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Why, OC God, why?

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domeo

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My FIRST gig and Prime95-24hr stable OC (check sig).

But why can't I hit 2.4 GHz? That's all I ask for my birthday.

Right now, as I'm typing this, I'm running:

216x10.5
1.875 vcore
2.9 vdimm

but prime won't even run for a minute. Temps hit 54 deg. C though (isn't that high for my setup?).

Maybe the OC God wants me to sacrifice this CPU.

Your Newb,

domeo
 
try reseating the heatsink. you may have just screwed up the mounting.


o, and me glad you can get 2.2ghz. i can't freaking break 2ghz with my 2100+, and i have watercooling! (decent stuff, too. beats my alpha+tornado with a large stick)


of course, the palomino core isn't helping much either...
 
I think it's the temps. I also have a CoolerMaster WaveMaster --

I run an Intel 2.4c @ 3.0 GHz that was rock-solid stable in my Antec 1040 case (similar to Chieftec). Airflow was good and temps were 42c under load. Now that I moved to the Coolermaster, the air flow is not a as good and my temps run 56c !!! I had my first spontaneous reboot the other day at 3.0 GHz, so i had to throttle back the cpu to stock to keep things stable.

Watercooling, here I come!:p
 
Yeah, that's a good overclock. 2.4GHz is rare. My 1700+ can't get to those speeds. Hell, it's not even stable where it's at now (can't run one test in Prime95).
 
Try a lower FSB and a higher multiplier. Do some non-3dMark benchmarks before hand and compare results. Overall system speed is far more important than raw CPU or FSB speed.

10 and 10.5 can be troublesome multipliers for many NForce boards anyway. I've seen boards that weren't stable at 210x10.5 run perfectly fine at 210x11 or even 215x11.
 
Originally posted by EQDuffy
Try a lower FSB and a higher multiplier. Do some non-3dMark benchmarks before hand and compare results. Overall system speed is far more important than raw CPU or FSB speed.

10 and 10.5 can be troublesome multipliers for many NForce boards anyway. I've seen boards that weren't stable at 210x10.5 run perfectly fine at 210x11 or even 215x11.
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Some nice advice indeed.

Ahh what it must be like to get to play with mutlipliers all day long. :p

You AMD junkies have got it made.....but then again, it's a hell of a lot more work to OC your little cpu's then it does to simply pump my FSB to 250 and watch the scores take a nice jump. :p ;)

JK, good luck. :cool:
 
Originally posted by Cybercat
Yeah, that's a good overclock. 2.4GHz is rare. My 1700+ can't get to those speeds. Hell, it's not even stable where it's at now (can't run one test in Prime95).
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2.4Ghz is rare? wow u make me feel a little better now ^.^

im running 12x200 as we speak...
yay for me, and 2270 is by no means "slow" bro...i would back off on the FSB and raise the multi and see what you get tho...

hrm, i wonder if a SLK-900 on this badboy would get me 2.5? hrmmmmm...;p :D
 
Originally posted by B1zz
2.4Ghz is rare? wow u make me feel a little better now ^.^
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Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily say it's rare.....just not as common. This is just because not everyone is into pushing their chips to the max, JUST to find out how far they'll go.

2.27GHz isn't bad either but 2.4GHz just sounds bigger, I know whatcha mean. ;)
 
Originally posted by Filter
prime 95 means nothing.
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It means a lot, actually.

It is one of the best tests to test your system stability.

What does it matter how fast your CPU is if it can't even perform PROPERLY?
 
Originally posted by Filter
prime 95 means nothing.
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i agree
i run everything for days on end
no BSOD's no nothing
but when i run prime
ya it fails
so prime is crap imo
 
Originally posted by [RIP]Zeus
i agree
i run everything for days on end
no BSOD's no nothing
but when i run prime
ya it fails
so prime is crap imo
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haha no your logic is ok up until the last line. prime isn't crap, it's just stressing your system in ways your everyday use doesn't. and in your case it finds your system isn't up to it :)
 
then plz tell me this
why has my machine not crashed? bsod or anything when i play games, do benchmarks, anything
my machine has been up for 20 days now
so plz tell me with the oc i have on my machine. why haven't i failed, crashed, or anything???
like i said prime is shit


edit: i have had this overclock on my machine for the past 7 months
 
Yeah, well. Read the prime documentation and you'll know why it's important.

I just hope you're not screwing up the results for anyone like Seti or F@H.

There's a reason Prime errors, and that reasons is that you have a hardware problem. Feel free to live in denial.
 
like he said up above i can run everythign fine game just fine run 3dmark01 and 03 just fine so when i run prime it fails.

so to me prime means nothing. and is overrated.
 
