NVIDIA GK104 Coming Soon?

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The video is a leak, not an offfical nV demo. Did it really look like that to you?
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You misunderstood my post.
If Nvidia was this far along and could already play games on the silicon and was getting that impressive of numbers why wouldnt they release something offical.
This 'leak' looks more like a fake to me.
I never said the video was an offical nvidia marketing demo. Rather why wouldnt they have made an offical marketing demo is what i was saying.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
You misunderstood my post.
If Nvidia was this far along and could already play games on the silicon and was getting that impressive of numbers why wouldnt they release something offical.
This 'leak' looks more like a fake to me.
I never said the video was an offical nvidia marketing demo. Rather why wouldnt they have made an offical marketing demo is what i was saying.
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nV is planning a hard lanuch i.e. GTX 580. You will not hear anything official until the cards are ready to ship.
Since Kyle gave a hint that nV "probably" spoke to [H] about something, it's plausible that a rougue reviewer from another site under NDA choose to leak the results of his sample card.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
You misunderstood my post.
If Nvidia was this far along and could already play games on the silicon and was getting that impressive of numbers why wouldnt they release something offical.
This 'leak' looks more like a fake to me.
I never said the video was an offical nvidia marketing demo. Rather why wouldnt they have made an offical marketing demo is what i was saying.
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No. Looks like either a fake, or a reviewer leaking, because nVidia seems to be going for a hard launch.
 
The videos are fake, no engineering sample is named by device manager as engineering sample.

That said, they just spoofed a 460 with a light overclock.
 
Revdarian said:
The videos are fake, no engineering sample is named by device manager as engineering sample.

That said, they just spoofed a 460 with a light overclock.
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I'm guessing nvidia had the videos removed due to bad press.
 
Trimlock said:
I'm guessing nvidia had the videos removed due to bad press.
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"the uploader has closed his youtube account" isn't the message they put when it breaks NDA's or similar, i guess that the uploader got his kicks, but noticed that in certain forums, like anandtech, his lies didn't fly, and thus he just closed the account himself.
 
Revdarian said:
"the uploader has closed his youtube account" isn't the message they put when it breaks NDA's or similar, i guess that the uploader got his kicks, but noticed that in certain forums, like anandtech, his lies didn't fly, and thus he just closed the account himself.
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Or he could have received word from nvidia to close it? But yea no one was buying these videos.

reminds me of when hexus tried to oc an X850XT and claim it was a X1800XT.
 
lillimon04 said:
How much do you think the gtx 670ti will be? 400?
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That depends. Just going by the past where one could reasonably expect a next gen mid-range card to perform close to the previous gen top end card, I'd say about $250.

BUT...

Seeing all these posts where people are defending AMD's new pricing strategy and (this is my favorite) saying how could Nvidia sell a card with 580 level performance for less than 580 pricing :)rolleyes:), with that in mind I'd say about $500

Seriously. People at Nvidia will be reading these threads and thinking "what good reason is there not to rape these dummies?"
 
needmorecarnitine said:
That depends. Just going by the past where one could reasonably expect a next gen mid-range card to perform close to the previous gen top end card, I'd say about $250.

BUT...

Seeing all these posts where people are defending AMD's new pricing strategy and (this is my favorite) saying how could Nvidia sell a card with 580 level performance for less than 580 pricing :)rolleyes:), with that in mind I'd say about $500

Seriously. People at Nvidia will be reading these threads and thinking "what good reason is there not to rape these dummies?"
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Haha that would suck if they actually upped the price from this thread. But I really hope its around 500 so I can justify purchasing this Asus Matrix GTX 580. :(
 
needmorecarnitine said:
That depends. Just going by the past where one could reasonably expect a next gen mid-range card to perform close to the previous gen top end card, I'd say about $250.

BUT...

Seeing all these posts where people are defending AMD's new pricing strategy and (this is my favorite) saying how could Nvidia sell a card with 580 level performance for less than 580 pricing :)rolleyes:), with that in mind I'd say about $500

Seriously. People at Nvidia will be reading these threads and thinking "what good reason is there not to rape these dummies?"
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Yep :(.
 
needmorecarnitine said:
That depends. Just going by the past where one could reasonably expect a next gen mid-range card to perform close to the previous gen top end card, I'd say about $250.

BUT...

