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Why, OC God, why?

If a computer fails Prime95, it's not COMPLETELY stable. (Note that not failing Prime95 DOESN'T mean that it IS completely stable.) If it's stable ENOUGH for your purposes, then that's OK, but don't claim that it's anything more than that.
 
Originally posted by kllrnohj
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the reason i think prime95 is crap, is because some people think that it IS the tester for stability, and if it isn't "prime95 stable" then your comp has probs

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You think a piece of software is crap because you don't agree with what other people think? "wow, talk about great logic"
 
Originally posted by Grammar Nazi
You guys are taking my niche, without it I will be forced to commit suicide.
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Or you could go invade France. A riding lawnmower and a .22 would be enough to ensure victory. :p
 
Originally posted by Cardboard Hammer
Or you could go invade France. A riding lawnmower and a .22 would be enough to ensure victory. :p
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But when all is said and done, you still have only invaded France. I mean come on, even 3rd world countries wouldn't be impressed by that.
 
Originally posted by DocFaustus
But when all is said and done, you still have only invaded France. I mean come on, even 3rd world countries wouldn't be impressed by that.
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Shh... The guy needs an ego boost, and you're not helping. :p
 
On the subject of OC testing, it is funny, my ultimate test is not Prime or 3DMark, it is Starcraft.

My system can run Prime95 like a champ, loop 3DMark01 all day long, but I load up SC and play a game and it crashes. I back off the OC a little and I am fine....My father-in-law's system is the same way...

Wonder why that is?
 
You think a piece of software is crap because you don't agree with what other people think? "wow, talk about great logic"
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no, not at all, i was trying to say (not sure i got this across right, too early in the morning then) is that prime95 shouldn't be your only stability test

and to those who say "the only ppl who say prime95 is crap are those that fail" guess what? i think prime95 is crap, but i still pass it, WOW :rolleyes:

i have had this happen to me once, the sys was unstable in what i normally do, but still passed prime95 (only happened once mind you, and i couldn't repeat it)
 
Originally posted by kllrnohj
and to those who say "the only ppl who say prime95 is crap are those that fail" guess what? i think prime95 is crap, but i still pass it, WOW :rolleyes:
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Ok I'll fix it for him...

The vast, vast majority of people who say prime95 is crap are those that fail.:rolleyes:

It does math. If your machine miscaculates, it is not 100% stable. It may be stable for what you do, but not for everything.

As stated earlier,

"It's not like we should trust math or anything, it's not like it's an exact science or anything."

On a side note, some of the dumbest logic I have ever seen has been displayed in this thread.
 
I have a question for those that think their system is stable even though they can't pass Prime95.

How can your system be stable if it thinks 1+1=2.1?

When you fail Prime95, that is essentially what the program is telling you. Your CPU cannot properly do math. Also, how do you know it isn't affecting your games. If it can't do calculations correctly, how do you know everything in the game is being displayed properly? How do you know the AI is behaving correctly? What about that shot you knew you had dead on but missed wasn't caused by a calcultion error that your CPU made?

Just because you don't crash the program or the OS, doesn't mean there aren't problems.
 
Originally posted by Brian@3DGPU
On the subject of OC testing, it is funny, my ultimate test is not Prime or 3DMark, it is Starcraft.

My system can run Prime95 like a champ, loop 3DMark01 all day long, but I load up SC and play a game and it crashes. I back off the OC a little and I am fine....My father-in-law's system is the same way...

Wonder why that is?
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i don't know the exact reasoning behind this phenomonon(sp?) but i believe it is related to the guy who got higher temps while running Word spellchecker than long prime sessions. it is basically just loose programming. (my guess, no real proof or anything) but that's what i think.


it may also be that it stresses components (starcraft does) that prime95/3dmark don't, or it stresses the proper combination to make the machine crash. maybe the soundcard is the problem:confused:
 
Originally posted by SmokeRngs
I have a question for those that think their system is stable even though they can't pass Prime95.

How can your system be stable if it thinks 1+1=2.1?

When you fail Prime95, that is essentially what the program is telling you. Your CPU cannot properly do math. Also, how do you know it isn't affecting your games. If it can't do calculations correctly, how do you know everything in the game is being displayed properly? How do you know the AI is behaving correctly? What about that shot you knew you had dead on but missed wasn't caused by a calcultion error that your CPU made?

