What is base raping?

[mrgstiffler]

If one team is capable of getting into the other team's base and holding it or stealing their vehicles then good for them. That's the point of the game... To win.

 

[phide]

If one team is capable of getting into the other team's base and holding it or stealing their vehicles then good for them. That's the point of the game... To win.

If you distill the goal of playing into something so fundamentally simple as "win the game", then you could justify doing pretty much anything in order to satisfy that goal, including exploiting and hacking. After all, those are means you can use to win the game, and winning is the point, right?

You don't play the game solely to win. That is not the singular purpose behind you playing the game, which is why you (probably) don't use wallhacks, aimbots and otherwise exploit to gain an advantage over other players.

 

[mrgstiffler]

If you distill the goal of playing into something so fundamentally simple as "win the game", then you could justify doing pretty much anything in order to satisfy that goal, including exploiting and hacking. After all, those are means you can use to win the game, and winning is the point, right?

You don't play the game solely to win. That is not the singular purpose behind you playing the game, which is why you (probably) don't use wallhacks, aimbots and otherwise exploit to gain an advantage over other players.

Because there's a difference between cheating and being good... If you didn't care who won, then there wouldn't be a scoreboard or a winner.

 

[Deleted member 12930]

The goal is to kill as many virtual people as you can. What's behind those virtual people are real people. Real people who're looking to have an enjoyable experience playing the game. If you can take certain steps to ensure that it's possible for them to be able to do that — if you can be sympathetic to that to some degree — that's what I'm going to do. I'm not going to let people frag me, but I'm not going to go to extreme lengths to ensure that the team I'm playing on scores for a measly 200 points at the end of the round by base raping. While there may be a few players who don't care, for the majority of players, their experience will be severely impacted by being constantly raped.

Me being sympathetic to the person behind the avatar, means I will enjoy the game less. I'm not talking about spawn killing, camping, or going to other "extreme" methods to win. I'm talking about just playing the game to have fun and to win the round.

I'm going to sit at the last cap closest to their base and wait, yeah. When I see an enemy, I'll shoot. I'm not going to sneak around behind their base and pick them off immediately after they spawn. If it's gotten to the point where that's feasible, it's a pretty good bet our team's cinched the round anyway. Giving the opposite team the slightest bit of opportunity isn't going to change that much. That's just how I show respect to the other players by acknowleding that they're playing to have fun, the same as me, and that I'm not going to go out of my way to hamper that just to get my ratio up, especially in a game like BC2 where ratio really isn't what gets you to the top of the scoreboard.

To me that sounds like spawn killing/camping, not base raping. Also, why can't I "sneak" around their base? So long as I'm not picking off spawners, why shouldn't I play that way? Is base raping really about getting the k/d ratio up? To me it sounds like it's just keeping the enemy pinned down and unable to take other points of the map. Which is the objective of the game anyways! Sure it's just a REALLY annoying way to play.

I don't necessarily disagree. If it would be extraordinarily difficult for them to secure them, though (which isn't typical), I won't bother. Depending on the map, however, it's sometimes too dangerous or simply takes too long to take a vehicle to make worthwhile, so more often than not it's a tactical decision not to go after them.

By secure, I really mean just use. If they're going to leave a tank sitting around unused, I'm going to do one of two things, steal it, or destroy/damage it.

If you distill the goal of playing into something so fundamentally simple as "win the game", then you could justify doing pretty much anything in order to satisfy that goal, including exploiting and hacking. After all, those are means you can use to win the game, and winning is the point, right?

You don't play the game solely to win. That is not the singular purpose behind you playing the game, which is why you (probably) don't use wallhacks, aimbots and otherwise exploit to gain an advantage over other players.

I think you're taking the statement too far. Why not say "win within the rules of the game". And no I'm not really referring to the specific servers rules, but the game rules.

And for many, MANY people, they play games with (almost) the sole purpose to win. Some people are incredibly competitive. I have a few friends that will play games they hate but are incredibly good at, just so they can win.

 

[eon]

This is the sort of elitist bullshit that really puts me off multiplayer games.

No one deliberately lets anything happen like that, it's a team effort to push back usually and the simple fact is that teams are comprised of many different players who all differ in skill. base raping is almost always happening when one team has much better players than the other, saying that essentially one team should be better is NOT a solution to the problem because people don't spontaneously get better at a game.

The biggest whiners that I come across aren't actually the newbs who get rolled, but in BC2 where the stacked team push the newbs back and end up getting killed by spawn protection and then whining that newbs wont come out of spawn.

How about evening the teams for once and having a fair match, if you think it's possible for novice players to simply spontaneously get better and put up a better fight then you're a retard, and should have your head checked.

did I say anything about noob players magically getting better? I just said if you cant get rid of enemies inside your main base dont go crying and make up some silly Mickey Mouse rules about players not being able to attack the backline base. And base raping is not equivalent to team stacking... you can flank inside the enemy base without having their entire team pinned in. Hell you can flank inside while your team is losing. In battlefield games I do it as a valid strategy to disrupt commander assets and the opponents ability to bring an endless stream of armored vehicles to the front-lines. I actually despise team stacking and never intentionally try to join the better team.

