What is base raping?

[FearTheCow]

Hey all, I am curious as to what everyone thinks base raping is. I just left a BC2 server because the admin was calling my squad morons and banning people because we were stealing the enemies vehicles and high tailing it out of their base. We were NOT killing people inside the base, just taking vehicles. Was this base rape? or is base rape only when you kill people inside their base and nothing else?

 

[thepirat]

That seems like normal playing the game to me... if DICE didn't want you to take enemy vehicles, then they would have made it so.

 

[Turd Furguson]

Base rape can be many terms. What you did is considering raping. Same tactic would be applied to sitting there at spawn points waiting for a regen to pop up and whack em before they can do anything.

 

[socK]

It's an excuse that bad admins use to keep people in their shitty server because the people playing there are terrible.

If my squad can stir up a big enough shitstorm at the opposing base that it's causing big problems then that sounds like a successful tactic to me. If it turns into a complete shutdown then just wait it out or not be terrible and sneak someone out so they can go recap the furthest point possible.

 

[CrimsonKnight13]

Seems the Admin was riding the waaaaambulance.

 

[Plague_Injected]

Some servers have strict rules about what you can and can't do in the enemy base, and if you are allowed in there at all. Make sure you check the server's rules and see what's up before going into the enemy uncap and getting yourself kicked.

 

[gjs278]

I hate how people try to put artificial limits on what you can do. if you can hold their damn base, you deserve whatever you can grab.

 

[socK]

I hate how people try to put artificial limits on what you can do. if you can hold their damn base, you deserve whatever you can grab.

Some things are not allowed by EA's rules and you can report a server for enforcing certain things.

 

[Spewn]

Some things are not allowed by EA's rules and you can report a server for enforcing certain things.

"No Base Raping" is not one of those things.

 

[Gmok Bonecrusha]

Base rape can be many terms. What you did is considering raping. Same tactic would be applied to sitting there at spawn points waiting for a regen to pop up and whack em before they can do anything.

Taking the vehicle is far from base raping. Crappy thing to do, but far from base raping. And it's part of the game.

Base raping...plain and simply is pinning them up in their base, and killing them before they can setup a decent defense to push forward.

Spawn killing... is just outright killing peeps before they can even react. Pretty gay as it gets.

 

[fochkoph]

Back in the day in 2142 base raping was when some people would constantly blind and impair your commander's assets and continue to remain there even after the job was done being totally obnoxious by placing RDX and motion mines all over the place. The term actually made sense considering someone was indeed "raping" their base. Now a day though, in BC2 the term kind of just came over and became loosely associated, for me, with people spawn camping. If you're going in, stealing vehicles (i.e. a helicopter) and getting out immediately, that isn't base rape. It's being annoying and conniving, but it's far from being "rape." The admin on that server sounds like a pussy and would recommend you stay away from that server if that one person is representative of the community.

 

[krakerman]

I don't mind people pounding a spawn from outside, not letting anyone out, etc - if you can't fight your way out you deserve to loose. However, I really hate when people steal the other team's vehicles. It just feels cheap to me, and can completely wreck balance in pub games.

Regardless though, as someone else said just read the server rules. Most are pretty clear about what they allow and don't allow.

 

[Highwind]

Base rape can be many terms. What you did is considering raping. Same tactic would be applied to sitting there at spawn points waiting for a regen to pop up and whack em before they can do anything.

Some servers have strict rules about what you can and can't do in the enemy base, and if you are allowed in there at all. Make sure you check the server's rules and see what's up before going into the enemy uncap and getting yourself kicked.

These. The term varies, but generally rules against it are there for a reason. There is no one unified definition that the ISO recognizes; it can be anything from sitting in their base and spawnkilling to shooting inside their base from a mile away to simply taking one step inside and doing nothing else. If we want to get technical, break down the word: "base" and "rape". We know what a base is. Rape is typically defined as entering an object into a location... not explicitly penis-in-vagina, although the term does by definition imply that it is not desired. Thus, walking into a base can be baserape, as you have just entered into that location unwantedly. People can argue and bitch around the bush all they want, but it boils down to that. From there, the server admin decides exactly how far = too far = baserape.