Just because you don't crash the program or the OS, doesn't mean there aren't problems.
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Because as I came around a corner and saw you, I shot you and you died. Then a perfect calculation of 1+whatever kill count I had before showed up on the stats. Thats how I know my cpu is performing math correctly, or correctly enough for what I need it for. Ive never had a frag count of x.1. Its always been whole numbers, crazy huh?!?!?! Once again, bottom line is, if you want your box to be "prime95 stable" then have at it, just quit cryin that shit isnt stable if it doesnt pass "YOUR" test. Im sure that someone could come out with a program your "stable" computer could fail. Think about it.
 
Originally posted by DeRailur
Because as I came around a corner and saw you, I shot you and you died. Then a perfect calculation of 1+whatever kill count I had before showed up on the stats. Thats how I know my cpu is performing math correctly, or correctly enough for what I need it for. Ive never had a frag count of x.1. Its always been whole numbers, crazy huh?!?!?! Once again, bottom line is, if you want your box to be "prime95 stable" then have at it, just quit cryin that shit isnt stable if it doesnt pass "YOUR" test. Im sure that someone could come out with a program your "stable" computer could fail. Think about it.
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thank you very much for that post

i could not have said that any better.
and you do make a vaild point. what IF someone comes out with a prog that has your prime machines FAIL!? very good question

oh and kllrnohj. Thnx for the back up =]
 
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong here. All Prime95 does in its torture test is to take your computer and have it calculate prime numbers, and match those numbers against known correct results - right?

So when Prime fails, it means that plain and simple, your computer just failed to add something up correctly - right?

Even if it never crashes and works fine in games and such - sure, that's stable enough for my purposes right now, and a heck of a lot of other people too.

Just the same, the one real problem I have with what you say/do is that I think it's pretty irresponsible to run F@H with a computer that Prime95 says can't do math correctly. Game, encode, render with the system all you want, but something about my instincts is telling me that running a purely number-crunching DC program on a computer that can crunch a number and come up with the wrong answer doesn't sound like the greatest idea.

And there already is a program that can crash any system. It's called Morrowind. :p
 
Originally posted by xsoulbrothax
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And there already is a program that can crash any system. It's called Morrowind. :p
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So it isn't just my bad luck... Man, that fucker must be crazy buggy... I slapped the patch on it and still I'm lucky to make it much over an hour without hard locking... They need to add a new spell: "Resist Crash 100% for 1 day."
 
Once more for the those who failed to notice:

Originally posted by Cardboard Hammer
If a computer fails Prime95, it's not COMPLETELY stable. (Note that not failing Prime95 DOESN'T mean that it IS completely stable.) ...
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Originally posted by [RIP]Zeus
thank you very much for that post

i could not have said that any better.
and you do make a vaild point. what IF someone comes out with a prog that has your prime machines FAIL!? very good question

oh and kllrnohj. Thnx for the back up =]
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any time

and to the morrowind ppl, i have never had it crash, without using any patches

and this is gonna be one of my last comments on yes/no prime95, if you like it, great, if you don't, that's nice, just please ppl, DON'T TELL OTHERS THEIR SYSTEM ISN'T STABLE just cause you don't agree with their testing methods, ok, ppl are different GET OVER IT, do NOT tell others how to use THEIR computer, last time i checked, THEY PAID FOR IT, NOT YOU
 
Originally posted by kllrnohj
any time

and to the morrowind ppl, i have never had it crash, without using any patches

and this is gonna be one of my last comments on yes/no prime95, if you like it, great, if you don't, that's nice, just please ppl, DON'T TELL OTHERS THEIR SYSTEM ISN'T STABLE just cause you don't agree with their testing methods, ok, ppl are different GET OVER IT, do NOT tell others how to use THEIR computer, last time i checked, THEY PAID FOR IT, NOT YOU
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If someone tells me their computer fails Prime95, I can tell them it's not stable. If they don't give me evidence that their computer is unstable, I won't tell them that it is. As for how they want to use their computer, that's up to them, but sending in work units from a computer that performs faulty math is less than helpful.
 
Originally posted by DeRailur
Because as I came around a corner and saw you, I shot you and you died. Then a perfect calculation of 1+whatever kill count I had before showed up on the stats. Thats how I know my cpu is performing math correctly, or correctly enough for what I need it for. Ive never had a frag count of x.1. Its always been whole numbers, crazy huh?!?!?! Once again, bottom line is, if you want your box to be "prime95 stable" then have at it, just quit cryin that shit isnt stable if it doesnt pass "YOUR" test. Im sure that someone could come out with a program your "stable" computer could fail. Think about it.
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I never said that there won't be a program that can come out that would crash my system. But there is a program out now that can crash your system and you call it stable. It's not my fault that your tests are softer than mine and I have higher standards than you.

Also, if you think your frag count is the only math being done in a game then you are terribly mistaken. I find it very scary that you think a frag count in a game is a real math test.
 
