The Xbox One is done

HisSvt76 said:
Hell yeah I went thru half a dozen different PS2's. Once I got the PS3 at launch I got rid of the ones I had left. My launch day Dreamcast still works though.

Been through 3 PS3's only one red ring 360. My launch original Xbox still works perfect.
My launch Wii still works perfect.

Got a damn Genesis that still works after being in a flood.

It's real funny sometimes what stuff lasts and what doesn't.
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I went through 12 xbox 360s...YES 12 RRs!! But I owned SIX 360s on a lan setup, which all had an average of two RRs each over the course of ownership. I was on a first name basis with Xbox Tech support for a good while lmao. AND my RRods were during the early days, when Microsoft used to give you free shit to compensate for the inconveniance. They used to offer you the choice of First Party games like Kameo or a controller as compensation and I had a plethora of spare controllers when everything was said and done lmao

In contrast I only had one YLOD on PS3 which I hired a craigslist hack to fix, but then again I only owned two PS3s.
 
12? Jesus. I would have gave up after 6 (I went through 6 myself but 2 where completely my fault).

However I don't think that'll be a concern for the Xbox One. Its got a pretty well circulated system and I doubt that it'll suffer from premature deaths like the 360. I think MS learned from its $2 Billion dollar mistake just how important it is to have a well ventilated system and not to go cheap during manufacturing.
 
Masi_23 said:
True that. Seriously though, 12? Did you have it inside an enclosed box? That's a lot of money.
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Masi_23 said:
12? Where do you put your Xbox while playing?
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Godmachine said:
12? Jesus. I would have gave up after 6 (I went through 6 myself but 2 where completely my fault).
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I thougt I was pretty clear in my post. I HAD SIX xbox 360s on a LAN setup, which consisted of 3 xbox 360s in my living room on 3 HDTVs & 1 in the living room on a projector, 1 on a HDTV in the guest bedroom and 1 on a projector in the master bedroom. I was young, single, beautiful, fresh out of college and had a banging job that payed well so I made my bachelor pad pretty insane....ahhh those good ol days are sadly long gone!

Each of those SIX xbox 360s RRd at least twice a peice which totals 12RRds...the total actually could have been closer to 15rrds I dunno, I lost count it was A LOT of RRs over a two-three year span. The xbox 360s were all ventalated well, but they could not handle the brute 6-12 hour gaming marathons. Well never had a problem with the 4 original xbox setup we had before the 6 xbox 360 setup, but then again the origina xbox was much better thermally.

Godmachine said:
However I don't think that'll be a concern for the Xbox One. Its got a pretty well circulated system and I doubt that it'll suffer from premature deaths like the 360. I think MS learned from its $2 Billion dollar mistake just how important it is to have a well ventilated system and not to go cheap during manufacturing.
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Right now I only have one xbox 360 and one PS3 that Im getting ready to sell. I have a PS4 on pre-order and will not be returning to xbox land anytime soon once NHL15 comes out on PS4. I feel like Microsoft stabbed its longtime xbox consumer in the back and Halo is not enough of an exclusive to keep me interested anymore.
 
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l88bastard said:
I thougt I was pretty clear in my post. I HAD SIX xbox 360s on a LAN setup, which consisted of 3 xbox 360s in my living room on 3 HDTVs & 1 in the living room on a projector, 1 on a HDTV in the guest bedroom and 1 on a projector in the master bedroom. I was young, single, beautiful, fresh out of college and had a banging job that payed well so I made my bachelor pad pretty insane....ahhh those good ol days are sadly long gone!

Each of those SIX xbox 360s RRd at least twice a peice which totals 12RRds...the total actually could have been closer to 15rrds I dunno, I lost count it was A LOT of RRs over a two-three year span. The xbox 360s were all ventalated well, but they could not handle the brute 6-12 hour gaming marathons. Well never had a problem with the 4 original xbox setup we had before the 6 xbox 360 setup, but then again the origina xbox was much better thermally.



Right now I only have one xbox 360 and one PS3 that Im getting ready to sell. I have a PS4 on pre-order and will not be returning to xbox land anytime soon once NHL15 comes out on PS4. I feel like Microsoft stabbed its longtime xbox consumer in the back and Halo is not enough of an exclusive to keep me interested anymore.
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Why do people keep bringing up RROD? It was fixed in new Machine in late 2008/early 2009 and the Xbox Slim in 2010 never had the problem. So, all it means that MS learn from their mistakes and it won't be a problem in the future.
 