Seeing all these posts where people are defending AMD's new pricing strategy and (this is my favorite) saying how could Nvidia sell a card with 580 level performance for less than 580 pricing :)rolleyes:), with that in mind I'd say about $500

Seriously. People at Nvidia will be reading these threads and thinking "what good reason is there not to rape these dummies?"
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It simply comes from understanding economics or not. No company is "raping" anyone. 28nm production sucks at the moment, and no company is going to price their products to sell quickly so that shelves can then sit empty while new supply trickles in. That's idiotic.
 
Revdarian said:
The videos are fake, no engineering sample is named by device manager as engineering sample.
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Oddly enough, I've found while testing the Windows 8 Consumer Preview for the past month at work, many video cards show up as exactly that in Device Manager. Usually something like "CardName (Engineering Sample)". Even just regular off the shelf video cards show up like that. Seems to be the pre-release drivers that trigger that extra text on 8, so I don't think it's impossible for the same text to show up in 7 with pre-release drivers.
 
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kingduqc said:
I feel like nvidia are so late to the party...
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I agree. They are still doing better than the catastrophe that was the 480 launch. That was about 7 months late. Here, they are boarding on 3 months late. Possibly 4-5 months late. So that's a bit of an improvement? They are ...catching up?

I must say though I congratulate all of those people who decided to buy the 7950 and 7970 at launch as they have been enjoying a few months of gaming bliss in those few really demanding titles like BF3.

needmorecarnitine said:
(this is my favorite) saying how could Nvidia sell a card with 580 level performance for less than 580 pricing :)rolleyes:), with that in mind I'd say about $500
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I'm not sure why you roll your eyes at that reasoning. While, I agree that ATI's cards seem priced a bit high considering the 'not-so-amazing' performance advantage of the 69xx series, I think your being too optomistic about nVidia's kindness and generousity.

Here's why I think that reasoning makes sense given that selling units so cheap they don't sit on the shelf isn't smart business sense or very responsible to shareholders. If the only advantage is you might be able to tout better marketshare steam hardware survey numbers. The only way that would work to their advantage is if when nVidia cards where out of stock on the shelf, people WOULDN'T choose to buy an available 7970 card today because the price/performance ratio was so convincing/desireable and ATI not improving their price/performance ratio to compete via competitive pricing. IE, ATI basically acting like its a 'premium brand' similar to expensive wine versus cheaper wines versus wine in a box.

I recall days of the 7800s when nVidia was fairly dominate for a while and flagship cards of $700+ dollars. If they have a winner, I don't see why nVidia's strategy would suddenly charge or nVidia would become 'nicer' to win 'fan favour' with PC gamers. Thinking this almost seems akin to the battered-wife syndrome where you just hope they'll act/be nicer this time ...because...you hope they'll act better/nice this time ...because... they really deep down inside love you.

Until both the 69xx series and 580 series go EOL and nVidia/ATI both confirm its EOL, I wouldn't expect semi-next-gen prices to drop to this-generation prices. I also don't expect either line to really go EOL till they can produce enough 28nm parts to keep them readily available on shelves without instantly selling out. As otherwise, they are cannibalizing possible sales they could make to customers of 6xxx/5xx cards when the next generation is out of stock thus reducing overall profitability. Especially when you consider the margins on the older more stable die process are likely yielding better thus resulting in more profit per wafer.

I suppose the counter argument that Nvidia loves us and will give us super-cheap cards despite no pressure from our competitor to do so and past-history demonstrating nVidia had previously priced cards expensively, makes sense too.
 
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I must say though I congratulate all of those people who decided to buy the 7950 and 7970 at launch as they have been enjoying a few months of gaming bliss in those few really demanding titles like BF3.
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Thank you! I have!
 
WBurchnall said:
I must say though I congratulate all of those people who decided to buy the 7950 and 7970 at launch as they have been enjoying a few months of gaming bliss in those few really demanding titles like BF3.
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It's been anything but blissful, and the performance of a single 7950/7970 oc'd just isn't enough at max settings in BF3 2560x1600, while CF is plagued with issues. Add in the ULPS bugs that have been nailing me, and I'm dying to go to Kepler once it's out. Thank god for return policies... these things are borderline defective if you ask me, due to the driver bugs/issues.
 
