a situation is so you treat it serious. Back seat drivers and captain hindsight are unlikely to perform any better in the real world situations.
 
rudy said:
Did any of that happen here? We aren't talking about what might have happened in some other random occurrence we can see what really happened right here.
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Yeah we are, because I just did. I could also put a single bullet in a revolver, pull the trigger, and tell you, "Rudy, Rudy, Rudy relax. Take a deep breath. Did you die? NO! So stop being a spaz about what MIGHT have happened. Nothing happened, jesus!"
rudy said:
Next time someone gets killed and a situation is completely out of control you tell the family what you just said. Well the cops needed to slow down because some joe blow who was playing CS might get his feelings hurt if he is subdued due to a prank call.
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Next time someone gets killed and a situation is completely out of control, you tell the family why SWAT killed their child. A seven year old girl was killed just four years ago because of such an incident, and the video of the incident to this day has been supressed, and the same officers in question seven years ago were on trial for killing two dogs unnecessarily and pointing firearms at small children.

NEWSFLASH: POLICE OFFICERS HAVE GUNS!

You don't need to roll in with what is essentially geared much the same as full on soldiers fighting in Iraq based on nothing but a unconfirmed tip. You send cops. The cops have guns. They arrive on the scene and if there really is a need for SWAT with tanks and all that bullshit, then the cops call them in. They shouldn't be first responders based on anonymous tips. They shouldn't be used for minor house warrants like marijuana. Simply put, they shouldn't be used as often as they are.

Just this week as well, a school staff member was carrying an umbrella on a rainy day, someone tipped them that they thought he had a rifle, and SWAT was the first response:
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They ran through the campus pointing rifles in people's faces, scaring the living hell out of everyone, people running into classrooms barricading doors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm0n2ZFLnVY

How can you not recognize how this "SWAT first, ask questions later" bullshit is out of control?
 
I disagree its out of control. You would probably be complaining if it was a rifle and they sent out an officer to walk around and that officer was killed and talking about how dumb police officers are when a 911 call comes in about someone carrying a rifle in public. Besides I doubt they were pointing rifles in "people's faces" other than doing a standard sweep. In that picture it is just a standard pat down and a couple off duty officers called in being hyper vigilant and a couple other officers being laissez-faire.

And yes, swat gear is designed to overpower and outshoot any potential threat so what happened in LA a couple decades ago doesn't happen again.
 
Ducman69 said:
the same officers in question seven years ago were on trial for killing two dogs unnecessarily and pointing firearms at small children.

Just this week as well, a school staff member was carrying an umbrella on a rainy day, someone tipped them that they thought he had a rifle, and SWAT was the first response:
policestate.jpg


They ran through the campus pointing rifles in people's faces, scaring the living hell out of everyone, people running into classrooms barricading doors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm0n2ZFLnVY

How can you not recognize how this "SWAT first, ask questions later" bullshit is out of control?
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Those guys should never have been on a SWAT team.

But how can you say the rest after Virginia Tech, Aurora, etc, etc. A rifle isn't something you want to be wrong about.
 
Ducman69 said:
Yeah we are, because I just did. I could also put a single bullet in a revolver, pull the trigger, and tell you, "Rudy, Rudy, Rudy relax. Take a deep breath. Did you die? NO! So stop being a spaz about what MIGHT have happened. Nothing happened, jesus!"

Next time someone gets killed and a situation is completely out of control, you tell the family why SWAT killed their child. A seven year old girl was killed just four years ago because of such an incident, and the video of the incident to this day has been supressed, and the same officers in question seven years ago were on trial for killing two dogs unnecessarily and pointing firearms at small children.

NEWSFLASH: POLICE OFFICERS HAVE GUNS!

You don't need to roll in with what is essentially geared much the same as full on soldiers fighting in Iraq based on nothing but a unconfirmed tip. You send cops. The cops have guns. They arrive on the scene and if there really is a need for SWAT with tanks and all that bullshit, then the cops call them in. They shouldn't be first responders based on anonymous tips. They shouldn't be used for minor house warrants like marijuana. Simply put, they shouldn't be used as often as they are.