 

[eon]

If you distill the goal of playing into something so fundamentally simple as "win the game", then you could justify doing pretty much anything in order to satisfy that goal, including exploiting and hacking. After all, those are means you can use to win the game, and winning is the point, right?

You don't play the game solely to win. That is not the singular purpose behind you playing the game, which is why you (probably) don't use wallhacks, aimbots and otherwise exploit to gain an advantage over other players.

blatant straw man argument. Attacking a main base no way compares to cheats and exploits.

 

[Tudz]

It does depend on the context in which you steal the vehicles. If its a close match and you manage to sneak around and ninja an enemy tank that's one thing, and I dont think a bad thing. If its a landslide and you can just walk into their base and steal their vehicles because none of them can stay alive long enough to get into the vehicles themselves or they are too busy running for cover, that's not a good thing IMO.

People make references to winning being the objective and all, but my contention is that in public servers the main objective is that everyone has fun. If you're playing some competitive clan match, then sure, if the other team isn't good enough base rape the fuck out of them and squash them into oblivion. But if we want to use a sports analogy, those sorts of matches are more like an organised competitive match where as your average public server is more like a few guys kicking a ball around a park, where you might still be trying to beat the other people yet at the same time the main goal is to have fun and no one likes the douche who takes it too seriously so no one else can have fun without being extremely competitive as well.

 

[phide]

Because there's a difference between cheating and being good...

But the distinction is inconsequential to the singular goal of winning the game.

Me being sympathetic to the person behind the avatar, means I will enjoy the game less. I'm not talking about spawn killing, camping, or going to other "extreme" methods to win.

Those are all aspects of base raping unless you define the term very narrowly to exclude them.

Also, why can't I "sneak" around their base? So long as I'm not picking off spawners, why shouldn't I play that way?

If you're just walking around their base doing nothing of consequence, then you aren't really base raping. You're just...well, I don't know what you're doing.

I have a few friends that will play games they hate but are incredibly good at, just so they can win.

That sounds completely normal, rational and sane.

 

[jiminator]

you ever wonder why there are so many griefers and cheaters in online games? Because "the point of the game is to win". That might be the point if you are a paid professional. I always thought the point was to have fun, and not only that, but to present yourself a challenge and hopefully to ensure the other team has fun. pubstomps are not fun for either side. if it makes your penis bigger than w/e. personally i'd leave and find a more balanced game.

 

[Deleted member 12930]

But the distinction is inconsequential to the singular goal of winning the game.

actually there is a pretty big difference, one will get you banned, the other wont.

If you're just walking around their base doing nothing of consequence, then you aren't really base raping. You're just...well, I don't know what you're doing.

so according to you, if i do ANYTHING in their base, I'm base raping? Seriously?

 

[Tudz]

so according to you, if i do ANYTHING in their base, I'm base raping? Seriously?

That's not what he said at all, he said the opposite.

"If you're just walking around their base doing nothing of consequence, then you AREN'T really base raping."

 

[Deleted member 12930]

That's not what he said at all, he said the opposite.

"If you're just walking around their base doing nothing of consequence, then you AREN'T really base raping."

I know how to read. You're reading my statement incorrectly as well (I didn't meant to leave that statement so ambiguous). I meant, if I do anything OTHER then walk around. As in, if I do ANYTHING in the base, I'm raping it? As in, if I do anything other then NOTHING, I'm base raping?

Follow?

 

[Tudz]

I know how to read. You're reading my statement incorrectly as well (I didn't meant to leave that statement so ambiguous). I meant, if I do anything OTHER then walk around. As in, if I do ANYTHING in the base, I'm raping it? As in, if I do anything other then NOTHING, I'm base raping?

Follow?

Oh, I thought by "anything" you meant "anything" which would include walking around not doing much, but I guess you meant "anything of significance".

I really think it just has to be put into the context of the game. Getting into their base and stealing their vehicles during a competitive match = good move, getting into their base and stealing their vehicles when you're already dominating them in a public server = douchebag move.

 

[Deleted member 214115]

Base raping is nothing more than ignorant and incapable players causing issues with the game which actually induce this behavior. If people actually knew how to properly play then there would not be any remarks such as stacking and base raping from anyone.

Time and time again I have to play with people that do not understand that tactical games require teamwork, or work on synergistic principles. If this is missing then it can be practically impossible to have any enjoyment, and will always have a lacking feeling because of the disconnection that the incapable team creates.

Base raping should not only be allowed because of this very understanding, but anyone who modifies a server should understand that they only will the game into their subjective liking. Making such rules like no CG against infantry. How completely, asinine is that? If an opponent is a target, any anti-personal implement in the game is allowed. If they do not want to be a target of a CG rocket then they need to learn how to not be.

Base raping is one of the ultimate penalties of an incapable team, and does not need to monitored or a server modified to prevent this. The team needs to prevents this only. This must be understood by the gaming community, or it will only get worse.

 

[eon]

Oh, I thought by "anything" you meant "anything" which would include walking around not doing much, but I guess you meant "anything of significance".