^lol windows 8, RT? VIsta? ring a bell? and the fix was in mid 2009 with the jaspers
 
Mr.Scarface said:
Why do people keep bringing up RROD? It was fixed in new Machine in late 2008/early 2009 and the Xbox Slim in 2010 never had the problem. So, all it means that MS learn from their mistakes and it won't be a problem in the future.
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It was never fully fixed. Slims still get RRoD, it's just less common.
 
Kinsaras said:
It was never fully fixed. Slims still get RRoD, it's just less common.
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slims cannot get a rrod error as they do not have the ring indicator anymore it's just a single LED in the center of the power button.

and yes, the RROD issue has been fixed but that does not mean consoles cannot fail for other reasons triggering the light of death on slim or red indicators on the older models.
 
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YeuEmMaiMai said:
slings cannot get rrod as they do not have the ring indicator anymore it's just a single LED in the center of the power button.

and yes, the RROD issue has been fixed but that does not mean consoles cannot fail for other reasons triggering the light of death on slim or red indicators on the older models.
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So what you're saying is the new ones don't get the RRoD because there is no longer a ring? Sounds like they didn't actually fix it, but it is less common failure now, just like he said.
 
l88bastard said:
I went through 12 xbox 360s...YES 12 RRs!! But I owned SIX 360s on a lan setup, which all had an average of two RRs each over the course of ownership. I was on a first name basis with Xbox Tech support for a good while lmao. AND my RRods were during the early days, when Microsoft used to give you free shit to compensate for the inconveniance. They used to offer you the choice of First Party games like Kameo or a controller as compensation and I had a plethora of spare controllers when everything was said and done lmao

In contrast I only had one YLOD on PS3 which I hired a craigslist hack to fix, but then again I only owned two PS3s.
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Do you live on the sun or something? :p I know RROD's are real common, but I can't help but wonder if there is an environmental factor at work there. That's a shockingly high number.

Or maybe I've just been lucky with consoles. I've still got my launch day Xbox 360, and it works like a champ. It sounds like a jumbo jet, but it's never had a problem. I replaced it with a slim about a year ago because I was tired of the noise and wanted HDMI. But it served faithfully until then.

I also have had two PS3's, both without a single problem.
 
CMadki4 said:
So what you're saying is the new ones don't get the RRoD because there is no longer a ring? Sounds like they didn't actually fix it, but it is less common failure now, just like he said.
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****please pay attention now hisory lesson in progress****

The RROD was caused by Microsoft incorrectly manufacturing the GPU for the 360. The chip in question was missing a metal layer that was designed to help deal with the new tin based solder. The JASPER units released Mid 2009 had chips that were respun on a newer process to add this much needed layer to the chip. Since then, there have been no massive console failures due to RROD.

Yes MS has some failures but they are now inline with what is to be expected for electronics produced
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
****please pay attention now hisory lesson in progress****

The RROD was caused by Microsoft incorrectly manufacturing the GPU for the 360. The chip in question was missing a metal layer that was designed to help deal with the new tin based solder. The JASPER units released Mid 2009 had chips that were respun on a newer process to add this much needed layer to the chip. Since then, there have been no massive console failures due to RROD.

Yes MS has some failures but they are now inline with what is to be expected for electronics produced
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Consider me schooled. Never was much on history... ;)
 
Uhhh ooooo spaghetiioooos!!! (Inn before Kinect white knights of peace come in to proclaim Carmacks experience to be null an void because he used a pre-alpha build version of kinect 2 and that somehow microsoft wizards will pull off the hail mary of all baby jesus by release date)


During his QuakeCon keynote, id Software's John Carmack says the next generation of consoles are both "very good," but Kinect has latency issues.

But while Carmack notes the similarities between next-gen hardware, he doesn't seem quite as convinced on the new Kinect. Calling Microsoft's motion sensor "sort of like a zero-button mouse with a lot of latency," Carmack clearly has some major issues with the device's functionality.

"Kinect still has some fundamental limitations with the latency and framerate," said Carmack. "It's fundamentally a poor interaction."
 