Just this week as well, a school staff member was carrying an umbrella on a rainy day, someone tipped them that they thought he had a rifle, and SWAT was the first response:
policestate.jpg


They ran through the campus pointing rifles in people's faces, scaring the living hell out of everyone, people running into classrooms barricading doors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm0n2ZFLnVY

How can you not recognize how this "SWAT first, ask questions later" bullshit is out of control?
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Oh dear people were scared, I guess that we should not bother responding because people might get scared, instead we will just let a shooter get extra time for his rampage. Maybe the police should switch over to pink uniforms. Ya maybe then the bad guys would just voluntarily stop being bad. Once again way to cite a situation where no one was harmed. This country is royally screwed up when the police can react to call, make it to it, not kill or harm anyone and people think that's not good enough. You know what is most hilarious about all this? Its the hypocrisy because the only way that police could better handle these situations is if they actually had more inside information. And the way they could have that is if they had the ability to see and hear everything everywhere. But let me guess you don't want to give them that power do you?

Once again I am pretty sure if you are incapable of cutting the police some slack when they don't even hurt anyone there is no way someone as dense and unrealistic as you could react better if in their position.
 
While I agree that you don't want the police to be wrong regarding a call of this nature, you'd think they'd try an exercise a bit of investigative ability prior to busting down doors. If shots are being fired, by all means, aggressively deal with the situation, but if not perhaps a degree of discretion should be exercised like knocking on the door rather than kicking it down first and asking questions later (if a check of the address in question comes back clean or unknown to police) and conditions support a more passive approach.

What is truly needed is a way for dispatchers to track down the individuals who are pranking the police and have incredibly steep penalties for doing so. You'd think the NSA with all their technology and monitoring abilities would be able to help out law enforcement in some way in this regard...;)
 
firas said:
15 Year Old Who “SWATTED” Gamer Convicted Of Domestic Terrorism; 25 Years To Life In Federal Prison - See more at: http://nationalreport.net/15-year-old-swatted-domestic-terrorism#sthash.NN4nZpSt.dpuf
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"Defense lawyers told the courtroom that Horner, who goes by the gamertag BadAssDwg69, was upset after being repeatedly beaten by a fellow gamer at Battlefield 4. After obtaining the rival gamers information, prosecutors say Horner called police and reported a murder/hostage situation at the home. SWAT team then raided the house, shooting and critically injuring the “Livestreamer’s” father in the process."

He deserves every minute of it.
 
"Horner, described as affecting a brash, “hardcore” persona while online was anything but throughout the trial. At multiple times Horner broke down into fits of sobbing hysteria and calls to his mother, to the point that the presiding Judge, Arthur Digsby, was forced to have him removed. Hearing the sentence of 25 years to life, Horner began sobbing."

Yeah, a real BadAssDwg!
 
firas 15 Year Old Who “SWATTED” Gamer Convicted Of Domestic Terrorism; 25 Years To Life In Federal Prison - See more at: http://nationalreport.net/15-year-old-swatted-domestic-terrorism#sthash.NN4nZpSt.dpuf
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Good, stupid little punk almost got the other player's father killed.

Meeho said:
"Horner, described as affecting a brash, “hardcore” persona while online was anything but throughout the trial. At multiple times Horner broke down into fits of sobbing hysteria and calls to his mother, to the point that the presiding Judge, Arthur Digsby, was forced to have him removed. Hearing the sentence of 25 years to life, Horner began sobbing."

Yeah, a real BadAssDwg!
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That's going be his nickname behind bars.
"You sure do have a bad ass dog, come here"
*flap flap flap flap....
:D
 
lcpiper said:
What makes you think they didn't have a warrant before they busted into the place? Seems they need one for that as well, which suggests they have the warrant and are not doing anything illegal or unconstitutional.
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They were responding to an emergency call, they didn't have a warrant. They entered the premises due to the perceived imminent danger.

That imminent danger does not apply to fishing through someones cell phone.

They could have waited for a warrant, but he wanted to know. So he committed a felony.

Which makes that officer a criminal.

That is the law. The sooner we start enforcing the law equally, the sooner I won't have to talk to you.
 
Anyone who SWATS a gamer streaming or in general like this deserves a very harsh punishment. I'm sadly awaiting a story where the police gun down an innocent individual because of this pathetic trend with psychos now.

Recently a CS:GO Livestreamer was Swatted except the Police drug dogs found 1 oz of pot and now he's being brought up on serious charges and possibly 10 years of jail time. This is an incredibly sad thing. With so much of country and the medical community embracing the benefits of weed its really sad to see the Federal Government treat it as if it was pounds of Heroin.
 
Godmachine said:
Anyone who SWATS a gamer streaming or in general like this deserves a very harsh punishment. I'm sadly awaiting a story where the police gun down an innocent individual because of this pathetic trend with psychos now.