GoldenTiger said:
It's been anything but blissful, and the performance of a single 7950/7970 oc'd just isn't enough at max settings in BF3 2560x1600, while CF is plagued with issues. Add in the ULPS bugs that have been nailing me, and I'm dying to go to Kepler once it's out. Thank god for return policies... these things are borderline defective if you ask me, due to the driver bugs/issues.
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I'm sorry you are having problems but the fact that YOU are having CF problems does not = everyone having CF problems on 79XX. I will not for one second attempt to state as a fact that CF is not a pain, it can be. On the other hand the "grass is always greener" attitude is pure BS. I have had enough problems from both camps in sinlge and multi GPU configurations to know that Nvidia is not "all that". I agree that WBurchnall's post was a very generic post implying everything is blissful, it hasn't been for some. On the other hand your post was the exact opposite, you are implying that the 79XX series are broken and bugged and that Kepler will be a saviour. Both opinions are extremes, the truth is that 79XX series are very good cards and those who adopted early know there will be teething issues but that they currently have the very fastest singles GPUs available.

Almost every time I have used AMD for a a few months or a year or so I always have the rose tinted memory of how great Nvidia's drivers are. Then when I switch to Nvidia I remember all the things that annoyed me about the drivers or certain issues with my favourite games. The same thing happens the other way, I have Nvidia for a year and I start remembering how AMD gave me less hassles. It's all BS of course, both Nvidia and AMD have their fair share of problems and bugs.

Oh and for the record, my single 7970 plays BF3 at ultra settings at what IMHO was a very decent FPS. Obviously your idea and my idea of good FPS will be different, but I find 40 FPS average with ultra settings at 2560x1600 quite playable.
 
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ICDP said:
I'm sorry you are having problems but the fact that YOU are having CF problems does not = everyone having CF problems on 79XX. I will not for one second attempt to state as a fact that CF is not a pain, it can be. On the other hand the "grass is always greener" attitude is pure BS. I have had enough problems from both camps in sinlge and multi GPU configurations to know that Nvidia is not "all that". I agree that WBurchnall's post was a very generic post implying everything is blissful, it hasn't been for some. On the other hand your post was the exact opposite, you are implying that the 79XX series are broken and bugged and that Kepler will be a saviour. Both opinions are extremes, the truth is that 79XX series are very good cards and those who adopted early know there will be teething issues but that they currently have the very fastest singles GPUs available.

Almost every time I have used AMD for a a few months or a year or so I always have the rose tinted memory of how great Nvidia's drivers are. Then when I switch to Nvidia I remember all the things that annoyed me about the drivers or certain issues with my favourite games. The same thing happens the other way, I have Nvidia for a year and I start remembering how AMD gave me less hassles. It's all BS of course, both Nvidia and AMD have their fair share of problems and bugs.

Oh and for the record, my single 7970 plays BF3 at ultra settings at what IMHO was a very decent FPS. Obviously your idea and my idea of good FPS will be different, but I find 40 FPS average with ultra settings at 2560x1600 quite playable.
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I've read and heard of CF issues with virtually everyone in the user threads here and at OCN, but the rest I made sure to say that they were issues I was having, not card-wide issues. That said, I do about the opposite, I keep trying AMD because I see an awesome card they've released, get burnt on the drivers, and go back to nVidia where I run the rig with few-if-any issues until I get that upgrade itch... not saying that for everyone that runs AMD they're going to crash and burn on them, by any means, but for me I've rarely had good luck with them.

As far as 7970 BF3, if I run everything at Ultra EXCEPT msaa disabled and HBAO set to SSAO, that's about my average 2560x1600, and it dumps down to 30's during heavy action on the ground (64-player conquest maps, Karkand). Most of the time it's 40-50, but it's just not fluid during when it counts, and still kinda choppy during gameplay normally at that speed to me.
 
ICDP said:
I'm sorry you are having problems but the fact that YOU are having CF problems does not = everyone having CF problems on 79XX. I will not for one second attempt to state as a fact that CF is not a pain, it can be. On the other hand the "grass is always greener" attitude is pure BS. I have had enough problems from both camps in sinlge and multi GPU configurations to know that Nvidia is not "all that". I agree that WBurchnall's post was a very generic post implying everything is blissful, it hasn't been for some. On the other hand your post was the exact opposite, you are implying that the 79XX series are broken and bugged and that Kepler will be a saviour. Both opinions are extremes, the truth is that 79XX series are very good cards and those who adopted early know there will be teething issues but that they currently have the very fastest singles GPUs available.