^ carmack hasn't made anything worth a crap in over a decade his opinion isn't that relevant.
 
HisSvt76 said:
^ carmack hasn't made anything worth a crap in over a decade his opinion isn't that relevant.
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The original Kinect wasn't exactly amazing from a game play perspective. MS promised the moon and delivered a slow reacting motion control system with poor accurary and mediocre (at best) voice control. MS is making the same promises about the K2 that they made about the Kinect, not much of a reason to believe them this time around. They didn't mention K2 at all during their E3 games conference, reinforcing they they have nothing to show.
 
ocellaris said:
The original Kinect wasn't exactly amazing from a game play perspective. MS promised the moon and delivered a slow reacting motion control system with poor accurary and mediocre (at best) voice control. MS is making the same promises about the K2 that they made about the Kinect, not much of a reason to believe them this time around. They didn't mention K2 at all during their E3 games conference, reinforcing they they have nothing to show.
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Your right because it's totally impossible they learned anything from the shortcomings of the first one.
 
HisSvt76 said:
Your right because it's totally impossible they learned anything from the shortcomings of the first one.
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They certainly never apologized for the shitiness of the first one after snatching $150 from my house.

AAA gaming without buttons to press is a fundamentally flawed concept. Even the best Kinect games were gimmicky (or dance games).
 
ocellaris said:
They certainly never apologized for the shitiness of the first one after snatching $150 from my house.

AAA gaming without buttons to press is a fundamentally flawed concept. Even the best Kinect games were gimmicky (or dance games).
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We're you expecting AAA gaming with the Kinect? You could have looked at the Wii and saw that the top-tier games on that platform (Mario, Donkey Kong, etc) used very limited motion controls. The games that required a lot of movement were shitty exercise and dance games, or else gimmicky mini-game stuff that while sometimes fun, got old fast. The Wii made it pretty clear that motion controls would never find their place in hardcore gaming.

You said yourself the concept was flawed, which makes me curious to know why you'd get one if you knew this going in?
 
HisSvt76 said:
Your right because it's totally impossible they learned anything from the shortcomings of the first one.
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Umm, dude....according to what Carmack JUST SAID they apparently have learned nothing from the short comings of the first one.

 
I guess if you are looking to the Kinect as way to revolutionize the gaming input experience you are always going to be disappointed by it. even if it could be 100% accurate in movement capture and have zero latency it would not be a good interface. we want our input smoothing and aim algorithms. we want our discreet button pushing to perform a specific action. if we could do things in real movements as well as we can via a controller and software, we wouldn't be playing in fantasy environments.

the advantage is that it allows for non controller based input.. Switching out weaponry / ammo types and issuing squad orders in ME3 without pulling up a menu mid-fight was a great improvement over ME2 for my gaming experience. The head tracking in Forza 4 was another subtle improvement that added to the game play experience. My wife has limited muscle control in her left hand, ever tried navigating through the home menus without using your left hand? the Gesture commands and voice commands help tremendously in that regard. . the Skype functionality is nice when you have family spread across the continent.

there is no killer app for Kinect, and I doubt there ever will be. what it does provide is the opportunity for additional inputs that aren't controller/headset based as well as increasing accessibility to the console in general. my purchase was less of an expectation of a revolution in gaming and more of support for continued development in its technology.
 
Nimisys said:
I guess if you are looking to the Kinect as way to revolutionize the gaming input experience you are always going to be disappointed by it. even if it could be 100% accurate in movement capture and have zero latency it would not be a good interface. we want our input smoothing and aim algorithms. we want our discreet button pushing to perform a specific action. if we could do things in real movements as well as we can via a controller and software, we wouldn't be playing in fantasy environments.

the advantage is that it allows for non controller based input.. Switching out weaponry / ammo types and issuing squad orders in ME3 without pulling up a menu mid-fight was a great improvement over ME2 for my gaming experience. The head tracking in Forza 4 was another subtle improvement that added to the game play experience. My wife has limited muscle control in her left hand, ever tried navigating through the home menus without using your left hand? the Gesture commands and voice commands help tremendously in that regard. . the Skype functionality is nice when you have family spread across the continent.

there is no killer app for Kinect, and I doubt there ever will be. what it does provide is the opportunity for additional inputs that aren't controller/headset based as well as increasing accessibility to the console in general. my purchase was less of an expectation of a revolution in gaming and more of support for continued development in its technology.
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The only advantage for Kinect as a gaming accessory is that it can be used in conjunction with a standard controller. However, it's never been used in such a way that actually made sense, outside of voice commands.
 