Recently a CS:GO Livestreamer was Swatted except the Police drug dogs found 1 oz of pot and now he's being brought up on serious charges and possibly 10 years of jail time. This is an incredibly sad thing. With so much of country and the medical community embracing the benefits of weed its really sad to see the Federal Government treat it as if it was pounds of Heroin.
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Whoa! Most danger-est drug dealer there. Glad they threw the book at him.:rolleyes:
Fuck the police!
 
Godmachine said:
Anyone who SWATS a gamer streaming or in general like this deserves a very harsh punishment. I'm sadly awaiting a story where the police gun down an innocent individual because of this pathetic trend with psychos now.
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See link several posts back.
 
rudy said:
Oh dear people were scared, I guess that we should not bother responding because people might get scared, instead we will just let a shooter get extra time for his rampage.
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What shooter? What rampage? It was a tip for an umbrella on a rainy day. That's the whole point. Besides, if it was a real shooter, you'd have a hell of a lot less body bags if people could just defend themselves because THEY are there and know if they are being shot at or not. But nope, nanny state liberals would rather have SWAT teams barge in and kill innocent people by accident all the time as a first response, and draw chalk outlines around all the people killed 10 minutes before hand. Regular police have pistols and shotguns, they can investigate without running around throwing teargas, flashbangs, and pointing rifles at people's faces dressed up as army men with rock hard erections pumped up on adrenaline.
Meeho said:
"Defense lawyers told the courtroom that Horner, who goes by the gamertag BadAssDwg69, was upset after being repeatedly beaten by a fellow gamer at Battlefield 4. After obtaining the rival gamers information, prosecutors say Horner called police and reported a murder/hostage situation at the home. SWAT team then raided the house, shooting and critically injuring the “Livestreamer’s” father in the process."
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And that's the problem, we now place all of the blame on some stupid kid, when the real problem is the system in the first place with all these gung-ho first response SWAT teams. A couple of police officers arriving on scene could check if the tip is even valid first. No commotion, no gunshots, ring the doorbell or if suspicious use the car speaker to issue commands see if they open while standing safely to the side. If they encounter a hostage situation, back off and call in SWAT.

There is nothing wrong with SWAT, what is wrong is the fact that SWAT used to be a very rare thing, for when police encountered organized crime with automatic weapons entrenched, then you pull out what is essentially the army guys that are the types of individuals in the "hunt, murder, kill" mindset. But not as a first response to everything.

That guys father is now dead and some little beta-male twat kid's life is ruined, and we won't take any responsibility as a society for putting a system in place that caused it and causes it all the time.
 
Godmachine said:
Recently a CS:GO Livestreamer was Swatted except the Police drug dogs found 1 oz of pot and now he's being brought up on serious charges and possibly 10 years of jail time. This is an incredibly sad thing. With so much of country and the medical community embracing the benefits of weed its really sad to see the Federal Government treat it as if it was pounds of Heroin.
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Because they have to justify their ridiculous response, and they will do that by finding SOMETHING wrong and blowing up about it, so that putting everyone's life at risk and wasting tax payer money and scaring the crap out of people is all justified. You will never get an apology to a victim of a prank call.

And its not all departments, but far too many of late. For example, the NY SWAT team has literally only fired a single shot in the last 30 years. Literally one bullet. They realize that SWAT is something that you call in when a situation is confirmed by regular police officers such as standoffs with bank robberies or drawn out hostage situations where you need a sharp shooter. This is great, and it makes complete practical sense to have a channel of escalation with specialized equipment for exceedingly rare but dire circumstances. Sometimes a hammer doesn't work, you need a sledgehammer, and that tool is available.

Here's a great quote from Forbes, which was years ago (its far worse now):
The problem isn’t that we have SWAT teams to begin with, it’s that they are overused, carelessly deployed, and poorly trained. A well-armed, well-trained SWAT team responding to a shooting rampage or a bank robbery or hostage situation makes sense.

A well-armed, poorly-trained SWAT team breaking down the door of the wrong house, shooting the family dog, and terrorizing the inhabitants for no reason is a tragedy. It’s also the natural evolution of the War on Drugs, which is nothing if not an arms race. Maryland is a good example of how this all has gone so horribly, horribly wrong:

Over the last six months of 2009, SWAT teams were deployed 804 times in the state of Maryland, or about 4.5 times per day. In Prince George’s County alone, with its 850,000 residents, a SWAT team was deployed about once per day. According to a Baltimore Sun analysis, 94 percent of the state’s SWAT deployments were used to serve search or arrest warrants, leaving just 6 percent in response to the kinds of barricades, bank robberies, hostage takings, and emergency situations for which SWAT teams were originally intended.
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Ducman69 said:
And its not all departments, but far too many of late. For example, the NY SWAT team has literally only fired a single shot in the last 30 years. Literally one bullet. They realize that SWAT is something that you call in when a situation is confirmed by regular police officers such as standoffs with bank robberies or drawn out hostage situations where you need a sharp shooter. This is great, and it makes complete practical sense to have a channel of escalation with specialized equipment for exceedingly rare but dire circumstances. Sometimes a hammer doesn't work, you need a sledgehammer, and that tool is available.