Almost every time I have used AMD for a a few months or a year or so I always have the rose tinted memory of how great Nvidia's drivers are. Then when I switch to Nvidia I remember all the things that annoyed me about the drivers or certain issues with my favourite games. The same thing happens the other way, I have Nvidia for a year and I start remembering how AMD gave me less hassles. It's all BS of course, both Nvidia and AMD have their fair share of problems and bugs.

Oh and for the record, my single 7970 plays BF3 at ultra settings at what IMHO was a very decent FPS. Obviously your idea and my idea of good FPS will be different, but I find 40 FPS average with ultra settings at 2560x1600 quite playable.
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All true except for the 40 fps part which would make me sick.
 
spaceman said:
All true except for the 40 fps part which would make me sick.
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I can tell the difference between 40 and 60 FPS and of course 60 FPS is much smoother and more fluid, but I do find 40 to be more than acceptable. Maybe I'm just lucky enough to find anything over 35 FPS smooth enough. It keeps me from having to purchase multi GPU setups, :)
 
GoldenTiger said:
I've read and heard of CF issues with virtually everyone in the user threads here and at OCN, but the rest I made sure to say that they were issues I was having, not card-wide issues. That said, I do about the opposite, I keep trying AMD because I see an awesome card they've released, get burnt on the drivers, and go back to nVidia where I run the rig with few-if-any issues until I get that upgrade itch... not saying that for everyone that runs AMD they're going to crash and burn on them, by any means, but for me I've rarely had good luck with them.
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I know CF does cause problems, I had 2X 6970s for a while. The fact that AMD released beta drivers for the 7900 series does suck, but there are plenty of reviews and people who prove that it can and does work. My experience on Nvidia has tended to be no better or worse than that of AMD. I am far more into sims than any other genre and of the sims I play both AMD and Nvidia have some fairly serious issues.

The last time I had a Nvidia setup (SLI GTX 460s) I had serious problems with negative scaling, graphical corruption and CTDs with practically every sim I played. It was the same with my CF 6970s. So my experience is that multi GPU from both camps has been a buggy mess. I do of course recognise that my experience does not = everyone elses.

GoldenTiger said:
As far as 7970 BF3, if I run everything at Ultra EXCEPT msaa disabled and HBAO set to SSAO, that's about my average 2560x1600, and it dumps down to 30's during heavy action on the ground (64-player conquest maps, Karkand). Most of the time it's 40-50, but it's just not fluid during when it counts, and still kinda choppy during gameplay normally at that speed to me.
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Some people might find that acceptable given the fact that it is a single GPU. The fact that a single 7970 can't play BF3 maxed out at 2560x1600 with 60 FPS on the latest games does not make it a poor card, or a poor purchase. Obviously you are aware of this, hence the reason you purchased two of them for Crossfire. Though the fact that you found CF problematic doesn't mean it doesn't work, I do accept it isn't easy with beta drivers but most reviews I read show Crossfire 7970s giving good scaling on BF3.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-crossfire-review/19

I am not saying you are wrong, or that CF problems don't exist for 79XX. My point was that the "grass is always greener" mentalitiy is fallacious and that your pressumptions that Kepler would be any better is based on nothing but conjecture. you obviously have had enough GPUs from both AMD and Nvidia to know that Nvidia drivers are not always hassle free. I can sure remember the many times I cursed Nvidia for their crap drivers, one set even killed one of my SLI GTX 260s, but I'm not going to proclaim Nvidia cards or their drivers as worthless, the way you have with AMD 79XX. Or was I wrong to assume the following statement wasn't intended to imply the 79XX series sucked?

"these things are borderline defective if you ask me, due to the driver bugs/issues".

My apologies for bringing my main point up again, but to proclaim the 79XX series as "borderline deffective" based on your experience is fallacious. By the same token WBurchnall's view that they are gaming bliss suffers from the same over generalisation. The truth as always, lies somewhere in between.
 
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GoldenTiger said:
As far as 7970 BF3, if I run everything at Ultra EXCEPT msaa disabled and HBAO set to SSAO, that's about my average 2560x1600, and it dumps down to 30's during heavy action on the ground (64-player conquest maps, Karkand). Most of the time it's 40-50, but it's just not fluid during when it counts, and still kinda choppy during gameplay normally at that speed to me.
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Is that at stock clocks? My overclocked 7970 gets better frames than that with 4xMSAA and HBAO on. With MSAA off and SSAO on I rarely drop below 60FPS at 2560x1600.
 
