VladDracule
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and what do you have? a bs or an ms?
BS in EE, MS in EE, and MBA. the MS and MBA came after being in the field for several years
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and what do you have? a bs or an ms?
anyone believe this guy bitching about his sister who has a highly specialized degree, more than a master's level education, years in the field experience, higher education and training than an RN, LPN, BS in nursing, or a poor candy striper making more money than a wet behind the ears, freshly minted, dime a dozen engineer that could be filled by someone with a BS in engineering?
exactly as suspectedBS in EE, MS in EE, and MBA. the MS and MBA came after being in the field for several years
they mean something now, but the couldn't possibly have meant shit to anyone when you didn't actually have them...or were you confused when you wrote that her salary was more than yours when you entered the field and this latest post where you claimed you earned them *after* working in the field for several years....hmmm?yeah your right, my multiple Engineer of the year plaques and IEEE recongition mean squat
exactly as suspected
so you compared your sister's advanced nursing degree salary to your four year college undergraduate training kudos, dude, now go back to your regularly scheduled bitching about how the world is all fucked up because all nurses are paid too much
My reading comprehension is fine.Your reading comprehension is severely lacking. And i mean Severely. We both entered work straight out of college, both ranking in the top 15% of our respective classes. Both getting multiple job offers with several companies offering higher and higher salaries initially until a decision was made. Calculating for inflation, her Starting salary was higher than mine. Thats with NASA internships, IEEE chapter Presidency, and cum Laude on my resume as a student.
My reading comprehension is fine.
When she started her career as an FNP she had an advanced degree in nursing and years in the field.
When you exited out of college into the field you had a BS.
Eh, hardly something to emulate.
Interesting shift of your initial claimAgain, your demonstrating your severe lack of reading comprehension. Im comparing her BSN which is a BACHELORS degree to my MS
yeah ok my sister who is an FNP makes more than i did for 2/3rds of my career as an aerospace engineer
BS in EE, MS in EE, and MBA. the MS and MBA came after being in the field for several years
Interesting shift of your initial claim
FNP is a graduate degree in nursing so obviously she would make more than you starting out in the field with a BS in engineering.
You either lied or were unclear in your posts and you're trying to personally insult me for your poor communication skills.
In reality, this was such a bullshit tangent because your n=1 of your sister's salary is an insufficient number to be basing any kind of discussion about average salaries.
You should have learned this while you were earning all those degrees in engineering, businesses, and graduating below the top of your class (since we're flinging credentials around I have my doctorate and I graduated summa cum laude and I've posted my degree here before when someone tried to call me out on it).
I'm done discussing this with you.
your right, because my sister who is the FNP NEVER worked as a regular nurse in NICU...your right, i couldnt have a clue. Even her starting salary was higher than mine when i entered the field
Dude seriously, your reading comprehension is absolute GARBAGE. Go back and look, no where did i say that i was comparing her FNP salary to my BS salary, ANYWHERE. Your so incredibly clueless and your making claims against what i explicitly said and made clear multiple times. Dont criticize others for your own ignorance
She doesn't make more than him. She only made more than him in the beginning of his career when he didn't have his master's degrees. Now that he has his master's degrees he makes more than her.She makes more than you solely for the reason that the bearable price between nurses and their employers is higher than that between EE's and their employers.
Eh, hardly something to emulate.
She doesn't make more than him. She only made more than him in the beginning of his career when he didn't have his master's degrees. Now that he has his master's degrees he makes more than her.
He couldn't have chosen a worse example to illustrate the absence of a gendered wage gap.
It doesn't matter when she became an FNP.again your making bullshit assumptions. Again posting utter nonsense. The only reason i make more than her at this stage in our careers is because im a principle level staff member, she only recently got her masters and became an FNP
It doesn't matter when she became an FNP.
Your original post responding to me before you started losing your temper was that your sister, as an FNP, makes more than you did when you started out in your career as an engineer.
In subsequent posts you clarified that you only earned your advanced degrees several years into your career.
So the fact that she make more money now with her graduate degree and years in the field of experience compared to when you first started out as an engineer in the field with only a BS in engineering is the point at issue here.
What are you saying?
A nurse with years of experience in the field and a specialist graduate degree should or should not make more than an entry level engineer with an undergraduate degree?