In response to the "I can do whatever I want" posts: no, you can't. You are joining a server that somebody is paying money for out of their pocket for people to have a good time. Game servers != "America fuck yeah freedom down with the man!" The person paying has every right to impose restrictions, and you have every right to click the disconnect button.

How many BC2 servers are there again on the PC platform alone? Thousands last I checked.

 

[JayteeBates]

Shooting into the enemy base is what I consider rape - unless they have no other spawn points. Then its acceptable to camp outside and wait on them. IMO.

 

[Zepher]

Some servers don't want opposing players going into the static bases, period.

 

[DisrupTer911]

Base raping is only pertientent on maps with flags. Mcomm maps equals base raping to win. Th mcomm is the defensive spawn point.

 

[SUPERGT]

Nothing beats some good espionage Though, an uncap really shouldn't be tampered with as it pretty much defeats the purpose of it being uncap-able. It's not just the poor performing teams that are stuck in them, the attacking (or raping) side is just as mediocre a team for *having* to do it in the first place - usually they need to rape in order to maintain a winning position. It's funny though as the typical response is "War is hell"; well this isn't war, its a video game made with balance and actual gameplay in mind.

At least when we get BF3, uncaps won't be so limited in their surrounding area so that it's players can actually escape.

 

[FearTheCow]

I guess I should mention that there were 4 members of that servers clan on the opposing team and there top 2 guys were using vehicles to work us over pretty good. So that's why we decided to take their toys away. Before this I never saw them kick/ban anyone for taking vehicles.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

Hey all, I am curious as to what everyone thinks base raping is. I just left a BC2 server because the admin was calling my squad morons and banning people because we were stealing the enemies vehicles and high tailing it out of their base. We were NOT killing people inside the base, just taking vehicles. Was this base rape? or is base rape only when you kill people inside their base and nothing else?

base raping is when you kill some one in base.. but its still a dick/bitch move to steal vehicles which is probably what the admins were complaining about.

I guess I should mention that there were 4 members of that servers clan on the opposing team and there top 2 guys were using vehicles to work us over pretty good. So that's why we decided to take their toys away. Before this I never saw them kick/ban anyone for taking vehicles.

if they were vehicle whoring its probably because its the only thing they are good at. so expect them to complain about it. its not even worth the effort stealing their crap if its the admins using them.

 

[piscian18]

I think if an enemy has any kind of control over your base the admin needs to start re-balancing teams.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

I think if an enemy has any kind of control over your base the admin needs to start re-balancing teams.

most of the time its not even about the teams needing to be balanced. its about the team needing to pull their heads out of their asses and play as a team. i've been in plenty of games that we were completely owning the other team and had all the flags.. we had a 200 ticket lead and finally the opposing team decided to actually play like a team and came back to win the game.

 

[fattypants]

I miss the old days when you could modify your own servers in FPS games. Admins could put up invisible walls, protective objects, different vehicles/weapons etc.

 

[phide]

I think if an enemy has any kind of control over your base the admin needs to start re-balancing teams.

Not necessarily. In Oasis, for instance, you can reach the enemy's base fairly easily and quickly by boat. Sit tight and have your squad mates spawn on you and now you have four guys in the uncap, ready to fuck shit up. Of course this provides an opportunity for the opposite team to cap points and gain an overall advantage.

It's really only an issue when there is nowhere for players to spawn but their own base. In Conquest, raping when that isn't the case is not only pointless but disadvantageous. Otherwise, yeah, there needs to be rebalancing.

 

[Thuleman]

My answer to base rape is aimbot.

 

[evanisthecoastie]

My view - Its not rape if they dont resist.

lol.

seriously though, bad teams that cant keep enemies away from important areas = "BASE RAPE BASE RAPE, XITER XITER, BAN BAN."