ICDP said:
I can tell the difference between 40 and 60 FPS and of course 60 FPS is much smoother and more fluid, but I do find 40 to be more than acceptable. Maybe I'm just lucky enough to find anything over 35 FPS smooth enough. It keeps me from having to purchase multi GPU setups, :)
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Heh, I was like that when I got my first real GPU (after dealing with Intel "Extreme Editon 2 GPU," but I've been getting spoiled over the past few years :eek:
 
Mr. K6 said:
Is that at stock clocks? My overclocked 7970 gets better frames than that with 4xMSAA and HBAO on. With MSAA off and SSAO on I rarely drop below 60FPS at 2560x1600.
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That was at 1120 on the core for the 7970 alone, on 64-player conquest maps (excluding Metro).

ICDP said:
So my experience is that multi GPU from both camps has been a buggy mess. I do of course recognise that my experience does not = everyone elses.


My point was that the "grass is always greener" mentalitiy is fallacious and that your pressumptions that Kepler would be any better is based on nothing but conjecture. you obviously have had enough GPUs from both AMD and Nvidia to know that Nvidia drivers are not always hassle free.


"these things are borderline defective if you ask me, due to the driver bugs/issues".
My apologies for bringing my main point up again, but to proclaim the 79XX series as "borderline deffective" based on your experience is fallacious. By the same token WBurchnall's view that they are gaming bliss suffers from the same over generalisation. The truth as always, lies somewhere in between.
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1) I've never had multi-GPU issues with nVidia, the "worst" being that 8800GT 512 SLI would only work for SLI AA mode during Warhammer Online's beta, but not normal mode. Hardly an issue.

2) It's not a grass is always greener mentality when it always has been for me. It's just plain experience.

3) I said "if you ask me", i.e. my personal experience is the 79xx series is bad. I didn't say they are period.
 
GoldenTiger said:
That was at 1120 on the core for the 7970 alone, on 64-player conquest maps (excluding Metro).
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Hmmm, it still seems like your FPS are too low. I play at 1300/1600, but that's only 16% clock advantage (vRAM speed helps too, the 7970 is very bandwidth bottlenecked).
 
Mr. K6 said:
Hmmm, it still seems like your FPS are too low. I play at 1300/1600, but that's only 16% clock advantage (vRAM speed helps too, the 7970 is very bandwidth bottlenecked).
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Could be that, then, to an extent... I didn't really try pushing the memory speeds too much.
 
GoldenTiger said:
1) I've never had multi-GPU issues with nVidia, the "worst" being that 8800GT 512 SLI would only work for SLI AA mode during Warhammer Online's beta, but not normal mode. Hardly an issue.
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Nobody, gives a crap! Same as they don't give a crap that my experience with CF and SLI has been nothing but heartache and worthless. I would never proclaim ALL multi GPU solutions as broken based on my very limited experience based on my very niche uses.

GoldenTiger said:
2) It's not a grass is always greener mentality when it always has been for me. It's just plain experience.
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Or PEBKAC. If a very, very small minority of people encounter an obscure bug most others don't, then where do you think the problem lies?

GoldenTiger said:
3) I said "if you ask me", i.e. my personal experience is the 79xx series is bad. I didn't say they are period.
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In my experience when someone says "if you ask me", they are really saying, "here is my biased, myopic opinion based on my own negative experience". You proclaimed them as "borderline deffective" based on nothing but your experience. That is fair enough, but my experience, and that of the vast majority of 79XX owners has been very positive. I have a single HD 7970 and it has been excellent, not problem free but overall excellent.
 
ICDP said:
Nobody, gives a crap! Same as they don't give a crap that my experience with CF and SLI has been nothing but heartache and worthless. I would never proclaim ALL multi GPU solutions as broken based on my very limited experience based on my very niche uses.

Or PEBKAC. If a very, very small minority of people encounter an obscure bug most others don't, then where do you think the problem lies?

In my experience when someone says "if you ask me", they are really saying, "here is my biased, myopic opinion based on my own negative experience". You proclaimed them as "borderline deffective" based on nothing but your experience. That is fair enough, but my experience, and that of the vast majority of 79XX owners has been very positive. I have a single HD 7970 and it has been excellent, not problem free but overall excellent.
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Well, if nobody gives a crap, why were you bashing me for my opinion and factual experiences? Besides, it's not like my problems aren't well-documented by others.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1666851
http://www.overclock.net/t/1196856/official-amd-radeon-hd-7950-7970-owners-club/4370 (several-thousand post thread with majority having issues on CF)

PEBKAC, no. I am experiencing issues plenty of others are on forums/etc. as well, hardly alone. They are not obscure bugs whatsoever.

