The Official HardCraft Thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
TED said:
Honestly I would not want the ability to bring mats from the old server to the new one... that would break any economy plugin we may have, as well as make starting off much too easy.
Click to expand...

Slimeballs would be a PITA to get hold of at first :( (unless the economy thing is in place)
 
it's been asked, can we do the 1.8 as main and 1.7 as sub.

yes, it can be done... reduce the border to 7k x 7k

the nether remains broken (portal issues)

no economy plugin

all warps/homes/dropboxes will be removed

that's the main things, nothing else really hugely important.
 
I say we have a cleansing bath of fire in the current world, then start fresh with a new world.... and only a new world. :D

The best part of MC is building! Why so sad about building more!? :)
 
use ALL the lava and TNT you like, just keep all that away from my place ;) i'm pretty certain I will remain on the current world for a good while after the new 1 is generated, I may be there by myself but I'll live :(
 
One thing I really don't want is broken nether portals... that crap was annoying and made the nether little more than a farm for materials.
 
people , do not crap our current world.

stop bombing your structure, its a nice place to visit and a great world we all worked hard to make.
 
So, in the end, im a little discouraged now.

I have heard from a few people that if we refresh map, they will leave the server and do their own thing. I do understand, cause to these people it isnt JUST the buildings, its all the resources gathered as well.

I think our choice in refreshing the server is a bad idea at this point myself.

We dont need the economy plugin at all. We have had our own economy system ingame since the server started, everyone is generous and giving, and no one has a shortage at this time of what they need.

The only thing im concerned with is the broken portals, however, I think this can be resolved and not only this but I think we should think of a new idea for the server.

Keep our current running HC1 going as the PRIMARY or the SECONDARY map, and do a 1.8 map as the opposite, that way there is a FRESH map for those who want it, and an ongoing map for those who dont wish to lose it. Yes this will mean that people have resources from the past map, but I would rather this than lose any part of our wonderful community.

So I am changing my vote to;

Dont refresh the server, keep our HC1 map going either as the primary or the secondary and just put a fresh new 1.8 map on as the secondary. Best of both worlds!

I know this doesnt seem like a viable solution to most, but this is the only way I can see everyone being happy on the server.
 
FrEaKy said:
So, in the end, im a little discouraged now.

I have heard from a few people that if we refresh map, they will leave the server and do their own thing. I do understand, cause to these people it isnt JUST the buildings, its all the resources gathered as well.

I think our choice in refreshing the server is a bad idea at this point myself.

We dont need the economy plugin at all. We have had our own economy system ingame since the server started, everyone is generous and giving, and no one has a shortage at this time of what they need.

The only thing im concerned with is the broken portals, however, I think this can be resolved and not only this but I think we should think of a new idea for the server.

Keep our current running HC1 going as the PRIMARY or the SECONDARY map, and do a 1.8 map as the opposite, that way there is a FRESH map for those who want it, and an ongoing map for those who dont wish to lose it. Yes this will mean that people have resources from the past map, but I would rather this than lose any part of our wonderful community.

So I am changing my vote to;

Dont refresh the server, keep our HC1 map going either as the primary or the secondary and just put a fresh new 1.8 map on as the secondary. Best of both worlds!

I know this doesnt seem like a viable solution to most, but this is the only way I can see everyone being happy on the server.
Click to expand...

I agree with you Insom, the idea to me, seems the best way to go as of now.
As far as the economy goes, this isn't Econocraft, it's Hardcraft! :eek:
 
FrEaKy said:
So, in the end, im a little discouraged now.

I have heard from a few people that if we refresh map, they will leave the server and do their own thing. I do understand, cause to these people it isnt JUST the buildings, its all the resources gathered as well.

I think our choice in refreshing the server is a bad idea at this point myself.

We dont need the economy plugin at all. We have had our own economy system ingame since the server started, everyone is generous and giving, and no one has a shortage at this time of what they need.

The only thing im concerned with is the broken portals, however, I think this can be resolved and not only this but I think we should think of a new idea for the server.

Keep our current running HC1 going as the PRIMARY or the SECONDARY map, and do a 1.8 map as the opposite, that way there is a FRESH map for those who want it, and an ongoing map for those who dont wish to lose it. Yes this will mean that people have resources from the past map, but I would rather this than lose any part of our wonderful community.

So I am changing my vote to;

Dont refresh the server, keep our HC1 map going either as the primary or the secondary and just put a fresh new 1.8 map on as the secondary. Best of both worlds!

I know this doesnt seem like a viable solution to most, but this is the only way I can see everyone being happy on the server.
Click to expand...



Agreed. With one thing to add. Allow each player a certain amount of warps so that it is easier to pass from one world to the other. Since most will have homes in each world.
 
The only issue I see is that if HC1 is kept up, will people even use the 1.8 world, or will they have too much invested in the old world?