 

[Plague_Injected]

Bad teams will still have a handful of players who are decent and are trying quite hard to get objectives and to generally do well...they shouldn't be penalised because a bunch of scrub wannabe-snipers want to stay at the base and get an awesome one-kill-every-ten-minutes. "Bush-wookies" are usually the main reason a team will get spawn-trapped, at least from what I've seen and experienced (especially Conquest maps like Laguna Presa).

 

[firas]

Taking the vehicle is far from base raping. Crappy thing to do, but far from base raping. And it's part of the game.

Base raping...plain and simply is pinning them up in their base, and killing them before they can setup a decent defense to push forward.

Spawn killing... is just outright killing peeps before they can even react. Pretty gay as it gets.

This.
I do all this stuff but not a lot, it’s fun to steal a vehicle, plant a tracer on the attackers heli in Isla Inocentes and shoot it or even go up the hill and shoot a CG directly on it before it takes off, fly a heli behind the enemy base and spawnkill them, hide somewhere when your base is taken then knife a couple of enemies from behind. BUT I admit it, unbalanced servers are the biggest problem with this game and I don’t mind if a server had very restrict rules unless the admin used it only on the other team (which usually happens)

 

[Godmachine]

Base raping is basically extreme spawn camping and while its true that developers don't "intend" for that to be restricted it can quickly become an issue with just a hand full of players looking to boost there rank quickly and not actually enjoy the game.

Having 4 dudes about 20 feet from you with M16A's pointed at the exact point you spawn with no other spawn point up is not what anyone calls "fun". Having the enemy chopper hovering over your spawn points with his gunner ready to rain death on the only spawn point is not "fun". The easy way to avoid this is to have an active admin on the server shuffle teams around and balance out the stronger players so they aren't on the same team .. problem solved.

However some people restrict the shit out of base raping saying you can't be within "200 feet of the base" or some retarded shit like that. You should be able to get into the enemy base but any form of spawn camping directly should not be allowed as it ruins the basic mechanics of the game and not what developers have in mind.

 

[Disposed]

I call bullshit. Theres no way you where in the base just jacking their rides without killing them too. If you where not killing them how did you ever get out of the base?

Just saying to all those that just blindly jump in to defend go play BC2 and try stealing all the vehicles and getting away without killing anyone to do it. You where either playing against a blind team or you are full of it.

That said lame rules are lame but its their server and they pay for it. Dont like the rules GTFO.

 

[Plague_Injected]

I call bullshit. Theres no way you where in the base just jacking their rides without killing them too. If you where not killing them how did you ever get out of the base?

Just saying to all those that just blindly jump in to defend go play BC2 and try stealing all the vehicles and getting away without killing anyone to do it. You where either playing against a blind team or you are full of it.

That said lame rules are lame but its their server and they pay for it. Dont like the rules GTFO.

All of the action on a map like Atacama Bay or Heavy Metal occurs around the flags, so it's very easy to get in and out of an enemy uncap without encountering any opposition.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

I call bullshit. Theres no way you where in the base just jacking their rides without killing them too. If you where not killing them how did you ever get out of the base?

Just saying to all those that just blindly jump in to defend go play BC2 and try stealing all the vehicles and getting away without killing anyone to do it. You where either playing against a blind team or you are full of it.

That said lame rules are lame but its their server and they pay for it. Dont like the rules GTFO.

you can easily sneak into any base and steal any vehicle on any conquest map without killing a single person.. thats the problem with the spawns on all the maps. most people don't even notice it until the vehicle is leaving the spawn.

 

[Disposed]

All of the action on a map like Atacama Bay or Heavy Metal occurs around the flags, so it's very easy to get in and out of an enemy uncap without encountering any opposition.

A) If the team is jacking the vehicles from the base they either just gave up the game in which case why wold the admin give a shit or are slaughtering them and just fucking with them for shits and giggles.

B) All the action may occur around the flags but a good chunk of the team will always spawn at base for the vehicles.

C) If they are just fucking around at the enemy base and all the action is taking place at the flags whats destroying the vehicles so they are spawning at the base to begin with?