Here's a great quote from Forbes, which was years ago (its far worse now):
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Excellent. Shows that there can be good use of the SWAT and abused use.

That's my biggest thing - there are times when a SWAT is WAY too much. The OP, maybe too much (or at least too much with too little info). Other times (and there are plenty of stories), you get no-knock warrants or wrong house or whatever, where people are injured (including babies) and it's over an ounce of pot or a warrant for someone that used to live there or whatever little reason.
 
No-knock warrants really are poor form esp when alot of them are done at night. It escalates things far too quickly plus it's legitimately confusing as they don't announce their presence so people can end up thinking it's robbers or something else which leads to unnecessary shots fired.

I don't see why they can't just announce over a loud speaker as soon as they break down the door and continue to have that being announced / hit the house with lights etc so it's much more obvious it's the police. Instead of guys with guns and body armor just shouting get down.

Although no-knock warrants don't have much to do with "swatting" as they don't need a warrant when a detailed threat is made. Seriously people need to learn how to troll and grief...
 
As no-knock warrants become more commonplace and garner more attention, criminals are probably going to use the tactic of barging into people's homes while identifying themselves as police more often as well.

As fear of harm from both the police and criminals increases and the doubt of whether or not they're police or criminals increases, I can see self-defense increasing proportionally. There's already been several deaths to police officers during no-knock raids from self-defense, and we've had rulings in favor of the defender.
 
Droc said:
Lots of SWAT departments are no longer public services. Lots are now private organizations that answer to no one.

didnt read all 11 pages, but
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-corporations-immune-from-open-records-laws/
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Rossman says. “They’re simply asserting that they’re private corporations.”

Love the first comment :)

So... an employee of a private corporation steps onto your property, all decked out in camo or black, wearing body armor, and pointing a rifle at you?

SHOOT THE F*CKER. You clearly have reasonable ground for fearing for your life and/or bodily safety.
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Semantics said:
Although no-knock warrants don't have much to do with "swatting" as they don't need a warrant when a detailed threat is made. Seriously people need to learn how to troll and grief...
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Similar type of response. Bust in unannounced. SWAT is a good resource, but I personally feel it's been over used.
 
lcpiper said:
You don't know what you are talking about. Stop reading the fucking news.

You haven't been there. you haven't driven around town while the Colonel of some BCT is checking in with the local Iraqi cops and driving the city to see the cops that are on duty and checking to see if some are doing stupid stuff like paying their neighbor(who isn't a cop and isn't trained) to take their shift. You think it's soldiers running around shooting the place up all the time and it's nothing like that at all. You do not know anything at all about what you are talking about, not a clue.

You haven't shopped at a bazaar, lived in an Iraqi home, ate with them, helped watch after their kids at school, nothing. You do not have any idea what was happening over there.
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I don't have to be there. It's called logic. If I watched you kill my brother, my neighbor, his kids, I would become YOUR next terrorist. I can see that you will never understand that.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041057612 said:
Honestly,

It doesn't really matter who is doing what. I have faith that the overwhelming majority of U.S. service members are decent people doing the best job they can in a tough situation.

That doesn't mean that going in was a good idea. We can pass the buck and play the blame game as much as we want, but the truth is this: We went into Iraq, and it set in motion a chain of events resulting in everything there falling to shit.

That, and there are many arguments for what Lith1um is saying being true, especially when it surrounds drone attacks, where innocent bystanders on the ground often fall victim in the process of taking out some high value target. This creates the next generation of terrorists.

We now have an entire generation of kids in Iraq and Afghanistan growing up who don't have a clear view of our intentions or who did what. All they know is "The Americans came, and my uncle/father/sister/whatever died or was dismembered" and you can be pretty damned sure they will remember that. A certain percentage of them will be radicalized, and it will likely amount to a larger proportion of the population than before our military interventions.

This is why resorting to military action is NEVER a good idea, unless there is absolutely no other option what so ever.