I guess the issue is here, where do we draw the line? Minecraft is a game in development. Eventually versions will be released that require a new world to take advantage of the new features, like 1.8.

Since we cannot, realistically, keep up a huge number of good-sized worlds, there will inevitably come a point where an old world has to go, or the server has to simply stop transitioning to new versions.

It's probably best to get ahead of that situation and come up with a policy that will work beyond just 1.8.
 
Well, the current world will always be here, I'd say, because of the Hash memorial, but you have a hood point. Something like the Ubuntu LTS versioning system. At least until the final release version arrives.
Maybe this should be the object of a poll so that we can all see where everyone stands.
Maybe those that want to remain on the current pre-1.8 world are the minority, and it can be migrated to another server.

Though I have not seen anyone say they will just leave.
 
Honestly, if we DON'T get a new world for 1.8, I would probably jump ship and just go back to playing SSP. I'd hate to leave, but there's a lot in the current world that I feel needs to be left in the dust.

I'd also prefer to have that world be the primary. And hell, while I know it won't happen, the only world.

Maybe it's due to the frequent reboots on Hashland, but I'm used to starting over. It doesn't bother me at all. Especially when MC isn't even on it's final release yet. I expect it.

I for one would be playing only in the 1.8 world, and might even put a personal ban on the current world. Never going back except for rare circumstances. There's already been talk about building a better memorial on 1.8. I'd be happy to man that project as well.
 
NickTheNut said:
Honestly, if we DON'T get a new world for 1.8, I would probably jump ship and just go back to playing SSP. I'd hate to leave, but there's a lot in the current world that I feel needs to be left in the dust.

I'd also prefer to have that world be the primary. And hell, while I know it won't happen, the only world.

Maybe it's due to the frequent reboots on Hashland, but I'm used to starting over. It doesn't bother me at all. Especially when MC isn't even on it's final release yet. I expect it.

I for one would be playing only in the 1.8 world, and might even put a personal ban on the current world. Never going back except for rare circumstances. There's already been talk about building a better memorial on 1.8. I'd be happy to man that project as well.
Click to expand...

I tend to agree. And since I was MIA on the first memorial, I would really like to be involved this time. I do a lot of beta testing, so do-overs are part of the game as far as I am concerned.
 
Im not saying DONT do a 1.8 map....

Make a 1.8 map, sure, BUT keep the Hash memorial map AS a secondary map!

Thats all Im suggesting!
 
So I guess the real question is what will happen if we have a 1.8 map and keep the current map? How many people will play on 1.8? And how many will play on the current? It looks like no matter what we'll be fracturing the community.
 
NickTheNut said:
So I guess the real question is what will happen if we have a 1.8 map and keep the current map? How many people will play on 1.8? And how many will play on the current? It looks like no matter what we'll be fracturing the community.
Click to expand...

I have a feeling that once the 1.8 map is up, and people on the old map finish their current projects, they will switch over. SO while at first, there migh be a division, it will diminish over time.
 
If we expand the borders of the current map , maybe double the size, im pretty sure the new 1.8 features will exist... why not do that?
 
arr4ws said:
If we expand the borders of the current map , maybe double the size, im pretty sure the new 1.8 features will exist... why not do that?
Click to expand...

I don't think they will, given some of the things mentioned, and notch's language. There were previous updates that required a new world to work...
 
That's not a bad idea arr4ws. It is a reasonable solution imo.
 
If we all decide to not create a new server then we have more options, 2 maps or expand the current and delete all the extra maps.
 
Yes, indeed. If we can expand the current map and get all of the 1.8 stuff, that would be ideal. Plus we could delete all of the other maps etc, which should increase performance?
 
Ideally, I'd like to wait for full modding support/SDK before creating a new server/world. The major problem with HC1 is that the nether is broken but things seem fine otherwise. By no means has HC1 been fully expored, much less depleted of iron, diamonds and other non-renewables, and the Wasteland can be permamined so no worries there.

1.8 isn't really giving us all that much... is it?
 
eggrock said:
Ideally, I'd like to wait for full modding support/SDK before creating a new server/world. The major problem with HC1 is that the nether is broken but things seem fine otherwise. By no means has HC1 been fully expored, much less depleted of iron, diamonds and other non-renewables, and the Wasteland can be permamined so no worries there.

1.8 isn't really giving us all that much... is it?
Click to expand...

It's not just about depleted materials though. Of course there are a ton of materials still available to be had. Looking at the map, much of the world has been explored, maybe not caves. But the surface is pretty thoroughly explored. Creating a new world isn't all about exploring either.

The more looking I do, the more I think opening the boundaries won't work though. Once 1.8 comes out we can do some testing. I can download the world to my PC and go behind the worlds boundaries to see what gets generated. If new features do, we'll be able to consider that option.
 
well we have wastelands right? That place can keep getting materials because the map regenerates every 2 weeks right?