From the article:
Sony learned a long hard lesson with it’s laissez-faire approach to online gaming: a free service that happens to be fairly cruddy may as well not exist in the first place.
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Did you hear that everyone, PSN is so "cruddy" it shouldn't even exist.
 
RaZoRbLaDeD said:
I don't know a SINGLE serious gamer that gives a single sh|t about kinnect.
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^ This

If the kinect was optional, I might still get the Xbox One and just leave the kinect in the box. But since we're forced to use it, I'm likely not getting one and I might even cancel my Xbox live sub (I haven't played my 360 online in a long time). And I've had a gold membership for over 5 years and I have 2 360s (one for me and one for the wife).

I could change my mind down the road, but right now, I'm not very interested in the Xbox One.
 
I am latino, which means that i grew up on futbol, and now FIFA 14 won't compete.

I knew that someone was gonna bring that up tho :)
 
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...with-xbox-one-day-one-edition-pre-orders-only

"oops, we lied on twitter, it was only a specific version that which will include the download code for FIFA 14!"

Fun thing that this is a "while stocks last" for a digital download copy of the game, and still missing the extra controller that the PS4 bundle includes.

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https://twitter.com/Xbox/statuses/372410895609364480

^^ That was the original post, from the official xbox account, and in case they delete it says

" Seguir

XboxCuenta verificada
‏@Xbox
@Ianoconnor22 All pre-orders come with FIFA 14 in Europe, Ian. Doesn't matter if it's a Day One console or not. "

So, with this backtracking, how many more have happened so far?
 
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More bad news today:

No Illumiroom - http://www.oxm.co.uk/61544/xbox-ill...-see-release-would-cost-thousands-of-dollars/
No External Storage support - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-09-02-xbox-one-wont-support-external-storage-at-launch

The problem I see is they knew all along the Illumiroom would be cost prohibitive for home use (thousands of dollars they claim now) but teased it anyway to generate preorder buzz. As for the no external storage situation, its bad because unlike the PS4 internal drive which can be upgraded/swapped/replaced, the XBONE's internal drive cannot and you're stuck with 500GB and if it dies after warranty expires you're SOL.

What other zingers are they going to drop on their preorder customers before launch, gotta wonder.
 
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DPI said:
More bad news today:

No Illumiroom - http://www.oxm.co.uk/61544/xbox-ill...-see-release-would-cost-thousands-of-dollars/
No External Storage support - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-09-02-xbox-one-wont-support-external-storage-at-launch

The problem I see is they knew all along the Illumiroom would be cost prohibitive for home use (thousands of dollars they claim now) but teased it anyway to generate preorder buzz. As for the no external storage situation, its bad because unlike the PS4 internal drive which can be upgraded/swapped/replaced, the XBONE's internal drive cannot and you're stuck with 500GB and if it dies after warranty expires you're SOL.

What other zingers are they going to drop on their preorder customers before launch, gotta wonder.
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They said there will be external storage support just not at launch. Way to spin the article.

500GB's will be fine for the first year. I doubt every Blu Ray game will be 50GB , more than likely it'll be like the PS3 with some games clocking in at 10-15GB's and some 25-35GB's and maybe a couple at 50GB. This would still leave you with plenty of storage space for now.

The only downside is that the HDD is not user replaceable which is a big downside considering that it should be user replaceable.
 
Seems odd they can't support external storage at launch. External storage isn't exactly a new concept that requires a ton of development for a console running a Windows kernel.
 
ocellaris said:
Seems odd they can't support external storage at launch. External storage isn't exactly a new concept that requires a ton of development for a console running a Windows kernel.
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Well considering they have encrypt everything otherwise pirates will use it handily for playing things like pirated games or altering key pieces of internal software , they actually do have to develop it in a way that it'll function in line with their own internal storage options.

Offering external storage is a risk but I think game piracy on the Xbox One will be lower than the 360 due to file sizes being beyond the reason of most 5mbps (the average Internet speed in the US) gamers who aren't willing to wait a week plus to download a single game.
 
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