It's clear you aren't looking to discuss anything, so I'm not even going to bother responding to this last one. If you aren't interested in the product this thread's about, why are you here?
 
GoldenTiger said:
Could be that, then, to an extent... I didn't really try pushing the memory speeds too much.
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You still perpetuating this ? That you had a 7970? Jigs up GT :cool: I'm not going to say that you're FOS because i'd be joking..

And I definitely know you're trying to stir crap on this forum because xfire BF3 is perfect. The only games with bad scaling that i've run into is batman: AC in dx11 mode, because its TWIMTBP. Then again, nvidia doesn't scale in Alan Wake with SLI. The scaling on my GPUs at 2560 resolution at least, puts both GPUs at 99% and triple digit framerates a lot of the time. This is where you go and pull some random forum post or benchmark from a website using an old driver, please do this i'm expecting it. BF3 with the rc11 driver and up scales ridiculously well.
 
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ICDP said:
I'm sorry you are having problems but the fact that YOU are having CF problems does not = everyone having CF problems on 79XX. I will not for one second attempt to state as a fact that CF is not a pain, it can be. On the other hand the "grass is always greener" attitude is pure BS. I have had enough problems from both camps in sinlge and multi GPU configurations to know that Nvidia is not "all that". I agree that WBurchnall's post was a very generic post implying everything is blissful, it hasn't been for some. On the other hand your post was the exact opposite, you are implying that the 79XX series are broken and bugged and that Kepler will be a saviour. Both opinions are extremes, the truth is that 79XX series are very good cards and those who adopted early know there will be teething issues but that they currently have the very fastest singles GPUs available.

Almost every time I have used AMD for a a few months or a year or so I always have the rose tinted memory of how great Nvidia's drivers are. Then when I switch to Nvidia I remember all the things that annoyed me about the drivers or certain issues with my favourite games. The same thing happens the other way, I have Nvidia for a year and I start remembering how AMD gave me less hassles. It's all BS of course, both Nvidia and AMD have their fair share of problems and bugs.

Oh and for the record, my single 7970 plays BF3 at ultra settings at what IMHO was a very decent FPS. Obviously your idea and my idea of good FPS will be different, but I find 40 FPS average with ultra settings at 2560x1600 quite playable.
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Your "single" 7970 works fine. Awesome. But you have no experience with CF in the 7970 series, judging from your post. Your 6900 series CF experience does not transfer nor apply. It "should" but it does not, because the drivers are so bad for the 7900 series cards. The amount of issues I encountered with CF and Eyefinity on the 2 7970s I bought was ridiculous.

I don't know what AMD did to their drivers, but they jacked up CF and Eyefinity badly. So badly, in fact, that I just returned them and went back to my old 460s until AMD gets their shit together (doubtful) or Nvidia releases their new cards. I'm not willing to wait around with $1100 worth of electronics that may or may not actually work correctly in the games I play at some distant point in time.

The issues I encountered in the short time I owned them included, but was not limited to:

Stuttering and dropped frames (Star Wars TOR, which went away if I turned off CF and Eyefinity)
Tearing... bad tearing (every game)
Graphical glitches (Skyrim)
Graphical glitches and anomolies (Civ 4)
Poor performance (Dungeon Defenders)
Did I mention tearing?, Eyefinity broken, general poor performance (Dungeon Siege 3)
during boot, I never even got to see the POST process because the damn cards took so long to sync with my monitors. That's just unacceptable.

And in case you're wondering, this is all after I reinstalled Windows...

After I sent those cards back, I reinstalled Windows again, reinstalled all my games... and all those problems listed above went away. Sure, my framerates might not be great with my 460s, but framerate isn't everything. Hassle free and glitch free gaming is more important to me because that's what I got these for.
 
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1665063 was my 7970, since returned. You people... Wow. I'm no fanboy, I try what is good at the time and return it if it sucks. The 7950 I am now using is going back soon... Ulps issues ahoy! Still I wonder why you're in the nvidia forum when you clearly don't care for them or care at all about gk104?
 
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