I really think it just has to be put into the context of the game. Getting into their base and stealing their vehicles during a competitive match = good move, getting into their base and stealing their vehicles when you're already dominating them in a public server = douchebag move.

When I'm on the wrong end of a one sided game I dont cry about a team dominating mine too much nor do I expect them let off some to give us a chance. And if my team is dominating the other I'm sure as hell am not going to take it easy on them. If they are ridiculously bad I might start fooling around like trying to knife them or something. Its an online shooting game FFS... if you cant handle a couple of games getting crushed then maybe its not for you.

 

[rampantandroid]

If one team is capable of getting into the other team's base and holding it or stealing their vehicles then good for them. That's the point of the game... To win.

No, the point is to have fun. Servers put these rules there to make it fun for BOTH sides. When you have to WALK out of your base for lack of a vehicle, that just makes it harder for you to make a comeback. In 2142 days, it was OK to go in to RDX shit. Now...well, stay out. Go play with the cap points, or OUTSIDE the uncap.

Likewise, don't camp in your own uncap.

 

[MrGuvernment]

If you distill the goal of playing into something so fundamentally simple as "win the game", then you could justify doing pretty much anything in order to satisfy that goal, including exploiting and hacking. After all, those are means you can use to win the game, and winning is the point, right?

You don't play the game solely to win. That is not the singular purpose behind you playing the game, which is why you (probably) don't use wallhacks, aimbots and otherwise exploit to gain an advantage over other players.

cheating and hacking is having an unfair and not common advantage

base raping is simply being better then someone with your own skill, it is not the same thing at all.

 

[phide]

blatant straw man argument. Attacking a main base no way compares to cheats and exploits.

It probably is a straw man argument. The point, though, is that the main reason people don't tend to cheat is because it conflicts with the other goal of playing online games: to have fun.

actually there is a pretty big difference, one will get you banned, the other wont.

I never said there was no difference.

so according to you, if i do ANYTHING in their base, I'm base raping? Seriously?

There are few things that you could do in the enemy team's base that would not qualify as "base raping" in my opinion. I already pointed out that jacking an opposing team's base vehicles I have no quarrel with unless there are certain criteria that have been met.

Perhaps it might be helpful if you describe what you'd be doing in an enemy's base and I'll tell you if I think those things classify as "base raping".

It does depend on the context in which you steal the vehicles. If its a close match and you manage to sneak around and ninja an enemy tank that's one thing, and I dont think a bad thing. If its a landslide and you can just walk into their base and steal their vehicles because none of them can stay alive long enough to get into the vehicles themselves or they are too busy running for cover, that's not a good thing IMO.

Totally agree. One is performed to gain an advantage in an otherwise reasonably balanced game — to upset the balance and to gain a competitive advantage. The other is performed to prevent the opposing team from gaining any possible opportunity over an already completely unbalanced game. To me, the former is completely reasonable. The latter, however, is terribly dickish.

 

[phide]

base raping is simply being better then someone with your own skill, it is not the same thing at all.

I never said it was the same thing.

 

[Deleted member 12930]

It probably is a straw man argument. The point, though, is that the main reason people don't tend to cheat is because it conflicts with the other goal of playing online games: to have fun.

Or because it's a hassle and can get your banned/account disabled?

I never said there was no difference.

You said the difference was inconsequential. I'm saying there is a big consequence between the two. Splitting hairs I guess.

There are few things that you could do in the enemy team's base that would not qualify as "base raping" in my opinion. I already pointed out that jacking an opposing team's base vehicles I have no quarrel with unless there are certain criteria that have been met.

Perhaps it might be helpful if you describe what you'd be doing in an enemy's base and I'll tell you if I think those things classify as "base raping".

Killing people, taking/destroying their vehicles and otherwise causing havoc. Seriously, what did you think I was going to say? Have a fucking tea party???

 

[mrgstiffler]

No, the point is to have fun. Servers put these rules there to make it fun for BOTH sides. When you have to WALK out of your base for lack of a vehicle, that just makes it harder for you to make a comeback. In 2142 days, it was OK to go in to RDX shit. Now...well, stay out. Go play with the cap points, or OUTSIDE the uncap.

Likewise, don't camp in your own uncap.

Winning is fun...

The point of competition is not to make it easier for the other team.

 

[TwistedAegis]

I know the ultimate point is to have fun, but what is the goal of the game? To win. So sure, I may enjoy a losing battle. But that doesn't mean I won't do my utmost to win.

Easing off a team and giving them an artificial advantage isn't fun, either. Just rape them, hopefully scare the newbs off and by next map the teams will be rebalanced.

 

[MrGuvernment]

No, the point is to have fun. Servers put these rules there to make it fun for BOTH sides. When you have to WALK out of your base for lack of a vehicle, that just makes it harder for you to make a comeback. In 2142 days, it was OK to go in to RDX shit. Now...well, stay out. Go play with the cap points, or OUTSIDE the uncap.

Likewise, don't camp in your own uncap.

More often than not i walk out of my own base, to see no vehicles, cause joe n00b drove off in a hummer with no one else in it.