Originally posted by Cardboard Hammer
If a computer fails Prime95, it's not COMPLETELY stable. (Note that not failing Prime95 DOESN'T mean that it IS completely stable.) If it's stable ENOUGH for your purposes, then that's OK, but don't claim that it's anything more than that.
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thats why 3 runs at 12 hours each at stock bam fail 2nd test with in 3 mins but other 2 test past at stock speeds.

pirme 95 is too flaky
 
Originally posted by DeRailur
Because as I came around a corner and saw you, I shot you and you died. Then a perfect calculation of 1+whatever kill count I had before showed up on the stats. Thats how I know my cpu is performing math correctly, or correctly enough for what I need it for. Ive never had a frag count of x.1. Its always been whole numbers, crazy huh?!?!?! Once again, bottom line is, if you want your box to be "prime95 stable" then have at it, just quit cryin that shit isnt stable if it doesnt pass "YOUR" test. Im sure that someone could come out with a program your "stable" computer could fail. Think about it.
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Thank you very much for posting the stupidest post I have read in a long time. I am now dumber for having read it and feel sorry for anyone else who is subjected to it.

You do not know shit about computers if you expect a fragcount to ever come up as anything other than a whole number, let alone use that as a stability test.

To be ignorant is fine...live blissfully, but don't flaunt it.
 
Originally posted by Filter
thats why 3 runs at 12 hours each at stock bam fail 2nd test with in 3 mins but other 2 test past at stock speeds.

pirme 95 is too flaky
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No, your computer is :p If your CPU produces inconsistent results, it's anyone's guess as to when it will produce a sufficiently large amount of error to fail prime. Besides, no two runs of a program ran on top of an operating system are likely to experience the same exact conditions.
 
Originally posted by Cardboard Hammer
If someone tells me their computer fails Prime95, I can tell them it's not stable. If they don't give me evidence that their computer is unstable, I won't tell them that it is. As for how they want to use their computer, that's up to them, but sending in work units from a computer that performs faulty math is less than helpful.
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you can only say their comp isn't stable, when you have personally used it, otherwise, you are mearly speaking out of your ass
 
Originally posted by SmokeRngs
I never said that there won't be a program that can come out that would crash my system. But there is a program out now that can crash your system and you call it stable. It's not my fault that your tests are softer than mine and I have higher standards than you.

Also, if you think your frag count is the only math being done in a game then you are terribly mistaken. I find it very scary that you think a frag count in a game is a real math test.
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Really...... I thought that REALLY was all the math being done by my computer when I game. As I said before, if you want Prime95 stable, go on with your bad self. And BTW, Prime95 doesn't crash my system, but when I have my clock up at the limits of what my computer can function at, it does fail it.

Originally posted by DocFaustus
Thank you very much for posting the stupidest post I have read in a long time. I am now dumber for having read it and feel sorry for anyone else who is subjected to it.

You do not know shit about computers if you expect a fragcount to ever come up as anything other than a whole number, let alone use that as a stability test.

To be ignorant is fine...live blissfully, but don't flaunt it.
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Thanks for resorting to name calling and flaming. But if you really feel sorry for other people being subjected to my post, why did you feel it necessary to quote me? I ran the numbers through my PC and it determined that there are now 2.1x more chances of someone reading my post now. But the real killer is this, I use my computer's ability to determine a frag count as a stability test! Classic, thank you for making my day guy. Please quote me again so that I can see what other nonsense you can come up with to flame me. Try a little bit harder next time though, I want some profanity!



Who would have thought that Prime95 would have caused such a rift here? If my ego and sense of worthfulness hinged on the stability of my computer, then by I would probably be underclocking. But Im only concerned with my framrates in games, so once again, Prime95 stability isn't a concern of mine. Now Im off to test my system's stability with windows calculator! I hope that 2+2=4!!!!
 
Originally posted by DeRailur
Really...... I thought that REALLY was all the math being done by my computer when I game. As I said before, if you want Prime95 stable, go on with your bad self. And BTW, Prime95 doesn't crash my system, but when I have my clock up at the limits of what my computer can function at, it does fail it.



Thanks for resorting to name calling and flaming. But if you really feel sorry for other people being subjected to my post, why did you feel it necessary to quote me? I ran the numbers through my PC and it determined that there are now 2.1x more chances of someone reading my post now. But the real killer is this, I use my computer's ability to determine a frag count as a stability test! Classic, thank you for making my day guy. Please quote me again so that I can see what other nonsense you can come up with to flame me. Try a little bit harder next time though, I want some profanity!