Afghanistan was arguably justifiable. Iraq definitely not.

But all that is done. We can't undo it now, and can't bring back the some 1million (ORB estimate) Iraqi civilians who died either as a direct result of our military action, or due to the instability created by our invasion of the country, and pointing fingers won't help.

The truth here is that - regardless of the merits of the decision to originally go in - we now live in a Colin Powell "you break it, you own it" world, and we most certainly broke it.
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Outstanding post. That is precisely what I meant.
 
Climber said:
No matter what we're damned if we do damned if we don't. You mostly hear the America is trying to be the world's police force dogma like it is a negative thing. What you don't hear or see from the news are those who are begging and pleading for our help and protection. There are populations who hate us for getting involved in their affairs and there are populations who hate us for not getting involved.
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Iraq has oil, we must save Iraq!!!!!!

Africa is full of coons! Fuck Africa! /That appears to be America's world police force dogma. //NO. I'm not a racist.

And, you don't see America standing as "World Policman" between Israel and Palestine as the population of Gaza is ground to dust. Greater than 60% of Gaza residents are minor children due to years of open conflict. They starve and go without medical care while Israeli's sleep in air conditioned homes. Where's the fucking world cop?


Here's the American diplomacy script,

World Cop to Israel;
"Here, have a few more F16's. And take a few of these JDAM's too........"

Israeli to World Cop;
"Thank you, my friend. We couldn't keep up the grind without you!"
 
Ducman69 said:
Zero harm? Far too often these SWAT raids result in unnecessary property and medical damages, as all it takes is for a citizen caught off guard to act irrationally from fear and move too fast or reach for something, and "BOOM! HEADSHOT!" woops, that wasn't actually a terrorist.
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You mean, "Shock and Awe!"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP0f00_JMak

What you see there is a simple calculation.

Evidence of non violent crime might be destroyed if precious seconds were granted.
VS
The potential of death or injury during paramilitary action. Broken eggs.

I don't care about the intentions or motivations, no matter how much you think you are helping people. Fuck you, fuck your wars.
 
Droc said:
Lots of SWAT departments are no longer public services. Lots are now private organizations that answer to no one.

didnt read all 11 pages, but
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-corporations-immune-from-open-records-laws/
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Holy crap, they even murdered one of their own.

/I'm sure they'd call it manslaughter, or some more palatable euphemism like, "tragic and unavoidable collateral damage".

Massachusetts also has a long history of accountability and excessive force problems with SWAT teams. A few examples:

•In 1988, Boston Det. Sherman Griffiths was killed in a botched drug raid later revealed to have been conducted based on information from an informant a subsequent investigation revealed that the police had simply made up.

•Six years later, the Rev. Accelyne Williams died of a heart attack during a mistaken drug raid on his home. The Boston Globe found that three of the officers involved in that raid had been accused in a 1989 civil rights suit of using fictional informants to obtain warrants for drug raids. In testimony for that suit, one witness testified that after realizing they’d just raided the wrong home, a Boston police officer shrugged, apologized and said, “This happens all the time.” The city settled with the plaintiffs.

•In 1996, the Fitchburg SWAT team was already facing a lawsuit for harassing a group of loiterers when it burned down an apartment complex during a botched drug raid. The SWAT team subsequently faced a number of other allegations of recklessness and misconduct.

•In January 2011, a SWAT team raided the Framingham, Mass., home of 68-year-old Eurie Stamps at around midnight on a drug warrant. Oddly, it had already arrested the subject of the warrant — Stamps’s 20-year-old stepson — outside the house. But because he lived in Stamps’s home, the team went ahead with the raid anyway. When the team encountered Stamps, it instructed him to lie on the floor. He complied. According to the police account, as one officer then moved toward Stamps to check for weapons, he lost his balance and fell. As he fell, his weapon discharged, sending a bullet directly into Stamps’s chest, killing him.
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Zarathustra[H];1041057612 said:
Honestly,

It doesn't really matter who is doing what. I have faith that the overwhelming majority of U.S. service members are decent people doing the best job they can in a tough situation.

That doesn't mean that going in was a good idea. We can pass the buck and play the blame game as much as we want, but the truth is this: We went into Iraq, and it set in motion a chain of events resulting in everything there falling to shit.

That, and there are many arguments for what Lith1um is saying being true, especially when it surrounds drone attacks, where innocent bystanders on the ground often fall victim in the process of taking out some high value target. This creates the next generation of terrorists.