You come up with a scenario where what the OP described is possible without either giving up the game to do it or spawn raping.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

Base raping is not formally defined of course but generally speaking it means being inside of the enemy base causing some kind of trouble.

What you're doing isn't really the point, the point is that the teams are stacked, if you can get into the enemies base in the first place it indicates severe team unbalance which needs fixing by having the teams balanced.

 

[Plague_Injected]

A) If the team is jacking the vehicles from the base they either just gave up the game in which case why wold the admin give a shit or are slaughtering them and just fucking with them for shits and giggles.

B) All the action may occur around the flags but a good chunk of the team will always spawn at base for the vehicles.

C) If they are just fucking around at the enemy base and all the action is taking place at the flags whats destroying the vehicles so they are spawning at the base to begin with?

You come up with a scenario where what the OP described is possible without either giving up the game to do it or spawn raping.

Having two attack choppers on Atacama Conquest on the team is definitely worth two guys going off the grid for a glorious 60 seconds to get into the enemy's base and jack it.

 

[piscian18]

most of the time its not even about the teams needing to be balanced. its about the team needing to pull their heads out of their asses and play as a team. i've been in plenty of games that we were completely owning the other team and had all the flags.. we had a 200 ticket lead and finally the opposing team decided to actually play like a team and came back to win the game.

I agree, but in my experience you get a 15 man and having more than 5 chimps on it can bring the whole team down. I think if they aren't going to properly auto-balance teams its the admin job to keep the chimp to actually-trying player ratio within reason. then again I'm biased. In CSS it's an Admins job to kick and ban people who aren't going to take part.

Not necessarily. In Oasis, for instance, you can reach the enemy's base fairly easily and quickly by boat. Sit tight and have your squad mates spawn on you and now you have four guys in the uncap, ready to fuck shit up. Of course this provides an opportunity for the opposite team to cap points and gain an overall advantage.

It's really only an issue when there is nowhere for players to spawn but their own base. In Conquest, raping when that isn't the case is not only pointless but disadvantageous. Otherwise, yeah, there needs to be rebalancing.

Yeah. I don't mean sneak attacks. I get that and I'm ok with it. I mean literally camping on the enemies base which only really occurs when you're stuck on a team of special olympics winners and you have to constantly go back to spawn yourself and clean up the mess. I just leave if it happens more than a couple times.

 

[Plague_Injected]

DICE should have teams auto-arranged when the map changes like (dare I say it...) COD4. Perhaps squads could be kept and the squads could be randomly allocated to US or RU so that squadmates aren't separated from being allocated to the opposing team. It would help balance the teams without direct admin intervention.

 

[DeathPrincess]

Am I the only one that swaps teams if the opponents are being hopeless? Killing a legion of no hopers isn't really fun. Swap teams and face an uphill struggle is more of a challenge and enjoyable, the worse a team is the more of a challenge it becomes. So usually prefer playing on crappy teams, because it means you a) don't learn to rely on other people and have to survive one your own merits b) have stuff to do c) defeating a bunch of people that can't aim at you standing 2m infront doesn't really give any satisfation. Winning is meaningless when there was no effort involved, and totally unsatisfiying.

 

[Plague_Injected]

Am I the only one that swaps teams if the opponents are being hopeless? Killing a legion of no hopers isn't really fun. Swap teams and face an uphill struggle is more of a challenge and enjoyable, the worse a team is the more of a challenge it becomes. So usually prefer playing on crappy teams, because it means you a) don't learn to rely on other people and have to survive one your own merits b) have stuff to do c) defeating a bunch of people that can't aim at you standing 2m infront doesn't really give any satisfation. Winning is meaningless when there was no effort involved, and totally unsatisfiying.

I've done it a few times. Once the team gets pushed into their spawn a few of them will leave the game and autobalance would kick in soon after, so sometimes I just switch of my own accord.

Generally I find the teams either evenly matched, or I'm on the crap team to begin with.