Who would have thought that Prime95 would have caused such a rift here? If my ego and sense of worthfulness hinged on the stability of my computer, then by I would probably be underclocking. But Im only concerned with my framrates in games, so once again, Prime95 stability isn't a concern of mine. Now Im off to test my system's stability with windows calculator! I hope that 2+2=4!!!!
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Go back to school, you are embarrassing your peers.
 
Ok. So we can't say that your system isn't stable. But we CAN say this:

If you fail prime, your computer can't do simple binary math. You have a problem, the computer may be stable but it does NOT work right. Period. It cannot calculate math, it does NOT function according to specifications. Do NOT do F@H, Seti, or any other DC program if you fail prime.

That is the simple law of prime, really. You may be stable, but your computer is not working RIGHT. It can't do math without an error it does not function correctly. It is not what most of us would call successful.

It may or may not matter to you, but it is not functioning up to a level of doing dedicated calculations, so don't be on the FAH team.

For games, it may only result in a single pixel being off, but this is the SAME kind of error that the original Pentium suffered from. It is the inability to do floating point binary math correctly. You cannot claim your system runs everything perfect; you can't claim you have a fully functioning computer.

Oh, and anything can do integer arithmatic. That's a whole different story from floating point. Frag counts are pointless. The ability to do floating point is something that Zeus is relying on, and his can't do it so he shouldn't.
 
just like you said lopoetve, just 'cause it's stabe dosen't mean it's working right. like a car with a engine that coughs and wheezes... it may be stable, it may still RUN, but it does not run at rated specs, and shouldn't be raced.... etc. etc. you get my point. anyways, good call.
 
Originally posted by kllrnohj
you can only say their comp isn't stable, when you have personally used it, otherwise, you are mearly speaking out of your ass
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If someone says their system cannot run Prime95, then it can't properly do math. That is what he said, someone says their system does not run Prime95.

How can your system be stable if it cannot do math properly?
 
Originally posted by SmokeRngs
If someone says their system cannot run Prime95, then it can't properly do math. That is what he said, someone says their system does not run Prime95.

How can your system be stable if it cannot do math properly?
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Windows error correcting can keep it in line, errors might not compromise stability. But it still isn't functioning CORRECTLY.
 
Originally posted by lopoetve
Windows error correcting can keep it in line, errors might not compromise stability. But it still isn't functioning CORRECTLY.
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thanks,

i never did mention functioning right in any of my posts, and if i did, i din't mean too

If someone says their system cannot run Prime95, then it can't properly do math. That is what he said, someone says their system does not run Prime95.
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i really hate to say this, but did anyone ever think it might be a software issue causing prime95 to crash? and do not just say no that isn't possible, since everyone knows software can become corrupted quite easily, either during the download or some other time
 
Originally posted by kllrnohj
thanks,

i never did mention functioning right in any of my posts, and if i did, i din't mean too



i really hate to say this, but did anyone ever think it might be a software issue causing prime95 to crash? and do not just say no that isn't possible, since everyone knows software can become corrupted quite easily, either during the download or some other time
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The source is available, so anyone who wants to call it "crap" can feel free to check it for bugs.


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=stable

"Not subject to sudden or extreme change or fluctuation" is a bit arbitrary, and an argument could be made in either direction, but "Consistently dependable" is not characteristic of a computer that performs sporadic (one could, I suppose, claim that if one could consistently depend on it to produce incorrect results, it would then meet this definition of "stable" :rolleyes: ) faulty math.
 
Originally posted by kllrnohj
thanks,

i never did mention functioning right in any of my posts, and if i did, i din't mean too



i really hate to say this, but did anyone ever think it might be a software issue causing prime95 to crash? and do not just say no that isn't possible, since everyone knows software can become corrupted quite easily, either during the download or some other time
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The binary for Prime is rather simple. It's almost fool proof. If you think that it is a foobar install, install again. If its a software crash, then you have some other issue (I had that one, it was ram out of spec). Either way, you're still not working right. There is something wrong with a variable in the equation. There is something that needs fixing.
 
Originally posted by lopoetve
The binary for Prime is rather simple. It's almost fool proof. If you think that it is a foobar install, install again. If its a software crash, then you have some other issue (I had that one, it was ram out of spec). Either way, you're still not working right. There is something wrong with a variable in the equation. There is something that needs fixing.
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out of curiosty, the settings in prime95 you can change, is it possible to have prime crash from altered settings? i think im gonna try it when i get home....
 
Originally posted by kllrnohj
out of curiosty, the settings in prime95 you can change, is it possible to have prime crash from altered settings? i think im gonna try it when i get home....
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I haven't been able to.
 
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