I think $380 65w 5700X will come next spring to counter Intel's offerings or AMD will have to drop 5800X price (once zen3 madness goes away LOL)
Looking for a 5950X but haven't had any luck. I have $1000+ in Amazon gift cards ready to go on PC parts but I haven't actually been able to find anything to buy on Amazon lately, 3080s, the new 5000 series, nothing. I can't even find the product pages through search, I've had to go through other websites first to get direct links.
Hardware market is shit right now.
The latency has been reduced far enough with Zen 3 that I think the difference is negligible. You have to also remember that even though the 5900X would be 6+6, using that extra CCX also opens up another 32MB of cache.
Performance numbers speak for themselves. The two CPUs pretty much are within each others’ margin of error in current games.
looking at AnandTech's Zen 3 review the 5800 and 5900 are pretty much even as far as gaming numbers but Deus Ex: Mankind Divided was a weird outlier which showed a pretty big win for the 5800X...maybe it's the engine but if both CPU's are pretty much identical but a few games skew towards the 5800X it might make more sense to go with the 5800X
then again I like to keep my CPU's for a long time...I'm currently still using an Intel i7 980X from 2010...I jumped into 6 cores way before it became mainstream because I wanted to 'future proof' it so maybe jumping into 12 cores now might be the better long term move...then again the 980X didn't use the CCX design...but I am now leaning towards the 5900X
AnandTech Deus Ex: Human Revolution performance chart...
That’s a weird result because at higher/normal resolutions they all perform the same except for the 5600X which still seems to have a decent lead. Likely an outlier...
I understand that. But if you are gaming at higher resolutions then it doesn’t matter in your use case. The difference is negligible anyway at lower resolutions. Splitting hairs about random games here and there that might perform slightly better or worse on one CPU or the other is pointless. 5900X shows its advantages in some games just as often as the 5800X. Play on a computer with either CPU and I would be very surprised if you could notice the difference.at higher resolutions the GPU becomes the bottleneck...which is why the 1080p results are more important as far as testing CPU performance
It looks to me like is a game specific thing. There are a few games which seem to do a fair bit better on the 5800x. But there are as many or more, which do better on the higher clocks and cache of the 5900 and especially the 5950.after reading a ton of Zen 3 reviews today I'm still confused as to which is the better buy for gaming?...everyone says the 5900X is excellent overall but I haven't seen any detailed write ups about the single CCX on the 5800X vs the 6+6 CCX on the 5900X and what if any factor that plays in the overall performance
IMO, the best buy from Intel right now, is the 10700 non-K. Its potent on its own. But a few tweaks to the turbo behavior and you have a formidable 8 core CPU for a good price. Very good price, if you are patient enough to price hunt for a bit.Don't out-think the whole concept. Just look at the FPS and make a call on price to performance. The latency is already wrapped into the final result. It's just math. For Zen2 the best deal was the 3600. Surprise, this time for Zen3 its the 5600x. I'm sure the intel guys will jump in asap and point out the 10600k result. I'd have to argue (rightfully so) that the 5600x is a much better all around performer.
cpu price FPS $ per fps 5950x 800 98 $8.16 5900x 550 97 $5.67 10850k 465 94.4 $4.93 10900k 488 94.3 $5.17 5600x 299 93 $3.22 5800x 449 93.4 $4.81 10700k 387 92.1 $4.20 10600k 262 85.6 $3.06 3900x 499 83.7 $5.96 3950x 749 83.7 $8.95 3700x 329 83.6 $3.94 3600x 199 68.1 $2.92 2700x 329 68.1 $4.83
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I wonder how long B&H will take to ship me a 5900x. I ordered at 12:30am CST yesterday. I took all next week off since I had to many days, wonder if I can snag one from Microcenter before B&H ships.
I ordered a 3080 combo.. and just returned the combo item. Just had to pay return shipping (their label or your own). I think it was sold by newegg though.Anyone ever mess with the Newegg combos? They scare me as they are 3rd party but I did see a few 5950x and 5900x float in and out last night.
after reading a ton of Zen 3 reviews today I'm still confused as to which is the better buy for gaming?...everyone says the 5900X is excellent overall but I haven't seen any detailed write ups about the single CCX on the 5800X vs the 6+6 CCX on the 5900X and what if any factor that plays in the overall performance
They’re the first review that has gone out of their way to mention the single CCX “advantage”. Yet, in their own review the 5800X and 5900X are neck and neck in applications (except for ones where more than 8 cores are used and the 5900X demolishes) and within 0.3% on average of each other at every resolution for gaming. Their individual application and game tests show the two CPUs trading blows with each other but almost always within each other’s margin of error for testing anyway. So their hypothetical situation doesn’t even seem to show up in their own testing. It has been the same story for every review.TechPowerUp 5800X review:
Ryzen 7 5800X might be the better choice for some scenarios over the Ryzen 9 5900X because the 5800X crams all its eight cores into a single CCD, whereas the 5900X uses a 6+6 dual CCD design...Communication between CCDs has to pass through the IO die and runs at higher latency, which costs a little bit of performance...looking at our benchmarks, we see this effect in many single or low-threaded applications
The problem seems to be that the Windows Thread Scheduler sometimes moves the application onto another CCD, which means the process has to pack up everything on its current CCD, move to the other CCD, and spin up the workload again...This looks rather like a Microsoft issue than an AMD problem, though...
Perhaps they are only stocking shelf with so many a day from the first shippment they got. I dunno... I'm waiting for miracle and B&H Photo shipping my 5900x next week LOLSo the Tustin MC has a few more 5800x and 5600x today, Saturday! Where the hell are they getting the stock day after day? Now if they had the 5900x or 5950x more readily in stock, I would have schlepped myself down there for one.
Seriously guys you should be happy, I wish I had some close Amer Friends. Up North we get very poor supply of zen3, especially 5900x and 5950x. Best Buy Canada is not selling them, Amazon.ca didn't receive any yet, and Newegg has very limited stock for Canadians. At the moment my only hope is B&H Photo. I hope because it is US retailer, it will eventually get stock faster than any Canadian Retailer... If not and I really get impention I might just back-order 5600x and call it a day.They had 10+ of each, each day previously. Today's 2-3 is light in comparison.
I wonder why Newegg does this thing where the price of their combo keeps changing often through the day
Then refresh and it changes to
From someone that started looking for one from the night before the release and spent all release days looking (and still I have windows in constant refresh) I disagree that this is any better. Considering this is a CPU vs a more popular GPU sales, that makes things even worse.