 

[firas]

Am I the only one that swaps teams if the opponents are being hopeless? Killing a legion of no hopers isn't really fun. Swap teams and face an uphill struggle is more of a challenge and enjoyable, the worse a team is the more of a challenge it becomes. So usually prefer playing on crappy teams, because it means you a) don't learn to rely on other people and have to survive one your own merits b) have stuff to do c) defeating a bunch of people that can't aim at you standing 2m infront doesn't really give any satisfation. Winning is meaningless when there was no effort involved, and totally unsatisfiying.

are you serious?
as far as I noticed, usually if you’re with a week attacking team this will mean any time you open the map you’ll notice some are idle (away or trying to switch), rest are camping or sniping. so if you try to attack 5 enemies will be shooting at you. what’s fun about that?!
a server with skilled players in both teams is more fun, here is a server I usually play in (lucky round, I sometimes end up with 2/15 k/d ), very intense and they usually scramble teams when they are unbalanced. sometimes it’ll have more than 20 lvl50 players at the same time..

 

[MrGuvernment]

It's an excuse that bad admins use to keep people in their shitty server because the people playing there are terrible.

If my squad can stir up a big enough shitstorm at the opposing base that it's causing big problems then that sounds like a successful tactic to me. If it turns into a complete shutdown then just wait it out or not be terrible and sneak someone out so they can go recap the furthest point possible.

Bingo, i hate servers and people who whine about base raping.

you have some people who are across the map, around your spawn, if you are too slow or stupid that your entire team, cant kill, usually, 2-3 people, you deserve to get base raped.

Instead of crying about it, kill them, what does it matter if you kill them in the middle of the map or in your spawn?

when your off at some point in the map do you cry when 2-3 guys kill you can they all came to the same point knowing you were there...

Some things are not allowed by EA's rules and you can report a server for enforcing certain things.

Such as? love to see this list....

Taking the vehicle is far from base raping. Crappy thing to do, but far from base raping. And it's part of the game.

Base raping...plain and simply is pinning them up in their base, and killing them before they can setup a decent defense to push forward.

Spawn killing... is just outright killing peeps before they can even react. Pretty gay as it gets.

How is it gay, even react, they are in a game, they know people are trying to kill them, they likely were just killed, again if most of a team cant get together, as one said below, pull their head out of their asses and actually play as a team, you deserve to die.

Back in the day in 2142 base raping was when some people would constantly blind and impair your commander's assets and continue to remain there even after the job was done being totally obnoxious by placing RDX and motion mines all over the place. The term actually made sense considering someone was indeed "raping" their base. Now a day though, in BC2 the term kind of just came over and became loosely associated, for me, with people spawn camping. If you're going in, stealing vehicles (i.e. a helicopter) and getting out immediately, that isn't base rape. It's being annoying and conniving, but it's far from being "rape." The admin on that server sounds like a pussy and would recommend you stay away from that server if that one person is representative of the community.

I would see it as annoying against my own team for not spawning in those points and taking said vehicles, more of then not i see tanks sitting in the home spawn and no one gets them, if someone can get into a spawn point and take a vehicle, people need to pay attention better and not let people into your spawn.

I don't mind people pounding a spawn from outside, not letting anyone out, etc - if you can't fight your way out you deserve to loose. However, I really hate when people steal the other team's vehicles. It just feels cheap to me, and can completely wreck balance in pub games.

Regardless though, as someone else said just read the server rules. Most are pretty clear about what they allow and don't allow.

Again, if a team is good enough, your never going to get close enough to take someone's vehicles or wont get into a vehicle, problem is people dont watch their stuff, or don't tell the team when they see someone running into their spawn, i hate how most BC2 servers don't communicate at all with each other.

most of the time its not even about the teams needing to be balanced. its about the team needing to pull their heads out of their asses and play as a team. i've been in plenty of games that we were completely owning the other team and had all the flags.. we had a 200 ticket lead and finally the opposing team decided to actually play like a team and came back to win the game.

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