We now have an entire generation of kids in Iraq and Afghanistan growing up who don't have a clear view of our intentions or who did what. All they know is "The Americans came, and my uncle/father/sister/whatever died or was dismembered" and you can be pretty damned sure they will remember that. A certain percentage of them will be radicalized, and it will likely amount to a larger proportion of the population than before our military interventions.

This is why resorting to military action is NEVER a good idea, unless there is absolutely no other option what so ever.

Afghanistan was arguably justifiable. Iraq definitely not.

But all that is done. We can't undo it now, and can't bring back the some 1million (ORB estimate) Iraqi civilians who died either as a direct result of our military action, or due to the instability created by our invasion of the country, and pointing fingers won't help.

The truth here is that - regardless of the merits of the decision to originally go in - we now live in a Colin Powell "you break it, you own it" world, and we most certainly broke it.
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You're confounding Afghanistan and Iraq. Setting Iraq aside because Iraq was really about removing Saddam and the mistaken attempt to rebuild the place.

But for Afghanistan, the little kid missing their daddy thing cuts both ways. They hosted and supported the people who turned two major buildings and 3000 people to dust.

Your attitude seems to be that we should just sit there and take our medicine or something. F/U. Aside from that there was the simple fact the people who did it would most probably do it again. They had to be removed.

And Afghanistan was far from a paradise, the civil war with the Taliban pretty much wrecked the place and killed hundreds of thousands before we got there.
 
Meeho said:
"Horner, described as affecting a brash, “hardcore” persona while online was anything but throughout the trial. At multiple times Horner broke down into fits of sobbing hysteria and calls to his mother, to the point that the presiding Judge, Arthur Digsby, was forced to have him removed. Hearing the sentence of 25 years to life, Horner began sobbing."

Yeah, a real BadAssDwg!
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Don't forget the "69" that shows he's hardcore legit! :D
 
Lith1um said:
Iraq has oil, we must save Iraq!!!!!
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Why don't you take a few minutes and research how much oil we got from Iraq before and after the gulf war. Also take the time to see which countries got more oil than us from Iraq.
 
Lith1um said:
Iraq has oil, we must save Iraq!!!!!!

Africa is full of coons! Fuck Africa! /That appears to be America's world police force dogma. //NO. I'm not a racist.

And, you don't see America standing as "World Policman" between Israel and Palestine as the population of Gaza is ground to dust. Greater than 60% of Gaza residents are minor children due to years of open conflict. They starve and go without medical care while Israeli's sleep in air conditioned homes. Where's the fucking world cop?


Here's the American diplomacy script,

World Cop to Israel;
"Here, have a few more F16's. And take a few of these JDAM's too........"

Israeli to World Cop;
"Thank you, my friend. We couldn't keep up the grind without you!"
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While you're playing the simple minded card, don't forget the part about "Dear Saudi Princes, we'll ignore your role in allowing Wahhabism free reign in your country to foster and encourage the creation of a jihadist mindset in order to allow a safety valve for your extremist subjects, and thereby keeping your corrupt regime in power".

Nothing is as simple as you want it to be.

Try to imagine the ME, including the SA peninsula and all the oil fields either under direct ISIS control or in flames...or even in a partial siege condition.

Imagine the world economy if oil were to suddenly triple in price.

Heck, imagine the US economy if one or two or even three airliners were blown out the sky by either man portable SAMs or onboard devices attributable to terrorists.

Just because it hasn't happened in the last 13 years doesn't mean it wasn't attempted or that the attempts haven't continued.

Unilateral "koombahyah" wishful thinking is for coffee house "progressive" discussions, not in real-politik.
 
bucketlist said:
And another.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/26422031/internet-gamer-falls-victim-to-swatting
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At least they didn't step on him and belittle him while digging through his crap and figured it out this time. They fixed his door nicely though.

But remember kids, the problem isn't with a system that sends no-knock SWAT teams at a moment's notice, its the prank callers.

Now lets take a step back here and imagine that this was a hostage situation.

Is storming in crashing through the door (which someone would hear) with a barrage of weapons the safest option for the hostage? Personally, if someone has a gun to my head I do NOT want a bunch of half-ass trained bacon storming through screaming and waving rifles around and deciding on a split second decision to open fire and who to open fire on, which hopefully happens before the person holding me hostage shoots me, because it takes 10 full seconds to pull a trigger. :rolleyes:

And if there is no hostage, I still don't see the benefit except that society gets a chance to hopefully get a cheaper excuse for the death penalty without all the back and forth with lawyers for 20 years.
 
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