Originally posted by Filter
like he said up above i can run everythign fine game just fine run 3dmark01 and 03 just fine so when i run prime it fails.

so to me prime means nothing. and is overrated.
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i agree with you =]

hell i have a duron 750 as a server RUNNING STOCK
yes STOCK I SAY
that machine has not been turned off in over 10 months also i ran prime on it once and it failed
prime is over rated and is crap
oh i also do folding for hardocp. and ya............it DOESN'T FAIL!
 
Originally posted by [RIP]Zeus
oh i also do folding for hardocp. and ya............it DOESN'T FAIL!
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It wouldn't tell you if it failed because there are likely no known results for what you're folding.

Congrats, you're skewing the data.
 
I dunno about prime either. I can play games for hours on end, surf, etc. Everything that I have my pc for and no probs. Again, I run prime, and it fails. I guess if you wanna ensure that your system is "100%" stable then its good for that. But whats the purpose? If you are into watching your computer while it crunches prime numbers accurately then I guess its the ultimate program (not very exciting imho tho) Id personally prefer to get every last MHz out of my processor and every last FPS outta my video card so that I can frag your prime95 stable butt before you even see me hehe.
 
I don't agree with people that COMPLETELY gauge their overclocks and stability on Prime95 but it is still usefull. You'd have to agree that it's a pain in the ass to have the computer lock up one day at random or "finally" cave in due to a hefty OC.

I use Prime95 to HELP determine my oc off the start and go from there.

I do place a little more emphasis on Prime95 being "12 hour stable" then many people 'cus I have F@H running almost 24/7 and it's little things like insignificant math calculations that can be thrown off by an unstable OC.....things that you would never pick up normally.

I guess I come from the school of thought that I want my computer to be 110% stable in EVERY area.....not just in what I do most frequently. I can see that there're a lot of people here that will disagree with me on that one but there's also a great deal that WILL agree.

I can completely see where someone is coming from if they're happy having the comp stable in games (if that's what they do with their comp) and I'm not discreditting those people. I'm just saying that there're two completely different ways to look at system stability..........one is much more practicle..........while the other is far more [H]ard. :cool:
 
Originally posted by Grammar Nazi
I thought your thread title was asking us why we should overclock God
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HAHAHAH

As for Prime, it is key. One question, does a well tuned, stock computer fail Prime95? The answer is no. If you fail prime, your overclock is unstable and therefore in myself and many others book, an unsuccessful overclock. If I fail Prime, I lower my overclock. Simple as that.
 
Originally posted by pduan87
HAHAHAH

As for Prime, it is key. One question, does a well tuned, stock computer fail Prime95? The answer is no. If you fail prime, your overclock is unstable and therefore in myself and many others book, an unsuccessful overclock. If I fail Prime, I lower my overclock. Simple as that.
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so your telling me my oc is unstable when it has been running for 4 months straight?
no probs no bsod no nothing?
i run a XP2500 @ 2556 i get NO PROBLEMS WHAT SO EVER!
just cause prime won't run for 12 hours on end doesn't mean you have a failed oc
i do F@H i play games
i play MP3's i do some video editing i have not once had a memory dump or a bsod or anything sandra never has crashed i ran sandra 500 times for 2 days and not ONCE did it crash or lock up. prime is crap and my machine and everyone else's machine that is oced and fails prime is fine and a succsful overclock.
 
Originally posted by pduan87
HAHAHAH

As for Prime, it is key. One question, does a well tuned, stock computer fail Prime95? The answer is no. If you fail prime, your overclock is unstable and therefore in myself and many others book, an unsuccessful overclock. If I fail Prime, I lower my overclock. Simple as that.
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Bingo.

Also, [RIP]Zeus, the data you fold with F@H will, in all likeliness, NOT be correct.
 
I don't think people realize that Prime95 isn't written to test an overclocked machine to see if it will crash completely during gaming. I think people also don't realize that system stability can't be measured by how many times your machine freezes or how many BSODs you get.

Getting prime95 errors doesn't necessarily mean your system isn't stable enough for gaming, it just means that there's SOME degree of inconsistency somewhere in your system. You don't need a truly 100% stable system for gaming. If all you need is a system that runs games without crashing for a few hours, prime95 isn't the way to test for stability.
 
Originally posted by [RIP]Zeus
so your telling me my oc is unstable when it has been running for 4 months straight?
no probs no bsod no nothing?
i run a XP2500 @ 2556 i get NO PROBLEMS WHAT SO EVER!
just cause prime won't run for 12 hours on end doesn't mean you have a failed oc
i do F@H i play games
i play MP3's i do some video editing i have not once had a memory dump or a bsod or anything sandra never has crashed i ran sandra 500 times for 2 days and not ONCE did it crash or lock up. prime is crap and my machine and everyone else's machine that is oced and fails prime is fine and a succsful overclock.
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Which is why I never even bothered downloading prime..