Now, you are likely going to change your original statement and try and attribute it to my reading comprehension or you could put your big boy underroos on and just apologize for losing your shit and poorly communicating your points.
hopefully your sister has better people skills than you do
It can be a really obnoxious career, and it's always a very demanding career.
I witnessed extra bull-shit being heaped on women (all two of them) at the place I used to work. I also know that, for the most part, that shit gets under a woman's skin more than it does a man's. That just makes ass holes even more aggressive about being ass holes. Men are raised to think that having the shit kicked out of you is normal, and that if you're good you get to kick the shit out of someone later. Women aren't raised with that world looming over them. I know that probably makes me an ignorant, sexist ass-hat but I think we're raising girls to be pliable and obedient and boys to be aggressive, thoughtless drones. We're fucking up.
Also, is it OK to say that most women have other priorities than work, work, work? Because personally I think that, in that regard, women have it right.
There was once a day when we worked to live, not the other way around.
Why do we need to change it? I don't hear any crying from males that they only make up 5% of nursing staff, and that they are being vagina blocked from entering the industry.
Men and women aren't the same, and never have been. Social structures may over-emphasize differences, but that doesn't mean that they aren't based on a biological framework.
Males are inherently (on average) drawn to fields that reward independent work ethic and logic/math/science based fields, and for obvious reasons career paths where physicality is important. Likewise, women tend to enjoy jobs in which socialization plays a large role, and particularly in care/service type of jobs. We see this across cultures and over long stretches of time to various extents, and you don't have to force people into fields they aren't interested or best qualified for... there isn't anything inherently broken with "different strokes for different folks".
I really hope I can make just one post in this thread and no more
In order to prove or disprove a gender gap the study needs to look at the same EXACT job, same years of expierence, and same area of employment, ie same job in NY city versus Little Rock AK.
General studies that contain MULTIPLE variables are worthless.
Over at Norton they don't have hookers, but they do have a personal masseuse that comes by to each employee once a week for a 15 min rubdown (portable table and all). And she was hot. No happy ending though.We need women in the tech Industry all right, we need strippers, porn stars and hot whores.
yeah ok my sister who is an FNP makes more than i did for 2/3rds of my career as an aerospace engineer
hopefully 99% of america isnt as dense as you
Nursing careers are pay-competitive with IT positions in my area. RNs and nurse practitioners do pretty well and PA money is really good. Now the LPN and nursing assistants are pretty much equal to entry level IT techies and they're a lot more meh kinda jobs, but so is working at a call center. Though, that's just my area and I'm guessing it isn't the same everywhere.
I don't wanna drag you back into the thread so, like don't feel compelled to post in response or anything to this.
Buuuuut...finding one of those situations where all the variables are pretty much equal might not be commonplace enough to draw any statistically meaningful conclusions because they're rare enough not to build enough confidence in the results due to small sample sizes.
dude im done with your posts. Your reading comprehension as absolutely HORRIBLE
I don't wanna drag you back into the thread so, like don't feel compelled to post in response or anything to this.
Buuuuut...finding one of those situations where all the variables are pretty much equal might not be commonplace enough to draw any statistically meaningful conclusions because they're rare enough not to build enough confidence in the results due to small sample sizes.
The current studies aren't worthless. Have you actually read any current peer reviewed research on the topic? Do you think we don't take those things into consideration and control for those variables? The assumptions in this thread are bizarre...I suspect a lot of people posting here should have access to EBSCO or something similar so try using it before opining about the state of the research off the cuff.Well, the current studies are worthless. Actually they are harmful because they falsely fuel the arguement. They don't account for many variables such as men typically work longer hours, are more willing to move locations, do not take maternaty leave, etc.
The current studies aren't worthless. Have you actually read any current peer reviewed research on the topic? Do you think we don't take those things into consideration and control for those variables?
.One of the best studies on the wage gap was released in 2009 by the U.S. Department of Labor. It examined more than 50 peer-reviewed papers and concluded that the 23-cent wage gap "may be almost entirely the result of individual choices being made by both male and female workers." In the past, women's groups have ignored or explained away such findings
Not that it matters much, but I drew the same conclusions from your post as Mope did. It wasn't totally clear what you were explicitly saying (i.e. 2/3 of your career? Was this before or after the degrees?)
Regardless, he's totally right. Calm the fuck down.