So the main map doesnt need inf materials.
 
For me it's more about working on a new spawn area/memorial in a new landscape etc. That'd be exciting. But it'd probably be difficult to get people to work on a new memorial area if we already have one. I don't know.
 
NKDietrich said:
For me it's more about working on a new spawn area/memorial in a new landscape etc. That'd be exciting. But it'd probably be difficult to get people to work on a new memorial area if we already have one. I don't know.
Click to expand...

Would be nice if they raise the building height... Would be able to build huuuge statues and cathedrals. You can make ok sized things now, but they always look kind of...stubby...
 
i like the idea of just having one single map that everyone is on so that we can all play together.
PART of the reason i haven't been playing as much is that there isn't nearly as much group projects and areas going on together anymore since there are so many maps
 
Im with insom where I dont want to have to rebuild. I mean some of us spent a lot of time building, to have to start over, thats kinda a pain in the neck if you ask me. The whole purpose of jminecraft was you start with nothing and work your butt of and spend a lot of time to build something big... now you want to wipe the slate clean and start fresh? Dont like it.

People complain about nowhere to build, there are plenty of places to build still... i dont get why people think there is nowhere to build.

I dunno i appreciate everybodys hard work and i dont want to make enemies with anybody, specially g1, but i mean to have to rebuild and keep the server hosted at someones house, i dunno i think i'll move to a bigger server and start fresh there if im starting fresh. Its nothing against anybody personally its just the server now, has lagging issues, a new server may fix that but you still have the bandwidth issues and the power issues... thats my take on it anyway, not trying to start a war and i know g1 spent his free time/money doing this, so thats of course appreciate, its just to start over fresh, im not a fan of it. I know nobody will "miss" me if i dont go back to start fresh, thats fine, i like to bust balls, im that guy. I'll still come on and say hello and what not, but dont think i'll spend the time to rebuild. Im getting married in less then a year so my times going to be very busy unfortunatly so i wont have the time to rebuild.

But if you can make a new server, with a giant map, and not have lag while we play and you will have the old map as a 2nd world, then i'll pop in and help build things from time to time.
 
No offense Adam, but the "issues" you list have hardly been a problem. The lag was a problem for like a day. The power was down for an evening? Oh and the internet went out a few days ago. Big whoop. This isn't an MMO, and no one is paying for this but G1. I actually think he's been pretty gracious with letting us have voting power in what happens to the server.

If you think you'll have better luck at a "real" server, go ahead. What you'll probably find are rule nazi's, less say in what happens in the server, probably less group builds, and it will probably go down permanently in a few months time anyways.

But I'm mostly talk, even if I say I'll jump ship and play SSP, I know I won't. I enjoy playing with everyone too much. I just really want to experience 1.8, keep the community together, and also get a refresh of some sort. To me, it feels like this world has gotten stale. People made their "main" build, and kind of stopped after that. Corsair Lake kind of helped bring new life back, and so did the city project. It used to be I could view the dynamic map every day and see the beginnings of new builds. Now I look and almost nothings changed.

IMO, the world needs a refresh so people will build new and exciting things. Keep in mind that I'm saying this literally right after "finishing" my floating island. That's something I've been waiting to build from day 1. I'm willing to sacrifice my builds for this.
 
ocbaud said:
i haven't been playing as much is that there isn't nearly as much group projects and areas going on together anymore since there are so many maps
Click to expand...


How often do you get on? there is an entire city being built by everyone, almost everyone has a building going up there. There are maybe 2 people that even play on the other maps, no one hardly goes on those.



I dunno i appreciate everybodys hard work and i dont want to make enemies with anybody, specially g1, but i mean to have to rebuild and keep the server hosted at someones house, i dunno i think i'll move to a bigger server and start fresh there if im starting fresh. Its nothing against anybody personally its just the server now, has lagging issues, a new server may fix that but you still have the bandwidth issues and the power issues... thats my take on it anyway, not trying to start a war and i know g1 spent his free time/money doing this, so thats of course appreciate, its just to start over fresh, im not a fan of it. I know nobody will "miss" me if i dont go back to start fresh, thats fine, i like to bust balls, im that guy. I'll still come on and say hello and what not, but dont think i'll spend the time to rebuild. Im getting married in less then a year so my times going to be very busy unfortunatly so i wont have the time to rebuild.
Click to expand...


As said before, if everyone wants to get a real hosted server I'd have no problem against that, I'm just hosting because well I was the first to speak up about it.

Problem with hosted is, paying for it, to get a host with the same level hardware would be extremely expensive. You can't assume everyone can easily just give up money to pay for this, remember it's a monthly fee not just a 1 time deal. We have players are just kids and don't have jobs, obviously can't expect anything from them, wouldn't be right.

In theory it's great, but actually doing it is impossible with the size of the community we have, if we had 50+ people all the time might be easier task, but not like it is.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top