You are now my idol.. I've been trying to push 2.5 with my rig, but my mobo is a POS and sucks at OCing.. If I had an Infinity you can bet your ass I'd be above 2.5.. I mean, I can boot at 2.5 but I lock up going in to paint (for screen shots)..

BTW: What are your 3dmark01 scores?
 
Originally posted by [RIP]Zeus
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i run a XP2500 @ 2556 i get NO PROBLEMS WHAT SO EVER!

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Except that it fails Prime95.

You might not care that your computer fails Prime95, but calling Prime95 "crap" just makes you look like an idiot.
 
Originally posted by Cardboard Hammer
Except that it fails Prime95.

You might not care that your computer fails Prime95, but calling Prime95 "crap" just makes you look like an idiot.
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let me get this straight, he is an idiot just because he doesn't agree with you? wow, talk about great logic, here let me try it out

your stupid because you trust Prime95....

hey, that logic is fun, thanks for the tip
 
Originally posted by Filter
prime 95 means nothing.
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LOL yeah right. It means your cpu isn't calculating like it should. Even though it is not noticable it still is not working correctly and will cause damage to your cpu.
 
Why's everyone that fails prime say that it is crap? What makes it crap exactly? The fact that it won't run properly? I'm just asking because there are not many comments along the lines of people failing prime but not caring, they nearly all call prime crap, again why is prime crap?

Could the people that fail prime encode a DVD, download a 600mb file from the internet and loop 3DMark03 for 8 hours without the download becoming corrupted, the DVD encode becoming pixelated or 3DMark crashing? I'm not saying that someone who's prime stable could do all this, although there's a much better chance IMO.
 
prime IS good, not only does it do stuff with your CPU that just leaving it on doesnt do, but it also FINDS THE WORLDS LARGEST PRIME NUMBER!!!!
 
Originally posted by kllrnohj
let me get this straight, he is an idiot just because he doesn't agree with you? wow, talk about great logic, here let me try it out

your stupid because you trust Prime95....

hey, that logic is fun, thanks for the tip
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No, he looks like an idiot for calling a piece of software "crap" that isn't. It performs calculations correctly, unlike his computer.

You, on the other hand, are stupid for not not knowing that "you're" is the contraction for "you are". :p
 
Originally posted by kllrnohj
your stupid because you trust Prime95....
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Yeah, who trusts math? it's not like it's an absolute science or anything... :rolleyes:

As mentioned above, it's "you're" by the way :p
 
Originally posted by cornelious0_0
Some nice advice indeed.

Ahh what it must be like to get to play with mutlipliers all day long. :p

You AMD junkies have got it made.....but then again, it's a hell of a lot more work to OC your little cpu's then it does to simply pump my FSB to 250 and watch the scores take a nice jump. :p ;)

JK, good luck. :cool:
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But thats most of the fun for me; Tinkering with our little CPUs. :) I am never content with an easy 900 Mhz overclock, but I am content once I have determined that I max out at 903Mhz. Overclocking and fine tuning is every bit as fun as the end result.

It is a bummer that many AMD chips are a bit more boring than before, but I understand it had to be done.
 
Originally posted by Cardboard Hammer
It performs calculations correctly, unlike his computer.
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There is an unneeded comma in the sentence.
Originally posted by angrybusdriver
it's not like it's an absolute science or anything... :rolleyes:
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A sentence never begins with a lowercase letter.

I thought I would put my to sense in since we have resorted to flaming typing errors. And yes I know to and sense are the improper spellings. :p

Bottom line, I give a rat's ass about crunching prime numbers, folding, and/or SETI. If that's your gig, then have at it. It's not mine or alot of other's either. Just don't call an OC "unsuccessful" because it doesn't fit your idea of "succesful. Your, or my, definition of a "successful" OC is subjective. So lay off.
 
Hey, is this a grammer or spelling class? Or an overclocking forum? I am starting to lose track.

and for all you who are debating yes/no prime95, i passed prime95 for about 2hrs, said this is gay, and closed it to play some games.....

the reason i think prime95 is crap, is because some people think that it IS the tester for stability, and if it isn't "prime95 stable" then your comp has probs - maybe so or maybe not, (ppl are so gonna flame me for that statement, but i don't care, go grow up)

if all you do is web surf, and want your comp to open them pics even faster, then you probably don't give a crap about prime, same with gaming and stuff

HERE is the end all stability tester, just use it for a long time, running what you normally do, if you don't get crashes, congrats, want to test it alitle harded, use the stress prog of your choosing (ie., games use looping 3dmark01, those who use their comps as a calculator run prime like theres no tomarrow)

EDIT: and whatever method you use, please, please, please, DON'T TELL OTHERS THAT THEIR COMPUTER ISN'T STABLE IF YOU HAVEN'T EVEN USED IT, that is just bull headed and ignorant thinking
 
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